I predict that the reason a Republican will be the next president is because the Democrats will nominate Hillary Clinton. Being the divisive figure that she is, she will surely turn out the vote for the opposition better than anyone else.
I also suspect that Hillary has some skeletons in her closet that key Republican operatives are saving for late in the election. What might these skeletons be?
(1) Lesbian lovers. There are so many rumors of Hillary's lesbianism that there has to be some truth in there. Yet the funny thing about these kinds of rumors is how good people are at ignoring them until the ugly truth is really shoved in their face. No one believed that Bill Clinton was fooling around until the semen from Monica's dress was DNA tested.
When Hillary's lesbian lovers actually come out and speak to the public, that could torpedo her chances of winning the general election. The public isn't ready for a lesbian President.
(2) Atheism. Hillary is supposedly a "devout Methodist," but I don't buy it. Maybe Hillary made some atheist statments back when she was in college, and witnesses will suddenly appear to testify to Hillary's atheism. The public, unfortunately, isn't ready for an atheist president, although I personally think it's a plus factor.
(3) Abortion. There is also a rumor that Hillary had an abortion. If Hillary got pregnant and didn't want a baby, she would have had an abortion, so this is certainly a possibility. Despite the fact that many voters are "pro-choice," I don't think the public is ready to elect a woman who has had an abortion.
The lesbian story is a near certainty, the other two are just guesses on my part. Why hasn't this come out in the open yet? Because attacking Hillary when she was just the wife of the person running for office would have been a scummy thing to do and would have backfired. And during Clinton's Senatorial campaigns, maybe the people in possession of the dirt figured it was better to save it in case she might be nominated for President. Furthermore, lesbian lovers probably wouldn't have mattered because the people of liberal New York would accept a lesbian Senator. But will the people of the United States accept a lesbian President? I think not.
I can't believe you're buying into the lesbian nonsense. That gets around simply because she's a powerful, feminist woman and people with small minds can't understand that someone like that can be a heterosexual. It's obvious from pictures and video that she was completely infatuated with Bill. For other examples of powerful women being accused of lesbianism, see Oprah and Martha Stewart.
In terms of skeletons, if any remained, do you really think they wouldn't have come out by now? People have hated her for decades now and if she had atheist statements or an abortion, it would have come out during Bill's tenure.
Posted by: JewishAtheist | January 29, 2007 at 10:34 AM
The lesbian accusations have come out, they are simply ignored just like Bill's accusations of infidelity, until the semen was analyzed.
Like I wrote, there was no point in accusing the First Lady of lesbianism when everyone was too busy trying to accuse Bill Clinton of infidelity.
And it's not like Hillary was the first bisexual member of Congress, so that didn't matter much either.
This will come out after she wins the nomination.
Posted by: Half Sigma | January 29, 2007 at 10:39 AM
There's also the Vince Foster affair. Yes, he almost certainly shot himself, but if there's even a scintilla of doubt concerning Hillary's involvement the case ought to get a full public discussion.
Posted by: Peter | January 29, 2007 at 10:42 AM
Half Sigma:
I'm pretty sure everyone knew that Bill was a serial adulterer. I've seen nothing on Hillary's alleged lesbianism beyond, "Well, look at her!"
Posted by: JewishAtheist | January 29, 2007 at 10:47 AM
Dick Morris, who used to be Bill Clinton's close friend, implied she was a lesbian and that the First Couple never had sex.
Posted by: Half Sigma | January 29, 2007 at 10:51 AM
Oh, the first couple had lots of sex, just never with each other. But with the same other woman...
Posted by: GMR | January 29, 2007 at 10:58 AM
A relative of mine was in the Secret Service during the elder Bush and Clinton years. He stated that Bill and Hillary did not share a room together. Make of it what you will.
Posted by: mike | January 29, 2007 at 11:43 AM
So what odds are you offering?
Posted by: The Engineer | January 29, 2007 at 11:48 AM
A relative of mine was in the Secret Service during the elder Bush and Clinton years. He stated that Bill and Hillary did not share a room together.
Is that unusual for presidents and their wives?
For anyone who lives in homes where they can each have their own suite?
Posted by: Spungen | January 29, 2007 at 12:11 PM
I just don't think someone of her stature and the number of people who loathe her could have hidden lesbian affairs successfully for all this time. Even before Bill was elected the first time, everybody knew about his woman problem. It would be the same for her if it were true.
Posted by: JewishAtheist | January 29, 2007 at 01:04 PM
Next you're going to tell us that people thought (still think?) Bill didn't inhale.
My memory is that everyone did believe claims of Bill's infidelity, just not claims about his use of force or particular women. When Hillary said, if you think he's a liar, don't vote for him, didn't everyone read it as if you care about adultery, don't vote for him?
But maybe I'm wrong, maybe lots of people didn't believe the rumors. Enough people did that they made the news. That's several orders of magnitude different.
Posted by: Douglas Knight | January 29, 2007 at 01:30 PM
It´s either a lesbian president or a Black president. What´s more acceptable to the voters?
Posted by: Gamma Man | January 29, 2007 at 01:54 PM
Is that unusual for presidents and their wives?
I remember during the media hype during the Ford funeral that Monsieur and Madame Ford were the first presidential couple to share a bedroom.
Given the fact that divorce wouldn't have been politically acceptable for Monsieur Clinton, I'd imagine that it's a marriage of political convenience. Given the allegations of his infidelity that were rampant during that era, I'd imagine that the two of them living "apart" within the White House would be commonplace.
As for the Lesbianism, my former "Queen", is a student at Wellesley where Madame Clinton attended, so I've visited the campus on several occasions, and I'll say that the school has some lesbian students, but overall, the females are the school are single because they're picky alpha females. I'd gather that Hillary is much a part of the latter. No lesbian would have married Bill Clinton, especially during the 1970s...
Posted by: David Alexander | January 29, 2007 at 01:58 PM
What about something factual, such as her behaviour over Cattle Futures?
Posted by: dearieme | January 29, 2007 at 02:03 PM
I'll say that the school has some lesbian students, but overall, the females are the school are single because they're picky alpha females.
What do you mean, "single?" Usually people that young aren't married ...
Some people just don't care about sex as much as others. They don't feel the need to seek it out. That doesn't mean they're gay, just that it's low/no priority.
Posted by: Spungen | January 29, 2007 at 02:34 PM
For what it's worth: I went to college in New England, a bit over a decade after Hillary, and there was the odd rumor that Wellesley was a lesbian haven. Whether that had any basis in reality was another story, and even if true it's no proof that Hillary ever faired a minette (as they call it in The Joy of Sex).
Posted by: Peter | January 29, 2007 at 03:04 PM
I have also heard the rumors that Hillary was a lesbian and I think that there is a pretty good chance that they are/were true. I think the deal that Bill and Hillary worked out was this: She wanted to get her hands on the levers of power and she gave him free rein to "cheat." That is assuming that they were ever in love in the first place and seriously married. It was a true marriage on convenience. The marriage was a vehicle in which Bill got access to women because he was powerful and could get away with it and Hillary would get her access to that power as well. Hillary may be a lot of things, but she is certainly not stupid. I despise her for being a socialist and hate her politics, but she is one of the smartest poeple in politics. She knew the whole time about Bill's cheating and didn't care, as long as she was along for the ride. He could hide behind her when necessary and she could network and build her own power base at the same time. She could play the role of aggrieved wife when necessary. Look how she trashed her husband's many lovers. They could not be allowed to get in the way of the plan. It has worked out pretty well for them so far. I do think there is a good chance she will be elected which will satisfy her lust for power and Bill's desire to live in the White House for as long as possible.
Posted by: | January 29, 2007 at 03:04 PM
What do you mean, "single?" Usually people that young aren't married ...
Some people just don't care about sex as much as others. They don't feel the need to seek it out. That doesn't mean they're gay, just that it's low/no priority.
Yes, single was probably a bad word. I probably should have said without boyfriend/gentleman caller.
I guess it's weird from my perspective since I feel like a freak for being 23 years old and never really having an s/o or a date. I guess I'm expecting that "normal" people would date as often as possible. At Wellesley's case, some of the girls are very particular about who the date, and since there's a glut of girls at other schools in the area that are closer to the core of Boston, the picky girls are shut out by their competition at other schools. Although, I wonder if Wellesley is self-selecting because of its single-sex, yet competitive academic environment.
Mind you, I hated visiting my friend there, hence why I went there as few times as possible. Too many "pretty" rich white women.
For what it's worth: I went to college in New England, a bit over a decade after Hillary, and there was the odd rumor that Wellesley was a lesbian haven.
I'm presuming that you went to college in the late 70s and 80s, which was when single-sex Ivys were opening up to women. These schools pretty much ended pulling away alot of the highly intelligent women away from schools like Wellesley, and in turn the single-sex female schools ended up getting bad reputations. Like I said earlier, Wellesley's location vis à vis other schools in the Boston area puts it at a disadvantage for meeting other males, so I'd guess that ten years of self-selection has created a reputation that lingers. I'm not going to say Wellesley is a lesbian school, but it does attract lesbians.
Posted by: David Alexander | January 29, 2007 at 03:30 PM
Any couple that powerful will have had to make big sacrifices to get there and will live differently than average folks. For some reason, the prospect of the Clintons doing this particularly enrages people, possibly because Hillary is powerful, too. I think it's funny how people like to imagine powerful politicians living like working-class families, just in bigger houses. Kind of like people like to think of celebrities. Wondering how poor Jennifer Aniston will ever survive her heartbreak, and taking inspiration from her when she does.
Posted by: Spungen | January 29, 2007 at 03:30 PM
I remember a few years back, I remember watching something about the Clintons, and one of the things I recall is that people were very surprised when they found Bill dating Hillary since his stereotypical date was a model or beauty queen...
Posted by: David Alexander | January 29, 2007 at 03:34 PM
Quick, quick!!! Where's the tin foil?
Posted by: probligo | January 29, 2007 at 03:37 PM
and one of the things I recall is that people were very surprised when they found Bill dating Hillary since his stereotypical date was a model or beauty queen...
Ambitious men marry women who can help their careers, that's no surprise.
Posted by: Spungen | January 29, 2007 at 03:40 PM
I'm presuming that you went to college in the late 70s and 80s, which was when single-sex Ivys were opening up to women. These schools pretty much ended pulling away alot of the highly intelligent women away from schools like Wellesley, and in turn the single-sex female schools ended up getting bad reputations. Like I said earlier, Wellesley's location vis à vis other schools in the Boston area puts it at a disadvantage for meeting other males, so I'd guess that ten years of self-selection has created a reputation that lingers. I'm not going to say Wellesley is a lesbian school, but it does attract lesbians.
Almost all of the Ivies and other formerly all-male colleges had gone co-ed by the time I got to college in the late 1970's. Most of the changeovers had occurred within a surprisingly short time frame, a year or two on either side of 1970. Hillary entered college in 1965, so she was among the last generation of students enrolling at a time when many colleges were still men-only (of course, women-only colleges continue to thrive). It therefore might not mean anything that she happened to attend a women-only college. Not that it means anything today in most cases, of course.
Posted by: Peter | January 29, 2007 at 04:21 PM
Ambitious men marry women who can help their careers, that's no surprise.
I thought ambitious men marry the best looking women they can buy. Otherwise, doesn't that defeat the purpose of being ambitious?
Posted by: David Alexander | January 29, 2007 at 04:30 PM
John Kerry surely benefited his career by marrying the billionaire older woman, but I'm not sure what Hillary Rodham did for Bill that he couldn't have done solo.
Posted by: Half Sigma | January 29, 2007 at 04:40 PM
I thought ambitious men marry the best looking women they can buy.
Maybe once they're there, but it's a long journey.
Otherwise, doesn't that defeat the purpose of being ambitious?
Many ambitious men are not dependent upon future success to get women. Bill Clinton was attractive, charming, and popular even without money. And you look at the women he cheated with, they were OK-looking, but maybe not as attractive as he was. He's not one of those guys who got ignored in high school and is seeking ego balm.
Posted by: Spungen | January 29, 2007 at 04:43 PM
I'm not sure what Hillary Rodham did for Bill that he couldn't have done solo.
Really, you can't see how two ambitious, talented people working together is better than one? (By "solo," I'm going to assume you mean, "married to a less helpful person," since I doubt you'd seriously suggest a single man could get far in politics back then.)
She was very politically savvy, although so are many well-connected housewife types. But she was also good at making money. And she came from a higher-class family than he did, which probably helped class up his image. Plus, having an accomplished, feminist wife with an impressive career helped him stand out.
Posted by: Spungen | January 29, 2007 at 05:01 PM
Hillary probably would've been a bigger asset to Bill's presidency if she hadn't gotten blamed (unfairly, for the most part) for the failed health insurance reform plan in 1993.
Posted by: Peter | January 29, 2007 at 05:06 PM
Regarding Bill and Hillary, it’s my personal theory that she provided him with a good deal of disclipline. Bill is an extremely smart and even driven man, but men like that often need a woman like Hillary to direct the energy productively. Without Hillary I believe that Bill would probably be a popular former governor of Arkansas, but not a president. Of course, I don’t know either of them personally so it’s pure speculation.
Posted by: trumwill | January 29, 2007 at 05:16 PM
And you look at the women he cheated with, they were OK-looking, but maybe not as attractive as he was.
That's what I never could understand. He's could do better in terms of looks, but yet, he married Hillary, and cheated on her with some of the uglier looking women in Arkansas. I think I'm one of the few people who thought Monica Lewinsky was a step up for him.
Really, you can't see how two ambitious, talented people working together is better than one?
Nope. I'd consider that a detriment because it implies that I'm weaker without my partner.
She was very politically savvy, although so are many well-connected housewife types. But she was also good at making money. And she came from a higher-class family than he did, which probably helped class up his image. Plus, having an accomplished, feminist wife with an impressive career helped him stand out.
But she's an ex-Republican from a family of Republicans in Illinois and she's a feminist in a Southern State in the late 70s when Bill Clinton first ran for governor. Wasn't that a detriment? She seems more of a liability than some pretty beauty queen who's a local to Arkansas.
Posted by: David Alexander | January 29, 2007 at 05:24 PM
Regarding Bill and Hillary, it’s my personal theory that she provided him with a good deal of disclipline.
If he needed such discipline, then maybe he shouldn't have been President.
Posted by: David Alexander | January 29, 2007 at 05:26 PM
She seems more of a liability than some pretty beauty queen who's a local to Arkansas.
Remember, we're not talking about how Cletus on the street feels, but about fundraising, the favor of party honchos, all the stuff you need before the public even hears about you.
Nope. I'd consider that a detriment because it implies that I'm weaker without my partner.
Alexander, after all your time on this board, after 23 years on this planet, are you still clinging to the belief that anyone makes it on his own?
If he needed such discipline, then maybe he shouldn't have been President.
Read that sentence aloud. Does it sound like your mom?
Posted by: Spungen | January 29, 2007 at 05:53 PM
If he needed such discipline, then maybe he shouldn't have been President.
Normal, well-adjusted people don't become president. You need to pick the ones who are aberrant in a way you can live with. The Dems don't mind their leaders being narcissistic philanderers with huge needs for attention and love. Republicans don't mind hubristic people with huge needs for power.
Posted by: JewishAtheist | January 29, 2007 at 06:05 PM
... and cheated on her with some of the uglier looking women in Arkansas.
Maybe it's a southern thing cause the whole thing is a lot less strange to me. Cheaters cheat with ugly women but leave their wives for the attractive ones.
If he needed such discipline, then maybe he shouldn't have been President.
One could say that the eight years of relative peace and prosperity of the Clinton years disproves that, but a lot of Republicans seem to disagree.
Nobody's got it all. One of the great things about finding the right partner is that they help you fill in the gaps. They see your blindspots and not only tell you when to duck but show you where to look so you can avoid the flying objects of life even when they're not in the room.
Posted by: trumwill | January 29, 2007 at 06:53 PM
Maybe it's a southern thing cause the whole thing is a lot less strange to me. Cheaters cheat with ugly women but leave their wives for the attractive ones.
I guess this pegs me as weird, but if I'm going to cheat or leave my s/o, it's going to be with somebody better. Cheating with somebody worse just pegs one as a loser who was punching above their weight when they married.
One could say that the eight years of relative peace and prosperity of the Clinton years disproves that, but a lot of Republicans seem to disagree.
Yes, he was a good president, but my faulty thinking presumes that a Bill Clinton who wasn't reliant on Hillary to keep him in line would have been a better president. I'm presuming that a man (or woman) who isn't reliant on their spouse to "help" them is probably a better person, and thus more equipped for high-ranking positions in our society.
Nobody's got it all...
Now that's just sad concept.
Remember, we're not talking about how Cletus on the street feels, but about fundraising, the favor of party honchos, all the stuff you need before the public even hears about you.
One must consider that donating to a political party is akin to an investment in corporation. What Cletus on the street thinks about your candidate can in turn affect how much you're receiving in terms of donations from your "investors". Plus, one must consider that in certain circles, one's feminist, intelligent wife can be highly unskilled at the art of conversation.
Alexander, after all your time on this board, after 23 years on this planet, are you still clinging to the belief that anyone makes it on his own?
I'd prefer to be as self-reliant as possible as being reliant on other people is a flaw. I don't want to owe my existence to other people.
Read that sentence aloud. Does it sound like your mom?
Nope, not at all.
Posted by: David Alexander | January 29, 2007 at 08:57 PM
I guess this pegs me as weird, but if I'm going to cheat or leave my s/o, it's going to be with somebody better. Cheating with somebody worse just pegs one as a loser who was punching above their weight when they married.
There's little or no status in a private affair cause you can't tell anyone about it. It's more about variety than anything, and variety is not discriminative.
I'd prefer to be as self-reliant as possible as being reliant on other people is a flaw. I don't want to owe my existence to other people.
That's not a bad philosophy if it's not taken too far, but it assumes that one can be all things, which I find false but you seem to find reassuring. Don't mistake me for a Bible-thumper, but as the book of Proverbs says "As iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another."
Posted by: trumwill | January 29, 2007 at 10:50 PM
Plus, one must consider that in certain circles, one's feminist, intelligent wife can be highly unskilled at the art of conversation.
Must one? Which circles would those be?
Posted by: Spungen | January 29, 2007 at 11:06 PM
Must one? Which circles would those be?
The circles of the evil male corporate contributors.
Posted by: David Alexander | January 29, 2007 at 11:38 PM
There's little or no status in a private affair cause you can't tell anyone about it. It's more about variety than anything, and variety is not discriminative.
It's the boost to your self-esteem when you're dating above your current s/o's rank. Then of course, there are the few friends you brag to about it.
That's not a bad philosophy if it's not taken too far, but it assumes that one can be all things, which I find false but you seem to find reassuring. Don't mistake me for a Bible-thumper, but as the book of Proverbs says "As iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another."
I'm used to a cast of characters who seem to pass in and out of my life rather frequently, so I'd much rather rely on myself than people who I'll lose contact with in about a year and a half.
Plus, the desire to be a superman is always strong.
Posted by: David Alexander | January 30, 2007 at 03:00 AM
I could care less if Hiillary was a lesbian, or even had an abortion. What I do care about is that she formed her opinions in the radical feminist 60's at Wellesley. These are her core opinions. She may act moderate to get elected, she may make friends with Republicans, but give me a break. We know what this woman really believes; she's probably to the left of Ted Kennedy and definitely to the left of her husband. If elected president, she will push a divisive, practically socialist agenda. Her thirst for power knows no bounds.
By the way, it seems like Wellesley might be a good place for intelligent guys to meet women in the Boston area, with such little competition and all.
Posted by: Jack | January 30, 2007 at 09:36 AM
What I do care about is that she formed her opinions in the radical feminist 60's at Wellesley.
By attending Wellesley from 1965 to 1969 she might have missed the most extreme phases of campus radicalism. It really would only have been in her junior and senior years that most colleges saw heavy student activism, I don't know specifically about Wellesley.
By the way, it seems like Wellesley might be a good place for intelligent guys to meet women in the Boston area, with such little competition and all.
You'd have to be smart and have money. Looking like an A&F model wouldn't hurt, either. Students at a place like Wellesley would have high standards.
Posted by: Peter | January 30, 2007 at 10:10 AM
That's not a marriage. That's a political alliance.
Posted by: SFG | January 30, 2007 at 12:21 PM
Peter, you'd have to be smart, rich, and look like a model to get girls at Wellesley? Doubt it, because so few guys actually have all that. In addition, men seem to have the pickings in the Boston area.
Boston University - 58% women
Boston College - 52% women
Northeastern - 51% women
UMass Boston - 57% women
Emerson - 57% women
Harvard - 49% women
Of course MIT would be mostly guys, but I doubt these guys are great with the ladies. I personally would hope that a Wellesley girl looks for more than an Abercrombie model lookalike. I mean, we aren't talking about Florida State here.
Posted by: Jack | January 30, 2007 at 04:26 PM
I personally would hope that a Wellesley girl looks for more than an Abercrombie model lookalike. I mean, we aren't talking about Florida State here.
What I've noticed about Wellesley is that the girls there in general tend to be much pickier about who they date despite the fact the school is single-sex.* So, they want the high-ranking top of the line alpha males, but those men would much rather deal with the girls on their local campuses than to schelp out to Wellesley.** The school is routinely paired up with MIT, and the Wellesley women are not fond of the MIT and men. So what ends up happening is that the men who cannot score with women on their own campuses visit Wellesley, and return in most cases alone.*** Plus, a lot of the Wellesley students knew ahead of time that the access to men would be rather limited, so in turn, they've been preared for it. These are girls who were used to waiting for a decent guy to turn up, and many of them will not sacrifice their time for some common frat boy from BC or a geek from MIT.
*Wellesley is a case where quite a bit of the single-sex activity is done by girls who are desperate for sex, but find common males to be much to lowly for them. An equivalent male phenomomenon doesn't exist.
**Wellesley, is IIRC, the furthest away from Boston. Weekends, there's a shuttle bus from Harvard & MIT, otherwise, the only way out there is by driving out there which is hard for carless college students and MBTA's commuter rail service which has patchy headways off-peak.
***A lot of these guys expect their trip to Wellesley to be like an Axe commercial. It's usually the opposite.
Posted by: David Alexander | January 30, 2007 at 05:59 PM
I'll also add that the girls at Wellesley are very beautiful, and I'm not some cry baby complaining that I never got laid there. I didn't find the Wellesley girls attractive.
Posted by: David Alexander | January 30, 2007 at 06:01 PM
Wellesley is a case where quite a bit of the single-sex activity is done by girls who are desperate for sex, but find common males to be much to lowly for them.
So, straight Wellesley women will go dyke, rather than masturbate or settle for a man less than a Rockefeller? What are you basing this on? It goes against absolutely everything I've ever heard or observed about lesbians, straight women, or all-girls environments. It sounds like something a guy who doesn't know much about women would cook up after watching too much porn.
Posted by: Spungen | January 30, 2007 at 06:13 PM
It sounds like something a guy who doesn't know much about women would cook up after watching too much porn.
I won't say that the Wellesley girls are holding out for the richest guys possible, but Wellesley's position vis à vis the other Boston area schools means that the boys who visit on campus are either geeks, frat boys who think they're going to find easy prey, and guys who for some reason can't score on their own campuses.
My former friend was the one who informed me of how many of her classmates and friends go "dyke" until they find a gentleman caller. This isn't something cooked up in a porn-addicted mind, it's stuff my former Wellesley friend has told me about the past three years she's been attending.
Posted by: David Alexander | January 30, 2007 at 06:27 PM
Are Wellesley girls more intellectual? That's what I would expect; they obviously aren't in college for the frat parties or the sun and beach. If I move back to Massachusetts, I'll hit up BU instead. Apparently, anyone can get laid there because of the man shortage.
Posted by: Jack | January 30, 2007 at 08:49 PM
You should all read the mind bending book, "Tranceformation". Make of it what you will but you will be riveted. The Big Rumor and probably more than that is that Hillary is a rug muncher supreme...i.e. lesbian. She has a very attractive "assistant" that you may see fleeting in pictures with her..she looks like a younger, more glamorous version of Hillary. The Big Rumor now is that this her numero ono sweetie. I worked with a man whose sister works in D.C. as a hairdresser and she says it's a fact that Hillary has "dozens" of young girls...mostly paid for by pushing them into big careers to silence them...that get their hair done at this salon who were driven to the White House just to service Madame. I believe it to be true. This woman is heartless, cruel and suffers from some strange pathology that will make her do ANYTHING...I mean ANYTHING to gain power.
Look at what she did with Billy Dale, the head of the White House travel office for decades. He was and is a patriotic and honest American with a sterling reputation. The Clintons...led by Hillary..had him stripped of his office by accusing him of trumped up wrongdoing just to get him out. A court said otherwise..and he got off scot free, as he did nothing wrong, but the man went bankrupt and his life was ruined by these scurillous lies. They wanted Dale out so they could put their people in, people who would hide the fact that they took trips around the world (more than any first couple) and brought Hillary's mother and brothers and friends...and it cost the public millions. When they left the White House, remember they got caught stealing silver and furniture? Nice folks.
Hillary depends on private eyes to keep dosiers on potential political enemies, and flings mud and ruins lives whenever they look like they will imperil her political aspirations or have actual dirt on her and her old man...Her Scorched Earth policy is known far and wide. IN the White House she demanded that all uniformed men and women be banned from the White House, so deep is her hatred of the military. Aides were warned never to look at her in the eye when she walked down the corridors, and they were told to go into the nearest office until she walked by and NEVER to talk to her. Nice woman. And you want this bitch for your President? Our country is in its final hours..the America of my youth is long gone, the great and beautiful land of opportunity. Hillary and Bill are Globalists..and if you want to know what that truly is, grab "Behold a Pale Horse" by William Cooper. They want to sell out this country to the highest bidder. I knew the moment I saw Clinton Himself that he was nothing but a jaded,paid-off snake oil salesman and I had the worst opinion of all of her. They are not going away, God help us. Nixon said she had the coldest eyes he had ever seen on a human. Wake up! Don't vote for this atrocious woman...Let's back ANYONE but Hillary Clinton. PS....Remember the strange deaths of Vince Foster and Ron Brown? If not, dig deep into what actually happened to them when they knew too much.
Posted by: faye dolan | March 05, 2007 at 05:37 PM
after reading this stuff i think i want obama for pres.
Posted by: k to the elsey | March 13, 2007 at 10:44 PM
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“The problem was with Bill Clinton, the scandals and rumored scandals, the incubating ones and the dying ones never ended. Whatever moral compass the president was consulting [Hillary] was leading him in the wrong direction. His closets were full of skeletons just waiting to burst out.” FBI Director Louis J. Freeh
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Posted by: Peggy McGilligan | October 10, 2007 at 01:50 AM
I have read several women's accounts who have come forward bearing witness to Hillary's bisexual encounters. Read Transformation of America. Author Cathy O'Brien tells in detail about her sex with Hillary. The first edition of this book came out before Bill was exposed. Rose Law Firm records show she spent many weekends alone with Vince Foster at the firm's remote cabin. Do you know anyone who regularly does this with someone else's spouse?
Posted by: People_shun_truth | October 30, 2007 at 12:49 AM