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November 26, 2008

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"For some reason, I doubt very much that Obama's daughters will turn out to be unmarried teenage pregnant high school dropouts, unlike the daughter of a certain governor of Alaska."

Why is that? Superior parenting skills of Obama vs. Palin? Superior genetics of Obama vs. Palin? Both?

I would guess Michelle Obama has an IQ of about 120. Biden's probably also 120, but a 120 in Biden's day was a lot dumber than a 120 in Michelle's day, so the Flynn Effect makes Michelle significantly smarter. Biden's bright, but not brilliant. If not for some good opportunities, he'd be drinking at the local pub telling politically incorrect borderline racist jokes. That's why Obama picked him. He appeals to the blue collar whites; they sense he's one of them. Sarah Palin has the same appeal.

"Joe Biden is probably at about the same level of intelligence as Michelle."

Michelle is a nitwit; Biden isn't. IMO Michelle represents the bottom 5% of IQ among lawyers, giving her an IQ of 94-97.

[Half Sigma: wrong: she got accepted to Harvard Law School. As a white, you need a minimum IQ of about 140 to be accepted, and about 120 as a black.]

****Barack Obama deserves credit for sticking by his wife. McCain, in comparison, dumped his wife for a hot younger richer one. McCain may be a war hero, but Obama is the domestic hero, demonstrating conservatism and family values through his commitment to his family. For some reason, I doubt very much that Obama's daughters will turn out to be unmarried teenage pregnant high school dropouts, unlike the daughter of a certain governor of Alaska.****

So, nowadays one is a 'hero' if one gets and stays married (i.e. sticks by their wife) and doesn't abandon their kids?

Wow. I guess I am an quasi-hero being happily married with no kids as of yet. Michelle Obama appears to be a bitter affirmative action product and would be a politically correct nightmare to be around BUT that isn't mutually exclusive with BHO being in love with her.

Look, I'll give you that BHO is an outlier (and a good example -- we'll see if he can strike a chord for personal responsibility where Cosby failed too) amongst blacks by far, but a 'hero'? Sheessssh....

I agree that Biden is about 120, maybe a little bit higher. Considering he went to U Delaware, a good but not great state university, this is where I'd put him based on their average SAT's. Syracuse Law is pretty crappy, but I believe he went there because his girlfriend was an undergrad there. Michelle Obama? Maybe about the same. Certainly not as smart as Barack.

I don't like Biden's politics, but I see some of myself in him, maybe because he's from eastern PA like me and likes to say somewhat inappropriate things like me. One thing Biden had going for him is being from such a small state - he could make a good name for himself quickly. He couldn't have gotten as famous as he did otherwise.

Obama's daughters are great. Unfortunately, they will just help the media's love affair with him.

Usually conservatives change wives all the time. Their talk about sanctity of marriage is complete crap. How many times did Newt Gingrich marry?

"Wow. I guess I am an quasi-hero being happily married with no kids as of yet."

Too bad you aren't black! Fighting racism, sticking it to "The Man" and Keeping It Real, Community Organizing, etc...And Obama a "domestic" hero? Yeah, whatever...It is asinine to think not dumping your 1st wife confers hero status...

"Why is that? Superior parenting skills of Obama vs. Palin?"

Barack is undeniably more inteligent than Todd Palin. Michelle can´t be much less inteligent than Sarah, they are probably at the same level. You get the picture [Half Sigma: only a racist could think that someone who graduated in the proper number of years from the highest level universities in the country is the same level as intelligence as Palin who took five years to graduate via community colleges. Sorry, but Michelle Obama is probably smarter than 90% of white women.]

"Usually conservatives change wives all the time"
You know that such an affirmation should be backed by a little bit of data? I would say that alpha conservatives, in Roissy´s terminology, change wifes because they can. And I don´t think that alpha liberals are much more faithful than their conservative peers.

Another fact: Michelle Obama has publicly admitted that her standardized test scores are substandard--so how in the world could the nitwit be secretly sporting a 120?

[Half Sigma: substandard for Princeton and Havard is what she meant. A white woman with an IQ of 120 wouldn't stand a chance in hell of getting admitted to Harvard Law School (unless maybe a relative donated tens of millions of dollars).]

You know that such an affirmation should be backed by a little bit of data?

I dont know the infidelity of liberals, but at least they don´t give a damn for the sanctity of marriage.

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Less than 2% ... the likelihood an Asian or Caucasian applicant with an LSAT score lower than 159 (about the 80th percentile nationally) would be admitted in 2000

Law School Admissions to the University of Michigan
... By the Numbers
100% ... the percentage of African-American, Hispanic, and Native American applicants admitted in 2000 with grade point averages between 3.00 and 3.24 (B) and LSAT scores between 156-158 (between the 70th and 80th percentiles nationally)

0% ... the percentage of Asian and Caucasian applicants admitted in 2000 with grade point averages between 3.00 and 3.24 (B) and LSAT scores between 156-158 (between the 70th and 80th percentiles nationally)

50% ... the likelihood an African-American, Hispanic, or Native American applicant with an LSAT score lower than 159 (about the 80th percentile nationally) would be admitted in 2000

Less than 2% ... the likelihood an Asian or Caucasian applicant with an LSAT score lower than 159 (about the 80th percentile nationally) would be admitted in 2000

51% ... the likelihood an African-American, Hispanic, or Native American applicant with a grade point average between 3.00 and 3.24 (B) and an LSAT score above the 40th percentile nationally (148) would be admitted in 2000

17% ... the likelihood an Asian or Caucasian applicant with a grade point average between 3.00 and 3.24 (B) and an LSAT score above the 40th percentile nationally (148) would be admitted in 2000

442 ... the number of Asian and Caucasian applicants who were rejected in 2000 despite the fact that their grade point averages and test scores were precisely the same as African-American, Hispanic, and Native American applicants who were guaranteed admission (i.e., 100% admitted)


Full disclosure: My IQ is 152, and I find both Obamas to be dumb, especially Michelle. BO probably sports a 118, while Michelle, a Harvard two-fer, is probably at least 1 SD below the Dull One.

How much specious reasoning can you pack into one post?

You said almost nothing about Michelle, other than what she isnt.

If you intended a comparison to Cindy McCain you never made it. Yeah she wasnt born rich but then she never did the charity work Cindy did. Instead she spent her timing politicking for favors that weren't due her and obtaining sinecures based on her purported victimhood.

In terms of who has benefited society, its game and set to McCain.

Todd Palin vs Obama: Obama comes off pretty beta and metro. You get the feeling that he had no idea what to do when he won other than try to appoint everybody in from the '90's so he can be Clinton III. Even keeps Gates. Please everybody like me!

"Full disclosure: My IQ is 152"

No it's not.

"As a white, you need a minimum IQ of about 140 to be accepted, and about 120 as a black."

Whites don't need an IQ anywhere near 140 to get into Harvard law school. The average IQ at Harvard is only 130, and the average IQ is much, much higher than the minimum.

http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/2003/10.23/01-creativity.html

"conservatives change wifes all the time"


NO, they don't. You don't have data for that and you won't find it. Either conservatives are all exchanging wifes with one another or they taking liberal women from liberal men.

Alpha conservatives like Newt and McCain are changing wifes. Beta conservatives must be, by the very segregation between liberals and conservatives in the US, the most faithful group in the country. And betas outnumber alphas by at least 5 to 1


Whites don't need an IQ anywhere near 140 to get into Harvard law school. The average IQ at Harvard is only 130, and the average IQ is much, much higher than the minimum.

http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/2003/10.23/01-creativity.html

Posted by: Lenk | November 26, 2008 at 01:42 PM

What does the average IQ of a student at Harvard have to do with the average IQ of a student at Harvard *Law*?

The average student at Harvard Law has an LSAT score of 170.
You can get into Mensa Canada with an LSAT score of 163.

Sigma,

If you are going to call people racist then you need to define the word for purposes of your forum. As used among the general public, "racist" certainly includes you, and presumably your definition does not.

Re Michelle having a 120 IQ because she is black and was admitted to Harvard, the Grutter v. Bollinger data cited by Brutus is inconclusive, but puts her between 115 and 130 (circumstantial evidence, i.e. her semi-literate thesis, indicates to me 115 is much more likely). I would suggest that the average black admitted to Harvard law, based on the Michigan data, would have around a 162 LSAT and around a 3.3-3.4 GPA***. That would put them around 125 IQ, based on the LSAT percentile involved and LSAT takers being a higher-than-average-IQ pool.

That the average black at Harvard Law has a 125 IQ does not mean that Michelle does. She probably got a bump for going, via AA, to Princeton, and also probably got a bump for writing a thesis about the Schvartzen Kumpf, and also she probably got a bump because she's an American, Southside black rather than one of the African immigrants or their children usually admitted to Harvard (see, e.g., B. H. Obama; B. H. Obama Jr.).

***Those who say that we can't extrapolate Harvard data from Michigan data, since Harvard is ranked #2 while Michigan is ranked ~#7, should keep in mind that we also know the upper bound of black performances. 29 blacks in the year Grutter came down had 165 LSATs or above and 3.5 GPAs or above, and Yale, Stanford, and Harvard matriculate, much less admit, more than 100 blacks per year among them.

SMH

Why so much hate for Michelle Obama? I wonder if she looked like Beyonce, Gov. Patterson's wife or I, would you hate her so much.

[Half Sigma: only a racist could think that someone who graduated in the proper number of years from the highest level universities in the country is the same level as intelligence as Palin who took five years to graduate via community colleges. Sorry, but Michelle Obama is probably smarter than 90% of white women.]

@Half Sigma

Are you kidding me? Have you gone politically correct on us? Have you lost your mind?

It is not racist to assert that Michelle Obama who graduated in the proper number of years from the highest level universities where she was an AA admission is the same level as intelligence as Palin who took five years to graduate via community colleges.

I assert that Palin is probably smarter than Michelle as Palin has actually gained entrance into a club more exclusive than the senate, that of being a governor. What has Michelle done? Nothing other than played ball with the Daley machine as a fixer of political favors and such. Wonder why her salary doubled after BHO became a senator?

How come HS's estimate for McCain doesn't factor in:

1. affirmative action type benefit for McCain in terms of having a dad AND a grandad who was an admiral

2. that he crashed his plane a bunch of times

i find this constant IQ stuff humorous. what is the IQ of

George W Bush
Bill Clinton
George HW Bush
Ronald Reagan
Jimmy Carter
Gerald Ford
Richard Nixon

1. Standardized IQ tests have been invalid forever but it has been common knowledge that they mean very little in terms of cognitive capacity for at least the past 20 years.

2. The proof is in the pudding. Let's see how the Obama children "turn out". It won't be from lack of effort on their parents' part. They will make mistakes like everyone but they are applying the skills they have with their girls' best interests at heart.

3. It is my hope that the education system of the US will soon begin to include such things as the study of other countries' geography and history, the history of globalization and the role America has played in creating it, as well as regaining stewardship of our planet at all levels.

Who cares what her IQ is? She looks great!

I just read Michelle Obama's actual senior thesis at Princeton (politico.com) and yes, it's safe to compare her "low" intelligence to Sarah Palin's! She had at least four to five TYPO's in her paper, didn't sign her name properly in one spot, didn't sign it all in another spot where required and used the word effected, instead of "affected." Her paper goes on and on about "in this study I will explain this and this" and then she doesn't. She rambles. I wrote better papers at my lowly state college! Now I'm sure she was admitted through AFFIRMATIVE ACTION!

One more thing -- "Barack Obama is a domestic hero" HUH?!? Yeah, he's a hero alright -- to NARAL. As the ONLY US senator to vote against The Born Alive Infant Protection Act that gives medical care to BABIES born through botched abortions, he's a real character, stand up kind of guy isn't he? He's repulsive. Besides that, the Socialist terd hasn't proven natural born citizenship and thumbed his nose at a lower court's order that he come up with his ORIGINAL birch certificate by Dec. 1st. He won't because he can't. The Supreme Court Justices meet this Friday, Dec. 5th -- I hope they choose to hear Berg's case against Obama. What a fraud Obama is!

You guys are really stuck on this IQ bullshit. The LSAT doesn't even measure IQ. Nor do your grades. And before you go saying that Michelle Obama would probably rank in the bottom 5% among lawyers in terms of IQ I'd like to see the bell curve data for IQ among lawyers. But you don't have that and you are probably only guessing what her IQ is. Further, you ever thought, oh maybe this IQ thing really isn't a good indicator of someone's intelligence. By the way, what the hell is intelligence anyway? Can you define it? Is it this quality that is supposed to guarantee that you'll do in whatever scholastic endeavour you undertake. That's a load of bull. Einstein sucked as a student but went on to rewrite the laws of physics. I'd imagine a person with his intelligence might have done better in school. I know what you're saying, Mileva wrote all his theories and Tesla said they weren't worth anything anyway. You don't like that example, let's take one from law: Anthony Amsterdam. He was a brilliant litigator for the anti-death penalty movement. But 10 years after Furman v. Georgia executions in the US started up right back again. You know who is really making an impact on the anti-capital punishment movement: exonerated prisoners. You're probably thinking "that's a bad analogy", but for all his brilliance Amsterdam's work is being done better by some men who are mentally retarded. So what the hell is intelligence really worth? Not much from my point of view.

just wanted to add an interesting fact. Average LSAT score for white student at berkeley in 96 was 168..Black students 155....you do the math... I am guessing Barack obamas lsat was 158-160 max...michelle even less

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