Ron Paul's weird anti-Semitic debate question to McCain

Yesterday I wrote the following about Ron Paul’s question to McCain:

9:52 PM: Ron Paul asks McCain about the "working group on financial markets." (This group is believed, by goldbug conspiracy theorists [who call it the "plunge protection team"], to be engaged in evil conspiracy stuff, probably having something to do with the Jews.) McCain looks like he has no idea what Ron Paul is getting at, but he talks about his experience in the Senate working with financial issues.

The Stormfront White Nationalist people agree with my take on this question, as evidenced by the following comment left on the Stormfront forums:

Ron Paul asked John McCain if he would kick out all those israelis who have taken over our government.

I cannot believe Ron Paul asked that question..it was fantastic.

Think of that..getting rid of the 'advisors' that Bush uses..in other words every frickin jew that now freely roams the WH like princes..deciding when and how much little bit of money we get to use..

Sure, it would have been nice to here something about immigration (we all know where they stand on the war) but cheap labor and the jewish lobby down breeding Americans is the heart of the problem..

I know there are a lot of guests, and they need to be aware of the amount of israelis who inhabit Bush's 'inner circle' ..for God's sake the sec of DHS is a dual citizenship quack who hasn't done anything for border security, in spite of it being signed into law and funded.

I couldn't be prouder of Ron Paul for asking a real question..not some fake neocon back and forth.

You Ron Paul supporters think I’m making this stuff up and falsely accusing him of anti-Semitism. I’m not. His friends at Stormfront understood exactly what he meant. Why else would Paul ask such a weird question instead of something that normal non-Stormfront people watching the debate would actually understand, and that might actually promote libertarianism?

Comments

[Gamma Man]

Just because you share the same obsessions (albeit in a slightly different form) with the Stormfront crowd doesn´t mean you´re both right in your reading of Paul´s question.

Paul didn´t mention the Jews around Bush we all know are non-existent.

[hugh go naught]

Please, HS. One of your claims is having a high IQ, but your continuing illogical smear of Ron Paul is betraying that claim. Let's try an example to help clear this up for you:

This is an alternative universe where Roe v. Wade did not occur...

John Smith is a Democratic presidential candidate. One of his positions is that abortion should be legal.
The Church of Euthanasia* is a radical group that advocates extreme measures to control the human population (as they believe humans to be a virus and worthy of extinction).

After giving a speech advocating a federal law protecting a woman's right to an abortion, John Smith is hailed by the CoE as their ideal candidate. They put out a press release containing such items as: "Smith's proposed law would kill more humans than even the noble experiment of Stalinist Russia - it's a wonderful thing!"

Now, would a person be justified to equate John Smith's defense of a federal law protecting the legality of abortion with the intended ends of the CoE? There is no doubt some partisan hacks would attempt to make this comparison, but the question is whether such logic is sound.

* - they really exist!

HS - you've really gone off the deep end on this.

You're as goddamn nuts as the stormfront crowd - you both see the same shadows where there are none. Are you sure you didn't make that post?

Here in the real world where most sane people live, Ron Paul was one of the very few Congressmen to support Israel's bombing of Iraq's nuclear plant in the 80s, idolizes Jewish economists and his many enemies haven't found a single shread of direct, convincing proof he's a racists in 35yrs of public scrutiny.

If Paul a racists, he's a pretty piss poor one with nothing to show for it. There is much more credible proof that HS is clearly the racist with all these insane anti-Paul diatribes because he hates gentiles.

[Flo]

The best advise my father every gaves me was this "keep you mouth shut and they won't know you are crazy" I think this blog should take my fathers advice. LOL

Ron Paul exposed the fact that John McCain know absolutely nothing about our economy.
Period

[Vim]

hugh go naught:

"Please, HS. One of your claims is having a high IQ"

'half sigma' would put him at 107 wouldn't it?

[Spungen]

the jewish lobby down breeding down breeding Americans is the heart of the problem..

Because we know those American Jews breed like rabbits. Especially the sample I see on this blog.

Now I'm curious what the GSS has to say about Jewish birthrates.

[Vim]

spungen:

I could be wrong. As far as I understand the Stormfront crowd (which isn't much) they think Jews encourage immigration and miscegenation while maintaining relative 'racial purity' themselves. I think that's the idea that the quote is getting at.

Since this paper meets the scientific level of this blog, I should mention that Jews are evolved to parasitize white populations particularly in terms of financial institutions ("National History of Askenazi Intelligence", Cochran et al.)

[Half Sigma]

I'll remind Ron Paul supporters that I'm not the one making Ron Paul say this nutty stuff. Why not ask a normal question? He claims to be a libertarian. Why not ask about the failed war on drugs? Or eliminating federal agencies? Or tax reform?

[Bob D]

Half Sigma...The neocons do have a lot of Abe Foxman Likud-type Zionists in as Bush's advisors. Thats not antisemetic. (Aren't the semites a race that include others besides Jews?) thats just fact.

Your comments are anti-Jewish, lumping all Jews to ABE Foxman and the warmongers. Actually most of them are democrats. The Jews could have actually create a very vibrant tolerant culture when they are not
stampeded by fear by craven vultures like you.

How can anyone run for President of the United States and not mention the overwhelming power of the Israeli-First, Zionist extremists in American politics and media. Everyone in Washington, D.C. and in practically the entire world knows that the political fundraising process, Presidential policy and Congressional process is firmly under the control of the Zionists who are using the United States as its worldwide hitman, a role that is doing us irreparable harm. Zionist extremists are the political fundraisers and power brokers and they also dominate the mass media, the single greatest influence in politics.

[JFR-Clay]

Half Sig...The question is very relevant. The group Mr.Paul refered to is the very group that ALL of Mr.McCains so called "advisors" belong to. The answer was terrible. Mr.McCain said that he would trust his advisors, the very members of the working group he was asked if he supports, or would eliminate. Mr.McCain was lost, and am I sure he was ignorant to the fact that the men he propped up is President Bush's finacial team. Four more years would have been the same answer.

[Bill]

HS; I respect your mind and your work at this website. But I think you are going off the deep end with Ron Paul. Rudy Giuliani cashes Muslim checks made out to Giuliani Partners; Ron Paul accepts groups that support him. Maybe both are out to get the Jews by their associations, but I suspect that both guys are OK.

Ron Paul’s question was a good one, and put McCain’s level of knowledge on display. There are funny things that go on with high-level government finance. A trusted source has explained to me that the federal government will not let the big banks fail, as it would be a civilizational issue at this point. Our government is currently in the process of devaluating the dollar, and our savings, to save the banks.

Who are the people who have been given the power to make these decisions? What safeguards are in place to prevent these men from using their privileged positions for personal benefit? There is something rotten at the top, and I question the true purpose of the Federal Reserve. I know it’s not doing anything for my family.

[nobody]

Once again, why is anyone opposed to unconditional pro-Israel stance automatically labeled an anti-semi in this blog? Why is support of Israel in Americas' best interest. Without an explanation, readers of this blog might start to believe that HS does not believe that Americans should put America first.

[SFG]

WTF does 'the working group on financial markets' have to do with the Jews? Yes, I know there are conspiracy theories galore about Jews and banking, but there are plenty of criticisms that can be made about the banking system, particularly from a populist point of view. I'm sorry, but I don't think Big Finance has our best interests in mind, and I don't mind Ron Paul giving his fellow co-republicans a bad time over this.

[DML]

In a way, you're saying you agree with the white racists too(though you probably don't think you're saying this).

All that Jewish crap is stuff coming from Stormfront racists, not Ron Paul. Using your logic, you could say my Mom doesn't like the NBA, and the Klan doesn't like the NBA because it's full of blacks, therefore my mom hates Blacks. See the problem with that?

These posts are getting measurably worse by the day.

Ron Paul elder abuses Econ Expert McCain

Why Ron Paul asked McCain a question about the President’s Working Group on Financial Markets?

(1) McCain's first question of the debate was how he would deal with the economy, now the biggest issue for voters, when he has publicly admitted a number of times he is weak in that area.

McCain angrily replied he didn't know where that quote came from (an obvious lie that many blogs and even some MSM caught). McCain breezily went on to claim that he is an econ expert and experienced/involved in all major national economic questions from his role in the Senate Commerce Committee.

(2) Ron Paul, on the other hand, is a true expert on economic issues and has authored a number of serious works via the Ludwig von Mises Institute (Jew alert HS!).

(3) Paul is cited by the MSM and other candidates as an out of touch nut case for his stances on economics that stem from being a strict constitutionalist. He has been utterly astounded that the other Republican candidates have rejected traditional conservative values and probably views them as hypocrites and out of touch with traditional conservative values (small government, limited government, strict constitutionalist, etc).

I suspect Paul was actually expecting McCain to at least know at least something superficial about the Working Group which must be very busy now in hammering together and/or advising on the stimulus packages being quickly put in place.

Paul was actually putting a point onto his general question (e.g. would you keep it in place, what its role would be) before he realized that McCain didn’t have any idea what he was talking about much less could offer any type of nuanced opinion on the matter. Paul just feel silent, dumbfounded by McCain's total ignorance of how something like who is helping to craft the current stimulus package that is the top issue with voters when he claims to be an econ expert now.

(4) Paul maximized his credibility by destroying McCain, the leading Rep candidate in both the polls and political markets, with a simple open ended yet specific question relevant to the current economic crises. Paul made McCain look like a fool (check McCain’s blank yet annoyed expression as he has no ideal what Paul is talking about) and a liar (McCain couldn’t muster enough BS to even pretend to answer the question and instead started an off-point rambling name dropping routine).

Paul and Romney are clearly the best educated and smartest guys in the room and the only ones with enough mental firepower to engage in this type of debate. Hillary would consistently expose and destroy McCain with similarly strategic and specific questions.

I know Ron Paul is a physician, but this questioned worked on so many levels in exposing McCain as a blowhard fraud and liar it just looked like elder-abuse.

[Half Sigma]

DML: "Using your logic, you could say my Mom doesn't like the NBA, and the Klan doesn't like the NBA because it's full of blacks, therefore my mom hates Blacks."

But if your mom is running for president, and keeps bringing up the NBA at debates instead of real issues, and all of her most ardent supporters comes from the Klan, then you wonder.

Ron Paul's two major issues which he brings up at debates are 1: federal reserve issues, the same issues frequently brought up by anti-Semites who believe that there's a Jewish banking conspiracy; and 2: too much foreign aid to Israel and military interventions presumably to help Israel, then you wonder why Paul is obsessed with these two and only these two issues.

He's supposed to be a "libertarian," but he hardly ever brings up any libertarian stuff in the debates. He's too obsessed with the very two issues that the Stormfront people are most obsessed with.

HS:

I don’t know if you’re just stirring the pot to get more traffic or are really one of those disturbingly paranoid NYC Jews who think there’s a Nazi lurking around every corner and in every gentile heart.

In case you are the latter, Ron Paul is the only candidate rationally focusing on the fundamental root issues that are undermining our republic like an increasingly ungrounded economy, unsustainable, unwise and counter proactive foreign entanglements, assaults on individual liberty and constitutional rights.

You only image his is obsessed with Jews because you are – in this way you are no different from your self-deluded Stormfront brethren. Moderators, audience and other candidates pick the questions and topics that Paul has to address which also feeds your paranoid interpretations. Judging from Ron Paul’s publications and speeches, his primary interest and expertise is in economics and the Constitution and he would talk on these all the time given the opportunity.

[DML]

Half Sigma claims:
"But if your mom is running for president, and keeps bringing up the NBA at debates instead of real issues, and all of her most ardent supporters comes from the Klan, then you wonder."

Sure - if you're mentally defective. I bet your mom thinks 2+2 = 4, same as the Klan who hates Blacks...therefore I've proven she hates Blacks.

Your inane connection between Ron Paul and racists has destroyed your ability to reason.

"Ron Paul's two major issues which he brings up at debates are 1: federal reserve issues, the same issues frequently brought up by anti-Semites who believe that there's a Jewish banking conspiracy;

Wow, so anyone who questions the Federal Reserve is now an anti-Semite by association. Your faulty logic is EXACTLY the reason why no one can discuss race honestly in this country. You're a racist by association for speaking certain things that have nothing to do with racism. (And no doubt you think of yourself as better than "those people").

and 2: too much foreign aid to Israel and military interventions presumably to help Israel, then you wonder why Paul is obsessed with these two and only these two issues."

All candidates get asked about Israel. Paul wants to stop foreign aid for *every* country - this includes *Arab* countries (we give way more to these nations than Israel btw), African countries, etc. No one ever asks, "do you support dumping more money into Somalia"? Candidates only get asked specifically about Israel so he has to answer specifically about Israel. (Of course this feeds fuel to the racist's fire about why all candidates get repeatedly asked ONLY about whether they will aid Israel...)

"He's supposed to be a "libertarian," but he hardly ever brings up any libertarian stuff in the debates. He's too obsessed with the very two issues that the Stormfront people are most obsessed with."

You have no idea what you're talking about. Smaller government (no Fed Reserve, no foreign aid) is at the center of Libertarian thinking. Everything Paul does is centered on this.

[MikeVa]

Trying to typify questions about economics, monetary policy, and the federal reserve as anti-semitic is a terrible mis-characterization.

Ron Paul's ardent supporters aren't from the KKK, Ron Pauls supporters are just regular average people like you and me. We've looked into the issues that are facing this country and our economy and we feel that Ron Paul's position on free market capitalism deserves support. Everyone should be questioning what is happening in the economy and the world markets.. this is your money and future we are talking about after all.

This interview with James D. Grant on the CFR website will help explain what is happening and what we can expect in the future :

http://www.cfr.org/content/publications/media/podcast/2008/P_Grant1.mp3

This presentation will help give you an understanding of how investors are looking at the dollar as a losing bet and why:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RhnHo3RDfg

Look into this and you will be ahead of the curve!

[Half Sigma]

anonymous (who should really choose a psuedonym because he writes a LOT of comments): "are really one of those disturbingly paranoid NYC Jews who think there’s a Nazi lurking around every corner"

Ron Paul is the one who's paranoid, he sees Jews behind every corner. I'm just pointing it out because I don't like the guy.

HS

You haven't pointed out one concrete example of where Ron Paul has once said anything about "Jews behind every corner" in his 35yrs under the public microscope.

All you've offered is your paranoid obsessions tied to your repeated fallacious smears like this ludicrous post.

Are your irrational anger and unfounded attacks just an outlet for your frustration that Rudy is now hovering in 8% territory on intrade?

[hugh go naught]

PROOF THAT RON PAUL IS AN ANTI-SEMITE

By assigning a number to each letter (A=1, B=2, etc), "Ron" converts to 18+15+14=47 and "Paul" converts to 16+1+21+12=50

4+7+5+0=16

16 can be written as 8 + 8

And as we all know, in Nazi symbolism 88 stands for HH which stands for Heil Hitler!

Reference: http://www.adl.org/hate_symbols/numbers_88.asp

[SFG]

I don’t know if you’re just stirring the pot to get more traffic or are really one of those disturbingly paranoid NYC Jews who think there’s a Nazi lurking around every corner and in every gentile heart.
If he wanted more traffic he'd post about sex. I think he has the paranoid attitude common to many Jews. Not that it's totally un-understandable; having half your family tree exterminated does tend to make one a little skittish. There might even be an evolutionary selection for neuroticism among modern Jews as the more optimistic ones ('Hitler will pass. We've survived a lot') perished in Auschwitz and the paranoid ones (who always freaked out at the next persecution) got out of the country early.

[Peter]

News flash: in the real world, as opposed to the blogosphere, no one cares about Ron Paul.

[Vim]

SFG:

"There might even be an evolutionary selection for neuroticism among modern Jews as the more optimistic ones ('Hitler will pass. We've survived a lot') perished in Auschwitz"

... or the optimistic ones stayed alive longer in the camps and the pessimistic ones died because of depression. Or the optimistic ones could be expected to be richer than the nonoptimistic ones, because the type of people that make lots of money tend to be positive and forward looking. Thus the richer ones got out of the country easier than the poorer ones. Or optimistic people have more children because they believe in the future and quickly outbred the pessimistic ones in the New World. Or the optimistic ones are more likely to emigrate because leaving your home for a new country is a big risk and you have to be optimistic to leave.

Last thing you have to remember is that there were plenty of German and Russian Jews in NYC long before WWII.

These natural selection fairytales are always 'just so'.

[Half Sigma]

Jews tend to be more neurotic than gentiles, but that has nothing to do with my posts.

It's not neurotic to believe that Stormfront posters hate Jews, they make that pretty obvious. It is probably neurotic to spend to much time worrying about them. I don't. I know they're just a bunch of powerless rednecks who lash out against the Jews as a response to being poor and unimportant.

Neither is it neurotic to observe that Ron Paul's political ideology is heavily influenced by anti-Jewish paranoia. Obviously he's smart enough not to say "I hate the Jews," during the televised debates, but it's pretty easy to figure out where he's coming from.

[SFG]

You might be right if he actually does focus on those subjects; it's odd he wouldn't at least focus on immigration if he were trying to pick up the redneck vote, which is (a) a subject of much greater concern since it more directly affects their lives and (b) not obviously anti-Semitic in valence; most Jews are pro-immigration, but most anti-immigrationists are much more concerned about Mexicans than Jews.

Half Sigma:Ron Paul::David Alexander:Race Realists

[Joshua Holmes]

Neither is it neurotic to observe that Ron Paul's political ideology is heavily influenced by anti-Jewish paranoia.

It is neurotic if you have to invent the influence yourself.

[JewishAtheist]

Obviously he's smart enough not to say "I hate the Jews," during the televised debates, but it's pretty easy to figure out where he's coming from.

Look, I'm a Jew and I think Ron Paul is nuts who possibly is a racist regarding African-Americans, and I honestly have no idea where you're getting this anti-semitic stuff. By your logic, someone who rails against Hollywood is antisemitic, because there are a lot of Jews there, even if said person never mentions Jews. Was everyone who supported Joe McCarthy an antisemite because a lot of prominent American Communists were Jewish?

Anti-semitism is about hating people because they are Jewish. It's not about hating a group of people some of whom happen to be Jewish.

This doesn't come close to rising to the level of Reagan launching his candidacy in Philadelphia, Mississippi with a ringing endorsement of "states' rights."

If Paul is an anti-semite, there's no question than Reagan was a racist. Do you believe he was?

To ALL supporters of Dr. Paul: Why did he ask the question?? You keep defending him against anti-semitic attacks by denying that the question was against Jews. Fine, I can agree with that if you can give me a better reason for him asking that question. I don't think Dr. Paul is a racist but I do wonder why he asked the question.

To ALL supporters of Dr. Paul: Why did he ask the question?? You keep defending him against anti-semitic attacks by denying that the question was against Jews. Fine, I can agree with that if you can give me a better reason for him asking that question. I don't think Dr. Paul is a racist but I do wonder why he asked the question.

[Vim]

As far as I understand it, he's worried about transparency of the federal reserve. You can hear some it here from the guy himself:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4kxTkhwR_Q&feature=related

To be honest, it is doesn't sound like an unreasoned argument to me. I guess I'd like an intelligent response to what he had to say ... not from another politician though.

If I understand his issue with the Financial Working Group is that it's secret which is not a weird concern for an elected representative in a democracy to worry about.

[George Dance]

Why did Ron Paul ask that question? Probably because he sees it as an important, undiscussed story.

The Working Group, whose mandate is to manipulate the stock market, was reactivated early this month by Pres. Bush. Lo and behold, the stock market rallied on Wednesday, and that was a top story on debate Thursday; Paul was interviewed on Fox by Neil Cavuto (who suggested the rally was a 'dead cat bounce').

My own guess is that Paul thinks that there's nothing to the rally - that it was engineered by the Working Group - but didn't want to charge that (either on Cavuto or at the debate), lest it be shrugged off as 'conspiratorial kookiness.' So, instead, he merely mentioned the group in the debate; which prompted me, and I bet a lot of others who'd never heard of the Working Group before, to do some research and come to the same tentative conclusion themselves.

[George Dance]

Why did Ron Paul ask that question? Probably because he sees it as an important, undiscussed story.

The Working Group, whose mandate is to manipulate the stock market, was reactivated early this month by Pres. Bush. Lo and behold, the stock market rallied on Wednesday, and that was a top story on debate Thursday; Paul was interviewed on Fox by Neil Cavuto (who suggested the rally was a 'dead cat bounce').

My own guess is that Paul thinks that there's nothing to the rally - that it was engineered by the Working Group - but didn't want to charge that (either on Cavuto or at the debate), lest it be shrugged off as 'conspiratorial kookiness.' So, instead, he merely mentioned the group in the debate; which prompted me, and I bet a lot of others who'd never heard of the Working Group before, to do some research and come to the same tentative conclusion themselves.