Ivy League educated prostitutes

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[P]rosecutors allege that Cristina Warthen failed to pay taxes on more than $133,000 she earned as a prostitute in 2003, jetting off as a call girl for clients in Washington, D.C., Chicago, New York and other cities. The government has charged her with felony tax evasion for failing to pay about $25,000 in federal income taxes.

What’s unusual about this is that Cristina Warthen (married to rich Ask Jeeves founder David Warthen) graduated from Stanford Law School in 2001. This was a news story from several years ago, but apparently the government was unable to prove the prostitution charges, so now they are doing an “Al Capone” on her by charging her with tax fraud. Under normal circumstances, no one would be prosecuted for felony tax fraud for merely failing to pay $25,000. That’s small change.

More about this at Above the Law. There’s an older article about her here. I tried to to find a link to a good photo, but all I could find was this. She's only 5 feet tall but has DD sized breasts. And she's buff—she was allegedly a “fitness model.”

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Stanford is a Pac-10 school and not an Ivy League school, but it made for a good headline.

Comments

[Peter]

"only 5 feet tall but has DD sized breasts"

Fake, obviously. As you can tell from the picture.

[Turambar]

First off, the girl has a horrible, low class look.

Did that contribute to what seems like a rather meager rake of $133K? She did land a husband out of her adventure but now she has to put up with all her peer group laughing at her. And if she ever has children, they'll also get teased about there mother's profession.

Finally, for Peter's benefit I'll point out she went under the name "Brazil", which implies a lot of waxing.

[Peter]

"Finally, for Peter's benefit I'll point out she went under the name "Brazil", which implies a lot of waxing."

Oh, no ...

[roissy]

paging david alexander...

[Cameron]

Wow! I always assumed all prostitutes were dull, but I guess there is some incentive to become a prostitute even if you graduated from Stanford and have access to big law.

[BrunoBrazil]

Maybe a law school diploma and passing the bar doesn´t take nobody anywhere. A beautiful woman can realize that she can earn more with prostitution.

Well, that is the problem of studying: only a very narrow group of majors give access to a middle-class living when there are lots of people with college degrees. Some of them are:

1- MBA and business school.
2- computer science
3- engineeering (only a limited group of engineering: civil, electric, electronic, computer, oil, metalurgical)
4-medicine.
5-nursing.
6-accounting.
7-actuarioal science.

None of them in the human sciences.
Have I forgotten any? Maybe you can add more four or five.

[Jun]

"Finally, for Peter's benefit I'll point out she went under the name 'Brazil', which implies a lot of waxing."

Apparently she's from Brazil -- German-Brazilian:

"I am a 'giver' by nature and I LOVE meeting new people and exploring new things. If any warm body will fulfill your needs, I am not the girl for you. If you are however, searching for something more, someone who wants to understand, appreciate, and savor every aspect of what makes you unique, we need to talk.

"In order to fulfill this promise, I do however, have to limit my time to a few interesting friends. Multiple-hour visits are necessary to achieving your satisfaction… every friendship gets better over time."

http://web.archive.org/web/20040212234340/www.touchofbrazil.net/about-brazil.htm

Ha!

[Half Sigma]

"Maybe a law school diploma and passing the bar doesn´t take nobody anywhere."

True of most law degrees, but a Stanford JD guarantees you a BIGLAW job.

[Peter]

"Well, that is the problem of studying: only a very narrow group of majors give access to a middle-class living when there are lots of people with college degrees. Some of them are:
1- MBA and business school.
2- computer science
3- engineeering (only a limited group of engineering: civil, electric, electronic, computer, oil, metalurgical)
4-medicine.
5-nursing.
6-accounting.
7-actuarioal science."

Having an MBA from a low-rated business school may not help very much. I don't believe the caste system for business schools is quite as pronounced as it is for law schools, but it exists.

Some other health-related majors can be added to the marketable degree list, such as pharmacy and physical therapy.

One thing I'm not sure about is the value of an undergrad degree in a hard science such as chemistry or physics. As far as I know a degree of this sort isn't as marketable as an engineering degree, but is much better than one in liberal arts. Is this correct?

[Rick]

When highly educated, intelligent women are this depraved, we know there really is no turning back for out society's degradation.

I chatted with a CORNELL Undergrad, YALE Law grad who actually posted a Craigslist ad for 2 random guys to come over and fuck her silly this weekend. It's not still up but she had her pic up even! People like this need to be shamed out of this disgusting and reckless behavior, especially ones who should know better. I am in the process of investigating and finding out the identity of this woman.

[roissy]

"I chatted with a CORNELL Undergrad, YALE Law grad who actually posted a Craigslist ad for 2 random guys to come over and fuck her silly this weekend."

this doesn't surprise me. ambitious, multi-degreed lawyer chicks are more masculine than chicks in less testosterone-charged academic environments. they often have the sexual appetite and uninhibited personalities to act on those appetites that high-libido men have. this is also partly the reason why they have fewer children than their more feminine sisters.

[Turambar]

"Maybe a law school diploma and passing the bar doesn´t take nobody anywhere. A beautiful woman can realize that she can earn more with prostitution."

I was thinking that perhaps she had slept around to get study notes and dated professors to get her through but at the end realized that she couldnt get very far on her own with her law ability.

However netting $133K (tax free) doesnt seem like such a career. If you weigh the possible negative out comes (which she has run into) the fact that she is wasting her prime years on something that has such a short self life seems ill advised. What was she supposed to do as a 28yo used up prostitute who has a suspicious 4 year gap in her resume. $133K isnt FU money after all.

Unrelatedly I see on ATL that I see the law outsourcing invasion that HS feared a couple of years ago seems to be incipient. I wonder if it a good idea to be no-so customer facing like tax law.
http://abovethelaw.com/2008/09/while_wall_street_collapses_mu.php#more
"Another legal outsourcing firm, UnitedLex Corporation, has plans to more than treble its headcount to 1000 by the end of the current fiscal, according to the company's Chief Solutions Officer, Mr Ajay Agrawal.

"These additions are essential owing to the quantum of work that we have just been awarded. About 75 per cent of our overall employee base will consist of legal and para-legal professionals," said Mr Agrawal

Demand side constraints are few as India produces around 80,000 law graduates every year."

[Cameron]

"Well, that is the problem of studying: only a very narrow group of majors give access to a middle-class living when there are lots of people with college degrees."

I know of people with human sciences degrees who work in sales and make a very middle class living.

[mnjohn]

""I chatted with a CORNELL Undergrad, YALE Law grad who actually posted a Craigslist ad for 2 random guys to come over and fuck her silly this weekend."

Please get a picture of this woman so we can see what she looks like. If she's even a 6 or a 7 it would have been worth it even with the extra cock there. Anything lower and definitely not.

[Bruno Brazil]

"Well, that is the problem of studying: only a very narrow group of majors give access to a middle-class living when there are lots of people with college degrees.

I know of people with human sciences degrees who work in sales and make a very middle class living".

You confirm my thoughts: if you are a philosophy major you can only get a decent living as long as you NOT actually use your college training.

You can get a sales job without a degree. The only thing you need is a good lip-service. You have it or not.

Only finance your children´s higher education if he majors in:

1-actuarial
2-engineering.
3-IT
4-computer science
5-medicine
6-pharmacy
7-nursing
8-accounting
9-business

You will be doing him a favour by actually thwarting his ambitions in a useless major.

[Half Sigma]

Pharmacy and nursing are low class majors. High class people become doctors.

[agnosti]

That looks like a transvestite. You bang her, and you're definitely in the "men who have sex with men" category.

[Half Sigma]

She looks female to me. I can tell by the breasts.

[Bruno from Paris.]

Interesting case. Harvard + Jd Stanford waou ....

Many Photos : http://web.archive.org/web/20040213022046/www.touchofbrazil.net/photos-brazil.htm

[fg]

Her rates are a in the Spitzer range, way out of my league. I wonder what she'd charge to let me whack off in a telephone booth while she walked by.

[curious]

Peter, you said:

"One thing I'm not sure about is the value of an undergrad degree in a hard science such as chemistry or physics. As far as I know a degree of this sort isn't as marketable as an engineering degree, but is much better than one in liberal arts. Is this correct?"

I can't speak to Chemistry, but Physics majors do *very* well for themselves as long as they eventually leave Physics. A lot of engineers get hired into what I generally call 'generic high level tech work'. It's usually not what they were specifically taught in school, but it pays well, and it changes fast. You need strong technical backgrounds to play. For most of these jobs a Physics degree trumps an Engineering degree because that ability to work and adapt to highly technical subjects is *much* greater with Physics majors than Engineering majors.

Oh... and I have several friends who did Physics + Law and are making a fortune doing IP Law... because if you can follow the science and know the IP Law you are a very rare and valuable commodity.

[David Alexander]

"She's only 5 feet tall but has DD sized breasts."
...
"First off, the girl has a horrible, low class look. "
...
"paging david alexander..."

She sounds perfect because of her horrible low class look and large fake breasts. She may not have the classical beauty of a smart high IQ girl, but if I'm going to trudge around the proles, I'd prefer the most sexualized looking prole females, especially for short-term relationships.

"only a very narrow group of majors give access to a middle-class living when there are lots of people with college degrees"

As an interesting note, I failed out of two of the majors, I'm took shy and social phobic for business school, too stupid for med school, too clumsy for nursing, and too stupid for accounting or actuarial science. In other words, those of us in the average to barely above average portion of the Bell Curve (say 100-110) who want white collar jobs to appear middle class and respectable may have long-term financial issues...

Pharmacy and nursing are low class majors.

As an anecdote, the only person that I know who went into a pharmacy programme was a prole white Irish Catholic girl, but the 6 year de facto Chemistry major programme is essentially a barrier to low and medium IQ proles.

BTW, nursing can vary easily. LPNs, RNs, & APNs have different qualifying programmes varying from two years to college to completion of a masters degree program.

[agnostic]

"She looks female to me."

You didn't look at her face -- if you showed the pic to a group of people and said, "Here's a man who has fake boobs," no one would object.

She's not my type but men with plenty of options to hire other women were willing to pay good money for the privilege of banging her and she bagged a multimillionaire husband to boot. Obviously plenty of people out there think she's hot - maybe she's one of those women whose magic works in person.

[Scott]

"Have I forgotten any? Maybe you can add more four or five."

I graduated a few years back with a major in communication studies. I've made 24-33k a year since graduating which really sucks. I am now at an average graduate school completing a master of public administration program; I’m in an accelerate cohort with means I get my masters in 2 years while working full time. Crazy. My employer is flexible to I take time off to write papers sometimes.

For state and local government, it really doesn't matter so much where you go to school get your MPA/MPP. City managers make $150k++. An average salary for an MPA is probably $70k. Government pays well except when compared to the upper echelons of the private sector, where most people—even with MBAs, are not able to rise to.

Government work, especially if you have a masters, leads to an upper-middle class life where it's hard to fire you, and you get a great pension; so this is my justification for not pursuing the MBA. Oh yeah, I suck at math too.

Goverment work never pays well and if by you getting a masters degree in public administration(bulshit) from an average school leads you to a job paying six figures then people shouldn't complain when it takes fema a week to clear out the superdome.

[Botswana]

Who is this "David Alexander" character I
keep seeing on the internet? Seriously, buddy, stop bitching about what a loser you
are and how stupid or socially inept you are to other socially-maladjusted, bitter, underacheiving losers on the blogosphere,
who in return treat you like shit. You must be some kind of masochist, talking being genetically fucked intellectually because of
your blackness. Do you have any dignity or self-regard? See a psychiatrist; they might be able to help you. That Prozac might help you, maybe you need Adderall to help you concentrate. Do something, rather than bitch and let yourself be walked on for the rest of your life.

[Bruno Brazil]

Goverment work never pays well

In Brazil they pay extremely well and the competition to get in one of them is very fierce.

I have a friend of mine who became a state judge. She graduated order of the coif with straight A´s from the Brazilian equivalent of Harvard Law.

But the practiced law for three years and then quit, studied for five years for the judge examination (an extremely difficult one) and passed after five years in her parents basement studying 10 hours a day.

[Scott]

In Minnesota, where I’m from, governmental work does pay well, and in general it does throughout the USA. It only does not pay well at the highest levels, when compared to the private sector. It’s easy to get a job in state or local government, but you often have to start in smaller towns.

http://www.lmnc.org/page/1/city-jobs.jsp
http://ww2.wisconsin.gov/state/employment/app

Many of the people in my class are city planners (pay $42k to start, guaranteed raises based on tenure not performance (!), senior planners are at $65k). We have program development people (!), contract managers, etc who are all pulling down $5-=60k right now working no more than 40 hours a week, in the easy-going/relaxed work environment of a cushy gov’t job. There’s a cop in my class, undergrads who majored in finance, a guy who works as a civil engineering consultant with a degree from Madison, etc.

Yes, I agree, it is a BS master degree. I could get into an average law school but law bores the hell out of me, so I ruled that out. And like I said I suck at math so the MBA did not appeal to me. For my MPA, I just have to take one class with minor stats (basic algebra), and the rest is reading and writing like any typical non-quant. masters program. On the other hand, a MPP is even more quant. than an MBA. They have to take 2 classes in Econ and 2 in hard stats. MPP’s go into policy MPA’s manage.

[mnjohn]

I'm from Minnesota too. Maybe if you got promoted to city manager it would be an ok gig, but is there only one city manager? 65-70k isn't a high paying job at all and with my bachelors degree in actuarial science(very vocational, I know) and working in p/c insurance I'm not going to make anything less that 250k once I pass all the exams and move up into a director role.

[Scott]

Actuarial science is a good degree if you like and are good at math. I think that you are over predicting your odds of making money, however.

http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Actuary/Salary/by_Years_Experience

[mnjohn]

The pay scale you showed is assuming you don't get promoted to any kind of management. Almost all actuaries once they become fully certified can become upper management. The salaries are much higher. Google DW Simpson and look at their salary scales.

[Bruno from Paris.]

In spain, there is an official government job Registrador de la propriedad (some one who keeps all title of property). They make on average 2.4 millions dollars a year (1800000€) free of taxes. You've got to study 10 years on average to succeed (the exam is quite stupid : you've got to learn 370 subjects of 1 pages by heart, and you have 2 oral examination where you've got to tell by heart 6 subjects in 90 minutes (15 minutes each).

Those competition are a way to keep the best jobs inter cognoscenti : no one has the gut to lose 10 years after 23 (you need a master in law) and 35 years old to be able to know by heart some 4000 pages of law except insiders. Cognoscenti begin their study before entering university (some at 15 yo) as the program doesn't change much.

[Bruno from Paris.]

In spain, there is an official government job Registrador de la propriedad (some one who keeps all title of property). They make on average 2.4 millions dollars a year (1800000€) free of taxes. You've got to study 10 years on average to succeed (the exam is quite stupid : you've got to learn 370 subjects of 1 pages by heart, and you have 2 oral examination where you've got to tell by heart 6 subjects in 90 minutes (15 minutes each).

Those competition are a way to keep the best jobs inter cognoscenti : no one has the gut to lose 10 years after 23 (you need a master in law) and 35 years old to be able to know by heart some 4000 pages of law except insiders. Cognoscenti begin their study before entering university (some at 15 yo) as the program doesn't change much.

[Bruno from Paris.]

each subject is 10 to 15 pages long so you've got to know by heart a bit more that 4000 pages. There is another one "notary" who is a bit easier (need 8 years after a master on average).

http://www.notariosyregistradores.com/

[CN]

Pharmacy and nursing are low class majors. High class people become doctors.

Posted by: Half Sigma |

And doctors have a s*it load of student loan debt compared to the average nurse. Nurses can go up to the Phd level without a load of debt. Pharmacy is also another good field, if you want to make 75-90k and have time off, Pharmacy is the way to go.

[CN]

Pharmacy and nursing are low class majors. High class people become doctors.

Posted by: Half Sigma |

And doctors have a s*it load of student loan debt compared to the average nurse. Nurses can go up to the Phd level without a load of debt. Pharmacy is also another good field, if you want to make 75-90k and have time off, Pharmacy is the way to go.

[doug1]

"Stanford is a Pac-10 school and not an Ivy League school, but it made for a good headline."

Stanford is better than most Ivy league schools (other than Harvard and Yale with which it is usually grouped) by almost any measure, from the admissions profile of it's entering undergraduates or graduate students, to eminence of it's research faculty, to numbers of nobel winners on faulty, to the size of it's endowment, and on and on. That is not really a subject of much debate. It's been the case since at second half of the twentieth century began.

It's geographical location and to a lesser extent fairly late date of founding (late 19th century) has kept it from being technically Ivy League, but if any school west of the Appalachian mountains deserves that honorary title, most would put Stanford at the stop of the list.

There are other truly excellent Western schools that fit in a different, public university sort of profile, that are in fact also competitive with the Ivy League in some respects, and exceed it in others. Cal Tech is small but may have the brightest student body in the country, albeit almost entirely in technology and sciences (100% nerds?). Berkeley, or at least some of its graduate departments, is also top level. The University of Chicago is also up there and private.

Some traditional Ivy's like Cornell aren't really that stellar and certainly don't really compare to Stanford; nor do Darmouth or Brown for that matter, nor really Columbia.

[doug1]

Apparently her husband has lots of money. He founded Ask Jeeves. Got to mean millions.

Does nobody else wonder why some guy who isn't a leeching pimp type would be ok with his wife hooking? Apparently she didn't just act as the madame but also took clients, as most (approaching all) madams have in their past.

[Moe Glick]

Yeah. Brown doesn't stack up to Stanford. That's why Jackie O sent JFK Jr. to Brown. That's why Jimmie Carter sent his daughter, Amy, to Brown. That's why the Rockefeller scions go to Brown. That's why the Rothschild scions go to Brown. Yeah. I geuss they all can't afford to send their kids to Stanford.

Stanford is not in the Ivy League for a reason. It doesn't belong there.