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August 24, 2009

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It's always been my impression that the men who marry trophy wives are not decrepit old men, but men in early middle age at the peak of their earning power. Men in their 40's for the most part.

Also, might the asian cultures revere the elderly, as opposed to our youth-obsessed culture?

Do you think that the men listed in the article couldn't have their choice of glamorous white gold diggers, actresses or models? Surely they could have.

They probably chose Asian women because they are less neurotic than white american women, harder working and smarter to boot. As a HBD embracing blogger you should know that Asians have higher IQs on average than whites and that overseas Chinese have IQs on average that approach or equal those of Ashkenazis.

Hmmm...
"...I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry at the cheeky blog stuffwhitepeoplelike.com, which ranks Asian girls at number 11 because "Asian women avoid key white women characteristics, such as having a midlife crisis, divorce, and hobbies that don't involve taking care of the children.""

Don't laugh or cry but do pay attention. All of the "powerful men" she cites already have been married and they found that the dont like the product that modern Western culture is pumping out- the post-college, neurotic American woman.

Picking someone from another culture and not exposing them to dingbat American media like MarieClaire is a perfect strategy for a happy domestic life.

And why is this woman so down on fetishes? What a kill joy.

Proles do thing based on their feeling without long term thinking. So they eat delicious but unhealthy food. they lust opposite sex after physical attraction, less care for their long term potential. Proles evolved into creature with strong physical sexual attractive feature but in poverty.

Upper classes are opposite of proles. Spouse's potential for wealth, status, long term well-being are always more important than physical attraction. Upper classes behave alway like English aristocracy. Social status is always more important than looks. No wonder English nobles are never known for beauty.

[HS: Historically accurate, but there has been a strange reversal in mating preferences during the last few decades.]

"HS: Historically accurate, but there has been a strange reversal in mating preferences during the last few decades."

Yes. But some upper class people have evolved historical phenomena into their genes. Respecting for old people is an example of internalized genetic chang in civilized society. Old people were considered trouble and have no respect in hunter-gatherers.

I lived in Japan for 10 years. All of the white guys living there have the "Asian fetish". I was one of the few that did not have the Asian fetish and still ended up married to a Japanese lady. Generally my marriage is good. Asian women are easier to get along with than women of other races (including white) because they do not "shit test" you or do any of the other socio-biologically based BS that women of other races like to do so much. East Asian women, on average, are more intelligent than the women of other races as well.

They do tend to be as materialistic as white women. However, this is not as big of problem as you might think because they tend to "work with you" more than the women of other races do to help you make the money. For example, if you have to travel a lot or work late in order to develop the product or make the sales, they do not complain about how you are not spending enough time at home with them, because they understand the demands of business.

Being less socio-biological than other races, East Asian women actually like nice guys (semi-beta), but definitely like the guys who bring home the bacon. As with all women, they like guys who are good-looking and make good money. The difference is that you do not have to be a bad-boy alpha male.

If you are a successful professional or business person, especially if you are an engineer or technical sales person, East Asian women are definitely the best choices for marriage partners. I wouldn't even consider women of any other race, and I definitely do not have the Asian fetish either. I like East Asian women simply because they are more agreeable to be around as well as more intelligent (I can't stand stupid people).

Also, East Asian women tend to age better than the women of other races.

Another thing about East Asian women, especially Japanese. They like the boyish-looking pretty boys. They like guys like Brad Pitt and Michael J. Fox, when they were young. They don't like the more masculine alpha guys like Mel Gibson (when young) or George Clooney. If you're a short pretty boy who doesn't score much in the U.S. because you're too short and too "pretty", go to Japan! You will definitely clean up there.

With regards to the trophy wife phenomenon, Western women being able to make their own money will make them generally less attracted to guys with money than before. They will want guys who are good looking.

I was on the freeway in Phoenix while listening to the radio. Women are asked if given a choice if they prefer an average looking guy loaded with money or a good looking guy who was not. Most of the women wanted the good looking guy. One young women responded with "make him hot! I don't care about the money, just make him hot!".

"Young Western women, today, are more likely to be grossed out by the idea of having sex with a withered old man. Marrying a man for his money has become less socially acceptable than it used to be. This is especially true among smarter, college-educated, upper middle class women. A rich man who wants a young white trophy wife may have to settle for a slutty prole white woman."

I think this is partially right, but for the wrong reasons. I don't think marrying a man for his money has become less socially acceptable necessarily. All women desire to marry a man who, if not extremely wealthy, is generally of higher status including financial status. All the studies and surveys bear this out. For men, it tends to be the opposite, with men preferring to marry women who are somewhat below them in status.

I think the answer is more along the lines of what people like Roissy have written about. Young women these days, including smarter/college educ/upper middle class women have been conditioned to believe, and actually do believe that they can have it all. They think they can spend their prime years in their 20s hopping from alpha to alpha, pursuing their "careers", and that eventually when they're older in their 30s there will be some uber alpha waiting to marry them. So a lot of these women aren't even looking to get married at a young age. They mistakenly believe that they will be trophy wives when they're in their 30s and much older.

Woody Allen and Rupert Murdoch are definitely at the gross, withered old man level, but Nicholas Cage and Vivi Nevo are relatively young and still around their prime as men. I'm pretty sure that Cage and Nevo would have their choice pick of young females. Also, Cage is on his third wife (the Asian one) and he was previously married to Patricia Arquette and Lisa Marie Presley, so he may have wanted to settle down with a submissive, feminine type after dealing with difficult, "independent minded", histrionic Hollywood types.

I'm LOL at the display ad that google put on this page... "Interracial romance is just a click away. Click here to start searching."

EA women are fine, or at least some are. I would consider dating them but not marrying them (if I weren't married: I'm a rarity: a married HS reader!. It's the bitchiness factor for one (Asians are famous for that9, and the lack of boobage, on the other hand, which turn me off.

Plenty rich, famous guys still marry young attractive white women. Michael Douglas, Fred Thompson, and lots of others. Average betas willl not be able to marry much younger women, even if they do have lots of money though.

There is a book dealing with American classes. The class behavior is not defined by income. A rich prole will still behave like prole.

Donald Trump is a prole with some money.

Bill Gates is a real upper class with upper class mindset.

As a HBD embracing blogger you should know that Asians have higher IQs on average than whites and that overseas Chinese have IQs on average that approach or equal those of Ashkenazis.

Which is why the Chinese win about as many Nobel Prizes as Jews. I wouldn't say Asian people in general are notably smart, just more nose to the grindstone in their study habits than other ethnicities. If you're looking for sheer raw smarts, look for an Ashkenazi. If you're looking for average intelligence combined with a decent level of academic achievement, then an Asian girl might be a good bet.

Asian women are probably more agreeable and less neurotic than other races, but it's inaccurate to say that there aren't plenty of Western women that would make good marriage partners. Any man that can't find a decent wife here is probably a major league loser or dork.

Anyway, divorce rates in East Asia are finally starting to spike pretty high. So any advantage of looking east may fade pretty soon.

"I lived in Japan for 10 years. All of the white guys living there have the "Asian fetish". I was one of the few that did not have the Asian fetish and still ended up married to a Japanese lady. Generally my marriage is good. Asian women are easier to get along with than women of other races (including white) because they do not "shit test" you or do any of the other socio-biologically based BS that women of other races like to do so much. East Asian women, on average, are more intelligent than the women of other races as well."

Kurt: We, as Asian men, only have a slim sexual market of women that we can date or who actually are willing to date us. Women of other races, even white women, don't want us. Our only chance to scoring with women and passing on our genes are with Asian women. So by taking more and more Asian women from the pool of which we can choose from, you are making our situation even more grim and dire. You are making our bitter situation as Asian men, even more like hell, by spreading the word and all these white men taking our women in such high numbers that they'll be nothing left of us to mate with.

Why don't you white guys with this crazy yellow fetish stick to your own race of white women because you're taking away the only women from our pool willing to date us and soon we'll have nothing left. I pity your type that come over to Asia and take our women. It reminds me of 21st century imperialism all over again. You'll leave us with nothing, just a bachelor society and barely any women left.

This also complements this post very well:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SI3lPLsbwjw

(YouTube clip title: Why Asian Girls Go For White Guys)

Sighs, as an Asian man, I am very sad and bitter by this. So I hope you understand and see where we are coming from. As an Asian guy, finding a woman is hard enough, now all you yellow fever white guys are making it worse for us by taking our women from our already slim pool and thus adding insult to injury. I just wish you white men would not have yellow fever. I feel like you are taking away our race and blood of women and leaving us with nothing to fulfill our relationship/sexual needs with or to pass on our genes. In a century, they'll be no East Asians left. Everyone will be half white and half Asian with a white father.

"Young Western women, today, are more likely to be grossed out by the idea of having sex with a withered old man."

cue the article from Bernie Madoff's mistress:

http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/books/article6806254.ece?token=null&offset=36&page=4
"He gave me a welcoming smile. It wasn’t lewd and lascivious, but slightly seductive and almost happy. I knew instantly that he was attracted to me.

Though I’d felt a surge of connection, I wasn’t particularly attracted to him — he didn’t have the pretty-boy features I preferred. Still, there was something in him that piqued my interest. My female intuition was telling me there was something else going on with this man; there was an intrinsic sensuality about him that was both attractive and alluring.

....
I jumped when I heard Bernie’s voice behind me.

“Hi, Sheryl,” he said in a low, husky tone. "


In addition to white men conquering our lands in East Asia by stealing our gunpowder invention, now they're stealing our women. This is why a lot of Asian men are bitter, because or your imperialistic past and taking things from our lands, and now you're taking over women? Another reason why we're bitter is because while you white guys with yellow fever can get Asian girls, we can't get white girls in return because of all the stereotypes you white guys created to "disenfranchise" us of all women.

Also, if these white men are to date outside their race, why pick a race where the guys get screwed over the most and have little to choose from? In other words, if you white guys dated Latinas, the Latino guys wouldn't get screwed over since they'll still enjoy access to white women to make up for the Latina women going over to white guys. On the other hand, Asian guys can't do that, while white guys get Asian girls, Asian guys can't make up for that shortage since white women don't want them. So why do you white guys pick a race where the male side get screwed over the most? Keep your damn fetishes to yourself and stop screwing us Asian men over with the negative externality you have created upon us.

I wish Asian men would stop acting like they own women just because they share a race. You're not guaranteed a certain type of women in dating so stop complaining when you get out competed. I'm an Asian girl and recently I started dating white men. To be honest, I only started because while I was in med school I was really stressed out and my lovely Asian guys all told me to go jump off a bridge if I'm scared and anxious of not doing well.

So lesson number 1: Learn some empathy. You know that pesky SAT verbal section that you ignored because you knew you would get a 800 in math? Well, turns out it will actually serve some purpose in life when discussing feelings and being humanistic. Women like feelings. We like men who understand our feelings especially when we are scared.

Lesson 2: You may be nice, honest, and loyal but if you don't pay any attention at all to your body I'm never going to want to sleep with you. As much as I try, I can't force myself to be sexually attracted to a man with skinnier arms and smaller shoulders than me. I'm 5'8" and 120 lbs but most of the Asian guys who hit on me are pretty much scarecrows. You know, lift some weights now and then, it's the 21st century. Having a professional degree and a basic wardrobe isn't going to cut it.

Lesson 3: Stop being so gloomy and bitter. God....it just screams loser. Please. At least pretend to have a positive outlook on life...

Lesson 4: Let go of Mommy and stop living at home! So many Asian guys I know live with their parents and don't understand why they are single at 30. Please! If the only place you have to be alone with a girl is in your car or the park...you're not going to score a chick whose alternative is a Caucasian guy with a apartment on the Upper East Side even if he is a known womanizer.

Lesson 5: Be more flexible. I had a Asian guy friend once who I dated in the past. I knew that he wanted to marry me and I probably would have out of high school loyalty if only he didn't say no to just about ever demand I made of him. Would it really hurt him to put on a pirate costume and go out with me on Halloween? Really? If it's important to me even if he is just a nerdy engineer who is terrified of attention, do it to show me you care. Make an attempt. What do you have to lose?

So there we go. These are just my pet peeves from dating Asian men. At the age of 27 I think I can say now that if I don't marry outside of my race, I'm hitting up a sperm bank.

Why is it that race realists get more worked up when white women date nonwhites than when white men marry out?

Is it because men are - from an evolutionary standpoint - expendable, whereas women's reproductive value is considered higher from and HBD standpoint?

Lee sounds like a troll. Possibly a white guy playing the whole "Angry Asian Man" thing. Can be fun, I guess.

Anyway, Lee's complaints don't garner much sympathy for a number of reasons. For the most part, Asian women end up settling down with Asian men. A lot of the Asian women you see dating white male expats in Asian countries do so for fun, novelty, rebellion, etc., before eventually settling down with and marrying an Asian guy. And a lot of the white male expats in Asian countries enjoy their time in a different country dating various native women before eventually returning home to settle down and marry a white woman. And the world's Asian population is so large that there is no danger of all the white men taking all the Asian women.

Lee, white men can't help it if Asian women are more sexually satisfied by Aryan penises than Mongoloid penises.

It's not the fault of Asian dudes, it's just something that happened because of evolution.

By the way, one more thing, I like fetishes. I have quite a few myself. I'm sorry, I went to a Science High School....I have years of sexual repression. My Asian boyfriend never wanted to partake. I suppose he just never knew how to communicate or make me feel comfortable about expressing myself. SAT verbal kids, it's not just for white kids.

Also, at my university, I see more Asian chicks hanging out with with white girls than I see Asian girls hanging out with Asian men.

I assume the AFs are hanging out with WFs in order to have carnal relations with Aryans.

"In other words, if you white guys dated Latinas, the Latino guys wouldn't get screwed over since they'll still enjoy access to white women to make up for the Latina women going over to white guys"

As I understand it, white male/Hispanic female relationships are not uncommon in most parts of the country. The Northeast is the one exception, with most white/Hispanic relationships following the same gender pattern as white/black ones (namely, minority men and white women).

Lee, the solution is obvious. Date black women.

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HA HA HA HA HA

yeah, i know. sorry, dude.

I want to preface by saying I am a Chinese guy.

While it is true there is a smaller pool of women thanks to the one child policy, I find many Asian males are not very masculine and dominant. They are very skinny and effeminate in looks and persona. This is also a complaint by a number of Chinese and Japanese girls.

Now, If you so much as show a hint of masculinity and edge, it becomes a walk in the park. Remember white betas are pulling Asian girls, we aren't even talking about an influx of PUA. So I am saying man up instead of being bitter about it.

Kate - you got any cute white med school friends who are into law students?

TUJ,

It's kind of creepy hearing a Jewish guy use the word "Aryan" so much.

White guys date Latina women. The problem is, on average, Latina women seem to be fatter than white women. Middle class and up white men strongly prefer slender women.

"The Northeast is the one exception, with most white/Hispanic relationships following the same gender pattern as white/black ones (namely, minority men and white women)."

Isn't Hispanic in the Northeast even with recent Mestizo immigration a proxy for mulatto males Spanish speaking males?

All right, just one more thing to add after I actually read the Marie Claire article (for the second time, I read it a long time ago and forgot most of it).

I'm somewhat annoyed that the writer dehumanizes both the White Man and the Asian Woman in saying that he is out for a trophy and she is out for a father figure. That sounds like someone is just trying to stir the pot. See, I'm not sure how scientific my sample is but having gone to a public high school where the majority was composed of successful, intelligent, middle class Asians, at this point in my life I'm noticing that the most successful of my Asian female friends from HS, the rich bankers and the famous doctors - they all have White fiances. It's the timid, submissive girls who aren't very extroverted, forceful or very intelligent, they're the ones who are married to Asian men.

So, in the end, who is the trophy? If anything, I think the White Guy is the trophy.

Jack, sorry, this is med school. Everyone is Jewish or Asian. Are you Jewish? There are very few straight out Caucasians here. I hear the situation is worse at Weill Cornell. Btw, do you guys have post exam parties in the city? If so, please, let me "casually" drop by. :). In return, I'll give you the 411 on our hotspots. Hey, maybe we can help each other out.

Geesh, I wish I could combine comments. Sorry, Half Sigma, for the multiple comments.

"They see the Asian girl, like they see foreign women fresh off the boat, as competitors for the white men they have come to expect will bow and scrape before their precious white American vaginas."

This only applies to Asian immigrant women.

The American born ones can be just materialistic as any rich, white American girl.

"It's kind of creepy hearing a Jewish guy use the word "Aryan" so much."

I was just being a smartass.

"Roissy, who is an expert on women"

By far, the most laughable thing I've ever read on this site.

From the link below regarding American Asians: "... this model shows that Korean women have a White intermarriage rate of almost 61%."

Sounds pretty incredible and dramatic. But then look at the table. Korean men intermarry with white women at a rate of 40%. So while there is a disparity, Korean men are snagging a lot of white women.

And the numbers in the tables show Chinese and Japanese Americans doing okay with white women (both around 30% intermarriage rates).

http://www.asian-nation.org/interracial2.shtml

"For example, if you have to travel a lot or work late in order to develop the product or make the sales, they do not complain about how you are not spending enough time at home with them, because they understand the demands of business."

I wish my GF would STFU about the hours I work. Hey bitch, fancy shit costs money! Jesus H. Christ. No fucking conception of anything beyond 9 to 5. I've got family money and stuff to manage too. "These are fucking problems you want!" I tell her. God bless my mom, she never gave my old man shit about his working habits. Think that shit is fine just sitting around in some fucking vault or letting the paint peel?
I love her, but if she keeps it up, she'll be looking for another boyfriend. Seriously. She's a smart chick, but how the fuck she fails to understand the importance of long hours of you really want to get shit done and done right, is a mystery to me. It isn't rocket science. Fuck it all anyway, I'm fucking her gal pal on the side. It just kind of happened and keeps on happening...

Jack, I don't know any female doctors that are married to lawyers. My wife's female colleagues were more likely to marry engineers and IT types than lawyers. Some of the attendings during her residency married fellow doctors, but no lawyers. There's some hostility there.

Dan Morgan,

That data from http://www.asian-nation.org/interracial2.shtml has been debunked many times on this site.

Please see the archives.

"Remember white betas are pulling Asian girls, we aren't even talking about an influx of PUA."

Who knows maybe it's overrated: everyone notices the mixed marriages but no one notices non-mixed marriages. Besides what Betas are or aren't snagging isn't any helping Omegas. I guess and Omega is an Omega is an Omega.

[The Northeast is the one exception, with most white/Hispanic relationships following the same gender pattern as white/black ones (namely, minority men and white women).]

"Isn't Hispanic in the Northeast even with recent Mestizo immigration a proxy for mulatto males Spanish speaking males?"

That indeed may be the reason for the gender disparity in intermarriages.

"That sounds like someone is just trying to stir the pot. "

Welcome to Half Sigma, Kate. ;)

Poster "Lee" may or may not be a troll, but his complaints on behalf of Asian men are perfectly legitimate. For a few years there was an excellent website called "Bitter Asian Men" that told the story from the Asian man's point of view; it vanished, but you can still retrieve and read all its contents thanks to the Internet Archives "Wayback Machine." Here ya go:

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://bitterasianmen.com

"I like fetishes. I have quite a few myself."

Some fetishes can be pretty bad, fortunately I have a nice wholesome fetish.

Kurt: We, as Asian men, only have a slim sexual market of women that we can date or who actually are willing to date us. Women of other races, even white women, don't want us. Our only chance to scoring with women and passing on our genes are with Asian women. So by taking more and more Asian women from the pool of which we can choose from, you are making our situation even more grim and dire. You are making our bitter situation as Asian men, even more like hell, by spreading the word and all these white men taking our women in such high numbers that they'll be nothing left of us to mate with.

Lee: I can assure you that, at least in Japan, that the percentage of women who are attracted to western guys is small, certainly less than 10% (probably more like 5%). The vast majority of young Japanese women definitely prefer their own men. Most of them think white guys are a bunch of Arnold Schwarzeneggers'. Chinese women think this even more about white men. The white guys are not about to drain away all of the women of Asia.

Also, Asian guys are getting better and more cool looking, especially Japanese and Korean. One thing Asian guys have going for them is that they do not get fat like white and black guys do. Also, Asian men who go to the gym easily buff up. A good friend of mine, a Japanese surfer guy (a very good looking guy), went to Australia for surfing for 2 weeks. He easily cleaned up on the women down under. If the guys are good looking, I encourage them to date white women.

There are lots of Asians where I live in the Pacific Northwest. The Asian guys who work out in my gym are just as good looking as any of the white guys I see there. Some of them are quite extroverted as well.

Latina women do have a tendency to get fat more often than white women. However, when they are not fat, they are way hotter than white women.

Trunwill, two of my friends in law school are dating medical students.

@Lee

No one is "stealing" "your" women, unless it's rape. The same comment can be made the other way around, i.e. "white women -- quit stealing our men!"

As for the stereotypes, a lot of them are true. Don't get me wrong, I don't make fun of Asians, but I'm sure that you must have noticed that Asians are, for e.g., better at math than most other races, do you agree or disagree? If you agree then you're guilty of the same thing that you vilified whites for, namely stereotyping.

As an Asian American woman, I am sick and tired of being hit on by old White men. I neither need or want your attention.

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