More on the Google Blogger blog censorship

Dennis Mangan writes:

Half Sigma, thanks for writing about this, and everyone else, thanks for your support. At this point, I still don't know what happened. When I try to sign into my account, I get this:

" Account temporarily disabled We apologize for the inconvenience. Accounts may be disabled because of a perceived violation of either the Google Terms of Service or product-specific Terms of Service. Learn more"

There's a contact form which one can submit, which I did, but as a correspondent of mine pointed out, this is very Orwellian: Google gives you no notice of any violation before deletion and then won't tell you what the violation was. Some here have pointed out that other blogspot blogs are much "worse" in terms of content, but my guess is that someone complained. Google will probably leave you alone if you don't come to their attention, but if someone complains, especially some protected minority, then it seems they'll delete you. Correspondents of mine have speculated on what the violation was, suggesting something about Muslims, marijuana, or race. A good candidate, IMO, is Peter Duesberg, HIV, and the journal Medical Hypotheses, whose opponents are trying to shut down; they are on record as saying that Duesberg should be silenced. But that's conjecture at this point.

This all happened when I was at work yesterday, so I haven't had time yet to find out more or decide on a further course of action.

I’m pretty sure that Google isn’t going to give him an exact reason for why the blog was deleted. There’s no legal or public relations benefit to Google for doing so. Google generally doesn't give any support for the company's free products.

Each Blogger-hosted blog has a link which reads “Report Abuse.” You then get a form with the following categories:

* Defamation/Libel/Slander (Learn more.)
* Copyright/Piracy issues
* Spam (Learn more.)
* Nudity (Learn more.)
* Hate or violence (Learn more.)
* Impersonation
* Someone is posting my private information
* I think someone else is using my account

Someone probably selected the “Hate or violence” option. The “Learn more” link brings you to the following explanation :

Is hateful material permitted on Blogger?

Blogger strongly believes in freedom of speech. We believe that having a variety of perspectives is an important part of what makes blogs such an exciting and diverse medium. With that said, there are certain types of content that are not allowed on Blogger. While Blogger values and safeguards political and social commentary, material that promotes hatred toward groups based on race or ethnic origin, religion, disability, gender, age, veteran status, or sexual orientation/gender identity is not allowed on Blogger.

No doubt, honest talk about racial difference is classified as “hate” and the result is deletion of the blog.

* * *

I would suggest that Dennis switch over to Typepad. There’s no link on top of your blog making it easy for people to report you. In the few cases in which Typepad has enacted censorship, it has been done on individual blog posts, and they inform the blog author what the problem was. There has been no case I know of in which Typepad has deleted an entire blog without warning, something which Google routinely does. I guess you get what you pay for.

You should also register your own domain name, so if your blogging service is turned off, you still own the domain and can host the same domain name somewhere else.

Steve Sailer should heed this advice as well.

Comments

[p]

any chance this relates to Obama operatives still mad at the correct depiction of FLOTUS as an unattractive lower primate?

[Shawn]

I would also add that when you do a Google Image search for George Bush monkey you get a lot of hits for, well, Bush as a monkey.

http://images.google.com/images?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&um=1&q=george+bush+monkey+&start=0

Note that when doing the above search, SafeSearch is on "moderate" (the default setting). Even when the SafeSearch is switched to "strict," similar images are displayed.

Now do a search for Michelle Obama monkey under the "moderate" SafeSearch method. No monkey pics. Google censored them. You actually have to turn the SafeSearch off to set some.

Now for those wondering where the controversial picture is, here is the link: http://www.flystylelife.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/michelle-obama-ape.jpg

Sometimes where there is the most pain there is a grain of truth. But even George Bush looked like a monkey in some ways, but it is clear there is a double standard. For when calling a Black a monkey one is supposedly slandering a race, not a person. But that just means only non-Blacks can be compared to monkeys, something I am uncomfortable with.

[eh]

FWIW I had more or less the same experience with Hotmail once: poof!, my account was gone. And with it lots of saved emails, contacts, etc. I asked, but no explanation was ever offered. Infuriating. I asked one person to whom I'd sent an (let's say) intemperate email, but this person claimed ignorance. Who knows. Then just for the heck of it I try to log-in again about four months: voila!, my account is active again. But empty of emails and contacts.

So it can happen to your email account too; all it takes is one complaint.

[Mr. F]

"No doubt, honest talk about racial difference is classified as “hate” and the result is deletion of the blog. "

No one said anything about the talk.

"... material that promotes hatred ..."

The problem here is what said talk promotes.

Turn off comment moderation for a week or two so your readers can see what I mean.

[Henceforth Danforth]

Avoid the "free" blog services that come with Nanny-like oversight. Just purchase a domain with web hosting, not very expensive nowadays, and install/run your own blog (using Wordpress or the like). It's not that difficult, and you avoid having to worry about the PC police blocking your views.

[Stopped Clock]

Steve has iSteve.com (people haven't forgotten that already, have they?) which (I believe) ran a piece of software he wrote himself (or at least I havent seen it anywhere else) and was entirely self-contained (in the sense of not depending on any "hosting" service) and couldn't be deleted by anyone but Steve himself (I apologize for using so many parentheses in this post).

[Hesperado]

I had a strange experience with my blog (a blog on Blogspot). About a year ago, I published a long essay about Obama's problems with his radical Leftist and Islam-apologist associations. A couple of weeks later, my essay received a comment written by James Yee, a Muslim chaplain who ran into some controversy with regard to his work in Guantanamo. He didn't write much of substance, just expressed some vaguely bland bromide about "diversity" and avoiding "bigotry". I responded to him briefly.

I hadn't checked that particular essay in many months, but when I checked a couple of weeks ago, the comment by James Yee had vanished without a trace. Only the blog owner can delete comments, and I never deleted his comment. The only explanation, it seems, is that Google went in and deleted his comment -- probably for him and for Obama (as James Yee was a delegate for Obama from Washington State). I can't imagine why they would want to do that, as Yee's comment didn't really have that much content.

[OneSTDV]

I just don't think it's HBD related (Scienceblogs hosts GNXP which involves HBD related stuff, though not in the same manner that other HBD sites discuss it). If so, Sailer would have been deleted a long time ago. I imagine it's probably too explicitly pro-white and this is especially true of some commenters.

@ Stopped Clock:

isteve.com hasn't been updated in about 4 years and it's absolutely hideous to look at.

Other than new readers of Steve, I doubt anyone actually goes there (when I first discovered Steve I did devour all his articles on iSteve.com first).

[Stopped Clock]

Well, the original author can also delete their comments, but it would leave a "This post has been removed by the author." notice.

[Yawner]

Mencius better back up and switch, too.

Now Shawn, it's not racist to depict white folks as monkeys!

[Turambar]

"While Blogger values and safeguards political and social commentary, material that promotes hatred toward groups based on race or ethnic origin, religion, disability, gender, age, veteran status, or sexual orientation/gender identity is not allowed on Blogger. "

Fortunately I can still start my planned anti-vegatarian site.

[JGP]

Outside of HS this doesn't seem to be getting much coverage in the blogosphere. If it is censorship then I think this is pretty serious. Who are Dennis's allies? I'm going to drop a few posts around to make sure people are aware.

JGP

[MK]

Irish Savant's blog has a content warning after people complained, but they didnt' delete it. Robert Lindsay had a similar problem & switched to wordpress.

https://www.blogger.com/blogin.g?blogspotURL=http%3A%2F%2Firishsavant.blogspot.com%2F

[mike]

Blogspot censored Robert Lindsay's race science blog a while back. He moved to wordpress, and is as crazy as ever.

[Muff]

Good call, Shawn. In addition, try looking up "Condi Rice Mammy" or "Condi Rice Prissy" on the strict setting. A racist picture depicting Condi Rice like Prissy from "Gone with the Wind" shows up.

[Hesperado]

I meant to add that, Stopped Clock. The Yee comment vanished without a trace, which only the blow owner can effect.

[Felicie]

The very existence of the "hate" category is an amazing thing in itself. It is illegal to hate, that is to say an emotion is criminalized. This is truly Orwellian - not even a thought control, but a feeling control.

[anon (kindred spirit)]

I assume you can find plenty of overtly anti-white blogs hosted by Google (e.g. Nation of Islam fanatics, ethnic studies true believers, etc.). Surely Google is applying the same standard to them, no?

I think this could be a good project for someone to find said sites that are "worse" than the "pro-white" one removed, and report them to Google with the proper contextual background.

This PC censorship is some scary stuff. Truth is no longer a defense. Let's have more media frenzies on fake rape accusations against white oppressors, while ignoring that black on white rape is about a THOUSAND times more prevalent (check government statistics). Good luck to the future of America.

[Rick Darby]

(Comment posted previously, but I didn't realize it was at the end of an old entry and unlikely to be read.)

It's looking like this is not just a technical problem, but the Google boot.

Dennis, I will be posting about your blog's takedown at Reflecting Light. This must not pass unnoticed in the blog world (the mainstream media won't care, obviously).

One important thing the Resistance could do would be to maintain a "safe house" server where the contents would not be subject to arbitrary deletion. I would contribute to setting one up and pay a small administrative fee if I could transfer my blog to it.

I'm nervous, since I use Blogger as well, and would hate to see all my posts disappear without notice. But it's what I have to work with at the moment.

It's turning chilly.

[David Alexander]

I think that eventually, those who promote HBD in the public sphere are going to have to realize that their message is dismissed as "racist" because in effect, it basically dismissed the ability of the average black (and Hispanic) person to do anything. I think those in the HBD community are going to have to accept that their views will remain in the minority at best, and that hosting on privately owned servers is going to be the only way to accept some degree of editorial control over content. Even if Google basically drops HBD content from Blogspot and its searches, the HBD community will probably remain extant via alternative means.

*Truth is no longer a defense.*

We only want "truth" that makes us feel "better". Believing in the alchemy of the ability to save black people makes certain people feel better at night when they sleep instead of leaving immense guilt wondering about what would become of their lives if their IQ was to drop by 40 points. Admittedly, there is a part of me that wonders why the HBD believers were shocked about the lack of acceptance of their viewpoints. Even if scientifically proven, when your idea basically imply that a segment of people are "inferior" to another group, especially if said group has been a traditionally poorer disenfranchised group, it's obvious that that you will be tarred and feathered for stating your claims.

[OneSTDV]

@ DA:

You do realize HBD also says that tons of white people are "inferior" as well.

But I guess such a view is politically and socially acceptable, while anything that "denigrates" NAMs is not.

[David Alexander]

@ OneSDTV

While the average white person per HBD theory is superior to the average black person, HBD does destroy the egalitarian notion that anybody can succeed with enough hard work and determination. Thus, the average white person isn't going to see their kids go to Harvard or even complete college, and as you noted, there's a chunk of the white community that's going to suffer the same miserable fate as their black and Hispanic colleagues.

[Simon]

James Yee most likely scrubbed his online presence when he was being considered for a high profile position. Most sites are fairly accommodating if you ask to have your own posts removed.

Similarly, Tony Snow (RIP) had Free Republic nuke his entire history when he became press secretary:

http://www.archive.org/details/TonySnowonFreeRepublic.com

[TinyNetbook]

DA is right.

To publicly declare for atheism is also a minority position, since it is more comforting to most to believe the lie. Who doesn't want to live forever and have a Father in the sky to give your life a higher purpose?

However, in the actions of the great masses, you can see they don't truly believe what they claim; if there are no atheists in foxholes, there are no believers in hospitals, because most would give anything just to live an extra week longer (why fight the inevitable when paradise awaits and everyone you love will be there soon enough?).

Likewise, SWPLers live far away from the NAMs...while pretending to believe that everyone is exactly the same and that diversity is more important than anything else.

[HS: To play devil's advocate, the SWPLs believe that NAMs are the way they are because evil Republicans failed to spend enough money on social welfare programs to allow them to become civilized like SWPLs.]

[David Alexander]

*To play devil's advocate*

The SWPLs aren't stupid. They're well aware that NAM neighbourhoods are generally undesirable, hence their desire to fix those neighbourhoods (and their residents) via the apparatus of SWPL social work institutions. The SWPL don't freak out about "oreo" moving into their locale, and your average SWPL would kill to have him as a friend and potentially use him as a badge of honor as proof of one's alchemy skills.

As a side point, the SWPL belief in the ability to save NAMs and turn them into dark-skinned SWPLs leads to the inverse, the hatred of the prole classes due to their inability to use their presumed equal talents and abilities to become fellow SWPLs. Thus, while racism keeps NAMs from becoming SWPLs, laziness is what prevents whites from fulfilling the proper path and becoming SWPLs.

[HS: Yes, this explains liberal SWPL thinking perfectly.]

[May]

I assumed that Mangan's blog was deleted voluntarily.

Dennis, if you happen to read this comment, please contact me.

[j]

It is not Google that censures. It is people who denounces the blogger as offensive, then Google - without assuming the role of a judge of what is offensive or not - takes the golden middle course and punishes the offender. The consequence is a general blandness of the media and the blogs, and a concentration on unoffensive subjects like cooking, sports, spiritualism, astrology, etc. The favorite subject used to be the weather, much loved by English gentlemen, but now even that is a politically charged subject and a capital sin. And lately Dennis used to write much about the weather. I think "Do you want another wonderful cup of tea?" is still safe.

[Zimriel]

I have posted about this outrage on "House Of David", and told some of the people around the LGF refugee community (no strangers to getting banned and censored).

[Jaz]

Before anyone runs off and signs up with a web hosting service, read their terms of service. Here, for example, is one highly rated hosting service; in the Terms of Service lurks the poison pill:

http://www.hostgator.com/tos.shtml

"Examples of unacceptable material on all Shared and Reseller servers include:

"Hateful/Racist/Harassment oriented sites"

If someone doesn't like your site because it's "hateful" or "racist" (aka HBD), then your own hosting service may want to purge you.

Blogger has the same thing. Wordpress, though, doesn't. The point is, read the Terms of Service.

[Jack Yan]

In one case I’m involved in, Google not only deleted the blog, but ignores all evidence (in fact, evidence it asked for) provided. Here’s the support forum thread:

http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/blogger/thread?tid=14d96e6088345650&hl=en

You can see I’ve been remarkably patient, and the original last post (from me) was the actual code from the deleted blog (recovered from a Yahoo! cache which, as I predicted, no longer exists). The code was quickly deleted from the discussion thread, as if to say: this doesn’t fit in with our delusion that your blog was correctly deleted.

The Social Media Consortium blog covered pretty innocent subjects, written by a multiracial group of people. They centred around LinkedIn, Facebook and business networking. Sometimes we exposed a few truths about these businesses, but we certainly weren’t a major news source. All content was original, apart from a handful of cross-posts. From memory, none targeted Google, so it’s a mystery what triggered the deletion.

We began going through the Google–Blogspot forms in July, which promised us a review ‘two business days’. It’s been nearly two quarters since then, and the form was resubmitted numerous times in August.

If we have been going through the “correct procedures” for five months, then Dennis will need to hold his breath. He certainly needs to grab as many Google cached pages as possible, because I don’t think they are going to restore his blog in a hurry.