SWPL and the ghetto meet at Prospect Park

A SWPL woman in the southeastern area of Prospect Park. Behind her, a boarded up building in the ghetto.

In order to appreciate her uber-SWPLness, I present a crop. Yes, that’s an iPhone she’s talking into.

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DaveInHackensack writes: “That's also an ~$800 stroller she's got there.”

Christian Lander missed that one. Expensive baby strollers and baby carriages should have been on the list of stuff that white people like.

UPDATE: It has come to my attention that "Expensive Strollers" is #135 in the book. Christian Lander didn't forget this, he just wants us to pay money to read his wisdom.

Comments

[DaveinHackensack]

That's also an ~$800 stroller she's got there.

[Peter]

What street is that building on, Ocean or Parkside? Neither one is really a ghetto street.

I must say that a boarded-up building is an unusual sight in the city. Could it have been damaged in a fire?

[The Asian of Reason]

Eh, do SWPLs usually have 2 kids? Doesn't look like much of a ghetto. Come to Baltimore.

[dbp]

Ugh. What is it with SWPL and carrying their children in the front?

A back pack is far more comfortable and keeps your arms free.

Also, we always used the smallest umbrella strollers we could find. They fold-up into a very small size and are much easier to throw into a car or bring into the subway.

[dearieme]

And she's just the nanny.

[HS: She's not the nanny. She's too white.]

[josh]

"Eh, do SWPLs usually have 2 kids"

Yes. Two is the preferred number for SWPLs. Roughly two years apart.

[Foseti]

It's a $400 stroller: http://www.amazon.com/BOB-ST0755-Revolution-Stroller-Black/dp/B0011XSWUA/

[PA]

Expensive strollers and related things are something new parents often buy via Craigslist from parents of kids who outgrew those, for a much lower price.

Of course, CL is a very SWPL thing too.

[GMR]

Expensive Strollers is #135 in the book.

[JP]

"Ugh. What is it with SWPL and carrying their children in the front? A back pack is far more comfortable and keeps your arms free."

I found that the Bjorn was more comfortable than the backpack, and it was MUCH easier to get the kid in and out of the Bjorn than the backpack. One person can get the kid in and out of the Bjorn with no problem, because the kid is already right there in your arms and all you have to do is buckle or unbuckle them, but with the backpack it is more of a two-person operation (unless you're OK with the risk of dropping the kid). My arms were just as free when the kid was in front as when they were in the backpack. The backpack also raised the concern of me bashing the kid's head (which was higher than mine) into things like low-hanging tree branches.

All in all, I thought the Bjorn beat the backpack hands-down.

[nothing]

Does she or her husband transfer wealth for a living?

[Peter A]

What about the unflattering green pants that make her ass look huge? Is that a SWPL thing too?

[Carol]

Heh, disdain for SWPL-y stuff by HBDers.

[ice hole]

[HS: She's not the nanny. She's too white.]

Eastern European. And doing Dad while the Mom's at yoga class. (Just kidding, of course, she's not nearly young or shapely enough to be an Eastern European nanny.)

[sabril]

SWPL though she may be, at least she is doing her part to propogate European blood.

[Peter]

Hey Siggy,

It pains me to say this, but the other day I experienced a major dose of status-envy. I'm not proud of it, but it happened, and I can't pretend it didn't.

While heading to a sales call I made a wrong turn and found myself in a rich peoples' neighborhood (http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=40.937734,-72.97883&spn=0.00697,0.018572&t=h&z=17). I'm surprised it wasn't a gated community. Massive houses that seemed maybe three or four years old, undoubtedly sold for a million-plus when built and even in today's market they're probably fetching at least $750K. All I could think of is **why them and not me?**

Am I turning into another you?

[Peter]

"Just kidding, of course, she's not nearly young or shapely enough to be an Eastern European nanny."

Not all Eastern European women are 22-year-old 9's and 10's. I wouldn't completely discount the nanny theory.

Also, are the two children far apart enough in age to be siblings? What I'm thinking is that maybe the woman is a nanny or babysitter that cares for two children from different families.* That's not a completely unheard-of arrangement, as not every family can afford a nanny of their own. It also is entirely possible that "shared" nannies may tend to be older and less hot than "exclusive" nannies.

* = not to mention a dog

[Anon]

SWPL though she may be, at least she is doing her part to propogate European blood.

Posted by: sabril | October 27, 2010 at 01:34 PM

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Sabril, aren't you Jewish?

[Gina]

Josh,

"Roughly two years apart."

Only two years apart? That's too closely spaced. Half, isn't having closely spaced children a sign of proleness? And it gives you only about a year to breastfeed the first one!

[HS: Because SWPLs wait until their 30s to have children, so they need to have the 2nd one fast because their biological clock is ticking.]

[Patrick]

From your tone, Halfsigma, one would think you've caught this woman in some sort of crime.

Is the sight of a person using an expensive smartphone really that noteworthy to you?

And aren't you copping to SWPLism yourself by toting your expensive digital camera around the park, looking for artful scenes to frame?

Seriously, get something new to gripe about. Your credibility was suspect at best, but now you're just coming off as envious and creepy, over completely inconsequential things.

[dbp]

@JP

Our backpack had flip-out legs so it could stand on its own. So, you just load the kid up and swing them onto your shoulders. If I was a woman and if our kids had been large, I could see this being a problem. My wife could use the backpack okay and she is of average size and strength, though our kids were tiny.

The kid's head was about at the same height as mine and they could see where we were going or sleep comfortably.

[Proleishplumber]

It was an interesting cultural change when children in prams stopped facing their mother and started facing outwards instead. Quite apart from face-contact with the mother, surely it is better to face inwards from a safety point of view, in case dogs jump up and stuff?

[John]

I'll put in a good work for expensive strollers. They are:

1) easier to push--often you have to walk alongside or way behind a cheap stroller instead of walking normally

2) big enough to fit 2 kids

3) safer--kids can be strapped in more snugly

4) more comfortable for the kid

5) longer lasting

[HS: I would probably buy an expensive stroller if I had a kid. If you have to use it every day, you may as well go for a better one, just for reason #1.]

[Sheila Tone]

You can't run or go off-road with am umbrella stroller. You need a jogger stroller. And it was probably a gift.

What makes her SWPL, rather than just a mom? Wouldn't a SWPL have a nanny to watch the baby and toddler while she makes a phone call and works out? It's commoners like myself who have to strap the smaller child to our body and the larger child into a wheeled conveyance so we can make a phone call without them grabbing the phone and razzing into it.

[HS: Sunday is the nanny's day off.]

[Sheila Tone]

The kids are hers. They looks like her, and she's got mom pudge. The jogger stroller kid could be as old as 3, and the baby in the Bjorn is under 3 months, because she's turned facing inward.

[josh]

HS is correct. Also, SWPLs don't want to have only children, and want to get the parenting 'out of the way' so that they can get to all that traveling they are going to do.

Also, it would be prole if they kept popping them out. Two little ones is a sign of careful planning. 3 or 4 is for Cletus.

[sabril]

"Sabril, aren't you Jewish?"

Yes 100%. So what?

1. Whether or not you consider us to be "White," the vast majority of Jews in the US (and indeed the majority of Jews everywhere) are European. Indeed, the word "Ashkenazi" simply means Germany.

2. I don't want White Gentiles to disappear since they can and do contribute a lot to the betterment of humanity, especially whites of Allemanic descent.

[sestamibi]

Sabril, culturally that may be true, but genetically we are indistinguishable from the Middle Eastern Muslim vermin with whom we share common ancestry. An unpleasant truth, but we need to own up to it.

[not too late]

"Sabril, culturally that may be true, but genetically we are indistinguishable from the Middle Eastern Muslim vermin with whom we share common ancestry. An unpleasant truth, but we need to own up to it."

Is that really true? I thought there were mass conversions to Judaism in East Europe/far west Asia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazars

Later more and more moved north and west. I assume intermarrying at least somewhat.

[sabril]

"but genetically we are indistinguishable from the Middle Eastern Muslim vermin with whom we share common ancestry. "

I'm not an expert on this, but just looking at things superficially, Ashkenazi Jews seem to have a lot of European features compared to Middle Eastern Muslim types. My impression is that Ashkenazi Jews are a lot more likely to have lighter skin, blond or red hair, blue or green eyes, and so on.

Do you have any cites/links/quotes?

[NAM Lurker]

Re Ashkenazi origins:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC18733/?tool=pmcentrez

From Abstract: "Despite their long-term residence in different countries and isolation from one another, most Jewish populations were not significantly different from one another at the genetic level. Admixture estimates suggested low levels of European Y-chromosome gene flow into Ashkenazi and Roman Jewish communities. A multidimensional scaling plot placed six of the seven Jewish populations in a relatively tight cluster that was interspersed with Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations, including Palestinians and Syrians. Pairwise differentiation tests further indicated that these Jewish and Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations were not statistically different. The results support the hypothesis that the paternal gene pools of Jewish communities from Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East descended from a common Middle Eastern ancestral population, and suggest that most Jewish communities have remained relatively isolated from neighboring non-Jewish communities during and after the Diaspora."

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http://www.familytreedna.com/pdf/43026_Doron.pdf

From Abstract: "Both the extent and location of the maternal ancestral deme from which the Ashkenazi Jewry arose remain obscure. Here, using complete sequences of the maternally inherited mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA), we show that close to
one-half of Ashkenazi Jews, estimated at 8,000,000 people, can be traced back to only 4 women carrying distinct mtDNAs that are virtually absent in other populations, with the important exception of low frequencies among non-Ashkenazi Jews. We conclude that four founding mtDNAs, likely of Near Eastern ancestry, underwent major expansion(s) in Europe within the past millennium."

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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1274378/

From Abstract: "The investigation of the genetic relationship among three Jewish communities revealed that Kurdish and Sephardic Jews were indistinguishable from one another, whereas both differed slightly, yet significantly, from Ashkenazi Jews. The differences among Ashkenazim may be a result of low-level gene flow from European populations and/or genetic drift during isolation. Admixture between Kurdish Jews and their former Muslim host population in Kurdistan appeared to be negligible. In comparison with data available from other relevant populations in the region, Jews were found to be more closely related to groups in the north of the Fertile Crescent (Kurds, Turks, and Armenians) than to their Arab neighbors. The two haplogroups Eu 9 and Eu 10 constitute a major part of the Y chromosome pool in the analyzed sample. Our data suggest that Eu 9 originated in the northern part, and Eu 10 in the southern part of the Fertile Crescent. Genetic dating yielded estimates of the expansion of both haplogroups that cover the Neolithic period in the region."

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http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/10/science/10jews.html

From Article: "Ashkenazic and Sephardic Jews have roughly 30 percent European ancestry, with most of the rest from the Middle East, the two surveys find. The two communities seem very similar to each other genetically, which is unexpected because they have been separated for so long."

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If these results are correct, Ashkenazim are most closely related to (1) other Jews, (2) Mesopotamian (Northern) Middle Easterners, then (3) Arabs and other Middle Easterners, and then (4) non-Jewish European populations. Again, assuming that the data reflect the findings.

[NAM Lurker]

"Again, assuming that the data reflect the findings."

Or rather, that the conclusions reflect the findings.

[sabril]

Thank you for the post NAM lurker. I am surprised to learn how little European blood the Ashkenazim have. Thirty percent is not nothing, but still.

[sabril]

P.S. I did my own search and the first article I hit was this one:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/08/100826141331.htm

Which claims that Ashkenazim are between 35 and 55 percent European descent. That sounds more correct to me, just based on general observation. For the most part, Ashkenazi Jews don't look very different from other European groups.

[Mick]

You may have stumbled into a promising area of social photo commentary: Urban SWPLs and NAMs in their respective habitats, especially where they border and intrude on each other turf.

Modern urban barbarians and pretentious, self-important, preening self-anointed elite.

You definitely have something here.

[josh]

Everything seems to be about Jews these days. I believe in Before the Dawn it said that Ashkenazim had Euro female ancestry and middle eastern male ancestry. Merchants married European women. Maybe a bit like Sailer's theory of Latin American men preferring blondes.

[Melykin]

A few comments:

1. The dog doesn't seem to be of any particular breed. It is probably a rescue. It is very SWPL to have a rescued dog. Someone has to give a home to the dogs that the certain proles and NAMs breed irresponsibly.

2. You can get pregnant while nursing a baby, especially after the first year. Some mothers nurse through pregnancy and tandem nurse both afterwards.

3. She probably isn't tandem nursing. If she was, she wouldn't be using that crotch-dangler type of baby carrier. She would be using one of the more traditional baby wraps:
http://www.sleepywrap.com/

4. She is not even remotely "pudgy". You people are crazy.

[sestamibi]

Wow! Thanks NAM Lurker for the thorough job. I was going to say only that I once read it in an article in Commentary called "Jewish Genetics" years ago.

[sabril]

"Everything seems to be about Jews these days. I believe in Before the Dawn it said that Ashkenazim had Euro female ancestry and middle eastern male ancestry. Merchants married European women. Maybe a bit like Sailer's theory of Latin American men preferring blondes."

Well, during the Middle Ages, probably if a Jewish girl married a Christian, she could and would leave the Jewish ghetto and join her Christian family.

In other words, even if intermarriage went equally both ways, it would still make sense for todays' Ashkenazim to have more European blood on the distaff side.

[NAM Lurker]

sabril,

Between (1) selection for "Blonde" (my short-hand for the purposes of this discussion for Europeans who don't look "stereotypically Jewish") mates from outside the Jewish population (josh's hypothesis), (2) selection for "Blonde" traits within the Jewish population (cf. the premium for light-skinned Black women in the Black community), (3) the fact that many Middle Eastern persons, especially from the Fertile Crescent (i.e., those who are closest genetically to Jews), look "White" even without much European admixture, and (4) the fact that at least part of the difference in appearance between Middle Easterners and Europeans is just tanning (http://tinyurl.com/27nrtkp , http://tinyurl.com/mwx4q7 ), while the 35-55% may be correct, it doesn't need to be correct to explain why Ashkenazim look like other White Europeans.

Also consider these cases:

http://tinyurl.com/2ugayax
http://tinyurl.com/2u8vrle (especially the bottom photo)

One of the "Black" (at least 50% White) daughters from the first story could marry the "Black" (at least 75% White) son from the second story and have kids that look 100% Black but are 62.5-75% Northern European. Given that Middle Easterners and Europeans are more closely related than Europeans and Sub-saharan Africans, it would require a far less convoluted scenario for 65-75% Middle Eastern Ashkenazim to blend in with other Europeans.

[Gina]

Anon,

Why is it so shocking that a Jew would want the propogation of Europeans?

[Melykin]

What is more important that how Ashkenazi Jews look is how they act. They act like other westerners. That is their culture.

[Fred]

NAM Lurker:

"(4) the fact that at least part of the difference in appearance between Middle Easterners and Europeans is just tanning (http://tinyurl.com/27nrtkp , http://tinyurl.com/mwx4q7 ), while the 35-55% may be correct, it doesn't need to be correct to explain why Ashkenazim look like other White Europeans."

Whoever put that photo spread together is a fool for thinking "Saudi Arabia" is representative of Middle Eastern. The Saudi soccer team was mostly made up of full-blooded blacks. Saudi Arabia has a large black African servant population.

Melykin:

"What is more important that how Ashkenazi Jews look is how they act. They act like other westerners. That is their culture."

Kevin MacDonald, and the non-Kosher wing of HBD would disagree.

[nebbish]

It is notable that the more recent Jewish population genetics studies show more European admixture than the earlier studies based on uniparental markers. The autosomal methods survey many more loci across a much larger portion of the genome, and therefore, I would argue that they are more likely to give a better approximation of the true state of admixture than uniparental marker studies. However, uniparental markers are more useful genealogically since they allow the tracing of pure patrilines and matrilines, which happen to represent only a tiny fraction of any individual's genome.

Based on calculated interpopulation genetic distances and ancestral components pulled out by ADMIXTURE analyses (e.g. represented in the multi-color bar charts that Dienekes has been posting a lot of recently at http://dienekes.blogspot.com), it could be inferred that the original ancestors of the European Jewish population originated in the Middle East and subsequently experienced European admixture primarily from South/Southeastern European sources. This, in turn, would suggest that the admixture occurred a long time ago, when the ancestors of the European Jews were more concentrated around the Mediterranean (Hellenistic and Roman periods before Christianity became the state religion of the Roman Empire). The specific source populations of the admixture and their exact proportions, however, can't be determined with certainty from these analyses. It is very clear, though, that some admixture occurred when you look at Dienekes' Ashkenazi Jewish bar graph and compare it even to Levantine populations. The Ashkenazim have signficantly more "South European" and "North European" components as well as much less East or West African than those populations.