The Jews were tortured

Doctors expressed horror at the condition of the bodies recovered from the Nariman Building, which housed the Orthodox Chabad-Lubavitch retreat.

"I have seen so many dead bodies in my life, and was traumatised," a mortician said. "It was apparent that most of the dead were tortured. What shocked me were the telltale signs showing clearly how the hostages were executed in cold blood."

Telegraph

But there is very little outrage among the media. If Jews ever tortured Muslims, we would never hear the end of it.

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[Old News]

"If Jews ever tortured Muslims, we would never hear the end of it."

They don't, but that doesn't stop the press:

http://www.zombietime.com/reuters_photo_fraud/

[Wade Nichols]

I can hardly wait for the intellectual wannabe heirs of Robert Fisk to come out of the sewers and apply their spin to this story.

"Well, it's understandable....., the root cause, McBu$HitlerHalliburton, CIA, the Mossad, Neocon Cabal, Why do they hate us?, the White Man, colonialism, American Idol, Monday Night Football, blah blah blah....."

[Linda]

So now you expect us to believe the Jewish media is anti-semetic? How stupid do you think we are?

[Brutus]

Just look at the genetic stock of "radical Muslims." Not much meat there. Of all the major religions, the followere of Mohammed have to be the stupidest. And we already know that low intelligence breeds crime and violence.

Conclusion: move to a better neighborhood

[bbartlog]

Someone is clearly unfamiliar with the occasional excesses of the Shin Bet.

Anyway, this is basically a backhanded compliment even if you choose not to regard it as such. The Western media tacitly accepts that Muslims, Congolese rebels, Yanomamo, Haitians, and other such third-world people are not to be held to the same standards as the enlightened West. It is therefore not really news when they behave in a barbaric manner. The Israelis and obviously any Jews from other first-world countries are civilized people and are supposed to live up to civilized standards.

[The Griffyn]

Half, here's how non-Jews see the situation in the occupied territories.

If a non-Jewish state oppressed Jews the way Israel oppresses Palestinians the situation would be on the news every night until the U.S military intervened.

Every Jewish hostage taken by Muslims is a big story. Thousands of Colombians, Iraqis and others get taken hostage and nobody cares.

Jewish paranoia about being victims is a frickin industry.

[Chic Noir]

Brutus, are you aware that Islam and Christanity for the most part developed in the same neighborhood?

Jesus looked more like Mahmoud Amademajad than David Beckham.

[Brutus]

"Brutus, are you aware that Islam and Christanity for the most part developed in the same neighborhood?" CNoir

Most religions are basically silly. However there is a big difference between Erasmus and Mohammed (of course Mohammed was a thug). I wish I were the head of a global fire department with the most powerful hose on Earth. Yes, hosing down these low-lifes would bring me all kinds of pleasure.

Sounds like a pretty good idea for a reality-TV show.

[Brutus]

Here's a question:

When was the 1st war on Islamic terrorists?

The Crusades in the 11th century--a k a the English, Germans, and the French kickin' some serious Muslim ass

"Brutus, are you aware that Islam and Christanity for the most part developed in the same neighborhood?

Jesus looked more like Mahmoud Amademajad than David Beckham."

So did Buddhism and Hinduism. What is your point?

[Wade Nichols]

"Jesus looked more like Mahmoud Amademajad than David Beckham."

I was telling someone in college about the Afrocentric canard that "the real Jews were black". He then brilliantly replied: "Oh, so it was the blacks that killed Christ!"

[Brutus]

Doesn't anyone get my sense of humor? I could be wrong, but didn't the Muslims win the Crusades?

[APH]

"If a non-Jewish state oppressed Jews the way Israel oppresses Palestinians the situation would be on the news every night until the U.S military intervened."

Griffyn - What evidence do you have the Palestinians are truly oppressed by Israeli Jews?

While I do think one reason Israel gets a lot of attention is because there are lots of Jews in the media, that hasn't changed the Palestinians' global status of hopelessly oppressed underdog.

/ has been to Israel
/ not a Jew
/ does not work in media

[Turambar]

"Jewish paranoia about being victims is a frickin industry."

Errr, they were victims- didn't you read the link?

[M]

"Just look at the genetic stock of "radical Muslims." Not much meat there. Of all the major religions, the followere of Mohammed have to be the stupidest. And we already know that low intelligence breeds crime and violence.

Conclusion: move to a better neighborhood"

The advice is good, but the reasoning for it is flawed. Looking at the condition of the world today, it's understandable that you would reach that conclusion, but the Middle East has had a higher level of civilization than Europe for 90% of recorded history. So I don't buy for a second that that whole region of the world is less genetically intelligent than European stock. That, and other examples like it, are also why I don't accept regional conditions as evidence for racial intelligence.

(I do accept that there are inequalities, btw, I just find many of the arguments for them fallacious.)

[ziel]

I think Mencius Moldbug's contention that modern, liberal Jews are really Protestants is in evidence here. These Jews (the "media-controlling" variety) no longer viscerally identify with, for example, Jews living in India. Progressivism rules. They will defend Israel - or more accurately brook no criticism of Israel from non-Jews, because they must always battle anti-semitism or anything smacking of anti-semitism. But third-world Muslims aren't really anti-semites - they're aggrieved parties who are mis-guidedly taking out their frustrations with the West on Jews. Nothing a little progressive foreign policy couldn't cure in a heartbeat.

[Brutus]

"the advice is good, but the reasoning for it is flawed. Looking at the condition of the world today, it's understandable that you would reach that conclusion, but the Middle East has had a higher level of civilization than Europe for 90% of recorded history."--M

Yeah, I basically agree with you that one should not stereotype. But the fact is that Islamic dominance was ahortlived--from the 9th to the 12th century. If you examine mean IQ data in majority-Muslim countries you'll find them extremely low--around 90.

These Islamofascists are dangerous children, and truth be known--they do not deserve my respect. Let them kill each other. I do not want tham anywhere near civilization

[Chic Noir]

"Brutus, are you aware that Islam and Christanity for the most part developed in the same neighborhood?

Jesus looked more like Mahmoud Amademajad than David Beckham."

So did Buddhism and Hinduism. What is your point?

Christianity isn't some European invention. It comes from the same people "you" profess to hate-middle easterners who happen to be Caucasian btw

[Linda]

"Yeah, I basically agree with you that one should not stereotype. But the fact is that Islamic dominance was ahortlived--from the 9th to the 12th century. If you examine mean IQ data in majority-Muslim countries you'll find them extremely low--around 90."

Only because of malnutrition.

"These Islamofascists are dangerous children, and truth be known--they do not deserve my respect. Let them kill each other. I do not want tham anywhere near civilization"

Uh, Arabs are the ones who created the FIRST civilization.

[J]

"the Middle East has had a higher level of civilization than Europe for 90% of recorded history. So I don't buy for a second that that whole region of the world is less genetically intelligent than European stock"

They were on top until about 1400 years ago, but something happened and it's been mostly downhill ever since. A real mystery.

[The Undiscovered Jew]

"the Middle East has had a higher level of civilization than Europe for 90% of recorded history."

Many - but not all - Middle Easterners could pass for white and probably are either European or are nearly European. The Middle East covers many different ethnic groups.

I've met a number of Syrian immigrants and most of them could easily pass for Southern Europeans. Syrian President Bashar Assad's wife looks more Northern European than my Italian American friend's sister.

Ethnic Persians are Europids/Europeans, so are almost all Christian Lebanese, Armenians, many Azeris, some Pashtuns, some upper clsss Pakistanis, some Afghans, a few Kurds, and all Berbers.

The population of Turkey, aside from the Kurds, are mostly European Caucasoids. The Central Asian Muslim invaders did not exterminate the Europid/European Byzantine population, they simply converted the Anatolian population to Islam. There is little Central Asian DNA in modern Turks. There is however a substantial Slavic/Greek/Balkan contribution to Turkish DNA.

[Scott]

I think your analysis is off; I do not think the victims race make much of a difference in coverage here.

And let us not forget, we hear about the Holocaust all the time.

[Stopped Clock]

I luv this blog.

*me hugs everybody*

[Wade Nichols]

"Christianity isn't some European invention. It comes from the same people "you" profess to hate-middle easterners who happen to be Caucasian btw"

Boy, this is starting to sound like the convoluted logic used in a Black Studies 101 class.

Let's see - the Afrocentrists tell us that the Egyptians are "really" black, but "Whitey's" Eurocentric "tricknology" suppresses this fact.

But, if the Egyptians were "really" black, can we then safely use the Afrocentric "logic" and conclude that it was the blacks who enslaved the Jews?

And how are the middle easterners now suddenly "Caucasian"? I thought they were considered YOUR oppressed brothers and sisters OF COLOR? Are you telling me that everything I learned in my college level Black studies classes is incorrect? Now you're telling me middle easterners are "Caucausian"? Which is it? Oppressed persons of color, or are they now "Crackers"?

[The Undiscovered Jew]

"Now you're telling me middle easterners are "Caucausian"? Which is it? Oppressed persons of color, or are they now "Crackers"?"

Not all Middle Easterners look like Osama bin Laden or a caricature from Der Sturmer.

Many could pass for Greek or Southern European.

[bornfree]

"Only because of malnutrition."

Linda, Saudi Arabia's per capita daily caloric consumption has been over 2700 for the last 30 years, yet the average IQ is at 83.

http://www.fao.org/es/ess/yearbook/vol_1_2/pdf/Saudi-Arabia.pdf

try again

[Linda]

"Linda, Saudi Arabia's per capita daily caloric consumption has been over 2700 for the last 30 years, yet the average IQ is at 83."

24% of children in the middle east/north afrcia are stunted. You're not seriously suggesting that the IQ of 83 is genetic are you? That would put them below African Amercans (IQ 85), and Arabs (who are caucasoids) are much closer genetically to Europeans than blacks are, so one would expect their genotypic IQ to be close to that of Europeans.

[GS]

Linda,

Even within Europe there are vast differences in IQ (E.G. the germans or the finns vs. the spanish). Further, consider the Jews who lived separately from Europeans for only a few thousand years, and developed an IQ of about 110-115. Do they simply have better nurtrition? Clearly, it does not take long for the IQ of a group to rise or fall ~1 SD. Larger changes would take much longer because new genetic mutations would be needed.

[James Bowery]

'This holiday season the multiplexes, the art houses and the glossy for-your-consideration ads in publications like Variety and The Hollywood Reporter will be overrun with Nazis.'

'A minor incursion of this sort is an annual Oscar season tradition, but 2008 offers an abundance of peaked caps and riding breeches, lightning-bolt collar pins and swastika armbands, as an unusually large cadre of prominent actors assumes the burden of embodying the most profound and consequential evil of the recent past.'

'The near-simultaneous appearance of all these movies is to some degree a coincidence, but it throws into relief the curious fact that early 21st-century culture, in Europe and America, on screen and in books, is intensely, perhaps morbidly preoccupied with the great political trauma of the mid-20th century.'

'The number of Holocaust-related memoirs, novels, documentaries and feature films in the past decade or so seems to defy quantification, and their proliferation raises some uncomfortable questions. Why are there so many? Why now? And more queasily, could there be too many?'

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/11/25/arts/scott.php

[Asher]

The fact that the killing of jews, versus that of Columbians, et al, makes such news is easily explained. Your value as a group is based on the value you provide for other groups.

Consider that the Nazi treatment of the jews and gypsies were similar, and, yet, when we hear the words "Holocaust" we immediately think of Jews and not gypsies. Why? Because Jews contribute massively to the world and gypsies are worthless, criminal scum whose presence on the planet makes the rest of us worse off.

The moral here is that if you want people to care about what happens to you then make yourself useful.

[Gil]

Perhaps an answer might that Hitler and the Nazis amounted to Anglo- murderers and therefore prone to being sd barbaric as any other race. Hence other massacres and genocides (such the Rape of Nanking, the Cutural Revolution, the Khmer Rouge, etc.) are poorly understood. And I did also see a news story a few years back about how Gypsies still get discriminated against in a way that would unacceptable if happened to Jew or homosexuals.

[Linda]

"Even within Europe there are vast differences in IQ (E.G. the germans or the finns vs. the spanish)."

Much of the variation in Europe is sampling error, some is nutrition, very little is genetic.

"Further, consider the Jews who lived separately from Europeans for only a few thousand years, and developed an IQ of about 110-115. Do they simply have better nurtrition?"

North American Jews have IQ's around 110 (according to Richard Lynn) but the Jews who came to North America represent the elite, and are not a representative sample of Ashkenazi Jews worldwide. Israel's Ashkenazim average 103. And Ashkenazim have far more than a few thousand years of separation from Europeans; all Jews were originally of Middle Eastern stock, but over time the Askenazim acquired a significant amount of European ancestry through outbreeding.

"Clearly, it does not take long for the IQ of a group to rise or fall ~1 SD. Larger changes would take much longer because new genetic mutations would be needed."

Apes have IQ's around 22 (according to Richard Lynn). The average human (world wide) has an IQ of 90 (according to Richard Lynn, though this is partly stunted by malnutrition). That's a difference of only 68 points, and it took at the very least 4 million years to evolve (most scientists would say longer). That's 0.000017 IQ points per year of evolutionary separation. Now I realize evolution depends on selection pressures so simplistic generations are hard to make, but generally speaking, evolution works S-L-O-W-L-Y.

[SFG]

I'm actually inclined to side with the explanation that Jews count as 'white' with the media (if not with Stormfront) and hence get held to the European standard.

Also apart from the Jewish media there's a reasonably large and vocal Jewish minority in America that wants to hear about anything Jewish. We kept hearing about Northern Ireland when that was still burning, after all.

"Christianity isn't some European invention. It comes from the same people "you" profess to hate-middle easterners who happen to be Caucasian btw."

Did anyone say they thought that Christianity was a "European" "invention?" So what you are telling us is that over thousands of years, groups of people living in a rough geographic area developed a variety of religious beliefs and practices. No shit. Do you have anything new to add?
Some middle easterners "invented" Judaism, some "invented" Christianity, some "invented" islam and some "invented" the worship of Baal. And so what if some muslims are caucasian? I happen to hate plenty of people of a variety of races and religions. I'm still not sure what your point is.

[Richard H]

The IQ of different Middle Easterners, according to my best estimates

North Africans- Definitely lower than Europeans. In France, they've been social economic familiures and have adopted American negro culture. High IQ people don't form violence prone, hip-hop loving ghettos. They also look nothing like Europeans.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roilTL-MABg

Christian Arabs- Sometimes very European looking.(Full disclosue: I am a Levantine Christian). I've never seen IQ data for Arab Christians seperate from the Muslims, but they were once a ruling class in Lebanon when it wasn't a failed state and got outbred (another sign of high IQ) and have had a lot of success in Brazil and America. My distant family became rich in Israel, of all places. I'd be willing to place their IQ at at least 100. I'm probably biased. Muslim Levantines are also probably smarter than other Middle Eastern Muslims, but not as smart as the Christians.

Iraqis- Seem also to be among the high IQ Arabs. Their IQ is 87 and probably with a first world culture and nutrition can get into the mid-90s. The Sunnis seems lighter and smarter than the majority Shia'a. No wonder the American government, with its rabid hatred of everything civillized, put the Shia'a lunatics in power.

Gulf people (Saudis, Kuwaits, Oman, Bahrain)- Probably the lowest IQs of the Arabs. Somebody said that they were malnourished but these are some of the fattest people in the world. http://www.forbes.com/2007/02/07/worlds-fattest-countries-forbeslife-cx_ls_0208worldfat_slide_9.html?thisSpeed=15000.
Oman's IQ is listed at 78 and Saudi Arabia's at 83. These countries are richer than Iraq or Syria so someone who wants to explain things by nutrition has to answer why the latter two countries have higher IQs.

Turkey- They look pretty white to me, but as Muslims they are enemies of the West and shouldn't be accepted into the EU or any Western country. Those of us interested in perserving Nordic stock have an interest in the circle of whiteness not expanding too far.

Persians- Most of whatever European stock they may have had has gone down in a sea of color. The low IQ reflects it, don't be fooled by the language. Although individuals and families of good stock may survive, just remember trying to judge how Iranians look by their hot actresses is like judging Mexico's population from how people on Telemundo look. The Shah's circle looked a hell of a lot whiter than Ahmedinejad's, so once again we can blame America for barbarism's triumph.

[JewishAtheist]

HS:

You should know by now that your commenters don't want to hear anything about Jews except how they run the media and have caused everything wrong in the world. If you're not a WASP, you're a bad guy.

Some pics here:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1090887/Pictured-Tears-year-old-boy-trapped-Mumbai-Jewish-centre-parents-murdered.html?ITO=1490

Check out the dead muzzie too.

[OOO]

Half Sigma, you moron, the Jewish-overrepresented media focused more on the Jewish victims than any others. Put your neocon delusions away for now. What they didn't talk about was all those ordinary Indians who died.

[OOO]

I guess you don't want to post my comments, right? You keep forgetting that the torture didn't just extend to Jews, but to everyone. If the media is so biased against Jews, why did they focus MOST on the Chabad center victims, and not on all the victims equally?

[OOO]

Also, another thing, these terrorists have no real vulnerabilities. Killing or torturing them won't do anything. Their only real vulnerabilities are their family members (one thing about Middle-Easterners and Muslims in general is that they consider family most important). If you kill or torture enough of their family members (discretely), maybe you might expose them.

[Vim]

If the media really isn't covering the Jewish people that died, I think that would go over the line from mere indifference to anti-semitism. After all, they were among the few Americans that died. Being Americans alone should have been enough to get them on TV constantly.

I can't speak to the extent of the coverage. I don't really watch TV enough to know.

"If you kill or torture enough of their family members (discretely), maybe you might expose them."

You are right about that. In the early 1980's some muzzies kidnapped some Russian(then Soviet) diplomats/embassy people. The Soviets asked for them back and were told no. Suddenly, the family members, associates and the friends of the muzzie kidnappers began to fall victim to a variety of mysterious, bizarre and gruesome "accidents" such as accidentally shooting themselves in the back 5 times and then falling out a window, twice. Like "disappearing" and then having their body parts removed and sent through the mail to other family members, associates and friends or maybe accidentally asleep in the middle of the street and being hit by a bus. After a few of these mysterious and untimely deaths, nobody bothered any Soviet citizens anymore.

[fuggy]

Has anyone ever calculated the percent of guests on the Daily Show who are Jewish?

I would say, easily, half.

Most of us get our news from the Daily Show.

[Lucas]

"Gulf people (Saudis, Kuwaits, Oman, Bahrain)- Probably the lowest IQs of the Arabs"

I once read that iemenis are 35% black(i.e, their DNA comes 35% from Africa) And the arabian peninsula is crowded with low IQ coolies from India, Paquistan, Bangladesh and the Phillipines.

The original semitic stock of the peninsula couldn't be much below the original caucasians and could be even a little higher. But the high IQ semites (except the jews) have been mixing with low IQ slaves/servants for at least 4 thousand years

[Richard H]

"You are right about that. In the early 1980's some muzzies kidnapped some Russian(then Soviet) diplomats/embassy people. The Soviets asked for them back and were told no. Suddenly, the family members, associates and the friends of the muzzie kidnappers began to fall victim to a variety of mysterious, bizarre and gruesome "accidents" such as accidentally shooting themselves in the back 5 times and then falling out a window, twice. Like "disappearing" and then having their body parts removed and sent through the mail to other family members, associates and friends or maybe accidentally asleep in the middle of the street and being hit by a bus. After a few of these mysterious and untimely deaths, nobody bothered any Soviet citizens anymore. "

From the book "The Secret War with Iran" by Ronen Bergman (P.100)

http://www.amazon.com/Secret-War-Iran-Clandestine-Dangerous/dp/141655839X/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1228256227&sr=8-1

"With diplomacy failing to achieve any results, the GRU, the Red Army's intelligence branch, stepped in. They identified the clan of one of the kidnappers, and snatched two members. They dumped the body of one outside his family home, his throat slashed and his amputated penis in his mouth. A note attached to the body warned that if the Russians were not released, the second captive would receive similar treatment. It worked. The three living hostages were released, after thirty days in captivity, in what the captors called 'a goodwill gesture.' There were no further attempts against Russian citizens."

Needless to say, Muslims kept kidnapping French and American citizens.

[The real Nordics have blonde hair and blue eyes.]

Those of us interested in perserving Nordic stock have an interest in the circle of whiteness not expanding too far.
--------------------------------------------------
Richard I hope you have blonde hair and blue eyes. Otherwise, you should not count yourself as one of us.

[The Undiscovered Jew]

"Those of us interested in perserving Nordic stock have an interest in the circle of whiteness not expanding too far."

Obviously, there are few if any Northern Europeans among the native born Middle East populations, but many people in the Levant, North Africa, Central Asia and Iran are genetically quite similar to Southern Europeans.

PS: You are probably overestimating the amoung of nonwhite admixture in the ethnic Persian population.

Cavalli-Sforza has shown how Persians and Iranian Azeris cluster very closely with Europids.

[Richard H]

"Richard I hope you have blonde hair and blue eyes. Otherwise, you should not count yourself as one of us. "

Well, I've got the blue eyes, but who ever said I was Nordic? I'd like to see the stock perserved, just like I like to see different species of big cats and the Japanese preserved.

[Inshallah Jihad]

Bay Area muslims murder activist Jew:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/12/02/BAVE14GCD6.DTL&tsp=1

[Indian]

"

Half Sigma, you moron, the Jewish-overrepresented media focused more on the Jewish victims than any others. Put your neocon delusions away for now. What they didn't talk about was all those ordinary Indians who died.

Posted by: OOO | December 02, 2008 at 03:26 PM
"

EXACTLY.

I don't want to come off as a Jew-Hater, because I definitely like the Jews, but the media went Jew-crazy over the attacks. Hindus are being tortured daily in Bangladesh, fortunately for the Jews in Mumbai this was a one-off there.

[Rocco Sfreddi]

"I don't want to come off as a Jew-Hater, because I definitely like the Jews, but the media went Jew-crazy over the attacks."

I'm a bit Jew-crazy myself, but in a good way. Check out any of Daphne Rosen's film work. A bit older, but she's still got it(well them, really)...

[James Bowery]

'An increase in Nazi history programmes on television is turning children against the study of German at school, experts said. '

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/3545416/Nazi-history-programmes-fuelling-decline-in-German-lessons.html

Posted by: James Bowery | December 04, 2008 at 01:53 PM

So a bunch of Germans did some bad stuff(and got their asses kicked BTW) and we can't ever learn the language they spoke because that would be bad too. Fucking stupid. And what is really fucking stupid is that German culture is automatically reduced to Naziism(Not that I'm not surprised though). Forget the centuries of music, art, religious thought, cuisine, literature, etc...
German is a pleasant sounding language, at least to me(just go hear Catholic Mass in German, the Lord's Prayer or people on the streets of Munich or Vienna). And pretty easy to learn for English speakers. Commands and talking about beer sound much better auf Deutsch. And truth be told, the more I learned about the Nazis(and other German history stuff) the more I wanted to learn German! Watching stuff like Stalag 17, Das Boot and other flicks as a kid helped too.