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August 16, 2007

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and yet these are the same stock who gave the world the rape of nanking.

maybe a lot of these complaining women are just plain ugly?

There are alot of phytoestrogens in the Japanese diet that might competitively occupy androgen receptors in the human male, much like the drug flutamide does for male-to-female transexuals here in America. There is a downside in consuming too MUCH soy, green teas, rice sterols, and a few other plant sterols. They might make you somewhat less "anxious" if you take all this in to the exclusion of other foods.

Bourbon-alcoholics often face effeminization of their bodies after a while. They experience breast enlargement, lessening of beard, body, and even pubic hair, low libido or no libido, leg edema, etc.

A few years ago, the Beijing government took to promoting recreational sex in the belief that Chinese couples were not "doing it" enough in that they were having sex only to have kids.

The low libido may be dietary caused. Or maybe East Asians simply have naturally lower libido. In any case, the East Asian societies are a lot less "socio-biological" than most other societies (especially Latin America and Africa) where you have the continuous alpha-male competition, which gets quite nauseating after a while.

Miles: "Bourbon-alcoholics often face effeminization of their bodies after a while. They experience breast enlargement, lessening of beard, body, and even pubic hair..."

HUH???? Are you making this up?? What causes this, is it the grain or the charred oak barrels? Am I OK as I usually stick to (well aged) tequila?

I know drinking beer gives you hooters, but I thought that was just becuase it also makes you fat.

I've always considered the Japanese to be the closest to the real life equivalent to the Borg. Their society feels like a bizzare collective where everybody looks alike and they come across as so emotionless when compared to other ethnic groups.

but all Japanese women know about the problem of husbands who allegedly don't have time to have sex because they are too busy working.

Maybe it's because the men are perusing the semi-legal prostitution options that are widely availible in Japan. Or they're having sex with one of the young teenage women who date older men for money.

other societies (especially Latin America and Africa) where you have the continuous alpha-male competition

And we don't have continuous alpha-male competition here in America????????

bristlecone, I've never heard of this alleged problem with bourbon, but I'll spin it for you. Think of it as the equivalent of a large masculine jawbone, or for antlered animals a large rack of antlers - a burden that your overwhelming masculinity can easily absorb.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it - with a Knob Creek on the rocks and a decent cigar to accompany it.

Maybe the difference is that American women are more capable of arranging affairs without paperwork and official approval.

Maybe Japanese women sometimes get bored, and feel the need to blame their partners for their infidelities. There's nothing new or particularly Japanese about "He doesn't appreciate me."

Feminization of alcoholics has to do with liver damage. What breaks down the estrogens in your body? Your liver, natch. It's similar to the reason meds can cause birth control pills to fail by increasing their metabolism.

Fat also produces estrogens by itself...thus, man-boobs in fat guys.

Bourbon-alcoholics often face effeminization of their bodies after a while. They experience breast enlargement, lessening of beard, body, and even pubic hair, low libido or no libido, leg edema, etc.

Wait, so Maker's Mark will make me prettier (except for the edema)? I'll drink to that.

Edema your ass. You seen alcoholic women? Sure you might get bigger boobs, but you also start retching blood (the vein that carries blood from your gut to your liver gets backed up and the blood winds up in your esophagus veins, which can't take the pressure), turn an unhealthy shade of yellow (ever notice how old bruises turn yellow? that stuff's floating around in your blood until your liver gets rid of it), get a nasty swollen belly (fluid collects in your belly), and your breath smells like an open grave. (Look up 'hepatic fetor', which sounds more like a Star Trek villain to me.)

Fat also produces estrogens by itself...thus, man-boobs in fat guys.

There are two types of man boob with different causes. Bitch tits, the more serious type, consist of glandular tissue, just like a woman's hooters. They can be genetic but more common result from careless steroid use. Surgery is the only remedy. Fat man boobs are the less serious form and basically are just excess fat deposits. In most instances, reducing body fat is a satisfactory remedy.

Jesus, SFG. Fine, I'll stick to weed.

Hard liquor is not healthy for anybody. It only has bad effects. It's not red wine.

I don't find Asian women attractive generally. Too skinny. I need some junk in the trunk.

I agree Jack. Most Asian women seem rather boyish to me, and that's not attractive to me. OTOH, most black women are too fat, and have too much junk in the trunk. White women can have a wide range where some are just as skinny as Asian girls and others who are just as fat as black women.

Ummm... they're either closet gays, or guys that just don't like their wives, so they go boink a prostitute.

I think it shows that societal expectations and conformity play a much greater role in the lives of Japanese than of mainstream Americans. Few American men would see any purpose in marrying someone they weren't going to have sex with. Marriage is difficult and risky enough WITH sex; without it, what's the point?

Also, American society really doesn't seem to push men into marriage. Occasionally an older couple has set me up with someone, but, in general, the mainstream view seems to be "if you meet someone in high school or college, it might be OK to marry them, but you really shouldn't actively look for a relationship." I know more guys who would like to be married but aren't than guys who have experienced pressure to get married.

(in fairness, I've heard reports of the occasional sexless marriages in the US too, but it is considered freakish, not a trend)

I think it shows that societal expectations and conformity play a much greater role in the lives of Japanese than of mainstream Americans.

Do they play less of a role here or are our societal expectations simply different?

Do they play less of a role here or are our societal expectations simply different?

Well, that's rather philosophical and I've never been to Japan. But many have said that we live in a more individualized / independent society in general. For instance, the article (I think?) reported that employees are expected to sit at their desks until very late at night and then drink together. At most American workplaces, working until 10:00 pm every night would be acceptable but not obligatory. If American employers booted workers from their cubes every day at 4:59 pm here, then you would have a "different" but equivalent standard.

But specifically to sex & marriage, singleness seems to be increasing, so people are free to not marry (or often just unable to marry a satisfactory partner), but people are also getting married which indicates that society deems either choice acceptable. Even George & Elaine's experiences with celibacy did not subject them to much shame, ridicule, or violence/intimidation.

Teenagers do sometimes cite "peer pressure" as a reason for sexual debut, but I'm not sure how honest that is (and I may have even read some studies challenging that notion).

Teenagers do sometimes cite "peer pressure" as a reason for sexual debut, but I'm not sure how honest that is (and I may have even read some studies challenging that notion).

K, if you have any cites I'd be interested.

K, if you have any cites I'd be interested.

I'd gladly provide them if they were within reach, but I can't even remember for sure if I actually saw such a study, and have spent too much time blogging lately to search now.

Since I couldn't remember for sure, I did try to qualify with may have even, but I probably should just have left that point out.

Also, if it wasn't clear, the "George & Elaine" in question were Seinfeld characters in episode 135, The Abstinence, November 21, 1996.

Hard liquor is not healthy for anybody. It only has bad effects. It's not red wine.

It's the quantity of liquor that's the problem. Too much water will kill you, but no normal person ever drinks enough for it to be a problem. Google 'hyponatremia'.

SFG: So how much can I increase my bust without destroying my liver?

According to Rushton's theory, you all should know sex drive is inverse related to IQ. Rushton is as good as Darwin.

Me and my big mouth. I don't actually know if women get bigger boobs from liver damage. Given all the other nasty things that come with it, I'd say forget it.

According to Rushton's theory, you all should know sex drive is inverse related to IQ.

... and he also says that IQ is inversely related to penis size, don't forget that.

I don't actually know if women get bigger boobs from liver damage.

SFG, must we equate all bourbon consumption with liver damage? You never seemed like a temperance nut to me ... but now you've got Makers Mark, liver failure and hepatic fetor inextricably linked in my mind, at least through the weekend.

Spungen, you can forget about liver failure and hepatic fetor by doing some heavy drinking... :)

Here LADIES:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=1755515&dopt=AbstractPlus


Thats one study of bourbon and effiminization. Talk to a doc who is EXPERIENCED with alcoholics like my grandfathers (who died a drunk). You can find this out for yourselves.

More for the girls (about beta sitosterol from pine sources----which are the highest content compounds of this fatty sterol) and fish sexual downstream (no pun intended) phenomena:

"Environmental Toxicology and Chemistry
Article: pp. 2890–2897 | Abstract | PDF (149K)

ACCUMULATION OF LIGANDS FOR ARYL HYDROCARBON AND SEX STEROID RECEPTORS IN FISH EXPOSED TO TREATED EFFLUENT FROM A BLEACHED SULFITE/GROUNDWOOD PULP AND PAPER MILL
L. Mark Hewitt1, Andrea C. Pryce2, Joanne L. Parrott1, Vicki Marlatt2, Craig Wood3, Kenneth Oakes2, and Glen J. Van Der Kraak2

1. Aquatic Ecosystem Protection Research Branch, National Water Research Institute, Environment Canada, Burlington, Ontario L7R 4A6, 2. Department of Zoology, University of Guelph, Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1, Canada, 3. NexFor Technology (Noranda Technology Centre), Pointe-Claire, Quebec H9R 1G5, Canada

The accumulation of ligands for the aryl hydrocarbon receptor (AhR) and fish sex steroid receptors was investigated using two separate controlled fish exposures to final effluent from a bleached sulfite/groundwood mill in New Brunswick, Canada. In the first experiment, hepatic tissue extracts from exposed fish were fractionated according to lipophilicity. Fractions with different octanol–water (Kow) partition coefficients were tested for the presence of bioavailable chemicals that function as ligands for the AhR in H4IIE cells, rainbow trout hepatic estrogen receptors (ER), goldfish testicular androgen receptors (AR), and goldfish sex steroid binding protein (SSBP). Fish accumulated ligands for each receptor after 4-d exposure to effluent. Single fractions contained ligands for the AhR and the ER, while multiple fractions competed for the AR and SSBP. Fish also accumulated ligands for the AhR and SSBP from Saint John River dilution water, indicating upstream sources of bioactive substances. Semipermeable-membrane devices deployed concurrently with fish accumulated ligands from effluent for all receptors except the ER. In the second experiment, accumulated ligands were evaluated after exposure of fish to effluent for two different durations and following a depuration period. Hepatic mixed function oxygenase activity and whole-liver hormonal activity, measured as binding to SSBP, returned to background following 6 d depuration and were reduced but still significant after 12-d exposure to effluent. Whole-liver extract affinities for the AR were maintained after extended exposure and depuration, indicating the potential for AR ligands to bioaccumulate. The accumulation of AhR ligands and ligands for sex steroid receptors provides a mechanistic linkage to effects on growth, development, and performance of fish exposed to effluent from this and other mills.

Keywords: Endocrine disruption, Pulp mill effluent, Sex steroid receptor, Aryl hydrocarbon receptor, Mixed function oxygenase induction

Received: April 30, 2002; Accepted: October 29, 2002


:...note, its unwise to ever doubt me----I dont post anything unless Im pretty damned sure about it. From now own, I'll just post studies along with any claims.

Real Men Don't Drink Bourbon?
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The startling study was enough to drive men to drink. According to a report released last week by the Alcohol, Drug Abuse and Mental Health Administration, bourbon, America's beloved corn squeezings, contains female-type sex hormones that may be responsible for the "feminized" appearance—enlarged breasts and beardless faces—of some alcoholic men. The culprit, wrote Judith Gavaler, a Medical Researcher at the University of Pittsburgh, may be phytoes- trogen, a female-type hormone found in corn.

"I grabbed my head to see if my hair was still there," said Art Hancock, Executive Vice President of Jack Daniel Distillery, theTennessee sour-mash whisky maker. "In the past two years, we have had so much adverse publicity about the effects of hard liquor, it is almost like having Prohibition back." His worry is premature. According to Gavaler, phytoestrogen is also prevalent in wheat, rice and hops, as well as peanut, soybean and olive oil.


Thats from this article,
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,952441,00.html

Shall I go on KITTENS?


Didn't explain myself. And no, I'm not a temperance nut, although it is true that some people can't stop drinking, which is due to a polymorphism in some genes we'll pick out one of these days.

What I meant was that the man-boobs come as a result of a man's liver not detoxifying the estrogens that build up normally (estrogen's made from testosterone, in one of life's stranger ironies). So a) I'm not sure how important this would be in women, who already have higher levels of circulating estrogens (there's a maximum response in most dose-response effects in biology; taking six grams of estrogen will not give you a size 86 bust) and b) even if it did, the bigger boobs are a result of the liver damage. So sure you could drink moderately, but it wouldn't help your bust.

If you're serious (which I doubt), you could get breast implants, which strikes me as a lot safer than liver damage.

Looks like miles specifically meant bourbon; I stand corrected.

Kittens? Toxo. You stayed away from cats while pregnant, right Spungen?

Rushton theory: IQ inversely related to penis size, sex drive, androgen level, domination, number of sex partners. Spungen, do you want me list all his findings?

IQ positive related to life expectancy, shyness, future orientation, ect.

Spungen, do you want me list all his findings?

Nope, the smaller-penis one will do just fine, thanks.

To Spungen,

Finally I understand your obsession

Well, I actually -live- in Japan, and I think the prostitution explanation as well as the reasons for marriage fit best, though the lower libidos no doubt contribute.

Marriage in Japan is a lot more socially oriented and is about linking familes and/or fulfilling duties to your parents. The love-sex marriage idea is not number one by any means, though the younger generations of course work on that.

Bottom line : the reports are no doubt true.

Well, I actually -live- in Japan, and I think the prostitution explanation as well as the reasons for marriage fit best, though the lower libidos no doubt contribute.

Marriage in Japan is a lot more socially oriented and is about linking familes and/or fulfilling duties to your parents. The love-sex marriage idea is not number one by any means, though the younger generations of course work on that.

Bottom line : the reports are no doubt true.

It's sad to hear about this phenomenon in the sense that why aren't there nice-looking young Japanese women voluteers going around the West and laying computer nerd virginal types? ≡8(

i wanna know

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