James von Brunn was Ron Paul supporter

James von Brunn, the Holocaust museum gunman, was a member of the Ron Paul for President Yahoo group. Here's a Google cache of one of his postings, where he writes:

Remember, the un-Constitutional Federal Reserve Act (1913) gave JEWS control of America's MONEY.

This explains Ron Paul's hatred of the Federal Reserve. It's an anti-Semitic thing.

Comments

[The Undiscovered Jew]

"This explains Ron Paul's hatred of the Federal Reserve. It's an anti-Semitic thing."

I still don't understand at all why the antisemites like von Brunn hate the Federal Reserve so much.

I mean, yeah I know most of the Fed board members plus Bernanke and Greenspan are Jews; but the antisemites think the Jews already control ***Everything***.

If the Jews control everything already, then why do the Neonazis care so much about whether the Fed is run by Jews?

Why is the Fed uniquely evil from an antisemitic point of view?

Furthermore, why in God's name do they think abolishing the Fed would necessarily help the white race?

Would eliminating the Fed end immigration?

Would it increase the white birthrate?

Would it cause nonwhites to leave white countries?

What the hell does the Fed have to do with white survival?

It makes no sense.

[Fishbein]

Yes, we must support the Fed. To not do so is, in essence, to support another holocaust.

[reiver]

Perhaps I missed previous articles that give other evidence, and forgive me if I did, but it does not seem cogent to imply a belief is help by a person (like Ron Paul) based on the beliefs of one of his fans.

Ron Paul's dislike of the Federal Reserve can be explained in terms of his adherence to the Austrian school of Economics.

Note though that I am not making a claim that I know Ron Paul's beliefs, one way or another, on this issue. But only that my assertion is that this is not good evidence for it; and thus it is not cogent to draw such a conclusion from it.

[Patrick]

Obama's been president for a mere five months, and already there have been three fatal, high-profile political extremist attacks. The toll: three cops, one doctor, and one security guard. The motivation: right-wing zealotry.

Its time for non-violent, decent conservatives to admit that the DHS report was prudent and prescient in its analysis.

Half Sigma's smart to point out where von Brunn's political allegiances are because its people like von Brunn who are poisoning conservative discourse and ideals, and linking the wider right-wing with its most vile, violent elements.

Those in denial like Michelle Malkin - "shooter wasn’t “left” or “right,” just plain loony" - are apparently willing to ignore the problem at huge cost to the Republican Party and conservative movement. Its no secret that Ron Paul supporters and the extremely unsavory element that he attracts were legion among the "Tea Parties."

Conservatives who don't believe that Obama is trying to destroy the economy, wants to confiscate firearms, and who believe in a legal right to abortion need to sack up and exercise the violent, eliminationist element from their political wing before it threatens to permanently deface the GOP and conservatism at large.

I highly doubt this will be the last right-wing zealot to commit acts of political violence. Will some violent bigot shoot up a gay marriage ceremony before conservatives at large acknowledge that opposing gay marriage (complete with hyperbolic "gathering storm" and "threat to freedom" rhetoric) is both futile and wrong?

[enuf]

http://www.kaitaia.com/funny/g2/v/ForumPictures/repost/not_this_again.jpg.html

[Meng Bomin]

I wouldn't call this definitive proof by any stretch of the imagination of *Ron Paul's* antisemitism, though it certainly would make sense that for this reason, he attracted so many antisemitic supporters.

[Dignity]

Does this mean that Ludwig von Mises and Murray Rothbard were some of the biggest anti-Semites in the US?

[Wade Nichols]

"I wouldn't call this definitive proof by any stretch of the imagination of *Ron Paul's* antisemitism, though it certainly would make sense that for this reason, he attracted so many antisemitic supporters."

I agree with this statement. You could also find a lot of anti-Semitism among Obama's paisanos/core supporters (yes, I'm speaking in code!), starting with Reverend Wright. Remember, there's also photos of Obama and his wife at a dinner featuring Edward Said. Does that imply that Obama is also anti-Semitic?

Why the "low bar" for Ron Paul, yet glossing over of Obama? Soft bigotry of low expectations?

[Steve Johnson]

HS you're nuts on this topic.

Did you know Hitler was a vegetarian? Therefore, if you eat broccoli, you're an anti-Semite.

[Dignity]

Or he could just be a huge Austrian economics nerd, which he seems to be.

He's been a part of the Austrian econ circle for decades, hanging out with the likes of Lew Rockwell, Rothbard, etc. He spoke at the first Mises Institute conference in 1983: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcm8VvBcUdE&feature=channel_page

The Austrian econ circle always had a good deal of Jews in it, in addition to being led by one (Rothbard). The hardcore WNs and Neo-Nazis despise the Austrians and libertarians in general because they espouse individual liberty over the more communitarian or collectivist values and identity that WNs/Neo-Nazis want to foster and prize.

I lean toward the view that he's an Austrian econ/libertarian nerd. He says that he was reading Ayn Rand (Jewish) way back in the 50/60s and was a big fan of hers.

[Steve Johnson]

"This explains Ron Paul's hatred of the Federal Reserve. It's an anti-Semitic thing. "

To be less glib than my last post, this:

http://mises.org/books/Theory_Money_Credit/Contents.aspx

actually explains Ron Paul's thinking on this better than that of a nut who shot someone.

[Capital R. Rob]

"This explains Ron Paul's hatred of the Federal Reserve."

Is that what passes for a legal argument these days? Embarrassing.

[miles]

Patrick,

A Sudanese Immigrant recently ran his car into a crowd of children, injuring something like 13 kids. A muslim in Arkansas killed a member of the US Military (recruiter) and was on his way to go "wage jihad" before apprehended.

Thats 14 victims of people who are no doubt very "left-wing" zealotry.

14>5. You lose, pinko.

Sigma, opposition to a PRIVATELY-OWNED central bank does not make one some sort of right-wing loonie. Many people would like a Central Bank that is actually owned by the nation's people. There is nothing wrong with that, its simply a different point of view. Some folks want a gold standard, and some want a some sort of silver standard, and some want a world currency, and a few of our new citizens probably want pesos. I think a tighter money supply might have kept the last bubble from getting so out of hand myself, but blame other lending laws for the bubble and not the FED (although the loose money assuredly made it worse, and I think way too much bailout money was spent propping up Citibank, Countrywide, and Bank of America, which should have been allowed to collapse and whose execs should be person non grata in that business for such shitty management).

I do however, not that some -real- anti-Semites seem to be drawn to the theories about the FED's creation. Looking at how the FED was so secretly set up, one can understand some resentment there, and where there is resentment there will be scapegoating, and there you have it.

Patrick,
5 victims..............vs. how many did that Asian immigrant kill in Buffalo? How about that other Asian at Virginia Tech? Or the one who beheaded a chick at a coffee shop at VaTech? Its not merely 14>5..............Hell its probably 30>5. "Pinko Patrick", I like the sound of that.

[HS: The Federal Reserve is NOT privately owned, that's a lie spread by neo-Nazi types. It's just like any other government agency except that it's quasi independent of the executive branch--this was supposed to make it more apolitical.]

[Kudzu Bob]

Irrespective of whatever merits they possess, fringe movements attract an uneasy mix of smart, independent thinkers and androids-have-stolen-my luggage whack jobs.

For examble, consider the use of megavitamin therapy in medicine, which has had advocates that range from two-time Nobel Laureates to sleazy ex-cons.

Then there's the human biodiversity movement...

[7.62x39]

Posted by: Patrick | June 11, 2009 at 04:31 PM

You left out the black in Oakland who shot 4 cops and the black follower of the Religion of Peace in AR that shot those soldiers. Probably just an oversight...

[kurt9]

Ron Paul's criticism of the Federal Reserve is legitimate, being rooted in Austria economic theory and had nothing to do with antisemitism.

This is unjustified character assassination. I expect better from Half Sigma.

[miles]

Oops, I forgot about those 4 Black Prison Muslims in New York that wanted to bomb synagogues with phony-FBI-stooge weapons.

What would the potential victim-tally have been if they were successful Patrick?
I think at least 200 innocents. Being that they wanted to bomb synagogues, its safe to say all the potential victims would have been Jewish.

Further note: Reverend Jerimiah Wright has recently said "those Jews" wont let him talk to Obama, one of his former flock. Can you BELIEVE this guy who sat in that church all those YEARS is actually our president?
The same guy who recently said in the Middle East of all places that "America is one of the biggest MUSLIM countries on earth"?????!!!!!!! Id rather have Jimmy Carter again.

[Disgruntled]

I hope you were just being funny this time, or else I'm going to start worrying about your sanity.

[7.62x39]

"It's just like any other government agency except that it's quasi independent of the executive branch--this was supposed to make it more apolitical."

How's that working out?

[HS: Pretty well so far. The current recession isn't as bad as the Great Depression, we haven't had hyperinflation, no runs on banks. Monetary policy was too loose during the last decade, but let's hope the Fed learned its lesson.]

[Shawn]

I am guessing that the man who killed two American servicemen in Little Rock was an Obama supporter.

[Shawn]

You usually write good stuff but you are really stretching things here by basically tying extremists to Ron Paul.

92-94% of Blacks voted for Obama, and the Little Rock murderer was a Black Muslim. By the implied reasoning you could link the two, but really, one cannot.

I voted for Romney because I thought that Ron Paul did not have a chance, otherwise, I would have voted for him.

[BZ]

Speaking of anti-semites...

"HAMPTON, Va. (AP) - President Barack Obama's controversial former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, blamed "them Jews" in an interview this week for keeping him from speaking to the president, but later apologized for the comments. Wright, the former pastor of Chicago's Trinity United Church of Christ, said he hasn't spoken to Obama since he became president.

"Them Jews ain't going to let him talk to me. I told my baby daughter that he'll talk to me in five years when he's a lame duck, or in eight years when he's out of office," Wright told the Daily Press of Newport News following a Tuesday night sermon at the 95th annual Hampton University Ministers' Conference."

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D98OO9D80&show_article=1

[Fishbein]

Fourteen people were shot in just ONE day a few months ago in notoriously right-wing NYC.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/04272009/news/regionalnews/14_shot_in_single_day_166420.htm

These madmen think they can destroy the Fed, equal opportunity for all and the civil rights movement by violence and intimidation. We shall not be deterred.

[Healthy Markup]

"It's just like any other government agency except that it's quasi independent of the executive branch--this was supposed to make it more apolitical."

How's that working out?

[HS: Pretty well so far. The current recession isn't as bad as the Great Depression, we haven't had hyperinflation, no runs on banks. Monetary policy was too loose during the last decade, but let's hope the Fed learned its lesson.]

Points:

1)The FED was formed in 1913. It's been almost 100 years and they still haven't 'learned (their) lesson.'

2)If this was an actual editor's note, HS is showing a severe lack of imagination. Posts with the idea that Ron Paul hates Jews seems to lead to more comments per word than posts with any other topic. It's like a talk radio host mentioning abortion and then opening the phones.

3)If HS would Google around he could find collections of argumentative fallacies and then study them. It would give him something more interesting to talk about than all the commie stuff.

[DaveinHackensack]

"This explains Ron Paul's hatred of the Federal Reserve. It's an anti-Semitic thing."

That logic sounds specious. Just because a nut who shares Ron Paul's disdain for the Federal Reserve happens to be a Jew-hater doesn't mean Ron Paul is a Jew-hater.

"HS: Pretty well so far. The current recession isn't as bad as the Great Depression, we haven't had hyperinflation, no runs on banks."

This is true, and it's a good point. Ron Paul, like most goldbugs, seems to forget that we had arguably worse depressions during the 19th Century, when we were still on the gold standard and had no Federal Reserve. Ben Bernanke has made a similar point in response to questions from Paul during his Congressional testimony. Paul's response the last time was that, sure, we'd have bubbles and corrections without a Fed, but the situations would resolve themselves more quickly, and the economy would get back on track. History doesn't support that though.

[CC01]

Breaking NEWS!!

Von Brunn was a member of MENSA!

Therefor, all people with high IQ's are anti-Jewish homicidal maniacs.

http://www.us.mensa.org//AM/Template.cfm?Section=Home

[The Undiscovered Jew]

Sigma,

I think you ought to put up a post defending the Federal Reserve against the "Gold Bugs".

[MR. Informatsuya]

Ron Paul is like that crazy grandpa at family reunions. You know, the one that is rambling on about incoherent banalities, like how the Jews control the World. However, every relative understands the throws of mental illness have consumed grandpa's mind and they just chuckle and roll their eyes and say, "Ok, Grandpa."

Ron Paul, just like Grandpa, goes on his Federal Reserve rants, Gold standard rants, NWO conspiracies, etc. and every reasonable person just chuckles and thinks of their crazy grandpa.

Ah...the deranged ramblings of a syphilitic mind. You'll be missed Ron Paul.

[Dave R]

"This explains Ron Paul's hatred of the Federal Reserve. It's an anti-Semitic thing."

Opposition to the Federal Reserve is the default libertarian position, and there is a strong argument behind it whether you buy it or not. This cheap shot is beneath you.

[Truth(er)]

Anyone who believes Obama does not want to confiscate guns or destroy the US economy is called a liberal, not a conservative.

By the time your done limiting the conservative movement to the HBD'ers and other hothouse orchids, you may as well close up shop and settle for Democrat one-party rule.

[DiverCity]

HS, there you go again. Don't they teach logic in those second and third tier law schools anymore? How about the ability to think analytically?

[whiskey]

Patrick -- I'll see you Private Long (killed by a Black, Muslim convert and AQ member in Arkansas, at a recruiting station, a compatriot wounded) and Jeremiah Wright and Bill Ayers.

That aging Nazi guy was targeting the Weekly Standard, according to reports, and hated GWB. So he's so Left he's in that nebulous meeting ground where Khadaffi, Wright (who went to see Khadafi some years ago), Farrakhan, and Ayers all mingle. They're all extremely LEFT (rejection of individual rights, prefer group identity) and resemble the the various ugly nationalisms that took over 1930s Europe after the failure of traditional nationalism to "crowd out the weeds."

I don't like Ron Paul (at all) and find him an anti-semitic lunatic. Much like Rommel seeing the Ardennes for what it was, however, Paul's view on the Gold Standard preventing governments from debasing currency and thus making hard choices between taxing and spending is a decent insight. You don't have to like or respect Werner Von Braun as a man to recognize his skill as a rocket engineer. Or Paul's insight into how politicians will avoid tax/spend questions by simply printing money.

We will probably fall back onto the Gold Standard after we've inflated the dollar into nothing, by printing too much money.

Traditional conservatism, focuses on promoting "smallness" i.e. ties to family, region, nation, patriotism, love of the land, social institutions outside the government that help people, such as the Boy Scouts or Church organizations and the like. They are IMHO the best inoculation against stuff like "Left Nationalism" such as the BNP (is alleged to be) and what the National Socialists and Fascists were indeed like. But that depends on a traditional society oriented around middle class families.

[TinyNetbook]

Please stop feeding HS's self-trolling for Ron Paul, which he trots out every time he wants an increase in traffic.

Besides, HS is smart enough to know that fractional-reserve banking is essentially fraud, but he lacks the moral foundation to think it should be abolished (at least at the monopoly government level). Those who do not have principled convictions are usually very antagonistic at those who have the courage to pursue those convictions.

[TGGP]

Ron Paul is about as anti-semitic as Murray Rothbard, Ludwig von Mises, Walter Bloc, Israel Kirzner, Ludwig Lachmann, George Reisman, Fritz Machlup or Steve Horwitz.

[HS: All those people are either dead or almost old enough to be dead.]

[Meng Bomin]

"HS: All those people are either dead or almost old enough to be dead."

Wouldn't the set of people who are almost old enough to be dead include Ron Paul?

[HR1207]

Support HR 1207 Audit the FED. Ron Paul is the most honest man in Washington.

[Billare]

Ron-Paul is a fucking mensch, Half Sigma. You need to get over your irrational hatred of the man, seriously, because he's one of the few men of principle left in Congress that one can admire nowadays. The State and the law as it exists is allied against him, and one man cannot move mountains, but he's one of those people who you watch from afar and admire leading the last resistance while you frantically gather your valuables to escape the oncoming deluge. I have been up for longer than 24 hours, which explains the ridiculous metaphor.

[Billare]

Ron Paul is wrong about some things, not a few but certainly not a lot, and I feel that he's close enough to most of our positions that you really have to praise him for his uprightness and principle. He may even gain the country a couple of years with the new bill he's sponsored to make the Fed's balance sheet more transparent before we go broke prematurely.

[Former GOPer]

By this logical fallacy, anyone who likes art, architecture, animals, nature, dislikes smoking or is health conscious must be an anti-semite because these happen to be inoffensive characteristics of Hitler.

You are obviously (again) winding up the Ron Paul supporters much like you do with Sarah Palin. Can one spam on their own blog? I'm surprise this old trick still gets a rise out of your readers.

[Alex Birch]

I'm not sure why people take this stuff seriously. It's attention seeking. Obviously Ron Paul is not anti-Semite; his favorite economist is a Jewish monetarist. His ideology is as far away from NS ideology as you can come (Conservative Libertarian).

[acptulsa]

Now, you don't know who Lee Harvey Oswald voted for for president, do you? John Wilkes Booth? Leon Czolgosz? Sirhan Sirhan? James Earl Ray? John Hinckley, Jr?

You know who this old fart who carried a rifle into the Holocaust Museum publicly supported for president on an unmoderated board, don't you? In fact, did he support Ron Paul? Or did he just leave his signature on a Ron Paul board, and the rest is rewritten history?

And you people claim WE'RE crazy.

[DiverCity]

HS, you think the Fed has handled the crisis competently? You just don't get out much.

[JimBob]

Utter nonsense. Yours is the reasoning of a fool.

About a year ago, Ron Paul wrote of Milton Friedman, "The death of economist Milton Friedman last week at the age of 94 marks a great loss for advocates of freedom everywhere ... I was proud to know Dr. Friedman for many decades, and considered him a friend." If you have a modest education, you know that Milton Friedman's parents were Russian Jews.

Ron Paul is an unabashed fan of Ludwig von Mises. Von Mises was an Austrian Jew who emigrated to escape the Anschluss. A person with modest education will recognize that latter term means the Nazi annexation of Austria.

Ron Paul is also an fan of Friedrich von Hayek, the recipient of Nobel Prize for Economics. Hayek also emigrated to escape the Anschluss.

Finally, Ron Paul acknowledges that he is a libertarian of the school of Murray Rothbard. No, Murray Rothbard didn't have escape a Russian pogrom or the Holocaust like Friedman, Mises, and Hayek. He was an American-born Jew.

Friedman, Mises, Hayek, and Rothbard were Jews, not anti-Semites, knucklehead.

It's shamefully libelous to say that Ron Paul is an anti-Semite when the guy openly and proudly identifies Jewish intellectuals both as friends and as his chief economic and political influences.

[HS: A lot of Nazis had Jewish friends too.]

[Lester Hunt]

Wow. Anti-libertarian smears reach a new low.

[James Ophant]

im shocked at the ignorance of these messages. wanting to shut down the fed or at least curtail its powers has NOTHIng TO DO WITH the ethnicity of its leadership.

Please watch the movie "Money As Debt", the "creature from jekyll island" or "Zeitgeist " to get an understanding of the issues that lovers of liberty have with central banking.

[Steve Horwitz]

Steve Horwitz does indeed wish the Fed didn't exist. Steve Horwitz is indeed Jewish.

However, Steve Horwitz is not nearly old enough to be nearly dead. Unless 45 is the new 85.

[John Standos]

While I think it's no coincidence that white supremacists flock to Ron Paul, this is not what you think it is. The person who posted that at the Ron Paul group's name is "Terrible Tommy" and he is actually reprinting an email that he received. I think.

[Sumo]

If there was a prize for best ad hominem attack, you would definitely win it.