Anti-Islam constitutional Amendment

It seems that the most controversial thing I said recently was that we need a constitutional Amendment to allow Congress to restrict the practice of Islam. So let me explain my reasoning in greater detail.

First of all, Islam is a false religion. Anyone who is Christian, Jewish, atheist, or anything else other than Muslim can agree that Islam is not the truth, and the Koran is not the word of a divine being but rather something that Mohamed made up himself (or maybe he had some help).

Too many people irrationally believe that all religions are good and all religions endorse peace. This is ridiculous. As a philosophy created by human beings, a religion can be just as evil as any other philosophy, such as Nazism, Pol Pot-ism, etc. Islam is right up there with the world’s most evil philosophies.

Defenders of Islam will predictably say “most Muslims don’t think like that.” First of all, I am really not sure exactly what most Muslims think. Secondly, “most” is hardly a very all-inclusive word. As Muslims become more religious, they become more dangerous (unlike the really religious Catholics who become nuns or monks, or the really religious Jews who become Hasidic). If even just 1% of Muslims turn bad, then for every million Muslims there are 10,000 potential terrorists.

This idea will probably have the most negative reaction from liberals, but liberals are being hypocritical here. Liberals have supported laws against hate speech. Islam is like hate speech, but worse because it’s organized hate speech.

Other Western nations have begun to take steps to reign in Islam. In France, Muslims are banned from wearing headscarves in schools and other public establishments. I think this is too little too late for France where the Muslim population is soaring. But even this small sensible step taken by the French would be forbidden by the U.S. Constitution. This is why we need a constitutional Amendment.

Comments

[Scott S]

"First of all, Islam is a false religion. Anyone who is Christian, Jewish, atheist, or anything else other than Muslim can agree that Islam is not the truth, and the Koran is not the word of a divine being but rather something that Mohamed made up himself (or maybe he had some help)."

Seriously, did Half-Sigma go on vacation and his slow younger brother hacked into his account?

ALL religions are false, in that they are made up by someone (or over time by groups of people). Don't think so? Prove me wrong...good, now that we got that out of the way, these leaps of logic from the fact that some Muslim fanatics blow themselves and Americans (and other Muslims!) up to "Islam is like uh, Hitler dude" is not even something that should be dignified with a response. Come on, end the suspense - please tell us you're kidding.

[probligo]

"First of all, Islam is a false religion. Anyone who is Christian, Jewish, atheist, or anything else other than Muslim can agree that Islam is not the truth, and the Koran is not the word of a divine being but rather something that Mohamed made up himself (or maybe he had some help). "

First, one of the precepts of Muslim is, I believe, that the Qu'ran can only be written in the traditional Sanskrit. Why? Because that is "The Word of God" as recorded by Mohammet.

Without going to the same extent as Scott S, you should include Mormonism in your list of excluded religions at the same time.

Think too that Bhuddism is going to give you a considerable problem - they do not actually have a "god" as such as I understand it. While Bhudda might have attained "god-like status" he was in fact a Prince - and human.

Hinduism - At least one of the "books" of Hinduism is based upon a conversation between god and human in the mnidst of a battlefield. Going to tell them that their religion is banned in the US?

So if you follow your hate to its logical conclusion you are going to make a very large numbers of enemies.

One thing that occurs to me here, how would you consider the more extreme "Christian sects". I am thinking here of Jones, of Branch Davidians, of the "snake worshippers" in the southern states (or are they an urban myth?)...

"As Muslims become more religious, they become more dangerous (unlike the really religious Catholics who become nuns or monks, or the really religious Jews who become Hasidic)."

Yeah, I can agree with that to a point - like the IRA terrorists who attend Mass every Sunday, or like the "Butcher of Qibya" who is probably a regular attendee at his religious observances in addition to being Prime Minister of Israel, or the Christians at the time of the Crusades or the Inquisition who religiously attended Mass every Sunday.

But you might like to express that opinion to the gentleman who worked for the same firm as my wife. If he had been Catholic, he would be described as "good" and "devout". The fact is that he is Muslim. The fact is he is a very devout Muslim. The fact is that I consider it an honour to have met him and shared bread with him.

Sir, in the past I have had some respect for your opinion. I say that despite the fact that I may disagree with you on much of what you say.

This by contrast goes too far. It smacks of xenophobia at its worst. It shows a level of fear and hysteria that I can only pity. It shows, as someone has said recently, that the terrorists (not Islam or Muslim) have won at least one small victory.

[Kunal]

Probligo, the Koran isn't written in Sanskrit, its written in Arabic. Sanskrit is holy to Hindus. And I don't think you are forbidden to translate the Koran.

[Michael A. Clem]

"false religion"? "Islam is not truth"? I'd be curious to know how one defines a false religion, and what you think of Buddhism, Hinduism, Taoism, and all those other funky religions. The Koran isn't the word of the divine but is written by a mere man? And how is this different from the Christian Bible?
As I said in the other thread, we must be primarily concerned with people's actions, or risk becoming controlled by authoritarian thought police. How many people are "anarchists" by definition, but would never bring themselves to actually bomb a government building? Are a few violent individuals enough to discredit a philosophy, even if the majority of its adherents are not violent? In that case, why make an exception for Christianity?

[probligo]

Kunal, I stand properly corrected.

However, this may be of interest as well...

"The Koran, as God's literal word, can only be comprehended in the majestic and glorious Arabic language in which it was revealed. The necessity of reading the Koran in Arabic has meant that all believers should learn the language in order to understand the scriptures. This requirement has created a linguistic bond among believers, particularly as Islam spread beyond the boundaries of Arabia to regions inhabited by speakers of other languages. Having learned to use Arabic as the language of religion, the new converts also used it as a language of literature, science, commerce and social intercourse.

The primacy of Arabic as the language of God's revelation has also helped to preserve the purity of the Arabic language, for Muslims constantly call to mind the noble and magnificent words and phrases of the Koran. Although the Arabic language has evolved over the fourteen centuries since the Koran was revealed, it has not changed as much as English has changed in the six centuries since the time of Chaucer. Finally, the primacy of the Arabic language has encouraged the spread and use of the Arabic script, which is known and used from the shores of the Atlantic to the Pacific to render a variety of languages, including Arabic, Persian, Kurdish, Pashto, Kashmiri, Urdu, Sindhi, Ottoman Turkish, Chaghatay, and Malay."

http://www.pbs.org/empires/islam/faithkoran.html

[Half Sigma]

I think that some of the commenters here have not bothered to read my post. I never said which religion, if any, is the true religion, only that Islam is a false religion and not divine truth. Anyone who's not Muslim has to agree with this. Because Islam is false, I don't see the big deal if it's banned. It's not like we'd be supressing the truth.

Of course the freedom of religion is a great and wonderful theory, but when one particular religion demonstrates over and over again that it can't coexist peacefully with other religions, then it simply doesn't deserve the same respect as other religions.

[Michael A. Clem]

"Islam is a false religion and not divine truth. Anyone who's not Muslim has to agree with this."
How did you determine that Islam is a false religion? Would anyone who's not Christian have to agree that Christianity is a false religion? Would anyone who's not Hindu have to agree that Hinduism is a false religion? I'm sorry, but this is not a good criterion for judging the "truth" of a religion.
If Scott S. is right in saying that all religions are false, and I think he is, then why shouldn't we just ban all religions? After all, it's not like we'd be suppressing the truth, would we? But who determines what is truth and what is not?

[Luke Lea]

Reluctantly, I am with half-sigma on this. When I told my poker group that Mohammad murdered his opponents, reneged on treaties, lived on robbery, etc., someone piped up that Moses did as much according to the Old Testament. That may be, I replied, but the difference is that for Mohammad the whole world is the promised land -- and we are the Cananites! There is no substitute for reading any good biography of Mohammad, with special attention to the second half of his career.

[probligo]

HalfSigma,

You miss my point.

All of the examples I gave - Mormon, Bhuddism, perhaps Hinduism - are based upon the writing of MEN, perhaps divinely inspired but men nonetheless.

Using your measure, they are all false religions.

I can not for the life of me work out why, but that is what you said...

[Wicked]

"One mans religion is another mans belly laugh". Lazurus Long.

This isn't about religion its about culture war. Islam is intent on destroying western culture. For this reason alone it must be destroyed. Tolerance of the intolerent who would destroy you is the most dangerous of the left wing follies of today.

I am dead serious. It's time for the war to start.

[anti islam frontier]

mohammed was a rascal and bastard who made the religion islam.islam is a very big threat to the world and it should be wiped out from the world religions.

KILL ALL MUSLIMS

[Matryem]

What's the answer, when almost every radical muslim delares openly that it the duty of all muslims to fight for and ensure an Islamic state throughout the western world? Whether through breeding or by gun. Some of you argue that no religion is true, this is your choice. But as one of Christian doctrine, I accept the Holy Trinity, I accept Jesus Christ as the truth and the way to salvation. Islam is an evil cancer that needs to, and shall be removed from this world for once and for all.

[Muslim]

Martyr, Thanks for calling me a cancer. I just want to live peacefully and hold my belief without being persecuted for it. Statistically I cannot be the only one. That is a cruelty some people are wishing on me, who doesn't want harm to fall on ANYONE. So I am evil? I have as much right to be here as anyone. Wasn't one of the reasons people came here to the US in the first place: trying to get away from religious persecution? I cannot help what others do.

[Zunaid]

With referrence to all the hate comments I have read on this issue. I do not make a distinction between those that say "Let the war start now" and "Kill all Muslims" and the 9/11 hijackers. Except for the fact that they belong to different religions they seem to have the same intolerant attitudes. I say "live and let live" and may their be peace for all. It does'nt matter what i believe.