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Palin’s college career isn’t all that different from Dick Chaney’s and no one accused Chaney of being dumb.

Cheney got accepted into Yale, and he has a Master's Degree. No comparison.

Furthermore, Cheney has a track record of success in a variety of careers. Chief of Staff to President Ford, Secretary of Defense to the first President Bush, and a Congressman and CEO of a major company. You can fool voters, but it's hard to believe that Ford or the first Bush would allow someone stupid to serve them in such important positions. The first Gulf War, which happened under Cheney's watch, was a huge success.

Bush picked Cheney not because he could give a perky speech, but because everyone believed that if Bush died in office, Cheney could take over and handle a national crisis.

I'm starting to believe you. But Republicans like stupid leaders.

I saw the Kudlow interview on CNBC, and an IQ 110-115 sounds about correct to me. Her problem with upscale voters is not that she is stupid but that she isn't very cultured or polished in terms of mannerisms, which makes whiterpeople think she is a moron.

Her IQ is likely similar, or a little higher, than Reagan’s. That’s good enough for me.

And pegging her IQ at 110 is nothing but a wild guess. My wild guess is it is about 120. Why? Because it takes some intelligence to go from PTA mom with 4 kids, to Alaska's governor, and then to VP candidate of the US. I don't think an IQ of 110 is quite enough to pull that off, regardless of her other talents.

"But her college history seems indicative of someone who was barely able to graduate."

The time it took her to graduate doesn't tell us much without seeing actual grades. Some smart people slack off and party in college.

This is insane! Her news background was in tv not newspapers. That is why it is not common to find everything she wrote. Since your research looks like you took everything you have seen on the internet and ran with it, I tend to question your IQ. For the record mine is 156 tested and booked

I think the problem with all this is you are applying New York stereotypes to Alaska.

What do you think John McCain's IQ is? How about George Bush? Obama?

Guessing peoples IQ scores based on stereotypes is just plain silly.

You are getting too obsessed with Palin.

Cheney's career is indicative of success at fitting in and playing bureaucratic games. The first gulf war was wrapped up quickly and was certainly successful. However, the current war in Iraq (which was largely instigated by Cheney and his neo-cons) was largely a clusterf*ck up until about a year ago. Also, he and his staff believed (maybe created themselves) all of the neo-jacobin hype that the Iraqis would greet us a liberators and that Iraq would cost only $80 billion until the oil would flow and pay for it all. I can go on and on about the flaws in the neocon thinking about the war, but will not because this subject has been beat to death over the years.

Corporate/political hacks such as Cheney are quite smart. Indeed, the politicos in general are quite smart. However, smart people are certainly capable of delusional thinking (like the whole liberal-left ideology, for one) and making bad decisions.

I said, on August 29th (in I believe the first discussion of Palin's IQ on this site):

"Agreed. This was a colossal mistake. One other issue is that Palin probably has an IQ at or under 110, based on her education and lack of attainment of any kind of advanced degree. Such a person is not competent to be President. To anyone who feels like making a Bush joke, remember he had an SAT score above 1200 back when that probably equated to an IQ of 120 or more. He also has largely failed."

Also, re:

"4) She gave a good speech at the convention.

To what extent is public speaking correlated IQ? The correlation may not be that high. There are lots of high IQ people who are abysmal public speakers, so public speaking is not a highly g-loaded task."

This is true. I've heard that Muhammad Ali had a 78 IQ before his brain damage, but his social intelligence and ability to rile a crowd were unrivaled.


Half Sigma, you are ridiculous trying to estimate someone's "IQ" based on meaningless criteria. I don't find you brilliant or creative, but I still would never accuse you of possessing a relatively low IQ.

Why can't you admit that politics is the playing field of mediocrities?

Question: Why hasn't anyone tried to find out what Obama's LSAT and SAT scores were? Since affirmative action is legislated fraud, I believe the public has the right to this information.

What's strange is that so many smart people feel the need to show how hip they are by believing in falsehoods like the egalitarian myth or the global warming scam.

Granted, people like Sarah Palin demonstrate their hipness by believing in falsehoods like Creationism.

Still, if the choice is between (1) having prayer in my childrens' school; or (2) having brown or black kids in my childrens' school, I know which I would prefer.

The bottom line is that the Religious Left is a much greater threat to my family's health and well-being than the Religious Right.


I have to agree with Brutus about the post being ridiculous. You're attempting to derive a quantitative measure (and a fairly discredited one, at that) from a pastiche of qualitative speculation. You haven't really even done much research; the city administrator, for instance, was hired as a compromise at the insistence of the group that attempted to force her recall as mayor.

However, Brutus seems oblivious to the fact that Obama was elected president of the rather conservative Harvard Law Review. Given this, it is rather difficult to credit that he might somehow be an unfairly advantaged product of 'legislated fraud;' clearly, his intelligence and credentials were accepted by his peers.

I usually take to what you say, but I think you're missing the point here.

IQ does not connote leadership ability or people skills. Those are the traits you want in politicians. Save the high IQ talk for doctors, for obvious reasons.

Nixon had a puroprted IQ of above 150 but was clearly flawed enough to destroy his life and demoralize the country to the point where it never quite recovered (and I say that as a Republican). The other high IQ president was allegedly Jimmy Carter -- not exactly leadership material IMO.

I'd take Reagan's average intelligence over these guys any day, because he could inspire and lead. Clearly, Palin has a way of energizing people that can't be quantified by a number. Also, keep in mind there are people with high IQs who struggle through college because they have to work or take care of family. Or see it for the sham it is.

You're starting to sound like those teachers who were so wrapped up in test scored they failed to assess kids' entire skill sets -- and wound up looking foolish when their "failure" kids wound up as CEOs.

Example: My IQ was far higher than that of my younger brother. But he was a natural leader and athlete and could inspire people. He started his own sports-related business and earns probably ten times my salary.

IQ is one piece of the puzzle, not the whole thing.


I bet that hunting is a highly g-loaded activity. I suspect that for cavemen a large part of the natural selection benefit of having a high IQ was that it made you a better hunter.

"I bet that hunting is a highly g-loaded activity."

House cats can hunt for food, and they don't even have a gun to help them. Not impressed.

"Nixon had a purported IQ of above 150 but was clearly flawed enough to destroy his life and demoralize the country to the point where it never quite recovered (and I say that as a Republican)."

Trying to bait HS into another non-Palin post, but why would you say Nixon was flawed?

He was paranoid that people were plotting against him, but that is because people were plotting against him. He never did get a fair deal from the press because he wasnt cool like Kennedy.

He certainly was driven to unconstitutional excesses, but hey were the same kind of things he knew Kennedy had got away with. Whats the correct response when people are scheming against you and the prevailing political ethos of the day is hardball?

Nixon and Clinton were our highest IQ presidents. They both had an IQ of 143. Both of them created problems too.

Nixon created the stagflation that dogged our economy for an entire decade and Clinton (by not allocating the usual discretionary budget for the SEC) allowed many (most?) of the Fortune 1000 to "cook their books" during the 1996-2001 time period and therefor generated an artificial bubble, the aftermath that we are still recovering from.

Having a high IQ does not always translate into good decision making.

"Smart people have intellectual hobbies"

What are intellectual hobbies? I know some folks, even consider myself one, but none have what I would call an intellectual hobby.

What was Clinton's intellectual hobby? (seriously, not intended as a joke setup, as rich as it may be)

1) IQ and what it purports to measure, but doesn't, intelligence, are overrated. Harry Truman wasn't that smart, but he was intellectually honest, and so was a pretty good president. Nixon was very smart, as was Clinton, but both were not intellectually honest and failed to achieve what they could have. In the end, character counts more.

2) Cheney did go to Yale, as a football player, but he more or less flunked out and went back home. Flunking out of Yale was easier to do then than now, but still not that easy to pull off in a school that really tries to get you through the four years. He's not a pure idiot but neither is he blazing intellect.

3) The Harvard Law Review is not conservative. Last I checked, Harvard Law had one known Republican on its faculty (a former Solicitor General too smart and distinguished to be discriminated against) and one self-identified born again Christian (Bill Stuntz). The top students tend to reflect the faculty who select them as top students, and they tend to be very liberal. All the same, Obama's selection as President of Harvard Law Review tells you that he is both very smart and very tough because every student at Harvard wants that job, and Obama got it. People never apply affirmative action against themselves, only against some other poor schmoes. You also don't survive teaching Con Law at Chicago, which is a fairly conservative school, and get offered a job with tenure from day one (which never, ever happens) without being plenty damn smart.

4) From what I can tell, Palin's character falls short (and I don't mean all the booshwa about having an affair or tossing her pregnant daughter under the press bus). She doesn't seem to be curious or a prober, which you can be even if you are of average intellect. Her beliefs are those of the people around her. The issues she seems to have thought about are those that the people around her talk a lot about. She seems to be petty and mean, and quick to fire or disregard people who don't fit into a "on my team" picture. I don't see her facing up to tough situations the way Truman did and trying to do what is really right; I see her going with her core assumptions and being influenced by those she sees as being full on board her team.

"Sinking in class below one's parents"

They were small town teachers. She was mayor (a step up), is governor (a big step up), and could be Vice President (a hugenormous step up). I know families who have dined out for 150 years on having a governor or senator in the family tree.

I don't say how you can say she's sinking in class.

Her kids and husbands, however, do seem pretty prole.

"I've heard that Muhammad Ali had a 78 IQ before his brain damage, but his social intelligence and ability to rile a crowd were unrivaled."

Almost all of Ali's famous sayings (e.g. "float like a butterfly, sting like a bee") were written by other people. He certainly was a good actor, as he delivered the lines with plenty of flair, but he wasn't necessarily clever.

You're assuming that a redneck like Sarah shares your values. My wife has a worse college record than Sarah's - she took forever to finish, and she has a sub-3.0 GPA - but she's a former member of Mensa. She had other priorities - such as alcohol, for example. Sarah might have too.

HS,

I'd estimate her IQ to be about 128, a little higher than John Kerry.

I'll bet you $1000 that if we get a valid IQ (any Mensa accepted test) that she scored 120 or higher. We'll let Steve Sailer be the final judge.

-Mercy

"I bet that hunting is a highly g-loaded activity. I suspect that for cavemen a large part of the natural selection benefit of having a high IQ was that it made you a better hunter."

Well, it might be, but Palin isn't known for being the world's greatest hunter, is she? With a gun, pretty much anyone can successfully hunt a moose.

She's an amazing talent, but probably not that smart. Whether she's 110 or 120, she's clearly not highly intelligent, otherwise her outsized drive and personality would have driven her much farther - she'd be an executive in a major corporation or some other high-compensation leadership position.

But she is exactly the type of person who can probably assure McCain of winning all the red states where Obama might have thought about challenging him. One hunting trip through Georgia, for example, will probably nullify any voter registration drives the legions of Obama community-organizers might unleash throughout the south.

HS --

This has to be one of the more idiotic posts in a long series of idiotic posts.

Her parents were out caribou hunting when she was announced as VP. The apple did not fall very far from the tree, and they coached track in HS.

Many great, and intelligent leaders, had no intellectual hobbies: George Washington, TR, Andrew Jackson, and Dwight Eisenhower. Many brilliant writers, lawyers, and engineers were horrible leaders: Herbert Hoover, Richard Nixon, and Jimmy Carter. Thomas Jefferson famously advised hunting as a hobby because it focused both mind and body. You may not like hunting, but the most brilliant man in the White House, who could read and write Greek and Latin, loved it and took daily walks at Monticello with his rifle.

Next, it's common among middle/working class people to spend as much time at JC because it's FAR CHEAPER. No one cares about your JCs, just the school you graduate from. The education in the basics is the same, regardless, and it's HALF THE COST. What you see as "stupid" I see as a wise economy. [Plus a good dose of AK/Family homesickness.]

Again, winning against a sitting Gov. and Democratic opposition, and pushing both higher taxes on Oil Companies (with huge lobbyist budgets) and rebating to AK citizens (instead of spending on stuff lobbyists want) is one of the most remarkable accomplishments. It's true anyone can get elected in a fluke: Jessie Ventura or Arnold. But neither ever accomplished anything like THAT. Arnold still can't balance the budget.

[House cats have highly attuned senses and instincts. Humans have poor eyesight, smell, and hearing. Hunting requires knowledge of prey -- where it's likely to be, at any season and time of day, tracking, including direction and speed of travel, observations of competing predators that could be sneaking up on YOU! and the ability to sneak up using not instinct but observed screening obstacles and direction of wind to inflict a killing shot quickly, so you don't chase after the prey for 10 miles. Not my cup of tea, but definitely quite a challenge, physically and mentally.

No, with a gun alone you can't just hunt a moose. Unless you know how to track them, and find them, you could walk by them in the dense Taiga forest and never even see them, even though they are only ten feet away. If you hunt them during mating season, bull moose can easily kill you. Sometimes outside of season for either sex. Iditarod racer Susan Butcher was nearly killed, and some of her dogs were, by a moose pissed off. They are no joke.]

Palin's lack of any connection, wealth, capital, important husband are all huge anchors on her abilities. She doesn't have financier husbands like Boxer and Feinstein. She doesn't have a long-time Baltimore pol father like Pelosi. She doesn't have a longtime family in LA politics like the current LA Senator Landrieu (former mayors of New Orleans). She could never make it in the corporate world because she lacks the right schools, connections, backgrounds. That she went as far as she did is remarkable.

"And pegging her IQ at 110 is nothing but a wild guess. My wild guess is it is about 120. Why? Because it takes some intelligence to go from PTA mom with 4 kids, to Alaska's governor, and then to VP candidate of the US. I don't think an IQ of 110 is quite enough to pull that off, regardless of her other talents."

I vote for 120 based on my assumption that Sarah Palin is very similar to my wife who has an IQ of about 120-125. I had always assumed my wife's IQ was lower, because I didn't recognize any of hear intellectual hobbies. However, it is easy to be wrong about these things because personal bias would have you look in the wrong place. An active person tends to be a smart person. Both Sarah and my wife qualify as active people.

Similarly, my father is very smart but has none of the obvious "hobby markers." Guess what? No college degree; devout evangelical; devout consumer of cheap beer; devout driver of the tractor around the small farm; devout big game hunter; devout pilot and outdoorsman. No intellectual hobbies other than fantasizing about Laura Ingraham. He scored the 99% percentile on his Army AFQT (or whatever the correct abbreviation is).

"She's an amazing talent, but probably not that smart. Whether she's 110 or 120, she's clearly not highly intelligent, otherwise her outsized drive and personality would have driven her much farther - she'd be an executive in a major corporation or some other high-compensation leadership position."

Dude, making it to the top in a corporation is not about intelligence, it's about politics and being a fucking pussy who sucks ass to get promoted. Get real.

Half Sigma's own personal bias' and lack of knowledge on less than media-driven lifestyles have caused him to likely err in his analysis. One glaring ommission is personality factors (as in genetic dispositions not related to IQ) and factors that modulate personality (Like living in a locale where fornication is the best game in town). A wild guess analysis that showed more consideration along these lines would be more believable. My guess remains in the 120 range. She is definitely not stupid, but she may not fit within the analytical range of some would-be evaluators.

I've a keen insight into this sort of thing. I had a job with a carnival road show in the "Guess Your IQ" booth where I maintained an accuracy of never less than 76% within a 5 point range.

Intelligence Quotient: 121
Pussy Quotient: 135

Incidentally HS, I've recalculated your own IQ 8 points downward during your investigation of inadequate baby bumps. I won't reveal the full score unless you ask but normally that kind of thing would cost you money when I'm right.

Dude, making it to the top in a corporation is not about intelligence, it's about politics and being a fucking pussy who sucks ass to get promoted. Get real.

I'm not talking about making it to the top. A highly placed technocrat in a major corporation (say, a VP level in Exxon) is earning in the 250k to 750k ballpark with incentives - a smart, charismatic, tough, attractive broad like Ms. Palin wouldn't have any trouble navigating these halls of power. So my guess is she didn't have enough of the "smart" qualifications to get in the door. On the other hand, such a lifestyle just may never have occurred to her - perhaps she didn't like college and book-learning and such, and was much more into fishin' and huntin' and makin' babies, but as she settled into married life she got a hankerin' for more, and so is a bit of a late-bloomer.

But --- BUT -- I'm sure she's not significantly less smart than Pelosi or Feinstein, and almost certainly smarter than Boxer. I'll buy Mr. Atlas's guesstimate of 121 - sounds plausible - significantly smarter than average, but nowhere near "formidable intelligence" territory.

Wow, science...how 'bout it, eh?

I don't think all intelligent people necessarily want to go to Ivy League schools and be big corporate types, especially if they grow up in rural areas where that's not necessary to live an enjoyable life.

So I don't see her lack of prestigious degrees as evidence of stupidity.

I'm guessing around 120, normal for high achievers who haven't fallen off the nerd cliff above 130 or so.

HS, you have a problem. You're a libertarian-leaning conservative who has the tastes of a snooty New Yorker. That's not necessarily the end of the world and characterizes a lot of big-city right-wingers, but you are never going to find a candidate you like, because the Republicans are going to nominate prole types to appeal to their blue-collar white constituency, and the Democrats are going to nominate liberals because they're the party of the left.

Probably about 115-120. She's not a dullard.

She's also not a genius. Her family is definitely lower middle class in outlook.

Unfortunately for the country, other proles and those who dislike intellectuals LOVE that.

http://aabw.blogspot.com/2008/09/smart-guilt.html

Interesting blog. I live in DC and grew up here and attended both an elite private school and a top public school GT program. I got bad grades, went to college for one year, dropped out, joined the computer industry, started consulting, got a MBA from a top international school, managed some hundred million dollar projects, and now write books about indexing and options trading. So what's my IQ?

You're missing the obvious. Palin is a popular state Governor who was just picked as the Republican VP candidate because she's a tough woman politician with energy experience and a record that appeals to conservatives. Did you think any of that happened to her by accident? If not then give her some credit for intelligence.

Half Sigma is generous. She has too poor a vocabulary for a journalist and her jokes ("hockey mum...") are gross. She cannot have more than 104. But she got more character and physical presence that she will ever need as Vice-President. She got my vote (but I am not American).

HS, a blog post you might find interesting on intelligence in our presidents:

http://bloggersforjohnmccain08.blogspot.com/2008/09/how-much-do-brains-matter-in-president.html

IQ is largely irrelevant to success as a President (or any other leadership position). Consider the following:

What do the 20th century presidents in set A have in common? What do the presidents in set B have in common?

Set A --- Set B

Wilson --- FDR
Hoover --- JFK
Carter --- Reagan

The presidents is set A are widely considered to be among the most inteligent Americans ever to have been president. Wilson was president of Princeton before assuming the U.S. presidency and Carter was a Naval nuclear officer (arguably the most intellectually challenging branch of the Navy). Yet all three are also considered to be very ineffective presidents and among the worst presidents in history.

The presidents in set B were all weak students (FDR and JFK barely graduated college). Nonetheless, all three were very effective presidents and among the best presidents in history.

There are many traits that are more important to being a great leader than IQ, including (i) ambition, (ii) discipline, (iii) vision, (iv) communication skills, (v) judgment, (vi) integrity, and (vii) charisma (as in the ability to persuade people to adopt your vision, not the cocktail party variety). IQ may improve a person's performance in these traits, but in-and-of-itself it isn't that important, especially if the person is seriously deficient in these other traits.

John McCain is just like George Bush and weed Shaney. He's freaking going down rather you fools like it or freakin not foolish republicans!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There's a chart in Gregory Clark's _A Farewell to Alms_ that shows that hunters do not reach their peak productivity until their 40s compared to farm laborers who peak in their early 20s.

I know I am late to the party here, but the idea that you can estimate someone's IQ from their life circumstances is "too clever by half."

Based on your post, I wouild estimate that your intellectual snobbishness is in the top 1 or 2 per cent of the population.

I understand why these assumptions about Governor Palin might be made based on the arms length distance by which access has been afforded to the public and the media.

I say time will tell if your assumptions are correct regarding her I.Q.- Intelligence can be gained quickly with experience. I wouldn't count out her ability to ascend a learning curve if she's not already up that curve more than you would speculate.

Also--your comment regarding "Interest in evangelical Christianity.
People who believe in the literal word of the Bible and get into evangelical Christianity are, on average, less intelligent than mainline Protestants."

I am an evangelical Christian, have 3 degrees and practice medicine. And I've lived and worked in Manhattan. This is also true for most of my colleagues.

I believe this statement is completely unfounded and untrue and to be honest, and borders absurd.

You must be commended on your other observations however.

Thanks.


This is the most elitist, arrogant and condescending piece I have ever read.

"One other issue is that Palin probably has an IQ at or under 110, based on her education and lack of attainment of any kind of advanced degree. Such a person is not competent to be President."

Truman wouldn't have made the cut, nor many others.

A shockingly elitist polemic. Whilst you claim the politics of common sense, your values are squarely with the Elite Left.

Just as there are people younger than you who are capable of supervising you, just as there are people who earn more money but are not as smart as you, there are people who are better leaders than you and are not as smart as you.

This is called talent.

The reactions to this post show how far the intellectual climate in this country has degraded and how far it has given over to wishful thinking.

I'm a PhD psychologist. The evidence for the existence of IQ and its predictive value is enormous and empirically overwhelming--it is a total postmodern canard that IQ has been debunked.

Go back and read the Bell Curve--despite the highly distorted coverage the book received, one thing it showed in an undeniable fashion is that the IQ science is mainstream science. They used large, longitudinal, national surveys and commonly used statistical methods to show how IQ is the single best predictor of educational attainment and (most relevant for this discussion) job performance. They reviewed every type and class of job performance (from policeman to lawyer) and IQ is the single best predictor of how people will do at all of them.

Of course, individuals do vary and people can have other attributes which offset IQ. While that is relevant to this discussion, it is a lie when applied en mass that IQ doesn't matter.

In this individual case--and knowing what I do on the subject, which is a considerable amount--there is no reason to suspect that Palin has an IQ of over 110-115, which I think is too low for a vice president during this time. There is nothing arrogant or wild about this fellow's post--it is moderate and conforms to what the science tells us.

Along these lines, I would hazard a guess that Obama has at least an IQ of 130, if not higher. His verbal IQ is particularly high--you can't write like he does without it. And, if you want to talk in the language of "EQ" (for our purposes, the ability to respond appropriately to other people's emotions), he is clearly also superior to either McCain (temperamental, unstable) or Palin (immature, sarcastic).

"The presidents in set B were all weak students (FDR and JFK barely graduated college). Nonetheless, all three were very effective presidents and among the best presidents in history. "

FDR: Flawed economic policies that prolonged the Great Depression. Actively sought to antagonize Japan and Germany against the wishes of the country at large. One suspects that he needed a war to distract from his poor economic policies.

JFK: Lost the PT 109 through sheer poor command decisions. Spun it in to electoral gold in the end. Bay of Pigs debacle, Cuban Missile Crisis to name two serious presidental failures. He said of the CMC words to the effect that he wished he hadn't said anything about it to begin with.

Liberals, luved, luved, luved, both these losers and gave them good press. So yeah, dumb presidents are a problem.


Dan Moragan wants to suggests that it takes a higher than 110 to go from PTA, to Governor of Alaska, to VP candidate of the the United States. I can respect the initiative it took to go from PTA to governor, but what, if anything, does being picked to be a VP have to do with anything related to IQ? Being chosen by the McCain campaign is a result of others, and totally independent of anything Palin did (aside from establishing her Evangelical bona fides and having high popularity numbers in a state were citizens are enjoying a windfall from high gas prices). Without a Downs Syndrome newborn, Palin has much affection from white, female voters.

Need I remind you, Dan Quayle was chosen to be VP, and it didn't improve his spelling.

Lee wants to talk about "talent," as opposed to intelligence. That would be an interesting debate given Palin's leadership deficiencies being exposed (left a trail debt and fired so many subordinants ons specious grounds that Wasilla had to hire a city manager). Compare this to the leadership "talent" Obama displayed over 18 months, garning 18 million votes, introducing new tactics and strategies with percision and discipline, that makes his campaign apparatus the envy of the Democratic Party. We don't know if it is enough to topple the Karl Rove operation, but the Clintons will confirm Obama's talent.

An IQ under 110 means you are dumb. I don't think she is dumb. I am a pretty smart person, but I have a learn disability. Even an IQ test is flawed. I don't care what Bush scores on his SATs. It exrpolates to an IQ of 125. You really think Bush could become an accountant, financial advisor or social scientisit (e.g. an economist)? Obviously, NOT! He is horrible with the economy and anyone smart enough to be an economist would be able to pick up some economic sense over the years. Honestly, Bush has an IQ of 105-115. If you think it's higher, look at his speech (verbal IQ) and decision making (logic IQ) He is below average in at least 2 component of intellegience. Hell, I can remember everything I read and do any math I come across, I know my IQ is higher than Bush, Palin and McCain but I know my IQ is under 135. Also, grades in college are not even an indicator. College teaches you how to pass test.-->hint, memorize the book.

If she did flunk out of college, I think that's sexy. I'm turned on by girls that flunk out, especially if their family has money.

So, is this blog post supposed to be a parody of an irrational person who is terrified of Palin and her politics?

I have a strong distaste for Sarah Palin due to her politics, experience, cronyism and pattern of thug like behavior (see today's New York Times article), but after reading your post, I find you just as distasteful.

Your arguments are ridiculous, dishonest and filled with bizarre generalizations. Much of what you say is baseless, i.e.: “The average IQ of Wasilla seems to be about 95”. That’s a joke, right?

You seem to take a no holds barred approach when trashing Palin that relies on simplistic generalizations instead of the scores of facts one can use to show what a poor choice McCain has made and that’ s just plain lazy.

Palin's college career certainly suggests she was flaky and indecisive, but come-on -- to say, "her college history seems indicative of someone who was barely able to graduate" is ridiculous. She transferred schools 5 or 6 times; in order to transfer to a school you must apply and be accepted and you often loose credits. It is likely that she had to do more work than an average college student does in order to make up for all non-transferrable credits and graduate. That certainly is dumb, but not in the way you suggest.

Bizarre:
"Comparing races, blacks have the highest self-confidence and Asians have the lowest self-confidence. But blacks have the lowest IQ and Asians have the highest IQ."
-- Is your name Archie Bunker?

“She majored in journalism but there’s no evidence that she ever wrote anything.”

Some news for you: The profession of journalism does not exclusively use the printed word. You may have watched a news program on television at one point in your life. What you observed while watching this news program were journalists practicing their profession in a non-print medium. Sarah did work at one point for a local news station as a journalist.

Additionally, here is evidence of something she wrote: The New York Times has published at least one OP-ED piece by Palin that is available here: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/05/opinion/05palin.html

Did she actually right the Op-ED? I don’t know, but it certainly serves as just one piece of evidence. You could have easily checked whether your claim had any merit and you did not.

Sincerely, a rational Obama supporter.

I saw a post on Yahoo Answers that claims she scored 425 Verbal and 416 Math on her SATs. The poster claims that the source is a high school associate of Palin's. Could someone from the media please try to confirm this?

Somebody wrote: "Bush picked Cheney not because he could give a perky speech, but because everyone believed that if Bush died in office, Cheney could take over and handle a national crisis."

Got news for you. It's just come out in the press that Cheney never vetted the list of potential VPs that he was given when he was handed the job of recommending next VP. Instead, he pocketed the list, stonewalled a while, then recommended himself. Smell the scent of Rove? Working in tandem with Darth Vader... Bush was completely out of the loop -- just as he's almost always been since Cheney/Rumsfeld/Wolfowitz/Feith, et al have been running the country --with Rove pulling
strings behind the scene.

Hi, I submitted a comment last week that was deleted. I realize I violated Sigma's comment policy, so what follows is a revised version of my original post that conforms with Sigma's comment policy.
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Is this blog post a parody of an irrational person that is terrified of Palin and her politics?

I have a strong distaste for Sarah Palin due to her politics, experience, cronyism and pattern of thug like behavior (see the New York Times article, "Once Elected, Palin Hired Friend and Lashed Foes"), but I find your post just as distasteful.

The arguments in your post are ridiculous, dishonest and filled with bizarre generalizations. Much of what is outlined in the post is baseless, i.e.: “The average IQ of Wasilla seems to be about 95”. That’s a joke, right? Have you ever been to Alaska; have you ever been to Wasilla; is there some kind of environmental condition such as a lead contaminated water supply that would make you put forth such a claim?

Many points seem to defer to the authority of one’s Intelligence Quotient as if it were some sort of magical talisman that can explain everything.

Your rhetorical style seems to take a no holds barred approach when trashing Palin that relies on simplistic generalizations instead of the scores of facts one can use to show what a poor choice McCain has made and that’s just plain lazy.

Palin's college career certainly suggests that she was flaky and indecisive (25 years ago), but come-on -- to say, "her college history seems indicative of someone who was barely able to graduate" is ridiculous. Palin transferred schools 5 or 6 times; in order to transfer to a school you must apply and the institution must accept you; those who transfer often loose credits.

It is likely that Palin had to do more work than what an average college student must in order to make up for all non-transferrable credits and graduate.
That certainly is dumb, but not in the manner that your post suggests.

Bizarre:
"Comparing races, blacks have the highest self-confidence and Asians have the lowest self-confidence. But blacks have the lowest IQ and Asians have the highest IQ."

What’s the origin of this ‘fact’; what is your citation? I searched through an online copy of The Bell Curve and found nothing from that esteemed tome.

“She majored in journalism but there’s no evidence that she ever wrote anything.”
Some news for you: The profession of journalism does not exclusively use the printed word. You may have watched a news program on television at one point in your life. What you observed while watching this news program were journalists practicing their profession in a non-print medium. Sarah did work at one point for a local news station as a “journalist”.

Additionally, here is evidence of something she wrote: The New York Times has published at least one OP-ED piece by Palin that is available here: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/05/opinion/05palin.html

Did she actually write the Op-ED? I don’t know, but it certainly serves as just one piece of evidence. You could have easily checked whether your claim had any merit and you did not.

Sincerely, a rational Obama supporter.

True enough. Self-confidence can help you deal with people and gain their trust. That is why with self-confidence you can succeed with your goals or dreams in life because you believe in yourself. You also get to develop good relationship with people.

With the IQ thing, one's IQ wouldn't be that useful if he doesn't have confidence. People needs a confident leader.

If you are good looking (as she is); you don't need much brains to reach a certain level.

Fortunately, her lack of intelligence is being highlighted every time she opens her mouth.

What is really scary is that McCain could not detect it during his 15 minute interview of her prior to selecting her as his running mate.

I think it goes to his lack of intelligence, as smart people can normally recognize intelligence; where not so smart people are easily impressed with fluff.

Let's face it, she's DUMB. She talks like white trash, and her speech at the convention she quoted a big fat racist saying, "we grow good people in our small towns"

America can do better than her.

To the commenter who said, "guessing people's IQ scores is plain silly", no, not at all. There is a whole branch of politics called pyschobiography that attempts to psychoanalyze political leaders from their writings, speeches, family history, actions, etc. It's often fruitful to look at early childhood traumas, abuse, spiritual conversions, substance misuse as well as career achievements and disappointments.

Religious mania and an attraction to charismatic dogmas is often driven by borderline personality disorders or father complexes. In as much as Bush has been named a "dry drunk", Palin may be fairly described as highly aspirant -- she aspires to a better lifestyle, more prestige, etc. through a litany of reasons why she 'deserves' to proser (God's will, etc.). She appears intelligent enough to realize she's out of her league, but deluded enough to believe that it's part of a divine plan (to put incompetent ideologues in the White House -- good plan, G).

What do we know about her father?

You motherfuckers are all dead when I catch you in the library.

McCain's IQ has been identified as 133, Biden's IQ is 146. [Half sigma: highly unlikely given that Biden graduated at the bottom of the class at a mediocre law school. No link, I think this is something a liberal just made up on the internet.] Here is evidence of Obama's IQ from WikiPedia:


[quote] What is Barack Obama's IQ?

He has not released that information. From the information available:

The average IQ for a college graduate with a bachelor's degree in the U.S. is 115.

Obama graduated Magna Cum Laude from Harvard Law School.

Obama's IQ has been guesstimated as 1) lower than 140-165 and 2) between 140-165, possibly higher. The IQ value is estimated against his achievements as a graduate of Columbia University and Harvard Law School, where he served as editor, and later as president of the Harvard Law Review; which is an extremely prestigious position. Obama also taught at the University of Chicago for over 10 years, a top-ranked university in the United States.

Obama attended an elite private school in Honolulu as a scholarship student. He had previously been in school in Indonesia, so his scholarship was almost certainly not based on marks, but on extremely high entrance exam scores.[unquote]

Palin has no-where-near the IQ of either Obama or Biden, and I'm sure doesn't even come close to the 133 of her own running mate. We've had 8 years of dumb in the White House -- give the smart guys a chance.

Cheney was kicked out of Yale. Then he went back to Wyoming and graduated at some college there.

I don't think Cheney's I.Q. is any higher than Palins and definately not GWBush's I.Q.

By the way, I am a Dem..voting for Obama.

hahahahahahahahaha i love this kid who ever made this website u own i am only 15 and cannot effect the voting world quite yet but i do kno that sarah palin is a fucking dumbass and ur website proves it. The only reason there was a "tie" in the debate was the expectations of her were so low and she met them i mean how sad and pathetic is that haha but anyway keep it up bro

I've devised an IQ test to determine if you are above or below the median IQ for the United States.

Question One: Sarah Palin's IQ is:

A. 115 or above
B. below 115.

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