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December 14, 2007

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Well that's an easy one; they have a genetic advantage in athletics - namely those muscles that got Jimmy the Greek fired for mentioning on the air. And in return for God granting them athletic ability, He took away some of their brains.

I don't see much surprising in this. Blacks who get involved in sports tend to focus on those in which it's possible to make serious money: football, basketball, sprinting (money via endorsements), baseball to a somewhat lesser extent. There'd probably be more blacks in golf and tennis, two more money-making sports, if those sports didn't require so much expensive youth coaching. Devoting one's high school and college years to sports in which you can't make money, that's a particularly white indulgence.

Half Sigma says:
"Inferior black performance in mental activities is always blamed on bad environment, but somehow blacks have overcome their environment when it comes to success at athletic activities."

Or it could mean that the Blacks who do participate try harder since many Blacks view sports as the "only" way out of their often crappy predicaments.

It's very similar to the study you linked yesterday. The true point of that study was that concentrated effort was important to weight loss, not that the benefits of exercise are a placebo affect.

DML's right, dominance in professional athletics is determined by the far right end of the normal distribution, not the mean.

You guys need to learn how to read a demographic data chart. It broke down on white black and on male female. However, the chart did not have the cross comparison of white females versus black females.

My first guess is that much of the difference is at least partially due to the race differences of females. Look at a picture of virtually every NCAA championship team in women's sports. Overwhelmingly white.

Also, the HBCU are the worst universities for compliance with Title IX.

Sigma,

On average WEST African males have larger BONE STRUCTURES than white males do. Look at the wrists and ankles and shoulders. The term "skinny white boy" has been around for a while. Whites, especially norther-European evolved ones, are usually built much more like the elegant northeast Africans rather than the more muscular and stockier west Africans. Bone structure is the blank slate a bodybuilder is stuck with when he begins to create and craft a body in the gym. This is the primary sporting advantange (other than more fast-twitch muscle fiber) that black males have over white males athletically.

One more thing on speed and strength: Beaucoup football teams have that stereotypical white fullback who is 5-11 and 240 that can squat over 700 lbs with big thighs. He is almost always suprisingly fast in straight line when timed (usually around a 4.6), but isn't as fast on the football field as the time would seemingly predict. Black cornerbacks who dont pump iron nearly as hard run sub-4.5 and can outsprint the guy despite only squatting 350 lbs. My point-------------how fast you can PICK UP YOUR FEET, which is tied to the glute muscles, lower balk muscles and hamstrings, has alot to do with how fast you are RUNNING. Notice how many speed skaters look like fullbacks from the waist down? Its all push in that event. This speed scenario is played out alot on the football field with black vs. whites when it comes to pure speed. Ive noticed it for years.

miles,

One should note that cornerbacks perform a drastically different function than fullbacks, and CBs and Safeties generally go about 185 - 200 lbs. Quickly checking the Eagles roster, the heaviest CB is 200 lbs, and hte only fullback is 243. Carrying 43 more pounds - muscle, fat, bone, water, your grandmother's corpse - is going to slow a man down.

ObTopic: Reading the link, black children exercise at a rate of 69.1%, whites at a rate of 73.5%. IT'S HUMAN BIODIVERSITY OMG

My first guess is that much of the difference is at least partially due to the race differences of females. Look at a picture of virtually every NCAA championship team in women's sports. Overwhelmingly white.

So are most men's teams. The exceptions are football - which is a men-only sport - and basketball - a sport for which many women's teams are also largely minority.

"black children exercise at a rate of 69.1%, whites at a rate of 73.5%"

I agree with you that an average difference of 4.4% provides no way to draw meaningful conclusions.

Also, the HBCU are the worst universities for compliance with Title IX.

I eagerly await the press, liberals, feminists, etc... to move quickly address this injustice! But maybe if HBCUs do it it is OK and "overlooked." Must be too busy at Duke.

Other races probably stray from regular exercise because they don't have access to the same resources that white kids do. When I was a kid, the main reason for me exercising was that my high school had a multi million dollar recreational complex. I imagine that if my school had some crappy gym, I wouldn't have exercised nearly as much.

"When I was a kid, the main reason for me exercising was that my high school had a multi million dollar recreational complex. I imagine that if my school had some crappy gym, I wouldn't have exercised nearly as much."


Running, push-ups, sit-ups and don't require a fancy gym. In fact, they don't cost a thing. Blacks don't mind spending big money on sneakers either.

Running, push-ups, sit-ups and don't require a fancy gym. In fact, they don't cost a thing. Blacks don't mind spending big money on sneakers either.

Those sorts of exercises aren't what I would call enjoyable. Why do you think the military has soldiers do those kinds of exercises as punishment? It makes sense that black kids aren't doing more enjoyable types of exercises since those tend to expensive.

Also, going to the gym for exercise is a white thing to do. It's cool for middle class white kids to go to the gym with their I-pods and 60 dollar a month memberships. For black kids, this would make you an "Oreo," and is therefore unacceptable.

Also, money is the same reason why black kids aren't partaking in recreational sports either. Many of these activities run 300 a month. A pair of Nike's is a one-time 300 fee. There is no doubt a difference in costs.

Also, going to the gym for exercise is a white thing to do. It's cool for middle class white kids to go to the gym with their I-pods and 60 dollar a month memberships. For black kids, this would make you an "Oreo," and is therefore unacceptable.

Looks like nobody bothered to tell the people at the gym where I go. The area's population is maybe 20% to 25% minority, and the percentages are about the same at the gym.

For black kids, this would make you an "Oreo," and is therefore unacceptable.

From what I've seen, there are few gyms in a black neighbourhood, and many black people don't want to be the only black person at the white gym.

Hell, it's why I don't ride my bike around my neighbourhood during the summer or use the local gym...

Peter,

So let me get this straight. Your not surprised that minority groups exercise less than whites, but your telling me that the ratio of whites to minority's is the same in neighborhood your gym is located?? These sound like contradictory statements to me.

So let me get this straight. Your not surprised that minority groups exercise less than whites, but your telling me that the ratio of whites to minority's is the same in neighborhood your gym is located?? These sound like contradictory statements to me.

The part that didn't surprise me was that blacks have a lower rate of team-sport participation, as they focus on the relatively small number of sports in which it's possible to make money. Black exercise rate are a separate issue.

Mmmm-hmmm. OK.

Despite the fact that you all are blathering on about a FOUR PERCENTAGE POINT difference, perhaps you could donate some of your Sigma-generated cash so that each public school with a predominance of children of color has full team lacrosse and squash facilities and a field hockey setup.

Then perhaps you'd see your precious differential dissipate.

whatever,

Building a lacrosse field in Anacostia High school in DC would be a waste of resources. None of the students there have any experience playing lacrosse. There is no junior lacrosse leagues in Southeast DC. None of the parents have ever played lacrosse.

A more interesting question is competative cheerleading. Given the large interest in dance in the black community, it is amazing how few black girls are involved in competative cheerleading. However, when you look at the resumes of college cheerleaders such as the Songgirls at USC, you see that being a cheerleader means you have been taking dance, gymnastics, and cheerleading lessons since they were four or five years old.

Those sorts of exercises aren't what I would call enjoyable. Why do you think the military has soldiers do those kinds of exercises as punishment? It makes sense that black kids aren't doing more enjoyable types of exercises since those tend to expensive.

Those kinds of exercises are what get you into shape and build endurance and toughness. They are not supposed to be "fun." Fun is drinking beer, chasing tail on Saturday nights and video games. I lift and I don't consider it fun, but I am doing it for the results, not for enjoyment.

There is no junior lacrosse leagues in Southeast DC. None of the parents have ever played lacrosse.

If each high school in Southeast DC established a lacrosse team with appropriate facilities and equipment, one could solve that problem. The question is if the facilities and equipment were available, would black students play a sport with nearly no black presence and no chance of making millions in a professional league, or at minimum, or little scholarship money at a college with less than selective admissions standards?

A more interesting question is competative cheerleading.

Some black schools may have something called "stepping" which is hard to describe, but it's a cross between tap dancing, gymnastics, and marching. It's the de facto black version of cheerleading, and it's very popular at HBCUs.

In effect, the few black cheerleaders who exist have their pick of the HBCUs, and there's no market for them at most mainstream colleges. They're not "appealing", and their white competition was essentially raised to become cheerleaders with the dance, gymnastics, and cheerleading lessons. Most black girls simply lack that background.

David,

Any school that have black fraternities have step shows.

After seeing the Kappas with their canes and the Omega who always seemed to be former high school athletes, I have always wondered if the Ivy leagues or elite universities have black fraternities and step shows. Maybe going to an university that has step shows is a sign of being a prole if you are white.

For Lacrosse, field hockey, swimming, diving, baseball, tennis, and golf, one of the problems facing almost all blue collar families and most blacks is that you need to start early. Football is a sport that can wait until 6th or 7th grade. Swimming and tennis needs to be started when you are four. Also, even sports like lacrosse requires summer camps, lessons, and private leagues. The black community only seems to support that structure for boys basketball.

Although blacks dominate in the area of professional sports, according to a government report, black children are less likely to participate in regular physical activity than white children.

Also, white kids are nearly twice as likely to participate in "organized physical activity" (in other words team sports).

Granting that the difference in amounts of exercise might be too small to matter, that isn't necessarily going to stop some of us from speculating, and my speculation is that the standard white approach to exercise could easily be worse than nothing.

I believe that people didn't evolve to exercise, we evolved to move--to move for fun, for work, for survival, for just about anything other than proving we're doing the right thing.

It's possible that unorganized movement-- dance and street games-- builds more athletic ability than culturally sanctioned exercise.

Blacks are more recruited for college and professional sports because they are more likey to have a criminal background and throw games. Before you discount this possibility as plausible, you should understand how much money is involved in gambling in college and professional sports. For the NFL, 100 billion a year is a very conservative number. This dwarfs the TV revenue and gates from the games themselves. Other sports are similar. Here's and interesting fact: blacks from Florida, Texas, and California make up the vast bulk of black college recruits, yet it is New York state that has the largest black population of any state. New York's numbers are way down. Florida, Texas, and California are the states which are the portal for the illegal drugs that enter the United States, and the gangs that run those enterprises are the wealthiest. Does it surprise anyone that players who commit felonies are kept in the league when so many other players could play? Lots of NFL players are members of organized crime, i.e. street gangs. How much of an ethical problem would they have throwing a game?

In fact, many NFL teams are owned by people with ties to gambling and organized crime. If you took the time to look at the subject, and not assume that everything is on the up and up, you might see a little more of the truth.

P.S. Case in point, Michael Vick. You heard all about how he was involved in dogfighting. Less emphasized was that he was involved in an illegal gambling ring, and he bankrolled it. Yet he was only prosecuted on the dogfighting charge. Also, the laws agaisnt dogfighting passed by the feds were passed after he was arrested and committed such crimes, yet he was convicted on the federal charges anyway, which had sentencing less severe than the state laws. His lawyers conveniently forgot to note this in their defense on the federal charges. Now they want Vick to be dismissed form the state charges because he can't be tried twice for the same crime.

See how it all works?

Wow, that's sneaky. Violating the guy's constitutional rights (the law was passed after he did the deed) so he can get off the real charges!

Man, lawyers are SMART! Hey spungen, how old can I be and still go to law school?

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