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December 16, 2007

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16!!!?? Anybody know which pygmy groups that applies? I can't believe that...

Are those average life spans or expectancies? Are they old at 16?

It seems to be a life expectancy from birth, and since they live in the jungle without modern medicine, they die young from disease and accidents.

But I also read that Pygmies over the age of 50 are very rare. Their natural lifespan seems to be shorter than regular humans.

I don't get it - are we gloating? Give me a little more direction here. The headline seemed glib enough, but there wasn't enough schadenfreude in the text.

Future-time orientation seems to be associated very strongly with IQ.

Is this why nerds like science fiction?

"Future-time orientation seems to be associated very strongly with IQ."

We are all going to die, humanity will go extinct, the sun will go nova, and the universe will suffer heat death. What's the point?

Fortunately my IQ is so low that I'm more concerned with the pleasures and pains of the now.

If you think their life spans are bad, the pygmies are also hunted and eaten by the Bantu. Poor bastards. Only in Africa.

Well Robert Reich does have a regular radio column.

This is very interesting:

Bantus, for their part, say Pygmies are an uneducated, less advanced people who still rely on the guidance of their Bantu masters to survive.

Isn't this hypocrisy? Many black people complain that some of their ancestors have been slaves 200 years ago, demanding many things such as financial retribution, while in the same time they enslave other people based on education and how advanced they. Well, 200 years ago, they were savages.

This is very interesting:

Bantus, for their part, say Pygmies are an uneducated, less advanced people who still rely on the guidance of their Bantu masters to survive.

Isn't this hypocrisy? Many black people complain that some of their ancestors have been slaves 200 years ago, demanding many things such as financial retribution, while in the same time they enslave other people based on education and how advanced they. Well, 200 years ago, they were savages.

Well I guess it is true there's always someone worse off than you. I think I feel a little better now.

I don't get it - are we gloating? Give me a little more direction here. The headline seemed glib enough, but there wasn't enough schadenfreude in the text.

Ah, yes. The pygmy. Our ancient foe! Let us rejoice in his misfortune.

Isn't this hypocrisy? Many black people complain that some of their ancestors have been slaves 200 years ago, demanding many things such as financial retribution, while in the same time they enslave other people based on education and how advanced they. Well, 200 years ago, they were savages.

You're confusing Bantus with African-Americans. Two different (if genetically related) groups. :-)

"Bantus, for their part, say Pygmies are an uneducated, less advanced people who still rely on the guidance of their Bantu masters to survive."

If that isn't the pot calling the kettle heavily carbonized!

One of the points raised in the recent book A Farewell to Alms was that life in hunter-gatherer societies isn't necessarily bad. Many such societies are able to meet their food requirements with just a few hours of hunting and foraging each day, in sharp contrast to people in settled agricultural societies, many of whom have to work essentially from dawn to dusk every day. Life expectancies of H-G societies aren't necessarily any lower than those of settled agriculturalists.

It really sounds as if the woes besetting the Pygmies result largely from competition with nearby agriculturalists rather than from factors inherent in Pygmy society.

Pretty disturbing, but also educational. The genetics of life expectancy could be very interesting to study race difference.

Rushton's r-k theory seems very applicable in this case.

I know Rosner, and have met Langan on two occasions. They are smokin' brilliant. Certainly two of the smartest people on earth.

Try the Titan Test. Or the others in Omni in the 1980s, like Langdon's Test or Mega Test. Sure, diss them as a joke, only because you can hardly do any of the problems.

You can't shoot three pointers like Jordan, either.

Rosner writes "I decided to try living as a regular dumb person" and "took the SAT's for other people (with styrofoam blocks in my cowboy boots to pass for a 6'2" guy whose ID I was using) and once on two hits of LSD as an exercise for a writing class."

How cool is that? Useless, but so?

His tattoo reads "BORN TO DO MATH." He is. Except he doesn't do math. His problem.

Sidis collected streetcar transfers for most of his adult life - these guys haven't done any worse. They have no obligation to any of you to "use" their brains for anything. A pity they haven't - but this is a free country, after all.


PS beware: not all bouncers are supersmart

A nudist resort at Benares,
Took a pygmy in, all unawares.
He made members weep,
For he just couldn't keep,
His nose out of private affairs.

so do female pygmies experience menarche at the age of 4?

But I also read that Pygmies over the age of 50 are very rare. Their natural lifespan seems to be shorter than regular humans.

That is consistent with a high death rate as well as a short natural life span.

I'm smart enough to be a member of Triple Nine, but Langdon and Rosner are way beyond me.

I used to get very frustrated with my parents, who are slightly above average intelligence-wise, for not seeing things that seemed obvious to me and for having limited interests. I have a better perspective now after having viewed the Youtube interviews with these two guys and reading some the articles on the Mega Foundation site. I can't follow a lot of the material, nor can I evaluate the quality of their claims or arguments. Very humbling! My intellectual pursuits pale in comparison to these people's interests. (structure of reality, advanced math, logic, philosophy).

Sometimes I wonder about how someone beyond Langdon or Sidis would be like. What would he think? What would he see? A pity that none of us will know for sure.

I'm smart enough to be a member of Triple Nine, but Langdon and Rosner are way beyond me.

I used to get very frustrated with my parents, who are slightly above average intelligence-wise, for not seeing things that seemed obvious to me and for having limited interests. I have a better perspective now after having viewed the Youtube interviews with these two guys and reading some the articles on the Mega Foundation site. I can't follow a lot of the material, nor can I evaluate the quality of their claims or arguments. Very humbling! My intellectual pursuits pale in comparison to these people's interests. (structure of reality, advanced math, logic, philosophy).

Sometimes I wonder about how someone beyond Langdon or Sidis would be like. What would he think? What would he see? A pity that none of us will know for sure.

Davila Djemba, the teenage niece of the country's minister of forestry, is eager to show off some of the 100 Pygmies her family owns.

Jesus Christ! Where is the rule of law?

Jean-Pierre Bemba, the group's leader, has said he was "shocked" by reports that his troops ate people.

Count me shocked too. Awful.

When I heard reports of Congolese rebels not only gang raping women but often forcing them to eat the flesh of savagely slaughtered husbands and children, sometimes after forcing mothers to perform sexual acts with their own children, I thought I had heard it all. But this kind of superstitious cannibalism, seemingly based upon a recent urban legend, is something new and newly disturbing. The entire range of human depravity seems to be present in that accursed nation in Central Africa.

reading some the articles on the Mega Foundation site. I can't follow a lot of the material, nor can I evaluate the quality of their claims or arguments.

If you're referring to Langan's retarded musings on cosmology, I'm guessing the reason you can't follow his arguments is because they don't make sense.

Instead of "halfsigma," how about "halfstormfront"?

It's like Stormfront, but without the anti-Semitism, and more polite discontent towards the stupid brown people mixed in with periodic social commentary that serves as a redeeming factor...

My intellectual pursuits pale in comparison to these people's interests. (structure of reality, advanced math, logic, philosophy).
None of which are actually useful for anything (except advanced math). They are sort of fun to ponder at odd hours of the night though.

It's like Stormfront, but without the anti-Semitism, and more polite discontent towards the stupid brown people mixed in with periodic social commentary that serves as a redeeming factor...

So you're thinking of 'American Renaissance'. :)

Ah, yes. The pygmy. Our ancient foe! Let us rejoice in his misfortune.

I'm still giggling at this one.

When I heard reports of Congolese rebels not only gang raping women but often forcing them to eat the flesh of savagely slaughtered husbands and children, sometimes after forcing mothers to perform sexual acts with their own children, I thought I had heard it all. ... The entire range of human depravity seems to be present in that accursed nation in Central Africa.

Tommy, it's well-documented that in wartime former Yugoslavia, Serb soldiers would force Muslim and Croat prisoners to rape and bite off the genitals of friends and family. Such depravity is, unfortunately, not limited to the Africans.

It's like Stormfront, but without the anti-Semitism, and more polite discontent towards the stupid brown people mixed in with periodic social commentary that serves as a redeeming factor...

HS must be asleep. Glad I got to enjoy this before deletion.

Tommy, it's well-documented that in wartime former Yugoslavia, Serb soldiers would force Muslim and Croat prisoners to rape and bite off the genitals of friends and family.

Documented where and by whom?

Sounds like war propaganda to me. And still aways away off widespread voluntary cannibalism.

Calling this site "half storm front" without any reason, evidence, or justification is utterly obscene, disgusting, low-class (ok, high class, unfortunately for rational debate in america), and seeks to all but dehumanize.

I like the sound of "Half Sigma: Stormfront for smart people!" It has a nice ring to it.

But this is a very interesting story. It's rare that you hear about one group of people looking down on another group of people as being inferior and I'd like to thank Half Sigma for this insightful article.

Seriously though, I wonder what BBQ pygmy tastes like...

"...what BBQ pygmy tastes like"

Humans flesh tastes a lot like pig, and also has the white look, consistency, smell and fat amount of porcine flesh. Human flesh is known as LONG PIG in some parts of the world. That is maybe also the reason why Judaism and Islam banished pig eating, because it's difficult to distinguish human from pig meat.

"...what BBQ pygmy tastes like"

Humans flesh tastes a lot like pig, and also has the white look, consistency, smell and fat amount of porcine flesh. Human flesh is known as LONG PIG in some parts of the world. That is maybe also the reason why Judaism and Islam banished pig eating, because it's difficult to distinguish human from pig meat.

Sounds like war propaganda to me. And still aways away off widespread voluntary cannibalism.

If true, it's far worse than cannibalism, IMO.

Tommy, it's well-documented that in wartime former Yugoslavia, Serb soldiers would force Muslim and Croat prisoners to rape and bite off the genitals of friends and family.
It's not uncommon for real atrocities to be embellished with exaggerated ones. Rape I could see, biting off the genitals seems a little too much to believe. The Nazis did kill millions of Jews, but the stories about making soap and lampshades out of their bodies appear to have been false.

I knew a guy who fought for the Croatians during the war over there. He saw some very unpleasant stuff up, to and including what we would call war crimes(executions of civilians, looting, indiscriminate use of weapons, targeting civilians and non-military stuff, etc...), but no biting off of genitals, forced or otherwise. But plenty of bad stuff went on for sure, no embellishment needed.

HS must be asleep. Glad I got to enjoy this before deletion.
I doubt he'll delete DA. Besides, all the NYT crowd is gone by now.

so do female pygmies experience menarche at the age of 4?

Don't tell Gannon.

As for wartime atrocities, think of the worst people you've ever met. Give them a hunting knife, an assault rifle, and ten people. What do you imagine someone might do with that kind of power and no fear of punishment. Probably there are only mild embellishments, and the worst crimes, we never hear about because the victims are dead.

I think the relationship between Africans and pygmy in terms of cannibalism, and our subsequent revulsion, perfectly illustrate the immorality of meat eating.

OK, I've got it. Guys, when you use to begin italics, don't forget to use to close it. (no spaces) Otherwise all the next comments get italicized too.

From the anthro page:

"Life in the forest is fine in a group, but it is nearly impossible to survive alone."

Not only that, words on a forest-y background are nearly impossible to read!

I think the relationship between Africans and pygmy in terms of cannibalism, and our subsequent revulsion, perfectly illustrate the immorality of meat eating.

As PETA used to say: A rat is a pygmie is a dog is a boy.

"As PETA used to say: A rat is a pygmie is a dog is a boy."

Which means they see violence against people as being no big deal.

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