I definitely sense a trend going on here. Woman Recants 2007 Tale of Kidnap and Assault.
The turn of events represents a striking reversal in a racially charged case that led to the conviction of seven people, all but one of whom are serving lengthy prison sentences.
Seven white men are in prison for a crime they didn't commit.
My understanding is that white on black rape is very rare. Anybody have actual statistics?
Posted by: The Engineer | October 22, 2009 at 12:28 PM
Nitpick: at least one of the imprisoned people is a woman.
Peter
Posted by: ironrailsironweights.wordpress.com | October 22, 2009 at 12:31 PM
Except they all confessed. And they were convicted without any testimony from the victim, which suggests there was ample evidence. I don't know, they might be innocent. But then why did they plead guilty? The woman in question has always had major psychological issues. For all we know, she just wants to get back with her "boyfriend" now and things that she will have a chance if she springs him out of jail.
Posted by: Stranger things | October 22, 2009 at 01:20 PM
I think I recall David Duke saying in an NPR interview that in a year 28 white men raped black women, but tens of thousands of black men raped white women.
NPR tabs didn't have enough time to confirm or deny the statistic.
Posted by: Alex | October 22, 2009 at 02:28 PM
My understanding is that white on black rape is very rare. Anybody have actual statistics?
If I recall correctly, stats indicate the total number of white on black rapes in the U.S. each year is less than ten (and possibly as few as zero in many years). I would guess that the FBI's stats would have to be the source of such information.
Posted by: tommy | October 22, 2009 at 03:57 PM
"Except they all confessed. And they were convicted without any testimony from the victim, which suggests there was ample evidence. I don't know, they might be innocent. But then why did they plead guilty? The woman in question has always had major psychological issues."
It may be the case that there was an orgy, the guys damning statements were the work of nasty word-twisting interrogations, and the guys plea bargained to avoid getting the most severe sentences.
"For all we know, she just wants to get back with her 'boyfriend' now and things that she will have a chance if she springs him out of jail."
She would be risking imprisonment herself by doing so.
Posted by: tommy | October 22, 2009 at 04:08 PM
The Engineer-"According to 1999 Index of Leading Cultural Indicators in rape, white criminals chose black women in 0 percent of their assaults, while black criminals chose white women in 28 percent of assaults. Of 83,000 cases of rape, Wilbanks could not fin any in which the rapist was white and the victim was black."
So usually in any given year thousands of white women are raped black men, yet 0 black women are raped by white men.
It's like Deja Vu all over again from the Duke Lacrosse case.
Posted by: Marla Singer | October 22, 2009 at 04:13 PM
No confessions because of a plea deal, maybe?
Posted by: Days of Broken Arrows | October 22, 2009 at 04:24 PM
Indeed, Stranger, why would anyone plead guilty when they were innocent in our broken, fucked-up legal system?
Especially when no matter what, even if they somehow were found innocent, Al Sharpton and a thousand other screaming race-baiting fanatics are there to make their lives a living hell?
Posted by: Mike | October 22, 2009 at 05:56 PM
"It may be the case that there was an orgy"
No, she had been staying at the residence for some time, either as a hostage or a resident.
"the guys damning statements were the work of nasty word-twisting interrogations, and the guys plea bargained to avoid getting the most severe sentences."
Perhaps, but you would think that being charged with such a heinous crime at least one of them, if not all, would not go down without kicking and screaming.
Posted by: Stranger things | October 22, 2009 at 05:56 PM
I bet if you did a study of false criminal reports by race, you would find that blacks are wildly over-represented.
In my experience blacks are much bigger liars than non-blacks. Which is a strange thing to say since most people of any race will lie if they perceive it to be in their interests. The difference is that blacks are much more willing to tell whoppers, i.e. to engage in wild flights of fancy.
The reason, in my opinion, comes down in large part to the familiar concept of time preferences. Non-blacks are much more likely to think about the future than blacks. In the context of lying, this means that non-blacks are more likely to think about what evidence might emerge to contradict their lie and about the negative consequences of lying.
Also, in my experience, blacks have much less of a sense of shame than non-blacks.
Anyway, none of this makes much difference in the normal course of events because the police are generally very skeptical of criminal complaints and always look for corroborating evidence. Like attorneys, the police know that a self-serving accusation without corroborating evidence is probably a lie.
The problem is that for years now, feminists have been pressuring the authorities to abandon their normal skepticism when claims of sexual assault are made.
So it's unsurprising that there are a lot of false rape accusations. Nor is it surprising that a lot of those accusations are made by blacks.
Posted by: sabril | October 22, 2009 at 06:15 PM
The circumstances surrounding this case are bizarre. I'm withholding any further judgment until more information becomes available. The woman in question is apparently retarded and was found with multiple stab wounds according to some reports. At least one report describes a neighbor as having contacted authorities after seeing a black woman chained up outside the place from which she was recovered. The convicted individuals certainly sound sleazy and prone to criminality.
Then again, given the piss-poor record of the media in reporting elementary facts on criminal cases like this one, I would wait until we have a clearer picture of what exactly the woman alleges happened.
Posted by: tommy | October 22, 2009 at 06:36 PM
Do the innocent people include a permanently angry, strong black man with a penchant for gold necklaces, a suave smooth-talking white guy, a completely bonkers dude who can fly helicopters and an older guy who is a gifted planner and cigar aficionado?
Posted by: Anon | October 22, 2009 at 08:51 PM
"Perhaps, but you would think that being charged with such a heinous crime at least one of them, if not all, would not go down without kicking and screaming."
You put an unsophisticated person in a room for hours, place them in a position where they'll go down 'cause there friend is ratting on them, at least that's what the cops say, there you go...
Posted by: Another Engineer | October 22, 2009 at 09:32 PM
HS: two cases is a trend?
In any case the white in black rate rape is probably very low to non existant given the ok Cupid blo post on how desperate black women are, particularly for white males. Plus, how many white guys at crazy enough to rape some black dude's sister/mom/daughter...
Posted by: Aa | October 22, 2009 at 09:35 PM
This woman apparently got some threatening phone calls. So considering that she's feeble minded and no longer has a strong willed mother around to set her straight, I think she's exaggerating again.
Posted by: Zeenon | October 22, 2009 at 10:53 PM
"In any case the white in black rate rape is probably very low to non existant given the ok Cupid blo post on how desperate black women are, particularly for white males. Plus, how many white guys at crazy enough to rape some black dude's sister/mom/daughter..."
Or maybe it's just that white men find black women to be sexually unappealing. Generally speaking, of course.
Posted by: sabril | October 22, 2009 at 11:18 PM
>you would think that being charged with such a heinous crime at least one of them, if not all, would not go down without kicking and screaming<
Ever heard of the Moscow Show Trials?
Posted by: Kudzu Bob | October 23, 2009 at 12:27 AM
This is why parents work hard in the rat race so they can send their kids to a good public or private school in an expensive neighborhood.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvfEhwXFsjk
Posted by: Tyler H | October 23, 2009 at 02:47 AM
Sabril,
All of what you said is conjecture. That blacks have more of a "tendency to lie" just sounds like utter nonsense. In your "experience", your experience is anecdotal, so its validity as proof of anything stereotypically "black-related" is question. Just because one lies about a crime doesn't even mean that one is a pathological liar. It seems case-by-case.
Posted by: Keile | October 23, 2009 at 08:10 PM
"I think I recall David Duke saying in an NPR interview that in a year 28 white men raped black women, but tens of thousands of black men raped white women.
NPR tabs didn't have enough time to confirm or deny the statistic."
Actually, less than ten white men rape black women.
http://hbdbooks.com/2009/09/collective-guilt-for-some/
Leftists are scum. The stats can be confirmed in 30 seconds.
The Duke interview is amazing, BTW. It's linked to in the link above.
Posted by: Richard Hoste www.hbdbooks.com | October 23, 2009 at 09:34 PM
"In your 'experience', your experience is anecdotal, so its validity as proof of anything stereotypically 'black-related' is question. "
That's basically correct. Nevertheless, all of the anecdotal observations I have made about blacks have been confirmed by objective evidence when that evidence is available. For example, that they are less intelligent than whites; that they are worse about paying their bills; and that they are more prone to committing crime.
So I would not be surprised at all if my observation about dishonesty turned out to be true too.
Anyway, I suspect the only reason you are objecting to my observation is because it deals with the hot-button issue of race. If a dog breeder were to post here that in his experience, Labrador Retrievers are friendlier than Irish Setters, I doubt anyone would hostily respond with the "anecdote" argument.
I think that when issues become controversial, it's because there is an uncomfortable truth lurking around which people have a hard time confronting. In this case, the problem is that black people are more disruptive of other peoples' rights, at a personal level, than non-blacks.
Everybody knows this, but for many people it's extremely troubling to confront.
Posted by: sabril | October 24, 2009 at 03:13 PM
Excellent, sabril.
Blacks have lower IQ ----> blacks don't think about the future -----> blacks don't think about evidence that might emerge to contradict their lies ------> blacks lie more than other races. Perfectly reasoned!
Posted by: xxxx | October 25, 2009 at 02:49 AM
Of course blacks are more dishonest. Ever hear of Finnish email scams? Then maybe you've heard of Nigerian email scams. One of those countries is black. Guess which one.
[HS: The white man's racist policies impoverished the nations of Africa, forcing their residents to earn a living by scamming those who wronged them in the first place.]
Posted by: rob | October 25, 2009 at 10:34 AM
Tawana Brawley
Anita Hill
Crystal Gail Mangum
Danmell Ndonye
And, now, Megan Williams. Do I see a pattern here? They’re all black females lying about sexual assault or harrassment. It doesn’t matter the race of the pepetrator.
So, guys, stay away from black females if you value your reputation.
Posted by: renee | October 30, 2009 at 08:00 PM