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December 28, 2008

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After "establishing my career," the second most important thing in a middle / upper class woman's life is "finding myself" first. Somehow, that's easier to do abroad:

"I'm going to study abroad and find myself in Paris..."

Yeah, find yourself in between two French guys at once!

I would've guessed the curriculum (female humanities majors vs. male math/science majors, etc), but the articles make it clear that they adjusted for that.

One guess: Young women, particularly those in college, tend to have loftier social aspirations than their male counterparts. They dream of making friends and meeting lovers at European sidewalk cafes while their male classmates are happy to hang out and hook up at $5 pitcher night at the local watering hole.

And, I would also tend to agree about the spending of money. Sororities are generally more expensive than fraternities (most of the extra dues are apparently spent on housekeeping). Rich daddies are also more willing to open the wallet for their daughters.

A more likely explanation is in this comment at Marginal Revolution:

"Guys tend to place more value on the drinking beer with your friends aspect of the college social life than do girls."

Sports also may be an issue. Males are more likely than females to participate in college sports, and by and large take their participation more seriously. It's difficult or impossible to study abroad while continuing to participate in sports.

Really?

That's what you came up with?

Yes, women like spending money more than men but women also like genetic diversity in their children more than men ("his accent is sooo sexy") and like vacation sex more than men ("that was in Cancun, so it doesn't count").

Also, I think asymmetry in majors matters as well. Males study things like engineering and physics and business where there isn't a point to studying overseas. The best way to learn undergraduate engineering is to sit in the library and do your homework and maybe do a co-op for a semester at some ungodly place like the Gulf Coast of Texas or Lansing, Michigan.

The people who go overseas are more about elevating their status with their degree than learning anything (i.e. Mrs. degrees).

Parents have more of a genetic incentive to splurge on sons than daughters. A daughters mate value barely changes relative to her life situation, as it is determined entirely by youth and beauty. A sons can change dramatically with a little spending.

Why do liberal white women, who pound the gavel of diversity and inclusion, study abroad in white European countries? Why not Africa, Asia or South America?

Studying abroad in Europe is just one more reason to hate rich people and inhabitants of the middle-class. I wonder how many working class or poor kids get to study abroad?

"and parents give their daughters more money than they give their sons."

I think daughters are more assertive in guilt tripping their parents. It makes good practice for when they have husbands.

Steve Johnson - "...and like vacation sex more than men"

I have to chuckle in agreement with you and other posters who grasped the most obvious reason. I know a number of women who studied abroad, and for all of them it was more about "loving" than "learning". I can only think of one who is now doing anything even remotely related to what they went abroad to (supposedly) study.

Men "study abroad" at a much higher rate than women. We just do it by joining the military.


The answer is simpler: women are less territorial and fluidly move between territories. Their higher average sex appeal makes them easily accepted wherever they go.

Men are territorial. And their greater variance in sexual attractiveness, and lower average sexual attractiveness, makes it more difficult for him to be easily accepted wherever he goes.

Women also tend to follow. They tend to want to be shown around, without understanding the details of everything around them. Guys are the opposite. It's easy for a woman to go to another city and be shown around, without knowing much about the city. It's much harder for a guy, who knows nothing about the city, to show a girl around and generally be alpha.

There are many stories in the literature on primates of how bands of males stick together, guarding their territories, while females can fluidly move between territories, and are easily accepted wherever they go, because they can always offer one thing that is valuable wherever they go: vagina.

For the majority of people study abroad is a social thing and women are more sociable than men. Plus, being overseas in a different culture with a different language can be exciting but also intimidating and lonely. A woman, if she isn't hideous, is guaranteed social attention in a way that a man is not. It doesn't always work out well though and I've heard horror stories about girls who have gone to the Middle East.

I'm going to St. Petersburg to continue my study of Russian next month.

I'm studying to be a translator, but besides that, slavic women are the most beautiful in the world and from what I hear the least corrupted by feminism in all of whitedom. I can't wait.

The Onion had a great piece on this.

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/34198

"American Women Studying In Europe Are Unbelievably Easy

By Giovanni Di Salvi

I'm a 25-year-old carpenter living in Rome, and I don't mind telling you that I get all the action I can handle. I'm not all that handsome or well-dressed, and I'm certainly not rich. In fact, my Italian countrywomen could take me or leave me. But that's just fine, because Rome gets loads of tourist traffic, and American co-eds traveling through Europe are without a doubt the easiest lays in the world.

Being European gives me a hell of an advantage. I'm not sure why, but there's something about the accent that opens a lot of doors. All you have to do is go up to them, act a little shy and say, "Whould hyou like to go with me, Signorina, for a café?" I actually have to thicken up my accent a little, but they never, ever catch on.

After a cheap coffee, which to them always tastes better than anything they've ever had, because they're in Europe, it's time to walk them. Now, all they know about Rome is what they've read in Let's Go, so you can pretty much just make up a whole bunch of shit. It's fun to see how much they'll swallow: As long as I refer to Italy as "my homeland" and other Italians as "my people," they'll believe pretty much anything. I don't know who most of the local statues are, so I tell the muffins they're all great artists and poets and lovers. Once, just for the hell of it, I told a psychology major from the University of Maryland that a public staircase was part of the Spanish Steps, which she'd never even heard of. Another time, I told this blonde from Michigan State that the public library was the Parthenon, and she cooed like I'd just given her a diamond.

For dinner, I usually take them to some cheap little hole in the wall, someplace deserted where not even the cops eat. American girls think candlelight means "romance," not "deteriorating public utilities," so they just poke their nipples through their J. Crew sweaters and never notice that there's no electricity. Just as well, because Roman restaurants aren't exactly the cleanest. After a bunch of fast-talk about the menu, I get them the special, which is usually some anonymous pasta with spinach and day-old shrimp, and whatever cheap, generic, Pope's-blood chianti's at the bottom of the list.

By this time, they're usually standing in a slippery little puddle. Going in for the kill, I walk them past one of Rome's famous 2,000-year-old open cesspools. Then, as we open the door to my shitty efficiency, I kiss them on the eyelids so they don't see the roaches, making sure the first thing they see is the strategically positioned artist's easel I bought at some church sale. That's usually all they need to see and, like clockwork, they fall backwards on my bed with their Birkenstocks in the air.

I mean, they're hardly Italian women, but we have a saying here in Europe: Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free?"

This depends on "WHERE".

I studied abroad in China and right after finishing my undergrad, worked in Japan for a year. There were very few Western women, it was more like 75% Western male (white, black, and the Asians I could sort out, born in the West who were non-military).

I think Western women tend to study in Latin America and Europe. Western men do as well, but the imbalance in Asia is large. I wonder why that is? Maybe no Rico Suave, Don Juan types in the Pacific Rim, but their are in Latin America and along the Mediterranean...

"I'm going to St. Petersburg to continue my study of Russian next month. I'm studying to be a translator, but besides that, slavic women are the most beautiful in the world and from what I hear the least corrupted by feminism in all of whitedom. I can't wait."

You probably know how to do this already, but in case you don't, learn how to operate and field strip an AK, an SKS and a Mosin Nagant. This little ability endeared me to a number of tough, battle-hardened and rather combative(no pun intended) but very lovely and intelligent females in Croatia when I was studying there some time ago. I'd imagine Russian babes (and other slavic chicks) would dig it as well. Too bad there is no war on...Good times, good times...


Kanazawa has an interesting answer (http://blogs.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-scientific-fundamentalist/200812/why-young-single-men-are-more-xenophobic-ii) :

Social and cultural ornamentation presents men with one problem that males of other species, who lek via physical ornamentation, do not face: It does not travel well. Social and cultural ornamentation is, by definition, socially and culturally specific. Men cannot brag about their achievements in conversations with women unless they speak the same language. Yanomamö women in the Amazon rain forest would not be able to tell the difference between a BMW and a Hyundai or the difference between an Armani suit and a Burger King uniform, and their status implications; a Grammy or a Nobel will not impress them at all. (Has any Nobel Prize winner ever had massive head scars, indicating their experience in club fights?) Conversely, Western women are unlikely to be impressed by body scars and large penis sheaths. (A large penis, yes; a large penis sheath, probably not.) Signs of men’s status and mate value are specific to societies and cultures, and they lose meaning outside of them.

This is in clear contrast to women’s status and mate value. Standards of youth and physical attractiveness, the two most important determinants of women’s status and mate value, are culturally universal because they are innate (as I explain in a previous post). Men in preliterate and innumerate cultures without any concept of fractions or the decimal point will be able to distinguish between women with 1.0 and .7 waist-to-hip ratios. Yanomamö men will see that a Victoria’s Secret lingerie model is extremely moko dude (a Yanomamö phrase meaning “perfectly ripe”).

European males are great to date. They graduate with no debt.
Their medical degree is worth SO MUCH MORE in the USA that an American chick looks even cuter than she probably is.
I mean, if she is good looking, her ability to give the European the instant Visa to work in the US if he should marry her and the free English lesson supplied by just dating her are a good fit to a European med student.

HS,

http://nymag.com/nymetro/nightlife/sex/columns/nakedcity/n_8301/

i thought about you when reading this article. A hasbian described being a lesbian while in college as a year abroad in "gay world."


We should have differents LAWS for women and men. Generalizations are so stupid but so convenient.

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