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October 23, 2008

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What possible rationale is there for "investigating" this "mystery"?

Keep in mind that this is the same New York Times that purposely did not publish actual news like Jesse Jackson's threat against Obama made into an open mike, or the quotes from Obama's main spiritual mentor Rev. Wright.

The interesting thing is how Palin's wardrobe expenses attract more interest Obama's apparently illegal foreign campaign contributions. Pam Geller has been doing a lot with this. Here's a brief quote:

I have been researching, documenting and studying thousands upon thousands of Obama's campaign donations for the past month. Egregious abuse was immediately evident and I published the results of my ongoing investigation. Each subsequent post built a more damning case against Obama's illegal contribution activity.

Read the whole thing: http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/08/obamas_donor_contributions_sil.html

HS - "I get the feeling that a good chunk of the $150,000 supposedly spent on the Palins' wardrobe may have actually been embezzled by one or more dishonest Republican campaign workers."

Exactly what I was implying in my response to Vim's having brought the "issue" up in another thread yesterday.

http://www.halfsigma.com/2008/10/four-families-in-brooklyn-support-mccain.html#comment-135935357

$150,000 for clothes, makeup, hair, nails, etc. is quite a lot - especially for the rather narrow timeframe in which it supposedly happened. Seriously, potentially we're talking truckloads of merchandise.

Embezzling is a possibility. Someone suggested the personal shopper padded the bill with items for him/herself and/or included the bill for services as part of the invoice.

It is reasonable to expect the campaign to offer a cogent explanation. Falsely filing campaign disclosure statements is a crime.

The crazies are out in full force around here.

(Photo Of McCain Volunteer Attacked and Mutilated In Pittsburgh)

http://www.postchronicle.com/news/original/article_212181100.shtml

"Photo Of McCain Volunteer Attacked and Mutilated In Pittsburgh"

She was robbed at an ATM. I don't see any reason to assume that her support of McCain was relevant.

I'm a little suspicious of that crime victim. It just seems a little too weird.

We expect black males to behave like that ATM thief. We expect blacks to riot if Obama loses. People have low expectations of black males. The racism of low expectations and affirmative action.

That's shocking. Think of what must be going on in the Obama campaign then -- he's got a LOT more money.

At least Palin has some clothes to show for the money, unlike Obama and Ayers who spent $100 million of the Annenberg challenge to no effect.

How about the Obama campaign's credit card fraud, or have you let yourself be totally co-opted, HS?

slwerner:

Are you saying they are stupid? I think either you or I would have the good sense to question a $150,000 dollar bill for clothes and what have you, yes? How are they supposed to run country and cut spending if they are being robbed blind in such blatant ways? They are being outrageously outspent by Obama, it's hugely in their interest to detect waste and fraud and when it comes down to it, they couldn't manage it. It's pretty sad I think.

Half Sigma, I'd like to hear your commentary on McCain attacking Obama because the Dem's tax plan would hit trusts created for "special needs" children. See http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122479805936064375.html

Posted by: Vim | October 24, 2008 at 02:10 AM

That proves it! Nice work...Idiot

Vim - "Are you saying they are stupid? I think either you or I would have the good sense to question a $150,000 dollar bill for clothes and what have you, yes? How are they supposed to run country and cut spending if they are being robbed blind in such blatant ways?"

I have no problem with calling them stupid if the managers of the campaign allowed so seemly obvious fraudulent charges. Likewise, if they actually DID spend that much on Palin's "look", I’d also call them stupid.

I'm very much a principles-over-party-over-personality person, so I also have no trouble with workers who defrauded the campaign being found out and prosecuted – even if it looks bad for the McCain campaign.

Gross mismanagement of campaign funds does reflect badly on a candidates abilities; but, so should associating with radical leftist terrorists, being a tithe paying member of a white-hating racists church, and taking large campaign donations from unnamed overseas interests – but few people seem to care about such failings in Obama’s character. Do you?

Look we can't fob this off on the 'managers'. This has direct bearing on what kind of leaders Palin and McCain would be. One man can't run a country. Obviously, as president, there will be many 'managers' and many four thousand dollar hammers. If they can't root this out in their campaign then they have no way of rooting this out of the budget, "line by line" as they like to say.

Vim – “Look we can't fob this off on the 'managers'.”

Are you being serious? In busy election campaigns, candidates always rely heavily on others to manage the campaign. It’s unlikely that McCain reviewed any of the expenditure documents. Granted, relying on those who prove to be untrustworthy IS a knock on a candidate such as McCain – especially when his campaign is going to be under much tighter scrutiny than is his opponents (who the press is giving a free pass to).

McCain’s campaign manager either authorized workers to spend too much, and/or failed to scrutinize their expenditures. Either demonstrates that they are not trustworthy.

If McCain were a man of principle, heads would roll.

I would guess that Obama’s campaign has it’s own list of questionable expenditures, but the press isn’t going to let the public know about them. And, I would hardly expect Obama to do anything about it anyway, since I do no hold him to be a man of principles.

slwerner:

"but few people seem to care about such failings in Obama’s character. Do you?"

No. I wouldn't even say they were failings. They were clearly the tactical moves that have brought him, a black man with two Arabic names similar to two of America's greatest current enemies, to the presidency so at the very least they were brilliant and logical steps to take.

1. I don't see Wright and Ayers as that crazy. They are respected in Chicago. So either Chicago doesn't count as really America or the rest of the country just needs to trust their fellow Americans and get over it.

2. The black community is complex. There are loudmouths that mean what they are saying and there are ones that don't. I think Wright is in the former categor. If Wright's church is so racist, why do they let white people attend and why did Wright go off to defend Bill Clinton when he was getting impeached? Obviously, the relationship with white America is more complex right?

3. I don't know anything about which overseas concerns have been paying Obama off. You'll have to explain that one to me. I agree it would be a serious problem for a US candidate to have too much dependency of non-US sources of money.

slwerner:

"In busy election campaigns, candidates always rely heavily on others to manage the campaign."

They claim to have an uncommon ability to root out financial mismanagement. It's a significant part of to their platform. They claim they have infinite patience for going through budgets 'line by line'. I for one always thought this was a ridiculous claim but they made it . As president, there will always be something going on so being busy is no excuse as far as I'm concerned.

Vim – “3. I don't know anything about which overseas concerns have been paying Obama off. You'll have to explain that one to me. I agree it would be a serious problem for a US candidate to have too much dependency of non-US sources of money.”

Here’s the first entry from a search which reports 331,000 results:

Obama money from abroad could total $3.3 million http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics/AP/story/716969.html

“Obama money from abroad could total $3.3 million
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
WASHINGTON -- Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama has raised about $3.3 million from contributors who did not list a home state or who designated their state with an abbreviation that did not match one of the 50 states or U.S. territories, according to records provided by the Federal Election Commission.

Most of those contributors did identify themselves as living abroad in foreign cities. Under federal law, foreign citizens cannot make political contributions, but U.S. citizens living abroad can.

The Republican National Committee filed a complaint with the Federal Election Commission on Monday asking for an investigation of Obama's foreign contributions, among other things.

The FEC on Monday provided The Associated Press with a spread sheet of potential overseas donors that did not include contributors who left their state designation blank. As a result, the list was incomplete.

The $3.3 million total does not include donors who have given less than $200 and whose contributions do not have to be itemized. Some of that money could also have come from overseas. About half of Obama's $455 million in contributions so far are unitemized. The campaign does not identify those donors.

Obama senior adviser David Axelrod, speaking to reporters en route to Nashville, Tenn., on Tuesday, noted that anyone can donate to the campaign through the Internet. "We monitor these things as best we can," he said.

Republican John McCain's campaign lists all his donors, even those who give less than $200, on his Web site.

The Obama campaign has begun to request passport numbers from donors to verify their citizenship.
Asked why the Obama campaign doesn't do the same and open its database to the public, Axelrod said the campaign returns improper contributions.
"Obviously we've got a huge database of contributors," he said. "It's valuable to our campaign... We're probably more forthcoming about disclosure than anyone."

Independent watchdog groups, however, have asked the campaign to provide more information about its fundraisers and to at least provide information about small donors by zip code or country from where they donate. “

In the past, more principled candidates have made it a habit to return such questionable/tainted contributions.

Vim – “They claim they have infinite patience for going through budgets 'line by line'. I for one always thought this was a ridiculous claim but they made it .”

McCain’s overstatement is certainly proving quite the gaff – might even rank right up there with some of Biden’s.

Still, I have more trouble with Obama’s understating of his ties to Ayers and Wright, associations with whom I see as more telling as to what type of man Obama is and what kind of leader he will be.

1. Obama wants to be the middle of the road guy. He wants to be compromiser. Compromisers can't stand too firmly on principles.

2. 3 million is nothing compared to the 600 million he's already raised.

3. The contributers sound like they are small donations and hard to trace which suggests they would have very little control over him which is the usual concern with such things.

4. If McCain is so principled why did he attack young Chelsea Clinton with mean jokes? Is it typical for a honorable grown men to attack the self-image of teen girls?

"...think either you or I would have the good sense to question a $150,000 dollar bill for clothes and what have you, yes."

2. 3 million is nothing compared to the 600 million he's already raised

"They claim to have an uncommon ability to root out financial mismanagement. It's a significant part of to their platform. They claim they have infinite patience for going through budgets 'line by line'. I for one always thought this was a ridiculous claim but they made it . As president, there will always be something going on so being busy is no excuse as far as I'm concerned."

So $150,000 on threads is a cause for alarm, but $3 million isn't a problem? Even if the $3 million is a small % of the total, being busy is no excuse. You need to make up you mind and try and stay consistent or people will think you are full of shit.


Turns out that the McCain supporter who got mugged at an ATM by evil black Obama supporters was a complete fabrication.

Typical white trash.

Jim Beam - "Turns out that the McCain supporter who got mugged at an ATM by evil black Obama supporters was a complete fabrication."

I figured that it was going to turn out to be a hoax. The biggest "giveaway" to most of these racial-attack hoaxes is the "messages" left on the victims person (shades of Twana Brawley).

I do wonder if this girl will be charged with a crime or get the Crystal Gail Mangum Treatment - legal fees paid for, college tution paid, and a book deal to further profit from her crime?

"I figured that it was going to turn out to be a hoax. The biggest "giveaway" to most of these racial-attack hoaxes is the "messages" left on the victims person (shades of Twana Brawley)."

Even if this was a hoax, it draws attention to the whole issue at hand.

Liberal response – “Even if this was a hoax, it draws attention to the whole issue at hand.”

I would imagine that her intention was to draw attention to herself.

I’m not quite sure what “issue” you see going on here? If you mean that a few rogue individuals, who support on candidate, will in some manner attack those who support the opposition candidate; I’m not sure that there is any real issue. Given the sheer number of supports on either side, there’s bound to be incidents – both ways. But, I’d hardly consider them statistically meaningful. I would hesitate to ascribe any responsibility to any candidate for the misdeeds of supporters or even low-level volunteers.

Or, if your referring to hate-crime hoaxes, in general, they too are comparatively few. I don’t have any hard numbers to support it, but my feeling is that, on balance, it is more likely to be a NAM (or, in some cases I’ve seen in recent years, a Jewish person) who fakes an ethnic attack. I think that it has something to do with the belief (largely borne out) that the media will show greater sympathy to them and give their “case” greater coverage than would be afforded to the reverse situation.

Again, no hard numbers, just my impression.

Vim – “3 million is nothing compared to the 600 million he's already raised.”

Vim,

What if it were $63 Million?

Obama’s Secret Campaign Cash: Has $63 Million Flowed from Foreign Sources? http://www.newsmax.com/timmerman/obama_illegal_donations/2008/10/19/141979.html

Naw, I suspect you won't care. Obama's (self identified) black, your black; what ever he does to get elected is cool with you.

slwerner:

I literally don't know what you are talking about. The 'associates with terrorists' thing means absolutely nothing to me. I have spent most of my life looking at public figures shaking hands with killers. To Iraqis, America soldiers are terrorists. (I am not America so I am obliged to at least consider the Iraqi point of view.)

I don't really see, BEYOND A CERTAIN LEVEL, what McCain and Obama's moral compass has to do with being in charge. Who do you think is a better soldier, a devout Quaker pacifist or a combat specialist who sometimes beats his wife?

Finally, I see the problem of foreign money differently:

1. Because I know non-Americans who tried to donate to Obama and couldn't because they weren't American so I know it's not that easy.

2. Because the idea that Obama might listen more to people outside America than Bush is a good thing for the rest of us on the planet. As long as it's not one of the crazy dictators or Osama, then I don't care.

3. Because America is beholden to the Chinese anyway.

Some web site claims that Palin has an IQ of 132 and suggests I take a test to see if my IQ is greater than hers ...

I wonder if it is true?

Vim said: The black community is complex. There are loudmouths that mean what they are saying and there are ones that don't. I think Wright is in the former categor. If Wright's church is so racist, why do they let white people attend and why did Wright go off to defend Bill Clinton when he was getting impeached? Obviously, the relationship with white America is more complex right?
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*blows vim a kiss*

Excellent observation Vim and very few people are capable of seeing the difference. Wright's problem is with the American government. Like many older African-Americans, he is distrustful note the Tuskegee experiment and black wall st Tulsa, Oklahoma for starters

3. Because America is beholden to the Chinese anyway.
Posted by: Vim
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Partial courtesy goes to GW Bush for stimulus un and possible deux.

I'll admit, my comment was just to spark debate about that subject. What should really be discussed is to what extent does the media provide coverage for a NAM who fabricates a story about "white hate crimes"?

Probably zero.

Half Sigma, what do you think of the McCain and Palin camps feuding?

I wander the dessert landscape of the web thirsting for a blog with insight. I have wandered to this place, and it is naught but a mirage.

If Sara Palin is the no-nonsense frugal hockey mom that she purports to be, she should have said “Thanks but no thanks,” to the RNC when they offered her a $150 K wardrobe and $11.4 K a week makeup artist, as she supposedly told Congress when they approved an earmark to Alaska for the infamous Bridge to Nowhere. Or did she take the money and spend it on something else?

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