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June 16, 2007

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The sexbot concept would theoretically result in the creation in a more beautiful, more gregarious species within the span of a few generations. It will be an initially small population. The reason for this is because people who are strongly mutually attracted to one other will still couple up and produce children, no matter how "real" a sexbot could possibly designed to be. Everyone else who would prefer this sort of artifical "perfection", or aren't attractive enough will not propagate on.

This is one of your most Beta posts ever. haha

David Alexander, what have you done with Half Sigma? You untie him right now!

Would you really, really, really get the satisfaction from a robot that you would from a woman? Isn't a big part of the satisfaction of scoring a hot woman the fact that you beat out other men? (David Alexander, supra.) If just anyone could buy one, there'd be no ego boost.

I do enjoy picturing HS with a Foxy Brown robot -- slapping him in the face and saying, "Shut yo mouth!"

How could they possibly make them illegal? How would a sexbot be legally different than a blowup doll or a vibrator?

I suspect that as a ragingly bratty contrarian, you just like to fantasize that the government gives a whit about what you do with your johnson.

And admit it, you just get off on thinking about robots, period.

Another invention for the terminally nerdy lonely? I mean how can someone actually buy or sell such an item with a straight face? "I think a sexbot makes more sense than a real woman" which to the seller translates as "this guy couldn't get laid even if the world really did depend on him losing his virginity in 24 hours or the world comes to an end, I mean every single woman of the 3 billion odd women will still say that they weren't that desperate or liked life that much to take one for the planet!".

I think the Uncanny Valley effect would be pretty bad with sexbots.

Also, The Danimal is/was a profound, rigorous thinker in all matters sexbotian. A cursory Google search for "Danimal Archive Sexbot" will give you ready access to his wisdom about the matter.

No one would give a shit about a sex machine after a few years of titillation and disappointment unless you're getting into thinking android territory where your emotions and even intellect could be "fooled". The bulk of the frisson of contemporary sex is about infatuation, love, vanity, taboo, confidence, et cetera, all only served by another mind. The things that make it all a burden and a competition and a source of anxiety are the same things that make it important to people.

The physiological pleasure is just the foundation - do you see nerds practicing some kind of advanced jerking off technique to ever-improving porn? No, it's because no one cares - they just want to rub one out because it's a few minutes of cheap fun every couple days.

Come on HS, there remain solid evolutionary-genetic and status reasons to seek sex with human females. It is likely that men who partake in this simply cannot get sex with normal women AT THE MOMENT, like with porn. Studies have shown that masturbation is actually more pleasurable for men than sex, yet they endlessly pursue and fantasize about sex with human females. Why? Evolution, love, family, the innate desire to have children, these human universals will never be substituted by robots.

Sexrobots will take off once we can develop artificial intelligence that can replicate the personality of a female character in a porn movie and do so with a human touch. Secondly, it would be neccessary for a robot to replicate female skin and female secretions (saliva and sexual fluids) and warmth to replicate the feeling of having sex with a woman. The sex robot would have to be a robot that feels indistinguishable from a woman except for her sexual programming which would be hightened and geared towards replicating attitudes and physical attributes from pornography.

Once those barriers have been crossed, an appropriate pricing model allowing middle and lower class men to use such devices would allow for rapid wide-spread adoption amongst single males irregardless of social prohibitions. I'd imagine the biggest usage would not be amongst so-called alpha males, but amongst males with poor social skills (i.e David Alexander) and other pathologies that prevent sexual relationships from forming with women. The other prime group would be divorced males and eventually, average males especially if sex robots are cheaper than dating. If given the choice between a long-term relationship with a normal woman and a long-term *sexual* relationship with a sex robot with female friends for companionship, I'd take the latter since it's the ultimate win-win situation for me.

Instead of there being a woman shortage, there will now be a man shortage.

I'd imagine that the least attractive women will suffer, and the most attractive women will have some chance. One may even want to use the effects of pornography on changes in women's grooming and sexual habits as a jumping point of what may happen to women to "compete" against sex robots. OTOH, if male sex robots were developed for women, I'd imagine that many complaints would go away. Besides, there's always female homosexuality as an alternative if the supply of men dries up.

The ultimate danger for society is that the population will die out after the widespread adoption of sexbots because people will stop having real sex.

By the time sex robots are developed, artificial wombs should be easily produceable. If that isn't developed, I'd imagine that there would be a increased market for sperm banks, and women would use in vitro fertilization and screen out less than desirable sperm and embryos which may make this a benefit in the long term. Male siblings may substitute as male father figures, or possibly platonic relationships will flourish in lieu of the current poorly crafted set-up of sex with people one cares about.

Before you go dump your girlfriend or divorce your wife in expectation of being able to buy a sexbot in a few years, I’d recommend waiting

There's various alternatives like realistic, human sized dolls, various oils, mixtures, and devices for masturbation, and a continually increasing supply of new pornographic materials via the Internet. That solution has been a de facto replacement for women for some men for at least ten years.

Isn't a big part of the satisfaction of scoring a hot woman the fact that you beat out other men? (David Alexander, supra.)

That's very true Maitress, but I'd imagine that the biggest market for sex robots would be men who are incapable of attracting hot women in the first place. For these men, sex robots are the replacement for dealing with expensive escorts and dangerous prostitutes. It's also a way to save one's self from the psychological pain of being rejected by socially acceptable women.

"Instead of there being a woman shortage, there will now be a man shortage."

But in such an oversupply scenario the mean female would have to lower her standards somewhat to attract a mate. Guys who've been forced to use robots due to poor social skills/ugliness/whatever, would ultimately have a better chance with actual women due to the falloff in female mate expectations, so eventually the mate market would return to a stable equilibrium.

Come on D.A. how is owning a female-oid sex doll be anything more than a 3D version of jacking off to a photo of some naked bird in a magazine? Most women are still going see such nerds as nothing more than socially maladjusted wankers.

Sexrobots will take off once we can develop artificial intelligence that can replicate the personality of a female character in a porn movie and do so with a human touch. Secondly, it would be neccessary for a robot to replicate female skin ...

A society that's advanced enough to develop these kind of sexbots is advanced enough to cure most common STD's and make prostitution near-riskless.

If you think about it, sexbots make less economic sense than opera-singing or string-quartet-playing robots.

Secondly, it would be neccessary for a robot to replicate female skin and female secretions (saliva and sexual fluids) and warmth to replicate the feeling of having sex with a woman.

And the sexbots will all be shaved :(((((

Sexbots, on the other hand, seem to be at least as complicated to manufacture as an LCD monitor or an automobile, so only a small number of huge corporations will have the capability of manufacturing sexbots

Large corporations, especially those which are publically held, may be very reluctant to get involved with such controversial work.

Would you really, really, really get the satisfaction from a robot that you would from a woman?

It just has to be better than the average women.

And if you look at the economics of the thing, it could save men from the considerable expense of dating just to get to sex. There could be a 1 yr payback even on an expensive model.

A further ramification would be less instances of men partnering with women because of sexual coupling. That would eliminate instances where women direct a purchasing decisions with men's money. This would have the salutatory effect of removing a lot of the execrable women's media from the air and the products that support it.

With men controlling their own murse strings, there would be a boom in black couches and electronics, and Ophra would be a pauper. The sexbot would usher in the golden age.

Large corporations, especially those which are publically held, may be very reluctant to get involved with such controversial work?

All for what? So lame-o nerds might actually get a chance to know what it's like to lose their virginity? I'm sure most people would argue there are far more important projects that might actually help people worthy of attracting investment dollars. It stupid! Lame! Weak! How about developing a software program that nerds can use to simulate 'getting a life'.

Female friends already report that the availability of female masturbation aids (vibrators, anyone?) reduced their need to give in to sexual overtures or have sex very often (esp. if not in a relationship). Men are behind the curve on masturbation aids in that respect.

One can assume that reducing the pressure on males to have sex (assuming sexbots will be that much better than robots) will reduce the rent women get in the dating market (in non-economic terms, women would less often be able to get free meals and males behaving in the way women desire to, ummm, get some).

This looks like a good thing to me. Currently, early dating relationships are clogged with the differing incentives of the parties. if this were changed (e.g., men seeking sex would get to date women seeking sex; men seeking companionship would get to date women seeking companionship; and men unable to get the match they desire would not settle for a partial match but stay home and boink the bot), I can see actual improvement in the quality (but not the quantity) of male-female relationships.

Sexbots would be a huge success with any group that had reliably tough competition in getting hot girls. (If all you had to choose from were "jump on the grenade" girls, you'd clearly choose to screw a sexbot while you watched porn on your computer.)

Clearly, one such category of guys are socially awkward types, nerds, etc. no matter where they are.

But another key category is pre-alpha males. Guys who are summer interning at Goldman Sachs (or similar), just got their first job after college at such a place, or in general haven't established themselves as really rich dudes.

These guys could do OK with girls in a less competitive area, but in Manhattan there are tons of guys who are more tall, rich, and powerful than they are. I'm not in such a field, but my impression is that it takes at least until age 30 to really cement yourself in these careers. That's a lot of time to go w/o sex, especially when you're surrounded by tons of hot girls -- but who are difficult to impress, given your competition. Not to mention that getting established requires 70+ hours per week working.

So, I see sexbots being a big thing in metro areas with a fair amount of babes and lots of "established rich guy" competition. Given that they probably have higher sex drives and more disposable income than nerds, I'd guess that these pre-alphas would be the first market targeted by sexbot manufacturers.

Slightly OT.

Sexual Utopia in Power

But another key category is pre-alpha males. Guys who are summer interning at Goldman Sachs (or similar), just got their first job after college at such a place, or in general haven't established themselves as really rich dudes.
These guys could do OK with girls in a less competitive area, but in Manhattan there are tons of guys who are more tall, rich, and powerful than they are.

Speaking as one who works in Manhattan, I'm actually not so sure that it would be a prime market for sexbots. While of course there are many rich and powerful men - they torment my existence on the train twice each day - hott or at least presentable young women are absolutely a dime a dozen. Stand on the sidewalk for five minutes and you'll see more nubile trim than you would ever have thought possible. Even if many of these young chix are holding out for Alphas, that still leaves a vast number ripe for the picking. Also consider that a suprisingly high percentage of the men in Manhattan are out of the running because they take it in the twins. They also seem to outnumber the women who chew the carpet (a tragically obsolete expression, I know).

"Cherry 2000"
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0092746/

Really bad movie, but explores a lot of these issues, including (as I recall) making sexbots illegal. The protagonist's sexbot blows a fuse and he goes on a journey to find another copy of his model. He's been out of the human-human sexual market for so long he has no idea how to interact with real people.

How could they possibly make them illegal? How would a sexbot be legally different than a blowup doll or a vibrator?

Vibrators ARE illegal in some states, or at least selling them is. I'm pretty sure this is true in Texas.

But in such an oversupply scenario the mean female would have to lower her standards somewhat to attract a mate. Guys who've been forced to use robots due to poor social skills/ugliness/whatever, would ultimately have a better chance with actual women due to the falloff in female mate expectations, so eventually the mate market would return to a stable equilibrium.

As I've said, the males who were never getting any women are going to be the biggest users of this technology, so the women who will be hurt are not the mean women who hold out for so-called alpha males, but the fatter, uglier women who relied on complimentary ugly males for relationships.

Come on D.A. how is owning a female-oid sex doll be anything more than a 3D version of jacking off to a photo of some naked bird in a magazine? Most women are still going see such nerds as nothing more than socially maladjusted wankers.

Some of these men are already socially maladjusted wankers who scared away many women. Of course, if the robots simulate the experience of being as close as possible, then it's an (expensive) improvement over jerking off and better than wasting time moaping that about the inability to get a woman or on dates that lead to no sex (which admittedly is not a right, but it does get tiring of going on multiple dates with no hope of sex).

A society that's advanced enough to develop these kind of sexbots is advanced enough to cure most common STD's and make prostitution near-riskless.

Even if prostitution was legalized and STDs were evaporated, there would be a shortage of beautiful women willing to perform sex work, and some men don't have the social graces to even deal with a prostitute.

And the sexbots will all be shaved :(((((

Sex robots will be customized to meet your specifications. So yes, you can have hairy sex robots, Peter. :)

How about developing a software program that nerds can use to simulate 'getting a life'.

It's quite possible to be outgoing and have a life, but be unable to attract women for sex. IMHO, sex robots would be blessing for most males and females. Males don't have to waste time pursing women who don't want them and turn their limited time towards more interesting pursuits, and women will no longer have to deal with pestering men and putting up with performing sex acts that they didn't enjoy performing to keep an ugly guy around.

Speaking as one who works in Manhattan, I'm actually not so sure that it would be a prime market for sexbots.

Peter, the market would not be the "alpha" males, but the beta males who work in Manhattan. Mostly civil servants (who are too poor to "buy" women), IT support workers, and actuaries and other fields that are loaded with ugly looking, nerdy males.

Stand on the sidewalk for five minutes and you'll see more nubile trim than you would ever have thought possible.

IMHO, most of those women are flat chested A and B cups wearing casual clothes that have no sex appeal.

Even if many of these young chix are holding out for Alphas, that still leaves a vast number ripe for the picking

The women who are left are kinda ugly, and not as attractive as the other females. Given the choice between those women and the sex robot who can be customized to look like a hot porn star, I'd rather take the sex robot and be guaranteed an excellent sexual experience each and every time that I want it.

A humourous take on the sex robots idea from Futurama that may or may not have some truth in it depending on your viewpoint:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFlpHHH9EIU

Wait a tick, aren't nerds regarded as Omega Males?

HS:
Women buy vibrators--why not sexbots? As I see it, the fact that women generally don't like to watch pornographic videos (Is this even true? Most of the women who've I've known well enough for the issue to come up have had at least some interest in it, although it may be that they see it as more as a supplement to sex than a substitute) doesn't really tell us anything about whether they'd be interested in buying sexbots.

Prediction: In the future, many men will have both sexbots and girlfriends/wives at the same time. And many women be jealous of the sexbots in a way not easily distinguishable from the way they would be jealous of human rivals.

Evolution, love and family?! They had better develop these fucking sex robots as quickly as possible!

Has anyone thought about the expense of manufacturing these things? I don't think the proper plastics would come in cheap, what with decreasing oil availability and all.

This is one of those things from 50s scifi, like hovercars, that is just not going to happen.

The physiological pleasure is just the foundation - do you see nerds practicing some kind of advanced jerking off technique to ever-improving porn?

Well, wait a minute, that seems to be what's going on at this site.

Not sure how I found this, but I think it was from Libertarian Girl's blogroll.

Women buy vibrators--why not sexbots? As I see it, the fact that women generally don't like to watch pornographic videos (Is this even true?

I think women are turned on by men being turned on. That's why a sexbot couldn't replace men any more than a vibrator or masturbation could, although one can have fun with all three. That's what's so creepy about some of this sexbot talk -- some of you seem to think of their purpose not as masturbation, but as a replacement for real women. That suggests that another human's pleasure is no factor at all in your sexual enjoyment.

"This is one of those things from 50s scifi, like hovercars, that is just not going to happen."

We were supposed to have vacation homes on Mars, robots cleaning my toilet and paperless offices by now too. Fucking NASA can't even get a miserable space station to work properly. They should be disbanded and the money from their budget given to Richard Branson or something. I used to read Popular Mechanics religiously as a kid and I feel pretty let down.

some of you seem to think of their purpose not as masturbation, but as a replacement for real women.

In all fairness, this was Half Sigma's premise: I happen to think the the idea is patent nonsense.

vacation homes on Mars,

Yet another scifi idea that makes very little sense. As Charlie Stross says, building homes in the Gobi Desert would be vastly easier.

I don't think the proper plastics would come in cheap, what with decreasing oil availability and all.

Oil and plastics can be made from biomass, charcoal etc. so this is not an issue.

I was just lamenting the future that never happened. Like I said, I grew up reading Popular Mechanics and thought I would have one of those Moller flying cars. It seems that stuff like that is always 5 or 10 years away from being available (in other words, never).

I think women are turned on by men being turned on.

I doubt that women are turned on by men being turned on because you'd see more women try and turn men on. Yet, I don't see that, and most women don't do anything like that, IMHO.

That's why a sexbot couldn't replace men any more than a vibrator or masturbation could, although one can have fun with all three. That's what's so creepy about some of this sexbot talk -- some of you seem to think of their purpose not as masturbation, but as a replacement for real women.

Yes, sex robots are a replacement for women because women require too much work to attract and maintain. It's much easier to buy a robot that looks like my sexual fantasy and acts like my sexual fantasy than to deal with the women who just simply cannot deliver that experience. Sex robots don't have periods, cramps, or inhibitions prohibiting her from doing various sex acts. Sex robots don't get pregnant or have to be "in the mood" for sex. They're always on AND ready for sex whenever I'm ready. If I want a sex robot at specific height with large fake breasts, a big ass, small waist to wear high heels slutty clothes, lots of makeup and nails for me, it will do so in order to please me. No woman will do that for any man, and I just feel guilty about paying a prostitute to do that. For many men who can only attract loser women, a sex robot is a way of maintaining respect and dignity. In some cases, no woman is better than sex with an ugly woman who may care about you.

In short, it's easier to get a hot sex robot that is designed for sex than to get a real life woman who may or may not have sex with you. The bonus for women is that you won't have loser males pestering you for sex.

That suggests that another human's pleasure is no factor at all in your sexual enjoyment.

Frankly, another person's pleasure is a secondary need in sexuality. My needs comes first, and I'd expect my sexual partner have her needs come first for her. You're responsible for your own orgasm, and my choice to use a sex robot doesn't infringe on your right to have an orgasm by yourself or with some other person.

I was just lamenting the future that never happened. Like I said, I grew up reading Popular Mechanics and thought I would have one of those Moller flying cars. It seems that stuff like that is always 5 or 10 years away from being available (in other words, never).

Yes, but who would have said that we'd have the Internet along with cheap, affordable computing power? Even though we didn't get flying cars, which IMHO, would have sucked given how poorly people drive now, I still think we did rather well in terms of development. Mind you, my generation probably has lower expectations and anybody who told us that flying cars were 5-10 years would have been laughed at for making such a stupid prediction.

spungenworthy:
Would you really, really, really get the satisfaction from a robot that you would from a woman?

it depends on the woman. for a guy who can only attract 6s or lower, yes, a realistic sexbot in the form of rachel weisz or heidi klum would provide immeasurably more satisfaction. in fact, even for those guys currently banging 8s and higher, a sexbot would seem a perfectly reasonable masturbation replacement during those downtimes when the real woman is away or not in the mood.

this is what women fail to grasp about the contours of male sexual desire -- it really really really is 99% physical for us. 100% if we are talking about one night stands. the only reason you see guys dating less than ideal women is because they have no other option.

options = instability.

Isn't a big part of the satisfaction of scoring a hot woman the fact that you beat out other men?

no. that is a small, minor part of the satisfaction. the big part of the satisfaction is her hotness and how she looks naked as we are fucking her. if men could score high quality babes without competing at all they'd do it. hth.

Pardon the shameless self-promotion, but here's a NSFW short story I wrote about sexbots in 1994.

I'm sure these devices will become overhyped. I think dildonics (remote stimulation of people via toys) probably is more realistic and fairly low-tech as well.

Also, webcam communities and virtual 3-D communities like Second Life offer visual stimulation without any tactile stimulation.

As a male, the thing I find most appealing about porn is that it involves live actors. Perhaps younger generation's familiarity with game NPC's might break that taboo, but I think these things won't become popular unless they involve actual women.

For the ultimate in nerd pleasure, your sexbot will leave comments on your blog agreeing with all your wacky theories about men and women.

Roissy is right that physical hotness is vital to male sexual pleasure, but 1) the technology to fully reproduce real physical beauty in a convincing way has got to be at least a century away, and 2) it's downright autistic to say hotness alone gives 99% of the pleasure in sex, or anything at all close to that percentage.

Also: sexbots are an elaborately technological solution to a simple problem. You could accomplish everything that "sexbots" would and more by simply making prostitution legal. Then all men could simply hire a sexual partner without the relationship stuff, and good prostitutes could also help socialize shy men to better interact with women.

Before you go dump your girlfriend or divorce your wife in expectation of being able to buy a sexbot in a few years, I’d recommend waiting.

WTF? Even a very sexually active couple is only going to spend 7-10 hours/week having sex. Most of a relationship is about the intellectual/emotional connection: ie loving one another. Even if sexbot technology reached the heights HalfSigma suggests, sexbots could never serve as a relationship substitute. It's like suggesting that you develop a deep emotional bond with your vacuum cleaner.

Also, since sexual attraction is so emotionally charged (people even develop deep feelings for their masturbatory aids, like porn stars or celebrities), the sexbot would ultimately be an empty and unsatisfying tool, like the ultimate unrequited love.

I can't help thinking you all know this and are just enjoying pretending otherwise.

Also: sexbots are an elaborately technological solution to a simple problem. You could accomplish everything that "sexbots" would and more by simply making prostitution legal.

Not going to happen. Prostitution is far too hazardous to public health, and learning to socialize with women is not that difficult.

You wrote: "The reason why the government is powerless to stop pornography is because all that’s required to produce it is a camera."

Au contraire! Government DID empower the porno industry by granting them copyright protection. If you were to rescind that copyright protection, the industry would fail overnight.

it's downright autistic to say hotness alone gives 99% of the pleasure in sex, or anything at all close to that percentage.

Okay, your partner's physical and mental health must be taken into account, as well as her enjoyment, otherwise, hotness is still a large component of the pleasure in sex. No sex is still more enticing than an ugly girl who's easily sexually exciting.

sexbots are an elaborately technological solution to a simple problem. You could accomplish everything that "sexbots" would and more by simply making prostitution legal

The problem with prostitution is that even if it's legal, I feel guilty for using the woman for sex. She's generally not enjoying the experience and it may leave her with emotional scars. In contrast, a sex robot doesn't feel degraded, dirty, or cheap. You don't have to worry about the sex robot enjoying the sex because it doesn't have any emotions and feelings to worry about.

Most of a relationship is about the intellectual/emotional connection: ie loving one another. Even if sexbot technology reached the heights HalfSigma suggests, sexbots could never serve as a relationship substitute. It's like suggesting that you develop a deep emotional bond with your vacuum cleaner.

The problem is that the person who you may develop a good connection with is probably the person who makes for an awful sex partner. Most women make for awful sex partners, so for many men, a sex robot would be a great way to leave the emotional and intellectual connection with women and the sex portion to a robot who's designed to meet the needs of male sexuality.

Not going to happen. Prostitution is far too hazardous to public health, and learning to socialize with women is not that difficult.

Learning to socialize with women for relationships is incredibly hard, IMHO. If it was easy, then it would be absurdly easy for even a socially inept male to ask a female on a date, entertain her, and then have sex. It's one thing to be friends with a girl, it's another to be date and sex material.

I disagree with the comments about people only getting sexbots because they can't get sex from real women. I have yet to meet a couple that have the same level of sex drive. In the case of me and my wife our sex drives are drastically different and while the sex is wonderful for both of us she just doesn't feel like it as often as I do. So as a solution I have memberships with porn sites and she has purchased several "toys" for me for birthdays and christmas. A sexbot would be just another supliment to our relationship to balance out the difference in sexual drives. There is far more to a relationship than the sex and anyone who is just chasing a woman to have sex with will probably be disappointed in a few years that they aimed for the wrong goal. A relationship is about friendship and caring first and foremost. Sex is fun and it's important for continueing the species but it's definitely not a good reason to commit yourself into a relationship.

I think sexbots (if done much better than all of the current male sex toys on the market) could be a fantastic way to slow men down when it comes to relationships. To allow men to mature past the lust drive to the point where they are actually ready for a real loving relationship. Way to many people get involved in relationships for all the wrong reasons.

http://ansuz.sooke.bc.ca/creative/stories/henryeliza.php?T=1182887307

Not exactly safe for work, it's a fantastic bit of fiction on the topic and the real dangers of sexbots from a computer security perspective.

There have been complaints by many men about their girlfriend's contempt for their porn collection. Many women feel resentful about it because they feel that the porn is a replacement instead of a supplement to them. Given the choice between masturbation with porn and cheating with another female or using a prostitute, I don't see why women should be so upset with porn.

Given the attitude that many women have towards porn, I'd imagine that there would be increased hatred towards sex robots. When sex robots come on the market, women are going to have to learn that they're only good for emotional needs, and that their sexual function is no longer needed. The female and male sexuality don't mesh and the only way to properly diagnose this problem is with sex robots designed for each gender.

When sex robots come on the market, women are going to have to learn that they're only good for emotional needs, and that their sexual function is no longer needed.

David, the problem with your argument is that emotions and sex are extremely closely linked. When people have sex, neurochemicals are released in their brains which have profound effects on mood (like dopamine and oxytocin). In other words, we are programmed to feel strong emotions during and after sex. Separating the two, as you suggest, is not biologically possible.

Separating the two, as you suggest, is not biologically possible.

The three years that I spend "loving" my Wellesley friend in a deep and emotionally reassuring friendship without sex seems and no desire to have sex with her seems to reassure the idea that sex and emotions can be separated.

No offense David, but what you've experienced proves little. Because you're weird. You are an unusual person. You are an outlier.

While your unique perspectives make you interesting, they are often also miles away from what the typical person believes or has experienced.

men can easily separate emotions from sex where women have difficulty doing this.

alert the media.

Because you're weird. You are an unusual person. You are an outlier.

I think I've been waiting for somebody to finally say that instead of trying convince me in some vain attempt that I'm normal.

You may have a point in regards to my observations since I fell in love with two women and had no sexual desire or interest in having sex with them. OTOH, I also fell in love with the older woman that I had sex with on and off for a year or so which implies that I may not be immune to that effect either.

The problem with prostitution is that even if it's legal, I feel guilty for using the woman for sex. She's generally not enjoying the experience and it may leave her with emotional scars. In contrast, a sex robot doesn't feel degraded, dirty, or cheap. You don't have to worry about the sex robot enjoying the sex because it doesn't have any emotions and feelings to worry about.

Let's not overlook the flipside of this: sexbots will not appeal to sadists, since as you point out, the robots cannot feel a thing.

(I personally think that sadism as a tendency is practically universal, manifesting in varying forms, but that's another topic.)

cuchulkhan:
"Studies have shown that masturbation is actually more pleasurable for men than sex"

I agree that sexbots won't replace sex with real women, including even sex with full-blown prostitutes. (See my above post, for an example of why.) However, do you have any references to these studies? Sex tends to be more pleasurable for me than masturbation. I'm skeptical; perhaps you are remembering incorrectly, etc. If you are remembering correctly, perhaps their methodology is questionable.

"Not going to happen. Prostitution is far too hazardous to public health, and learning to socialize with women is not that difficult."

Not a valid argument. Making prostitution legal could easily make it *less* hazardous to public health (though it could still be hazardous to the prostitutes, but illegal prostitution exists now and already is). Many men who socialize with women nonetheless use prostitutes.

jojo:
"David, the problem with your argument is that emotions and sex are extremely closely linked. When people have sex, neurochemicals are released in their brains which have profound effects on mood (like dopamine and oxytocin). In other words, we are programmed to feel strong emotions during and after sex. Separating the two, as you suggest, is not biologically possible."

Not quite, but it is true that men do not need to *love* each person they have sex with. The field of emotions is far larger than love. That's part of why (along with their instinct for sexual variety, etc.) men tend to be quite eager to have casual sex with attractive strangers. Women are far less eager to willingly spread their legs for attractive male strangers.

http://www.marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2004/10/the_difference_.html

That said, there is a place both for loving sex and sex of other kinds.

Fixed link to aforementioned study.

Women don't have to love the person they're having sex with either. It's just that they want to be sure they can trust the person before they are willing to agree to it. Men have less fear of the woman going psycho and killing them. Sure, it doesn't happen often enough for every woman to justify that feeling but it is generally deemed easier for a man to lure and injure a woman (be it rape, a serial killer, or what have you) than the other way around.

There is also the double-standard still at large. A woman who dates casually is seen as less wholesome than a man who dates casually. This stigma has been shrinking in recent years, particularly with the popularity of such fictional entertainment as "Sex and the City", but it still exists.

But as long as a sex-bot, of male build, has exceptional AI, women would probably be fairly willing to use them. If it can be programmed to act exactly how they want, as well as be great at sex, I think a lot of women would be willing to give it a try (as long as they can do so discretely.) And really, if it DOESN'T have AI? Then why not just buy a Real Doll? http://www.realdoll.com/

I would also say (though this is only my opinion) that I think that a number of women DO know that porn is a supplement. They do not think it is a rival. What makes them feel miffed is how ACCEPTED male porn is and how unaccepted and not quite fitting to their needs porn depicting men is. (It would seem that most porn which shows men is made more for gay men than straight women, though I have no source to site.)

But I could be wrong about that. I'm bisexual (so I have no idea if purely straight women feel differently about some of that) and most of the porn I've found online is directed at men, so I could be very, very biased. Plus, not enough daddy/daughter fantasy... as compared to the amount of other incest porn found online. Not to mention, I like it to be clearly staged, properly lit, with a nice background porn... not guaranteed real (as if a guarantee would make it look better or excuse the amateurish nature), dingy lighting, in someone's lived-in living room. Really hilarious translations would be perfectly okay with me though.

Incidentally, I would also like a female sexbot... but again, it would need some kind of AI or it would just be a huge doll to me. (Not that a huge doll would be bad... though they kind of give me the creeps a little, the closer they come to human size. But that's because I'm paranoid.)

I'll stop rambling now.

Forgot to add... as far as what gets women aroused, an erection (which IS a sign of a man's arousal) is pretty arousing for most women. However, it gets more complicated from there. It's always hot to know you're wanted. But it takes more than just that to keep it going. I'm sure it's the same for men.

Of course, standards for handsomeness in men is usually (depending on the culture) a lot more lax than prettiness is for women. Though everyone has personal taste regarding what makes a woman or man look attractive.

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