Are white women racist for wanting to date white men?

There’s a post at the Larry Auster blog about whether white women who are unwilling to date outside of their race are racist.

I can’t resist italicizing the word racist because the word has come to represent the most evil thing you can possibly do. Something that evil needs italics.

That’s why I prefer to use the word mean-spirited. Beating someone up because he’s black, that’s mean-spirited. But the natural desire to be with other people like yourself, that’s not mean-spirited, it’s just part of human nature, and if black people want to hang out with other black people, and white people want to hang out with other white people, and everyone’s happy, why is it evil?

The SWPL type of liberals equate the desire to be with other people like oneself to be a type of original sin when it’s applied by race. So under this type of definition of racism, how is it really so different if (1) a group of white people form a club and don’t want any black people to be members; or (2) a white woman wants to partner with a white man, thus forming a group of two whites? These two situations are both manifestations of the desire to be with people like yourself.

The hypocrisy of SWPL-liberalness is that upper class whites have managed to arrange the world so that they primarily are part of a mostly white group. The typical gathering in Manhattan will be a mostly all-white affair, with one or two token blacks, and a white guy with an Asian wife or girlfriend.

The favorite SWPL city is Portland, Oregon, one of the whitest cities in the country. SWPL’s avoid working with minorities by avoiding blue collar jobs, and also by avoiding engineering and IT jobs which, while white collar, are heavily Asian and Indian.

The favorite place for wealthy New York whites to summer is the Hamptons, a place where you rarely see anyone who isn’t white. The Hamptons even manages to exclude Asians who, although rich enough to be seen in the Hamptons in proportion to their percentage of the New York City area population if not even more so, generally see the cost of summering in the Hamptons to be a big waste of money.

It’s middle class and prole whites, unable to exclude undesirable minorities by outspending them, who get in trouble for being racist. Rich whites can form an exclusive white enclave in the Hamptons which excludes blacks by being ridiculously expensive and far away from where there are any jobs, but prole whites living in white neighborhoods in Queens or Brooklyn have to resort to fear and intimidation (which is mean-spirited behavior, for sure).

So yes, I don’t see any harm in telling SWPL-liberal-whites that they are racist when, under their own standards, they are indeed racist.

Comments

[Peter]

"The favorite place for wealthy New York whites to summer is the Hamptons, a place where you rarely see anyone who isn’t white."

A few minutes on Google would have saved you from making this totally incorrect statement.

[The Undiscovered Jew]

"The hypocrisy of SWPL-liberalness is that upper class whites have managed to arrange the world so that they primarily are part of a mostly white group. The typical gathering in Manhattan will be a mostly all-white affair, with one or two token blacks, and a white guy with an Asian wife or girlfriend."

Urban, anti-racist SWPL women who delay child bearing until their late 30's or early 40's are also the most eager to go to IVF clinics and use frozen sperm from 6'4", athletic, blonde, Danish college graduates.

True hypocrisy coming from SWPL's who do not hesitate to call any white person racist if they even look at a minority the wrong way.

Furthermore, anti-racist SWPL women will be the first in line to use embryo genetic sceening to create blond, blue eyed, high IQ, Aryan master race children when the technology becomes available.

[Wade Nichols]

"A few minutes on Google would have saved you from making this totally incorrect statement."

How so? OK, I'll concede that P-Diddy, or whatever he calls himself these days, has some parties in the Hamptons that attract a mostly black crowd, but that's one EXCEPTION not the rule. And yes, there are more hispanics living in the Hamptons lately, but if they are at the parties of the "rich and fabulous", they're probably serving the drinks, and not imbibing them.

Out of everything else that HS wrote, this is the best sentence that you can cherry pick to nitpick with the overall thesis?

[Trevor]

It's frustrating to me that it's completely impossible to post on Auster's blog. This is the closest I can get. Every email is bounced, from any account.

[Peter]

"And yes, there are more hispanics living in the Hamptons lately, but if they are at the parties of the "rich and fabulous", they're probably serving the drinks, and not imbibing them.
Out of everything else that HS wrote, this is the best sentence that you can cherry pick to nitpick with the overall thesis?"

Right in the original posting Siggy noted that a (presumably upscale) Manhattan party would be a "mostly all-white affair." Yet no one would call Manhattan an all-white place. It's the same thing for the Hamptons, which are around 15% to 20% nonwhite. Just because the upscale parties might be all-white doesn't mean that the area is.

[Drooling Moron]

Posted by: Peter | April 23, 2009 at 04:09 PM

"Right in the original posting Siggy noted that a (presumably upscale) Manhattan party would be a "mostly all-white affair." Yet no one would call Manhattan an all-white place."

Nobody did. But maybe the Panthers would like the cheese dip.

You're an idiot. Read again:

"The favorite place for wealthy New York whites to summer is the Hamptons, a place where you rarely see anyone who isn’t white."

...rarely see...

Not seeing does not equal not existing or being whatever % of the population.

[Lawrence Auster]

Anyone can send a comment to my site. It couldn't be easier. Instead of having to deal with usernames and passwords and lots of forms to work your way through, you just send me an e-mail. The link is at the top right of VFR's main page.

[Wade Nichols]

"Yet no one would call Manhattan an all-white place."

Depends on your "mental model" I suppose. I've often heard the dividing line is about 86th Street, maybe even into the high 90's/low 100's. Anything north of that line is definitely "mostly black". Of course, there are pockets of whites near Columbia University, and Inwood, etc., but again, exceptions to the rule. Just like south of 86th down to Battery Park is "mostly white", but there are some housing projects that are mostly black/hispanic, and of course, Chinatown, Lower East Side has fair number of hispanics, etc.

[athelas]

You don't even have to go after the race angle. "The SWPL type of liberals equate the desire to be with other people like oneself to be a type of original sin when it’s applied by race." But they're perfectly fine with it when it's applied by class, arbitrary social signals of "sophistication," or physical attractiveness.

[Brutus]

The favorite place for wealthy New York whites to summer is the Hamptons, a place where you rarely see anyone who isn’t white."

A few minutes on Google would have saved you from making this totally incorrect statement.

Posted by: Peter | April 23, 2009 at 03:39 PM

Peter, Siggie's point is that East/West/Southampton cater to rich whites. That's a fact.

He was not referring to Mexican day laborers.

[Brutus]

[Greetings to Larry Auster. Miss those breakfasts at that roach-infested greasy spoon on Broadway. Still hanging with Iannone?]

Siggie, we should define what "racist" really means in today's PC society:

"racist": anyone who impedes the sexual/academic/artistic/financial progress of NAMs by citing scientific data.

That's a racist. So it follows that the diversity pimps would label said white female a racist.

[Half Sigma]

Walk around the main shopping area of Sag Harbor, it's amazing how rarely you see a non-white.

Yeah, there are probably some maids, gardeners and kitchen help somewhere (jobs that whites don't want to do), but you don't see them out and about.

[White Whale]

Those are not "SWPL" whites; I'm pretty certain that those are preppy whites, the ones in the Hamptons. Also, Seattle and the Bay Area are two of the "SWPL" whitest places on earth, and both are the centers of the high-tech world. Did you ever wonder why Microsoft and other tech companies supported civil unions so strongly (I personally know of a gay guy from high school who now works as an engineer for Boeing in Washington)? Also, last I checked, "SWPL" people like hanging around Asians; where else do "SWPL" guys get their girlfriends?

[miles]

Sigma,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EbQfmVoOfM

There is the link for the video. The part where a white girl explains that she was made to fill out a questionnaire at the end of the year checking whether she would be willing to date a black or muslim is at the 10:43 mark in the video. The video is 15 minutes and several seconds long. I can't tell you how much its worth to watch it and see just what the left will get up to if they can get away with it.

The two professors who came up with this residence hall program are still at the University of Delaware. They did not lose their jobs for trying to pull this. I forgot their names but googled them, and they are still there. The video is made by a group called F.I.R.E, Foundation of Individual Rights in Education.

The freshman were told that "all whites are racist" and that non-minorities could not be racist at the very start of the program. They were made to undergo excercises (IN A DORM PROGRAM!!!!) where whites basically had to explain how unfairly priveledged they were when certain parameters about themselves (2 parent homes, low-crime neighborhoods, educated parents, BEING WHITE!) were checked off, while non-white students had to put marshmellows in their mouths. Then the non-white students had to try to speak sentences with all the marshmellows in their mouths about how whites have disadvantaged them, and of course couldn't speak with mouths stuffed full of marshmellows. The psychological abuse is clear, they wanted to INFLICT GUILT on the whites.

Like "whiteness studies" that a few universities have, this is nothing more than the widespread, institutionalized "infliction" of guilt on one group on campus (white males in particular), to make them feel like they owe everyone else something (quotas and set-asides detrimental to themselves), but to also to try and get them to intermarry and breed their own selves out (beccause they like, you know......cause all the problems in society, etc). This was much more than making certain students wear dunce caps and sit in the corner for flunking a test. It was a mind-fuck of the highest order performed by those in authority over these kids lives replete with a sort of spying program getting the kids to narc on each other for PC offenses in private speech amongst themselves.

I hope you can post a link to the video on your blog and let everyone watch it.

[Stopped Clock]

Would it make sense to stop typing out "SWPL-liberal" and just say white liberal? Or even just liberal? Or is there a finer distinction here?

[HS: You're absolutely right, I think I've been overusing "SWPL."]

[Brutus]

"It was a mind-fuck of the highest order performed by those in authority over these kids lives replete with a sort of spying program getting the kids to narc on each other for PC offenses in private speech amongst themselves."--miles

Miles, I'm not a lawyer, but I smell ACTIONABLE TORTIOUS OFFENSE. These kids should sue.

College students should also be able to defend themselves from the diversity pimps--"Fuck off, asshole" would be my response to these assholes.

[Turambar]

"

"The favorite place for wealthy New York whites to summer is the Hamptons, a place where you rarely see anyone who isn’t white."

A few minutes on Google would have saved you from making this totally incorrect statement.
"

I base my knowledge of the Hamptons on Barefoot Countessa and Real Housewives of New York, and I dont think there are any non-whites or heterosexuals there.

[PA]

--- "True hypocrisy coming from SWPL's who do not hesitate to call any white person racist if they even look at a minority the wrong way." ----

Leftism is at its core an intra-white war wherein the SWPL elite is purifying the white race by swamping non-elite whites with the swarthy races.

"Racist" is what those bastards say when one of the sacrificed whites asserts his right to exist.

[The Undiscovered Jew]

"Leftism is at its core an intra-white war wherein the SWPL elite is purifying the white race by swamping non-elite whites with the swarthy races.

"Racist" is what those bastards say when one of the sacrificed whites asserts his right to exist."

Yes, just as the Carthaginians sacrificed their own children to the Carthaginian gods.

[40 oz of Hate]

---"racist": anyone who impedes the sexual/academic/artistic/financial progress of NAMs by citing scientific data.---

So you saying if I stop a rape, prevent rapping, paint over graffiti or keep someone from robbing a liquor store, I'm being a racist? Say it ain't so!

[peter]

Uh -
The SWPLs truly believe their own BS. It is not a scam perpetrated by the SWPL on the normal whites - it is a scam perpetrated by the SWPL on themselves.

Normal whites in middle america have 2.5 children. SWPL whites on the coasts have 1.0 children. The SWPL are breeding themselves in to extinction.

Note also that SWPL send what few kids they have in to the ghetto to try to raise up the NAMs and as a result some of the SWPL children are killed. What do you call billionaire Gerald Levin sending his only son in to the heart of darkness to try to tutor NAMs, only to be murdered by one of the NAMs he spent the most time tutoring?

SWPL types are murdering their own genetic code. All the non SWPL have to do is ignore the stupidity of SWPL types for a few generations

[White Whale]

Prevent a RAPPING? I think that would infringe on the 1st Amendment rights of a RAPPER.

[Brutus]

"Leftism is at its core an intra-white war wherein the SWPL elite is purifying the white race by swamping non-elite whites with the swarthy races."

At its core, leftism is making excuses for mediocrities.

[Dragon Horse]

Are the only minorities in your mind black and Asian?

Hispanics are a larger population than blacks and most of them are not "black" or "white" but mestizo, a group you rarely if ever mention in your dualistic negroid < Asian + white mem.

[peter]

Yes i agre with Brutus -

At its core leftism is "altruism gone wild"
the leftists see the losers and failuers of life and select some of those failures and losers for sympathy and not others

why they selected NAMs as the cause de jour who the heck knows but throughout history they have chosen to sympathize with other types of losers

[40 oz of Hate]

"SWPL types are murdering their own genetic code. All the non SWPL have to do is ignore the stupidity of SWPL types for a few generations."

If only that were true. They are murdering us too and turning the place into a cesspool. The SWPL/liberals/leftists run things now even more than ever. And we are going to bleed for it, both literally(gun control) and figuratively(Carbon Cap & Trade). But since it will only hurt a bunch of right wing, redneck fucks in Kansas (or so they think) it is great.

[http://feministx.blogspot.com/]

Am I racist too? I'm not even white and I prefer to date white men. It's an aesthetics thing.

[coldequation]

There's also the fact that blacks just aren't that interested in hanging out with SWPLs. I was familiar with both the arts and the indie rock scene in a big majority non-white city. The people in it were all anti-racist progressives, and they were most definitely not rich, but their parties were almost as white as "Triumph of the Will."

It's not that they excluded minorities, it's just that minorities weren't into the same things that they were.

[C_Q]

"Am I racist too? I'm not even white and I prefer to date white men. It's an aesthetics thing."

It's probably more of a status thing than an aesthetics thing.

[Richard Hoste]

"The SWPL type of liberals equate the desire to be with other people like oneself to be a type of original sin when it’s applied by race. "

It's probably too obvious to point this out, but this applies only if you're white. Third worlders who want the outside world to go away are romantic.

[Gil]

How much is the norm for a white woman to date a non-white guy? It seemed for some time it was easier to see a white guy with a light-skinned black woman than find finding a white woman with a black man. Then again whenever do you see white women with Asian men? We all know if there's Asian-white marriage it's a white bloke with an Asian sheila.

[Wade Nichols]

"Am I racist too? I'm not even white and I prefer to date white men."

Don't worry. None of us will report you to Spike Lee. Just don't go walking with any of your male friends near the black Hebrew Israelites.

[king obama]

In my opinion, white women should be required to date black men (at least once). It is the only way to prove you are not a racist deep down.

Then again, that is just my opinion. So take it with a grain of salt.

[Girl]

I am a white American girl and have to say it but most white men are repulsive. I would only date ones from a similar ethnicity/race to me if they are white; but otherwise prefer men from a difference culture. As long as there is something of meaning there. I.e.: I am Ukrainian-Italian and like white guys in that category if they share similar beliefs regarding family, church, food. But I also desire Indian guys, asian guys, etc. I wouldn't want some midwestern WASP or Florida popped polo collar frat boy with no identity other
than abercrombie logo stiched on his shirt and bub light can in his hand. GROSS!

[gig]

Isteve, Halfsigma and Roissy are kind of merging. There is more and more talk about sex in HS and Isteve, more and more Paleo cheerleading in Roissy.

[Gamma Man]

Why stop at racism? Let's fight other forms of discrimination, as well, while we are at it, like ageism, for instance, in all its ugly incarnations. Young nubile co-eds should be required to date older men!
These liberals sure like sexual exploitation.

[2Blak2Strong]

"So take it with a grain of salt."

Why not a corn of pepper? Pepper's black...

[Down Low Brother X]

"Are white women racist for wanting to date white men?"

White women racist? That's redundant! Of course white women are racist, all dem crackers are!

[JewishAtheist]

The term "racist" is broad. Just because wanting to date only interracially is technically "racist" doesn't mean that any significant number of people, "SWPL" or not, thinks that it's just as bad as what you call "being mean-spirited." On the other hand, it does tend to go along with "being mean-spirited."

Just look at you, HS. I know you don't think you're mean-spirited. But you can admit that you're attracted to black women. How many of your readers could do the same? (About as many as can admit Barack Obama might have an IQ over 130/140, meaning just us despised liberals.) Your readers are largely "racist" AND "mean-spirited." Because they usually go together.

Don't delude yourself into thinking that most "racism" is of the relatively harmless type like your own. Most is like your readers'. Just look at any blog of any non-mean-spirited "racist." Sailer, you, Inductivist, etc. The comments are fulled with blatantly mean-spirited racism.

[JewishAtheist]

"date only interracially"

I meant "date only intraracially," of course.

[Wade Nichols]

"The term "racist" is broad."

Of course it is, by design it has a wide scope and is all encompassing. The word means a lot to many people, yet at the same time it means nothing. It's like the word "pornography". No one can really define it, but yet everyone "knows what it is when they see it".

"But you can admit that you're attracted to black women."

This is completely silly, and you're obviously trying an elementary school attempt at baiting. I'll raise the stakes in your game, and call your bluff. Since you seem to be implying that you are morally superior to the rest of us, why don't you prove your mettle? I challenge you to walk down 125th Street in Manhattan (that's Harlem if you don't know) with a fair skin black woman, with "good hair", at 9PM on a Friday night, with your arm around her. The readers of this board will then meet you in your hospital room, and you can report to us your findings.

"Don't delude yourself into thinking that most "racism" is of the relatively harmless type like your own. Most is like your readers'. Just look at any blog of any non-mean-spirited "racist.""

If you think this board is so bad, check out any number of blogs oriented towards mainstream black americans. But of course, your argument will then be something like: "I can understand why they are so bitter......black people can't be racist.....the history of this country....blah blah blah....."

[JewishAtheist]

Wade Nichols:

"Of course it is, by design it has a wide scope and is all encompassing."

Really? Who "designed" it? Did you read this in the Protocols of the Elders of SWPL?

"I'll raise the stakes in your game, and call your bluff. Since you seem to be implying that you are morally superior to the rest of us, why don't you prove your mettle? I challenge you to walk down 125th Street in Manhattan (that's Harlem if you don't know) with a fair skin black woman, with "good hair", at 9PM on a Friday night, with your arm around her."

WTF? When did I say that walking down the street at night in Harlem with a black woman is safe? Truth is, I don't know if it is or isn't. And I'm certainly not arguing that it's racist to think dangerous areas are dangerous just because they're black. Quit assuming I'm an idiot.

The only point I'm making is that wanting to date people only of your race is probably a good indicator of the "mean-spirited" kind of racism even if it itself isn't necessarily mean-spirited.

"But of course, your argument will then be something like"

LOL, it's hilarious. Every time I comment here, people rush to argue against things I NEVER SAID. Stick to what I write instead of assuming you know what I think. If you can't argue with anything I said, stop arguing.

[40oz of Hate]

"The only point I'm making is that wanting to date people only of your race is probably a good indicator of the "mean-spirited" kind of racism even if it itself isn't necessarily mean-spirited."

Looks like I'm a "mean-spirited" racist then. Hurting all those black women's wittle feelings 'cause I don't like dark meat. You're like the low rent version of Will Saletan.

[The Undiscovered Jew]

"Am I racist too? I'm not even white and I prefer to date white men. It's an aesthetics thing.

Posted by: http://feministx.blogspot.com/ | April 23, 2009 at 10:47 PM"

Feminist,

I am curious, what ethnicity you are and why do you find white men more attractive? Is it a status thing or do you just find male European physical features more attractive?

I ask because I don't understand why different continental races can be attracted to other ethnic groups. Under evolutionary theory, men and women should be overwhelmingly attracted to members of the same race.

But when I read about how Asian women are equally attracted to white men as they are to Asian men I wonder if there is a universal standard of beauty that overrides evolutionary prefernces.

I'm not sure if there is a universal standard of beauty, but I can't really explain interracial partnerships from a purely Darwinian perspective.

Japanese women dream of the USA

http://whatjapanthinks.com/2006/01/06/japan-women-dream-of-the-usa/

September of last year to find out which country’s citizens would people most want to marry. It is not stated whether or not the people interviewed were single or not.

The Asia versus the West split is quite noticeable in the men, but really striking amongst the women. I previously translated statistics regarding international marriages in Japan that shows that the ideals being expressed here do not seem to be realised.

On a slight tangent, I watched the last episode of an NHK English learning program which features an English-speaking Western blonde angel that prods a clueless office worker along the path to success at her job getting a date with her transferred from New York colleague, the ideal tall, muscular, tanned, well-coiffured white executive. The angel’s job was done because the glaikit Misaki finally pulled her man.

snip

First, looking at the East-West split - or more accurately, perhaps, the caucasian-Asian split (I’m not aware of any black Western role-models in Japan) we see that for men, 36% of the total votes were for Western wives versus 26% for Asian women, favouring the West (I’m including Russia, with Maria Sharapova as the popular image of the country) by just over a third. However for women there is a marked difference; about 74% in total choose the West (over 40% for the USA alone) versus a mere 7.4% for the East, a massive ten to one vote for Europe and the USA.

Next, looking at the detailed age breakdown, it’s only in the teenage girls group that the USA fails to top the charts, losing out to France and Korea, and equal with the UK. For men in their twenties, American women are preferred over the second-placed Korean women by almost 60%, and the Chinese are back in fifth, gaining just over a third of the number of votes of the USA. However, the older men get, the stronger the charms of the Asian neighbours become, with the gap at its smallest being just a mere three votes. Similarly, for men in their forties and over, Chinese women cut the gap from a third to about a half of the USA score.

For women, as they get older (ignoring the over sixty bracket which has a very small sample size, so may be rather inaccurate) the attraction to American men only get stronger; in their twenties, Americans get just under a quarter of the vote, but by their fifties, it surpasses three in ten. Despite the charms of the disturbingly Harry Potter-like Bae Yong Joon Korean men do not seem to be particularly favoured by the middle-aged demographic.

[JewishAtheist]

That's not what I said. I'm saying if you "don't like dark meat" it's more likely that you're also mean-spirited, not that it's definite.

[Peter]

"I challenge you to walk down 125th Street in Manhattan (that's Harlem if you don't know) with a fair skin black woman, with "good hair", at 9PM on a Friday night, with your arm around her. The readers of this board will then meet you in your hospital room, and you can report to us your findings."

The absolute worst thing that would happen is that the couple might get a few odd looks, mostly because they would be a somewhat unusual sight. And that's it.

[David Alexander]

**Leftism is at its core an intra-white war wherein the SWPL elite is purifying the white race by swamping non-elite whites with the swarthy races.**

Joke: Yes, and the benefit is that we non-whites will swallow up your white genes and move closer to our secret goal of being white.

Mind you, for all intents and purposes, I've alluded to the idea that SWPL/elite whites tend to view blue collar whites as failures since they didn't go to college. For SWPL types, poor minorities are suppressed by racism and poverty, and that handing them money along with education should improve their condition and turn them into white collar whites like them, except with dark skin. They see that a similar process worked for their parents and grandparents or themselves, so they seek to see the same process for others in order equalize minorities. In contrast, they see blue collar whites as failures who were too lazy to take advantage of the opportunity to become "white" like them.

**The typical gathering in Manhattan will be a mostly all-white affair, with one or two token blacks, and a white guy with an Asian wife or girlfriend. **

Yes, but the presence of the two token blacks means that they're accepting of white acting black people which means they're not racist. If they're actively chasing out black people, then that would make them racist.

And no, not dating non-white men does not make white women racist. By that logic, my lack of attraction toward Asian women would make me racist. Sometimes, people of other races aren't attractive to us, and other cases, it is easier to find somebody who is culturally similar to us in our own race or ethnicity. Of course, as so-called oreo who is a Catholic, I'm in a bizzare spot where I may have some commonality with people who don't look like me.

[Brutus]

This idea of cross-racial sexual attraction is interesting. I'm wondering (only applies to white men): Does the thought of cross-racial cunnilingus stimulate you?

What can we learn from whom we lick?

[The Undiscovered Jew]

"Does the thought of cross-racial cunnilingus stimulate you?

What can we learn from whom we lick?"

Does the woman look like Padma Lakshmi?

[Brutus]

"Yes, but the presence of the two token blacks means that they're accepting of white acting black people which means they're not racist. If they're actively chasing out black people, then that would make them racist."--David A

Davey boy, I have a problem with "white acting" as it demeans said blacks. I'm thinking of the black stereo salesman (played brilliantly by the underrated Don Cheadle) in "Boogie Nights"; is he "acting white" because he likes country music? I don't think so; what I think is that he's a well-adjusted black guy who is not afraid to express who he really is.

I think it's despicable to invite a black guy to a party for diversity's sake; invite him because you admire him and want to get to know him better.

[Brutus]

Does the thought of cross-racial cunnilingus stimulate you?

What can we learn from whom we lick?"

Does the woman look like Padma Lakshmi?

Posted by: The Undiscovered Jew | April 24, 2009 at 04:03 PM

I'd happily anilick her. But she's obviously an Indian Caucasian, so it's not transracial.

[40oz of Hate]

"That's not what I said. I'm saying if you "don't like dark meat" it's more likely that you're also mean-spirited, not that it's definite."

Maybe you could let us know when you move to Detroit and marry a black woman. Like I said, you're a low rent Will Saletan. But that's your problem.

[http://feministx.blogspot.com/]

"I am curious, what ethnicity you are and why do you find white men more attractive? Is it a status thing or do you just find male European physical features more attractive?"

Height is a big factor. I am Indian, and I do not like dating Indian men because I somehow feel that it is being incestuous. I feel like they are this extended family of mine. Asian men don't need an explanation- they look effeminate. I actually think white Arab men look better than white European men, so I don't know if its a status thing. And I am often attracted to black men though I rarely date them. I think that black men and white men might be about equal in physical attractiveness, but white men get so many more status points.

[http://feministx.blogspot.com/]

"But she's obviously an Indian Caucasian"

She's South Indian- probably not very caucasian.

[Peter]

"Does the thought of cross-racial cunnilingus stimulate you?"

There's probably no other activity in which the woman's race is less apparent.

[Brutus]

"Does the thought of cross-racial cunnilingus stimulate you?"

There's probably no other activity in which the woman's race is less apparent.

Posted by: Peter | April 24, 2009 at 07:21 PM

Have to disagree with you, Peter. Black women neither smell as good nor have the erotic aura down there as white womendo--and I think there are data out there to back that up. That's the non-PC point I was making.

If you look at pornography or fashion magazines, you'll find that darker-skinned women just aren't as erotic or beautiful. One man's opinion, and I think there must be a genetic basis for my observation.

[The Undiscovered Jew]

"I actually think white Arab men look better than white European men, so I don't know if its a status thing. And I am often attracted to black men though I rarely date them. I think that black men and white men might be about equal in physical attractiveness, but white men get so many more status points.

Posted by: http://feministx.blogspot.com/ | April 24, 2009 at 06:27 PM"

So maybe interracial sex has more to do with feminine/masculine phsycial features than race as Sailer has been insisting.

[The Undiscovered Jew]

"If you look at pornography or fashion magazines, you'll find that darker-skinned women just aren't as erotic or beautiful. One man's opinion, and I think there must be a genetic basis for my observation."

I'm more into Mediterranean looking women such as Italians, Greeks, Lebanese Christians, Persians than Northern Europeans.

[http://feministx.blogspot.com/]

"So maybe interracial sex has more to do with feminine/masculine phsycial features than race as Sailer has been insisting"

It probably mostly has to do with people not caring about race when choosing someone to have sex with- especially men. Even when society was vehemently racist, the white men were perfectly content to screw their black slaves. Only after we pass the overwhelming lack of discrimination men exercise when choosing sex partners do we get to the issue of race. And even then, I would guess that men value height/weight proportion, age, and a number of other factors before considering race related features.

Steve Sailer's ideas comes from his charming, but inaccurate romanticization of sexual attraction. He seems to base most of his claims on marriage rates, which doesn't actually tell us about who people want to fuck. Though I agree with the basic principle, it is perceived masculinity and femininity which matters more than race.

To test this idea, I ask a survey question- How do you rank the attractiveness of Arab women, Indian women and Asian women? By Arab, I mean someone that looks non European.

[Stopped Clock]

I dont really find Asians attractive at all and I think it is because they don't have many feminine characteristics. Mediterranean whites are the most feminine in appearance overall at least to me, but every man has a different eye and someone who's attracted to petite, slender women with finely=stranded hair might find that whites are just not that great and neither are Arabs and most Indians, but that China is just a nation full of unassuming supermodels.

[whiskey]

Most Black women don't find Asian or White men attractive. Study after Study shows this.

Most White and Asian men dont' find Black women attractive. Again, study after study shows this.

Meanwhile, White and Black men alike find Asian women attractive, and White and Asian women alike find Black men attractive.

Shrug. It is what it is. And among the implications, absent status-mongering accusations of "racism" .. is that Asian Men and Black women are the biggest losers in cross-racial dating. Since they are the least desired by cross-racial groups and in competition with the same sex from other groups/races.

Generally the most bitter and angry people about cross-racial dating are Black Women and Asian men. Neither btw interested in dating each other despite obvious arbitrage opportunities so to speak.

[guest]

feminist:

what's up with commenting on your blog? why do i have to get an account on one of the blogging portals just to do so? you'd get a lot more comments if it was easier for guest commenters to more easily comment, like how this blog or roissy's are set up...

anyway
"To test this idea, I ask a survey question- How do you rank the attractiveness of Arab women, Indian women and Asian women? By Arab, I mean someone that looks non European."

all the really hot indian women i've seen you highlight, like padma or that supposedly 'dravidian model' chick are fairly caucasoid featured. 'real' dravidian indians i've seen are much less so and fairly unattractive- by western standards of beauty. padma's my definition of an indian 10/10. i wonder what non- indians think of her. that dravidian model chick is like so many 'black' models/actresses in the anglosphere that tout their blackness but ignore their obvious non- black genes that have clearly affected their phenotypes. beyonce, halle, naomi...

most indians, except for some northern indians and some high caste southern indians, aren't caucasoid featured enough to turn me on at all. i'm indian, btw. however, if you look at bollywood, it seems like this type of sexual selection is playing itself out there, too.

arabs are basically even closer genetically to european caucasians than indians (see cavalli svorsa (sic?)). some are ultra hot in a very caucasoid way (even more manifest when they have light skin). see the current queen of jordan.

asian women are a different beast. just depends on whether a guy has 'yellow fever'.

"... I do not like dating Indian men because I somehow feel that it is being incestuous. I feel like they are this extended family of mine."

this seems like a cop out. if you're not into indian looks, well, i can't really blame you. but, if you told this to an indian guy who found you attractive, you understand how insulted he'd feel??

[Peter]

"To test this idea, I ask a survey question- How do you rank the attractiveness of Arab women, Indian women and Asian women? By Arab, I mean someone that looks non European."

My main preference in women is of course something unrelated to ethnic categories. Be that as it may, to answer your question:

- I generally rank Indian women fairly low. There are some beauties, but not many.
- Asian women are like baseball players with high batting averages who hit mostly singles, rarely extra-base hits. In other words, the average level of cuteness is high, probably higher than for any other races, but there aren't many stunners.
- No opinion on Arab women.

[The Undiscovered Jew]

"- I generally rank Indian women fairly low. There are some beauties, but not many.
- Asian women are like baseball players with high batting averages who hit mostly singles, rarely extra-base hits. In other words, the average level of cuteness is high, probably higher than for any other races, but there aren't many stunners.
- No opinion on Arab women."

I agree with Peter on East Asian women.

I'm only attracted to Indian women who are fairly Caucasiod in appearance, but only a small percentage of Indian's have Caucasoid features. There are probably more Pakistani's that could pass for white than East Indians.

Iranian/Persian women IMO generally look like curvier, prettier, Armenian and Azeri women - and I've always found Armenian women kind of hot.

Arab women are interesting because they can vary considerably by appearance. Generally, the Arabs who are Christian seem to be the most Southern Euro in looks.

I know Syrian Christian immigrants who could pass for Italian easily, and ditto Lebanese Christian women.

Also, many Arab immigrants I've met - even the not European looking ones - view themselves racially as white (I think Inductivist has data from the GSS where 75% of Arab Americans classified themeselves as white).

It's weird how so many different ethnic groups in Latin America and the Near East judge themselves by how close they are to European/American beauty standards.

[The Undiscovered Jew]

Two-thirds of American Indians say they are white?

http://inductivist.blogspot.com/2006/04/two-thirds-of-american-indians-say.html

Perhaps being white is cooler than I thought. There are large numbers of Americans from groups we don't think of as white who identify their race as white on the General Social Survey.

Percent of certain ethnic groups who say they are white:

Arabic 75.0%

snip

So most Arabs and Hispanics think they're white. I tell my Hispanic-dominated classes that it is ridiculous that the U.S. government often lumps them in with whites in its statistics, but maybe many think that is appropriate. And two-thirds of American Indians are white? Huh? These must be mixed people who choose white as race and AI as their ethnicity.

Comments?

posted by Ron Guhname @ 5:30 PM

[Peter]

"Two-thirds of American Indians say they are white?
http://inductivist.blogspot.com/2006/04/two-thirds-of-american-indians-say.html
Perhaps being white is cooler than I thought."

Could it work the other way around for most of these people? In other words, most of these people are white by any objective standards, but claim a bit of Indian ancestry because it's "cool."

--

"Generally, the Arabs who are Christian seem to be the most Southern Euro in looks.
I know Syrian Christian immigrants who could pass for Italian easily, and ditto Lebanese Christian women.
Also, many Arab immigrants I've met - even the not European looking ones - view themselves racially as white (I think Inductivist has data from the GSS where 75% of Arab Americans classified themeselves as white)."

More than half of all Arab-Americans are Christian. In addition, the biggest source countries are Lebanon and Syria, which have the Arab world's lightest people.

[Stopped Clock]

There are also a lot of very dark Lebanese though, much darker even than Arabs from places closer to the equator. "Why" they are dark, I dont know. Maybe it has to do with historical migration from other Middle Eastern countries into the area that is now Lebanon. I only know that I've seen them with my eyes (and I live in an area with not a lot of sun, so it's not just suntans fooling me).

[Wade Nichols]

“The only point I'm making is that wanting to date people only of your race is probably a good indicator of the "mean-spirited" kind of racism even if it itself isn't necessarily mean-spirited.”

The next “logical” step of course will be to insinuate that those who don’t date members of their own sex are homophobic, and if you don’t wish to have sex with farm animals, that you’re a raging specist.

“The absolute worst thing that would happen is that the couple might get a few odd looks, mostly because they would be a somewhat unusual sight. And that's it.”

You obviously haven’t been around many black people. Here’s what Spike Lee once said, as quoted by columnist Larry Elder:

http://www.capmag.com/articlePrint.asp?ID=2065

"During the promotion of his film "Jungle Fever," about a black/white interracial romance, the black filmmaker stated that he disliked interracial couples! Incredibly, he said, "I give interracial couples a look. Daggers. They get uncomfortable when they see me on the street."

Every black person either married or dating a white person that I know has told me that they "get more shit" from black people by far. (But they won't say this in front of other black people, it's something black people don't speak of in public, like saying "OJ was guilty.")

[king obama]

"The next “logical” step of course will be to insinuate that those who don’t date members of their own sex are homophobic, and if you don’t wish to have sex with farm animals, that you’re a raging specist."

This is a bullshit argument, and you know it.

When people say that they wouldn't date someone of another race I think that they mean they "generally" wouldn't date someone from another race due to certain general features (like asians generally being short or blacks generally being too burly). They don't mean the would never, under any circumstances, date someone of another race since individual people differ from the "average" of every race (there short and/or burly whites, for instance).

So, I do agree that someone who has a strict "no other race" dating policy is probably mean-spirited since this policy is based on feelings of superiority and nothing else.

Plus, there are a lot of factors that go into dating someone, and looks is just one factor. The idea that you do not find even a few non-whites attractive or funny or fun to be around is preposterous. There are millions upon millions of non-whites USA. How can you afford to be so picky? Are you a supermodel?

[http://feministx.blogspot.com/]

"what's up with commenting on your blog? why do i have to get an account on one of the blogging portals just to do so? you'd get a lot more comments if it was easier for guest commenters to more easily comment, like how this blog or roissy's are set up..."

I didn't know commenting was enabled only for registered users. Thanks so much for letting me know!

"all the really hot indian women i've seen you highlight, like padma or that supposedly 'dravidian model' chick are fairly caucasoid featured. 'real' dravidian indians i've seen are much less so and fairly unattractive- by western standards of beauty. "

I think this is a bias. If you think an Indian girl looks attractive, you will say it is because she looks caucasian even if she is has more dravidian ancestry than average.

I actually think the caucasian looking Indians look slightly less attractive. I think this is because I am least attracted to Arab women, because I think they look slightly masculine. They also have the highest tendancy to be obese. I have noticed that punjabi women tend to be overfat more than most Indian women- perhaps because they have more Arab ancestry.

The difficulty with asking non Indians to assess the attractiveness of Indians is that they aren't really that good at discerning which women are Indian.

[guest]

feminist:
thanks for saying you're going to look into my suggestions about your blog. it needs to have a mechanism to allow completely anonymous commenting more easily. it doesn't right now.

i'm indian, btw. when i say that the fake dravidian chick really looks caucasoid or that padma is a bona fide 10/10 indian, i have enough experience with indian chicks to state my case.

i know dravidians. a few dravidians have been friends of mine. that supposed dravidian model you highlighted is no pure dravidian.

having said that, she probably does have -some- dravidian heritage. but, whatever 'non- dravidian' heritage is in her genes is clearly showing in her phenotype.

again, there's no bias going on here. i know enough indians to know how to carefully discern the ones who look more aryan/dravidian from the ones who don't.

another thing, you said you primarily date white guys despite finding black guys approximately as good looking. you do understand that you might be accepted in the indian community with a white husband; you'll be kicked out with a black husband. plus, any potential half-indian kids might get treated completely differently (especially by indians themselves) with a black guy versus a white guy, on average. i'm only bringing this up because nobody will likely discuss this politically incorrect issue in private with you so i might as well openly discuss it on a forum like this, where there's nothing but pure freedom of speech.

[guest]

'again, there's no bias going on here. i know enough indians to know how to carefully discern the ones who look more aryan/dravidian from the ones who don't.'

should be: again, there's no bias going on here. i know enough indians to know how to carefully discern the ones who look more aryan/CAUCASOID from the ones who don't.

[http://feministx.blogspot.com/]

" that supposed dravidian model you highlighted is no pure dravidian."

I think the angularity of her features are from caucasian heritage though even among very dark skinned women, that is not uncommon.

When I go to South India, I think the more dravidian looking women are equally attractive as the rest even though they are poor and less put together. Padma Lakshmi is not very Dravidian, but she is still South Indian and she still wouldn't appeal to South Indian film makers because of her height and thinness.

I consider myself Dravidian because of my physical frame. My height and proportions are from the Dravidian side. Otherwise, I would say I probably somehow have more East or Central Asian ancestry in me than the average South Indian, but I am not seeing a lot of white in me. Mostly, I am Drav. It's more obvious if you see my mother and brother- they look quite Dravidian except for my brother's slightly East Asian looking eyes (which I share). My father barely even looks Indian (he looks like a caucasian Arab).

There are plenty of pics of me on my blog if people want to look.

[guest]

'I consider myself Dravidian because of my physical frame. My height and proportions are from the Dravidian side. Otherwise, I would say I probably somehow have more East or Central Asian ancestry in me than the average South Indian, but I am not seeing a lot of white in me.'

dravidian phenotype for most indians is judged on 1) facial looks and (to a slightly lesser degree) 2) skin color.

almost no indian cares about height or body proportions in judging this issue.

'Mostly, I am Drav. It's more obvious if you see my mother and brother- they look quite Dravidian except for my brother's slightly East Asian looking eyes (which I share). My father barely even looks Indian (he looks like a caucasian Arab).'

ok. but, you already admitted your dad was an 'aryan' brother of color so suggesting you have more dravidian blood than you likely do is a little naive. from your (off angle) face pic, you look like your within the phenotype of the average type of indian, not too dravidian or too aryan- not meant as an insult, btw.

[http://feministx.blogspot.com/]

"almost no indian cares about height or body proportions in judging this issue."

They may not care, but that doesn't help their accuracy. My skin color is darker than what almost any of my pictures can show. I guess the flash lightens my skin tone. I'm slightly darker than the average Indian. My brother is as dark as an average African American. I can't really see how I can be a different race than my brother. I also have curly bushy hair- probably another Drav feature. Really, the only non Drav things about me are some of my facial features.

[guest]

actually, i take it back. i saw some more pictures of that chick menon. yeah, you're right. she looks more dravidian with proper lighting showing her true skin color and full facial shots. looks a lot less attractive for that, imo. but, she still seems at least a little mixed with aryan and is still head and shoulders above the average pure blooded dravidian chick.

[ogunsiron]

indian women :
Not into them in general. I can think of one dark skinned indian girl that I sometimes see around whom i think is very hot, but that's only because her facial features belgong to subset of facial features only found in europe and not generally caucasian, ie not typical indian caucasian looks at all. The very australoid indians are very unattractive to me. The north indian chicks don't elicit that much reaction. I mostly find them very very boring looking and I'm indifferent. They are caucasian but their features aren't those that i care about. That includes Padma. Finally, unless the girl is westernized, her culture is very foreign and i just don't care that much about indian/pakistani cultures. I guess I'm one black guy who won't mind the lack of attention from brown chicks, lol.

Asian girls :
This is a relatively recent development but i'm starting to like north-east asian girls more and more. I'm not at all into south-east asians like philipinos, etc .

Arab girls :
It varies but I like the christian lebanese girls the best. But that's obviously because they, when assimilated, are just regular white girls with a touch of exotic look to them.

[Gigi]

You people are crazy - get a life. Who really cares about all this crap!

[AntiBeast]

You mean white American women are not racist if they are willing to date or marry non-white men?

I don't get it.

Aren't citizens of the Unayted Staytes of Amelica racist by definition?

[Geroge]

"Under evolutionary theory, men and women should be overwhelmingly attracted to members of the same race."

The human race. The American concept of race is a bunch of baloney..most Serbs and Croats will tell you that as would Basque and Irish nationalists. Anyone who prefers someone on the basis of color is a racist...and you know what happens to racists in some extreme cases, racists who will marry a twice divorced white wife abuser over a decent person of another race..ask the wives of Drew Peterson. One of them is six feet under and the other, no one knows where she is!

[Nick]

Your all a bunch of racists!
Humans come in all shapes and sizes! You lot are writing people off based on some pre-judged idea about who or what they are like with out getting to know them. Have you all been brain washed by western media or what!
I'm Indian and get treated like shit by most people, especially women! But the levels of hiden racism on here is sickening! At least on other blogs people come out with it, whether it's culture, attitude, smell or all the other prejudiced crap people spout when discussing Indian men/women, but here it's become a genetic thing! Now that is EVIL!!!!

PS Shame on you FeministX with that " I am Indian, and I do not like dating Indian men because I somehow feel that it is being incestuous. I feel like they are this extended family of mine."
Why not just say you dont like Indian guys because you have 'prejudiced' views about us like every other self righteous racist, you remind me of younger female relatives I have who took the piss out of me for dating "Gori's" and then ten years on go and marry some old "Gora" who they work with! One even asked me not to bring my mixed race girlfriend to her wedding.............I didn't go!

[tamie]

so if you are a white woman that only dates black men its because that is what you are attracted to. but if you are a white woman that only dates white men you are a racist.

[George]

"so if you are a white woman that only dates black men its because that is what you are attracted to. but if you are a white woman that only dates white men you are a racist."

Anyone who selects a partner based on skin color rather than values and cultural compatability is a racist! Thus a white catholic American woman who would rather marry an Armenian from Armenia due to similar skin color and not marry a sixth generation American catholic Hispanic man or man of mixed Hispanic-white ancestry is a racist! However, a white southerner wanting to marry another white southerner may not be due to racism.

[George]

"I'm Indian and get treated like shit by most people, especially women!"

It all depends on where you live. If you are a Sinhalese from Sri Lanka married to a white woman, you will be treated better in SL than here in the good old USA except probably Hawaii. If on the other hand if you are a Sinhalese married to a Tamil you better stay in the USA and not return to Sri Lanka!

[Anum]

I am a paki (raised in Canada) and from my experience it seems in general every race prefers their own kind. I get the most interest from paki/indian/persian girls, followed by semi-high interest from white girls (who almost always interpret me as lebanese/mixed white), medium interest from chinese girls and absolutely none from black/arab girls (which can almost instantly tell that I am no arab).