Trig is not Sarah Palin's baby?

This is so weird that it has a high probability of truth. Palin does not look six months pregnant in the photo on this web page.

In addition to the facts mentioned above, I want to point out how unlikely it is for a 43-year-old woman to accidentally get pregnant. Most 43-year-old women can't get pregnant even with tens of thousands of dollars of fertility treatments. (Only 10% of 43-year-old women seeking fertility treatments are able to get pregnant. source)

Read this blog post about how strange the story of Trig's birth is. The author of the post was apparently unaware of the rumors that the child isn't really Sarah's.

If Sarah's daughter Bristol got pregnant, why didn't Sarah just take her to an abortion clinic on the sneak? Oh, because they actually believe in that Christian stuff.

But then, why this Big Lie? Oh, because it would be really embarrassing to someone campaigning for wholesome family values to reveal that her daughter has been having premarital sex.

Doesn't the Bible also say "Thou Shalt Not Lie?" I guess Christians can selectively ignore the Ten Commandments if it helps their political ambitions.

Did McCain know about this? The good news is that this is coming out now, so there's still time for McCain to dump her before the convention.

UPDATE

Is Sarah Palin pregnant in this photo?

UPDATE 2

The following is from an Anchorage Daily News article dated March 6th.

That the pregnancy is so advanced astonished all who heard the news. The governor, a runner who's always been trim, simply doesn't look pregnant.

Even close members of her staff said they only learned this week their boss was expecting.

"I thought it was becoming obvious," Palin said. "You know, clothes getting snugger and snugger."

But people just couldn't believe the news.

"Really? No!" said Bethel state Rep. Mary Nelson, who is close to giving birth herself.

"It's wonderful. She's very well-disguised," said Senate President Lyda Green, a mother of three who has sometimes sparred with Palin politically. "When I was five months pregnant, there was absolutely no question that I was with child."

Comments

[Gannon]

It's extremely unlikely that the baby is Bristol's. The baby has down, a typical disease of old 35 plus mothers. Bristol is very attractive by the way, definitively the kind of girl I would make love to. This by the way proves my theory that the US is a sick society: instead of focusing on the young nubile marriageable daughter I only hear MILF BS.

[James Miller]

If this is true it makes her an even BETTER running mate for McCain.

It shows her devotion to her children. Also, her deception hurt no one and was obviously done to help her daughter.

If the McCain people knew about this before they selected her, they probably considered it a plus factor and hoped it would come out before the election.

If true, evangelicals will love her, donate huge amounts to McCain and turn out in record numbers.

[Gannon]

Willow is the 14 year old, right? She looks pretty good too, give her two more years and she will be amazing.

[Gannon]

Here you have a politician who has two really beautiful daughters: Megan Mccain is just barely above average HalfSigma, although obviously much better suited ofr your age.

[Brick Oven Bill]

If true, when the pressure groups demand to see Tirg’s birth certificate, all she needs to do is say that she’ll trade Trig’s for Obama’s.

It doesn’t make sense though. Why would she have said anything in Texas? She probably would have quietly gone back to Alaska.

[Christopher Tracy]

I don't know when this picture was taken, but look at Bristol's stomach:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_eeBrCFDUUOc/R9SMzjkqrLI/AAAAAAAAAUw/thEnzs9T7GY/s1600/PalinFamily.jpg

Either way, this makes for an interesting story.

[whiskey]

Stupid rumor. Plenty of photos available online of a very pregnant Palin before her kids birth.

Go ahead, attack an older woman for having a Down's syndrome baby. See how that plays out with female voters.

Palin is the "Andrew Jackson" class, frontier entrepreneur, and thus creates fury in the terminally hip, trendoid "Stuff White People Like" class. Thus the stupid rumors.

Which is the huge fault-line in American politics: Stuff White People Like + Aggrieved Minorities vs. Working/Middle Class whites.

[amir]

The main problem previously fertile women have when they reach their forties is egg quality, which is also why they are more likely to have Down Syndrome babies. Fertility treatments can increase the number of eggs that reach maturity any given month but not improve the quality of the egg. Therefore, fertility treatments, other than egg donation, do not significantly increase the chance of pregnancy in older women. Down syndrome babies also tend to be smaller than regular babies and that may explain a smaller stomach for the mother.
But the theory is intriguing.

[dreamin]

Actually, I believe the Bible says "thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor."

But anyway, like other people say, Down's syndrome is the signature disease of births after the mother is 40. From what I understand, Down's is extremely rare among young mothers; gets more and more common as the mother approaches 35; and becomes very common thereafter.

[PA]

"--I guess Christians can selectively ignore the Ten Commandments if it helps their political ambitions"

Comments like that make you sound like a callow nerd.

[Half Sigma]

" Plenty of photos available online of a very pregnant Palin before her kids birth."

So why not post a link to one of these photos and put the story to rest?

No one has been able to find a pregnant photo.

[Average Prole]

Won't be a liability with the "wrong kind of white people."

[brill]

"Oh, because they actually believe in that Christian stuff."

No, this is the comment that made him look like a callow nerd.

[Brick Oven Bill]

Datapoints from a spouse who, unbeknownst to me obsesses over this stuff:

At 33, odds of Downs Syndrome is one in one thousand
At 44, odds of Downs Syndrome is one in twenty five
At 17, odds of Downs Syndrome is way less than one in a thousand

Admittedly potentially-faked photo:

http://alaskareport.com/images31/palin_pregnant.jpg

[rory]

Me again.

Trig was born at Mat-Su Regional Hospital. You have to understand how small town it is here in Alaska. It would of been virtually impossible for Governor Palin to have kept this big of a secret in a place like the Valley (what we in Anchorage call Wasilla and Palmer). There would be nurses, orderlies, doctors, etc... who would of all had to agree to keep the secret. She is popular, but not that popular.

Then again if she did manage to pull of the switch, she is certainly qualified to lead the intelligence services.

[Jack]

You know Keith Olbermann and MSNBC will jump all over this shit...we need to get this bitch off the ticket.

[David Alexander]

"Down's syndrome is the signature disease of births after the mother is 40"

Bristol + Alcohol during Pregnancy = ???

[amir]

She looks pregnant here.
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://alaskareport.com/images48/trig_paxon_van_palin.jpg&imgrefurl=http://alaskareport.com/news48/x61145_trig.htm&h=290&w=199&sz=15&hl=en&start=3&sig2=rdV__lQs9lAJSeGifw81WA&usg=__MoyH1R943r78Sjteiw-96V_BPWI=&tbnid=V2rIEH7FwPMgTM:&tbnh=115&tbnw=79&ei=N5e5SOW-Moyc0QSF44CjAw&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dtrig%2Bpalin%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den

[Gannon]

Alcohol during pregnancy can cause:

Small body size and weight

Slower than normal development and failure to "catch up."

Deformed ribs and sternum

Curved spine and hip dislocations

Bent, fused, webbed, or missing fingers or toes

Limited movement of joints

Small head

Facial abnormalities

Small eye openings

Skin webbing between eyes and base of nose

Drooping eyelids

Nearsightedness

Failure of eyes to move in same direction

Short upturned nose

Sunken nasal bridge

Flat or absent groove between nose and upper lip

Thin upper lip

Opening in roof of mouth

Small jaw

Low-set or poorly formed ears

Organ deformities

Heart defects or heart murmurs

Genital malformations

Kidney and urinary defects

Central nervous system handicaps

Small brain

Faulty arrangement of brain cells and connective tissue

Mental retardation -- occasionally severe

Learning disabilities

Short attention span

Irritability in infancy

Hyperactivity in childhood

Poor body, hand, and finger coordination

However, it does not cause Down Syndrome. Down Syndrome is a genetic disease caused by a trippled chromosome (should be double).
Alcohol doesn't alter a babie's genes.

[Jack]

The age thing is the only factor in favor of the explanation that the baby is really Sarah's. But - it's a pretty big factor according to the statistics. Still, it is something to look into further.

[zai]

The rumors, if they stay that unfounded but only get louder, will actually help the McCain camp when it comes to when.
What people just don't get is that after a particularly emotional episode (Hillary Obama tussle), women hold on to the grouse for a long time, not because they are vindictive, but because they are just not built to weigh in longer term goals. Imminent outcomes are more important and they provide the anchoring for any decision.
Palin now replaces Hillary as the anchor, and this is now Palin versus Obama, which is far more winnable for Obama.
This is because women HATE younger women; they are mating threats even if they are a zillion miles away, and someone who seems to have it all is labeled a threat in more malicious terms.
Obama's camp will have much more traction if she is painted as this really young, awesome, intelligent, and attractive woman.

The baby rumors go the other way and paint her as a martyr, being pilloried for all the usual sexist reasons and women will band together with her. Maternity, whether directly hers or her daughter's elicits a really strong empathy. She'll be considered a hero both ways, so it would be better for democrats to ignore this aspect and paint her the new seductive vixen in town.

[I hatetheright]

Research is showing the the risk of downs is high between 14 years of age and 19 years and then decreases from 20 to 25 years of age

[Gannon]

Research is showing that there are a lot of gulible idiots who believe feminist bullshit. Mothers aged 14 plus have perfectly healthy. Really young mother's, aged 11-13 however can have babies with inmature organs and low weight. Down is produced because of a genetical defect which can happen as the eggs age. Women do not produce eggs, like men produce sperm, but have a definite number when they are born.

[freak show]

both the parents seem to be better looking than most of the kids- the parents seem quite above average.

http://gov.state.ak.us/photos/PalinFamily_Outside_v01.jpg

[Peter]

It was the teenage daughter's baby.

Oh Gannon, how was the weather in Alaska?

[Gannon]

You do realize Peter that you are flattering me by suggesting that I could get into bed with such a cutie like Bristol?
Thanks, really... The weather was cold by the way...

[mnjohn]

"Mothers aged 14 plus have perfectly healthy. Really young mother's, aged 11-13 however can have babies with inmature organs and low weight. "

As also evidenced that young teenage women get pregnant very very easily the way nature intended it to be. The age of consent should be 14.

[Adam]

I don't really buy into the whole conspiracy, but I like statistics.

Although the birth statistics are true, it is also true that 85% of children born with Downs Syndrome are born to mothers under 30 due to average ages of conception.
Since chance of conception declines by 95% after 45, and you were only concerned with a statistical analysis, that would require a re-weighing.

I do question her judgment though.

One thing that stands out is that after her first contractions, she got on a 10 hour plane flight and then an hour long drive. That probably isn't the best judgment. I'm not sure I'd want to get on a plane if I was going into labor.

[threadlessmess]

6 or 7 months pregnant in this video

http://alaskapodshow.com/index.php/2008/08/30/sarah-palin-pregnancy-scandal/

[threadlessmess]

6 or 7 months pregnant in this video

http://alaskapodshow.com/index.php/2008/08/30/sarah-palin-pregnancy-scandal/

[Spungen]

"Most 43-year-old women can't get pregnant even with tens of thousands of dollars of fertility treatments. (Only 10% of 43-year-old women seeking fertility treatments are able to get pregnant. source)"

The first sentence is not justified by the second. Use your logic, Sigma. The second sentence refers to women *with fertility problems*.

The fact that people believe women over 40 can't get pregnant would make a woman more likely to be lax about birth control.

According to the National Association for Down syndrome, "80% of babies born with Down syndrome are born to women younger than 35

[Ann]

Sorry but it's easy to stuff your shirt and then throw a jacket or sweater on to appear pregnant. However, when you look at Bristol's photo's from 2006 she was skinny. Then fast forward to when Sarah was supposed to be pregnant and it's Bristol who looks pregnant, and by the way Bristol wasn't wearing a jacket you could see it in a fitted shirt. So until I see a picture of Sarah wearing just a regular shirt instead of big jackets, or sweaters then I do believe it's her daughter. Sarah Palin pulled her daughter out of High School and the public eye due to mono, but I don't know any kid that gains weight ONLY in the boobs and belly from mono. PEOPLE WHO GO TO SCHOOL AND OTHER PEOPLE IN ALASKA HAVE BEEN TRYING TO TELL THE TRUTH ABOUT THIS STORY!

[49andcounting]

As someone who got pregnant at 43 I know a little about this subject. My doctor said that the statistics that show the low probabitlies of getting pregnant after 40 apply to women trying to have their first baby. Women who have had multiple pregnancies continue to be very fertile up to menopause. I find it extremely hard to believe that a governor could get away with a switcheroo like this. Not in this day and age. Also, I did not gain weight like I did in my other pregnancies and a lot of my friends and neighbors did not know I was pregnant either. I did aerobics (low impact) until I was 7 mos along. Everyone is different.

[pirate]

Here's a page with a picture of Palin pregnant with one of her other kids. She really shows that time. It's picture nine in the slideshow.
http://www.pixcetera.com/uschinese/election-2008-sarah-palin/30583

[Rain And]

Great find, pirate!

For those that don't want to click through the cumbersome Flash slideshow, here's the picture of Sarah Palin pregnant with one of her previous children. She looks like the Hindenburg.

http://i38.tinypic.com/24man4p.png

[veggiedude]

I find it hilarious that people who kill animals can use a label as 'pro-life' to describe themselves. More George Orwell's double speak.

[Patrick]

Someone said: "If this is true it makes her an even BETTER running mate for McCain."

If either story is true, that she had a child with Downs or her daughter did, it actually makes her a worse running mate for McCain. Why?

Because of the simple question: If she just had a child in April or June of this year why is she now going to run off to be Vice President for the first 4 years of this baby's life??? Shouldn't she be home taking care of her new born baby? Even if "home" is in Alaska being governor?

[d]

this is how she looked when she really was pregnant with her previous child.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/republican_race/galleries/sarah_palin_family_photos/sarah_palin_family_photos.html

[yarrrrr]

Game Over

http://www.polartrec.com/node/3944

[Rain And]

I already discussed that link in the other thread. That is the only testimony, and it's from after the pregnancy was publicly announced in March. Just a few weeks earlier her own staff were completely unaware that she was pregnant.

http://www.halfsigma.com/2008/08/daily-kos-diary-on-sarah-palin-pregnancy-cover-up.html

[Half Sigma]

Right you are Rain And. The polartrec reporter "knew" that Sarah Palin was pregnant, and people usually see what they think they know.

As usual, the governor is wearing a bulky coat so you can't tell anything -- and maybe she's wearing some stuffing underneath the coat to look more pregnant.

[Rain And]

Sort of like how people keep claiming to see a pregnant belly on Bristol Palin in a photo actually taken in 2006!

[Harley]

# David Says:
August 30th, 2008 at 7:51 pm

As a doctor, I don’t want to add to this discussion other than to clear of misinformation. Just this year a study came out and proved that having a child with Down Syndrome is not at all linked to age. I was at a conference last winter where the study was presented in full, and it has been published in many journals since then. A woman of any age can half a baby with downs at any time.

This is a post from a doctor from another site regarding Downs Syndrome

[chicagodoctor]

I am a doctor, so I know a few things about Down Syndrome risk and pregnancy. It's true that older mothers (aged 35 and above) have a higher risk of giving birth to a baby with Trisomy 21, commonly known as Down Syndrome, younger mothers also have a higher risk than the average women. So teen-agers, such as Bristol Palin, have a higher risk of giving birth to a baby with Down Syndrome and other genetic disorders. Trig Palin: who is your real mommy?

[Paul]

The NY York daily news picture cited at 7:26 not only shows a swelled tummy, but clearly a much fatter face of Sarah Palin than we see now. The ADN.com story of 3-05-08 also shows a clearly pregnant Palin at six months (2-26-08).

This Bristol Palin baby rumor is disgusting .Those who spread these lies like the nutter posters above are truly despicable and depraved. It shows just how much Palin threatens the loony and deranged left.

But how typical of the left! When one doesn't have a compelling and truthful argument for your position, a dishonorable and depraved person will resort to slimy and unfounded attacks on character.

[Rain And]

"The ADN.com story of 3-05-08 also shows a clearly pregnant Palin at six months"

I don't know what story you are talking about, but you are full of shit.

Read my links and quotes from contemporary observers:

http://www.halfsigma.com/2008/08/daily-kos-diary-on-sarah-palin-pregnancy-cover-up.html

NO ONE was aware that Palin was pregnant at 7 months. Palin obviously could not be "clearly pregnant" in any photo from before March. If Palin looked pregnant at all, her close staff, at the very least, would have realized it. They didn't. No one realized she was pregnant before she announced it. So how could you see it now?

Anyone that now sees pregnancy in photos dated before that time, must be guilty of confirmation bias.

[zabadu]

35% of ALL Down's Syndrome babies are to teenaged mothers.

It is a MYTH that only older women have Down's babies.

[Chris]

Oh really chicagodoctor? Are you sure you dont want to check you Robbins Pathological Basis of Disease? Maybe your Thompson and Thompson Genetics in Medicine? Or maybe you could just admit youre not an actual doctor?

But really, I want to know your basis for thinking that non-disjunction in oogenesis has a higher likelihood in a teenage mother.

[Ashley]

Hello... Don't you all remember Nicole Kidman? Eight months preggers and hardly a bump.(picture via link in this post)Heh, a celeb reference? Might catch yalls attention.

Some women hardly gain while pregnant, every body is different. I am sure that Palin discovered early on that she was carrying a down baby, they can pick up indicators during scans, and especially at her age they check for down's symptoms in sonograms, and have blood and amniotic tests done to dectect the extra chromosome. I am sure her and her husband were dealing with this the best they could for themselves, and didn't want to immediatly revel there pregnancy status as it was.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1025705/Still-gym-Eight-months-pregnant-Nicole-Kidman-teeny-bump-hit-gym-workout.html