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April 12, 2011

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While I think your thesis that Obama is pursuing a self-evidently anti-American foreign policy is interesting & has some merit, I don't think it's necessarily a purely anti-colonialist one -- or, if it is, he's not such a genius at putting it together. Libya is a major source of oil for France, which is why they took the lead on demanding military action back when it seemed like the rebels might actually oust Gadaffi: they didn't want the new power to think they were allied w/ the old power.

By providing the actual military might that France & Britain lacked to pursue their explicitly colonialist goals in Libya, Obama was certainly setting up bad incentives for dictatorships (never, ever make peace w/ the US or voluntarily give up your WMDs b/c you will then be attacked at the first opportunity) and attacking those less dangerous & unfriendly to us while giving free pass to those who are more unfriendly & dangerous but he was most certainly not pursuing anything like a rational anti-colonialist policy.

So anti-American, yes, secret genius anti-colonialist foreign policy maven, no.

"they didn't want the new power to think they were allied w/ the old power."

I disagree with this. It's easy enough to just stay neutral. The winner will be happy take dollars or euros in exchange for the black sludge under his deserts.

This analysis assumes Obama HAS a foreign policy philosophy.

If he was any other president (or serious candidate who had been in Congress), we'd be looking up his voting record, not trying to divine the hidden meanings in Dreams from my Father.

"Rather, he secretly pursues an anti-colonialist foreign policy that few are smart enough to understand."

Then Dinesh D'Souza must be really smart for being the first to figure this out. Score one for Indian intelligence.

By the way, I think you have a good point HS but I would not go as far as you did. I agree that (1) deep down, Obama probably harbors feelings of hatred towards America and the West (and Jewish people too -- basically against anyone who is smart and successful); and (2) this informs his thinking, possibly without even him realizing it.

This mentality seems to be very common among Leftists. Possibly it's the defining feature of Leftist thinking.

"To the neo-colonialist, any undeveloped country which is friendly to the United States is only friendly because that country’s ruling elite are collaborating with the Americans to make themselves rich at the expense of the vast majority of the undeveloped country’s non-elite. The righteous countries are those which are anti-American."

This looks like the beginning of a straw man argument and I doubt that it represents the position of any typical person opposed to neocolonialism (who, by the way, in typical usage wouldn't be called neocolonialists, because that is the term used to describe people who engage in these practices, not those who recognize and oppose them).

The belief that past economic injustices should be rectified is hardly an 'anti-American' policy. It might be IF your proper view of the place of America is of a neocolonial empire, but unless there is a actual good justification for that that isn't going to help your case against the anti-colonialists.

The fact that some of these countries might be 'anti-American' in the sense of ethnic hatred or politicians using jingoism as a means for popularity is a separate issue, and they are issues we deal with in the western world too but to a lesser extent. Anti-colonialism does not offer a full solution to that problem, even if it pins some of that which is fueling populist hatred of us on our own practices.

What the hell is wrong with anti-coloniasm anyways?

Why waste trillions of dollars on a stupid overseas empire.

[HS: You are confusing traditional imperialism with the neocolonialism. Just buying oil from a foreign country is considered evil and colonialist because we are stealing their resources. A mutually beneficial win-win situation which doesn't cost us any money at all is neocolonialist.]

"Obama probably harbors feelings of hatred towards America and the West (and Jewish people too -- basically against anyone who is smart and successful);"

Then it must be really hard for Obama to tolerate having a cabinet of 85% Jews...

"I doubt that it represents the position of any typical person opposed to neocolonialism"

I would guess that it does, even if not laid out explicitly.

"The belief that past economic injustices should be rectified is hardly an 'anti-American' policy"

I would say it depends what you mean by "past economic injustices." To the Leftist, certain activities qualify as economic injustices and certain activities do not.

For example, if a Western company pays a few hundred dollars to a Mexican peasant in exchange for some seeds (the result of generations of selective breeding) which are then used to create a multi-million dollar product, Leftists will see this as an economic injustice.

On the other hand, if that same Mexican peasant pays $10 for a Western-developed vaccination so that his children can have permanent immunity to Rubella (arguably the best deal he will ever get in his life), Leftists will not see it as an economic injustice.

"Then it must be really hard for Obama to tolerate having a cabinet of 85% Jews"

Probably to some extent yes, although I would guess they are mostly Leftists like him which makes it easier.

[HS: There are "good" Jews (leftist Jews who whine about being victimized) and "bad" Jews (Israeli Jews who stand up for themselves, carry Uzis, and kick Muslim ass).]

Sabril said...

Obama probably harbors feelings of hatred towards America and the West (and Jewish people too

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Hates them so much that he just put one on the Supreme Court, chose the son of the militant Zionist as his Chief of Staff, chose yet another one to run his entire campaign, bailed out Goldman Sachs and faithfully sends military aid to Israel every month in return for nothing.

Take THAT Semites.

"faithfully sends military aid to Israel every month in return for nothing."

Probably if it were up to him, he would cut off aid to Israel but there is too much inertia behind it at this point.

"Hates them so much that he just put one on the Supreme Court"

Sure, why not? I'm not saying that Obama is a neo-Nazi, just that he harbors feelings of hatred towards certain groups and this informs his policy decisions.

Look, folks like Roosh obviously harbor hatred towards girls but it doesn't stop them from spending time with them. Because human beings are complex.

Heck, a lot of those elite Jews who run in Obama's circles probably have feelings of hatred towards Jews.

Good God, Half Sigma is an idiot!

This is all nonsense. All the evidence is that Obama is an ambitious and fairly mediocre man whose primary ambition is to stay in power, like most Presidents. He hasn't proposed one significant piece of legislation that is even left-wing (unless you think Romney's health care plan is left wing). His foreign policy has been pretty muddled - but the evidence suggests this is because Obama has no sincere beliefs and he gets tossed between the military, the more hawkish Hilary Clinton factions and the more traditional lefty Samantha Powers types. The Right is trying to create a bogeyman where none exists - Obama is really nothing that special - not a strong leader, nor trying to destroy the US. Seems to me this sort of paranoid rhetoric just alienates the more intelligent people on the right and helps Obama's re-elections chances.

"Hates them so much that he just put one on the Supreme Court, "

Why does it matter if he put a Jew on the Supreme Court if he was going to put a liberal on the Court no matter what?

Wouldn't a liberal gentile like, oh, John Paul Stevens vote for the exact same policies Elena Kagan will?

"bailed out Goldman Sachs"

Not everyone who works at Goldman is Jewish, so I don't see why you think bailing out a large bank must serve Jewish interests just because a lot of Jews work there.

"faithfully sends military aid to Israel every month"

Why do the White Nationalists and vdare slush funders support America giving military aid to South Korea and having a treaty to go against China to defend Taiwan but don't support giving aid to Israel?

It seems to me that America is obligated to defend Israel since our current foreign policy is to defend all of the first world democracies, either with indirect military and diplomatic support or direct military intervention.

"Posted by: Really?"

Btw, Christianity is a Jewish religion, so every time white Christians anywhere go to Church they are actually worshiping a JEWISH religion.

Just wanted to let you know that millions of white people are kissing Jewish ass every weekend.

Oh, and you are welcome that we, the Jews, gave you your savior and basically your entire post Roman moral system.

***Anti-colonialists believe that the United States is rich not because we were better at creating value, but because of evil deeds we did in the past which involved abusing and even enslaving indigenous peoples for the benefit of white Europeans.***

Indeed, that is spelt out here.

"So why all the excuses?

First, because part of their sense of self worth is built on being white and how whites are better than everyone else, particularly blacks. A view that does not stand up to an honest look at their past.

Second, because, as Edward Ball put it in “Slaves in the Family” (1998):

To live with the advantages of white skin in America is to benefit from the old slave system.

Thus the need to deny any benefit. Thus the need to morally excuse what is supposedly Ancient History."

http://abagond.wordpress.com/2011/04/07/current-arguments-about-slavery/

"Schwartzie, you can afford to think like that because you have never bothered to take the time and look into all the things that they have first taken from people who aren’t White."

http://abagond.wordpress.com/2011/04/06/i-do-not-write-this-blog-for-white-people/#comments

Leftists don't hate Jews. They hate American Christians.

Leftists define themselves by the fact that they are better than those pasty-white stupid born-agains. Because a lot of America is made up of such people, they hate America. And they try to bring in as many brown and black people as possible to counter the American Middle Class.

I have become convinced, after many years of living amongst them, that snobbery is the motivating factor for leftists.

@Sabril

Lol, Obama isn't "spending time" with Jews, he's made them a fundamental part of his life. If there's a Jew and a Goy competing for a sweet political position, this guy gives it to the Jewish dude every time. Sabril, Barry probably does harbor resentment of Anglos, but he doesn't see Jews as White (an accurate observation). I mean, this guy kissed the Wailing Wall while wearing a yarmulke. I don't get how much more brown nosing your people need.

@Undiscovered.

Calm down. I'm just pointing out that yet another Jewish person is ascending to the highest court of the land. How many White protestants does that leave again?

Goldman Sachs ensures that no son of the Tribe will ever be without a job.

As to the aid to Korea, Taiwan, etc. I'm sure if you ask most WNs, they'd favor cutting off aid to all non-White nations.

Btw. I'm not WN, and I do see the inconsistency of Christian WNs. Doesn't make sense to be an anti-Semite who worships a dead Rabbi.

"If there's a Jew and a Goy competing for a sweet political position, this guy gives it to the Jewish dude every time."

"I'm just pointing out that yet another Jewish person is ascending to the highest court of the land."

So what if there are liberal Jews on the Court instead of liberal WASPS (Obama wasn't going to put a conservative on the Court, so his choices were between liberal justices of various backgrounds)?

If liberal Jews, liberal Catholics and liberal WASPs all vote the same way on politically charged issues why does it matter if there are no liberal protestants on the Court?

You realize that Obama's WASP alternative to Elena Kagan, Judge Diane Wood (and who might replace a retiring Justice Ginsburg) is at least as liberal as Kagan is and would be no better than Kagan.

The White Niggers have never complained about liberal white Catholics such as William Brennan taking the spots of liberal WASPS and there were NO JEWS ON THE COURT FROM 1969-1994 WHEN MANY OF THE LIBERAL RULINGS ON RACE WERE MADE.

From 1969 to 1994 the court was dominated by LIBERAL WASPs, not Jews, and yet the Court still was liberal.

"If there's a Jew and a Goy competing for a sweet political position, this guy gives it to the Jewish dude every time."

Evidence? Examples?

"Sabril, Barry probably does harbor resentment of Anglos, but he doesn't see Jews as White"

He seems to sympathize more with the Muslims than he does with Israel.

"As to the aid to Korea, Taiwan, etc. I'm sure if you ask most WNs, they'd favor cutting off aid to all non-White nations."

I don't believe the white niggers care about isolationism or else they would talke MORE about cutting off aid to South Korea, Taiwan, and other countries where we have MORE resources invested than we do in Israel.

In fact we have invested almost NO resources in Israel compared to our other democratic allies. America has nuclear weapons deployed on the Korean peninsula to deter an invasion by North Korea an yet we don't maintain ANY troops in Israel to defend the Jews.

And yet all the white niggers talk about is how Israel is somehow a drain on American resources when in fact Israel is really requesting nothing more than indirect military support (weapons deals, training, intelligence sharing, cyberwar cooperation, etc) and vetoing anti-Israel resolutions at the UN.

Since you aren't complaining about other nations which we are bound by treaty to go to war to defend (e.g. Taiwan, All NATO countries) or have invested tremendous military resources (e.g. Japan, South Korea) then I think it is safe for the Semites to conclude the paleocons and white niggers aren't interested in isolationism but just destroying Israel.

"Goldman Sachs ensures that no son of the Tribe will ever be without a job."

If Goldman Sachs exists to ensure all Jews have employment then why are there any gentiles such as former CEO Jon Corzine working at Goldman at all? Why aren't ALL of the jobs at Goldman held by Jews if your allegation were true?

Btw, it seems to me the people who complain most about Jewish "corporate nepotism" such as peter brimelow, kevin macdonald, and their internet amen corner are all people who couldn't get good jobs.

I'm sure that's just a coincidence that the biggest critics of Jewish success are washed up failures.

"To the neo-colonialist, any undeveloped country which is friendly to the United States is only friendly because that country’s ruling elite are collaborating with the Americans to make themselves rich at the expense of the vast majority of the undeveloped country’s non-elite. The righteous countries are those which are anti-American. "

This pretty much describes the situation in 3rd world countries with natural resources.

"(and Jewish people too -- basically against anyone who is smart and successful); "

Everybody isn't obsessed with Jews like you think. Most people don't care about Jews or think about them. I never hear someone say anything about Jews except on the Internet.

"Then Dinesh D'Souza must be really smart for being the first to figure this out. Score one for Indian intelligence."

I think he IS smart, but as he explains, he is also an anti-colonialist and anti-neocolonialist, so it was easier for him to recognize another one in Obama.

It's late and I'm tired. What's a "white nigger"?

Paying poor people what you can get away with and what they are willing to sell for, rather than what is "fair" (which is generally a value known only to leftists, but you can generally assume "all or a majority of your profits" is what many of them would go with) is what leftists take to be exploitation.

Also paying poor people in such a way that they will, without any of your intention (let alone with it), develop into a low compensated part of your economy (i.e. agricultural producers), even if it makes them richer than their present state, rather than a high compensated sector, is taken to be exploitation.

Whereas rightists are more likely to say, "Let the market do its work!" and assume that the development of Third World nations into high value sectors is their own affair, to be solved by entrepreneurs from those countries and possibly even their own governments (and if there's great human misery there, maybe we can give them some charity), and not to be solved by our governments.

I generally agree with the rightist view much more than the leftist view (for the purposes of simplicity and coherent argument, I'd probably argue it 100%) to be honest, we don't really have any business "developing" Third World nations, except where it coincides with our long term enlightened self interest (of which there is a reasonable amount - there are lots of gains to be made from recruiting potential talents from many poor countries, for example) and never have.

It's true that the colonial empires weren't interested in "developing" Third World economies, but they weren't really interested in developing anyone, including their metropols, anywhere, but were profit driven entities operated for the benefit not of their metropolitan nation but its elite class - "development" happened in the European metropols (and the neo-Europes of the New World) because they were well positioned to move into high value sectors, largely because they had high political stability and because workers were well compensated and educated by both their own efforts and by community concern, not because there was some nefarious plan to make Third World colonial regions with just as much potential to work in high value sectors work in low value agricultural producer sectors.

"Lol, Obama isn't 'spending time' with Jews, he's made them a fundamental part of his life."

So what? He also makes white gentiles a fundamental part of his life. For example Joe Biden and Hillary Clinton.

(And by the way, Roosh makes girls a fundamental part of his life.)

" I mean, this guy kissed the Wailing Wall while wearing a yarmulke."

Probably David Duke would kiss the Kotel if he thought it would help him become President.

"I don't get how much more brown nosing your people need."

I don't need brown nosing, I would like to see him stop getting involved in internal conflicts in the Third World such as Libya unless either (1) it's clearly and unmistakably in America's interests to do so; or (2) there is clearly bona fide genocide going on (I don't mean scattered massacres or ethnic cleansing, I mean systematic organized large scale slaughter)

A similar principle applies to Israel: I would also like to see him stop pressuring Israel to make concessions to the Arabs.

These things would be good for America as well as for the Jews.

"Leftists don't hate Jews. They hate American Christians."

I would say they hate both. Why else would there exist gay activists and feminists who side with the Arabs over Israel?

"This pretty much describes the situation in 3rd world countries with natural resources."

In your view, how should the US and/or American corporations interact with such countries?

"To live with the advantages of white skin in America is to benefit from the old slave system."

To live with the advantages of dark skin in America is to benefit from the old slave system.

Actually, to live with the advantages of modern technology anywhere in the world, no matter what your skin color, is to benefit from the advantages of sharing the world with Europeans.

Childhood vaccination, cheap food production, telephones, etc. -- all the product of European minds.

"Everybody isn't obsessed with Jews like you think. Most people don't care about Jews or think about them"

Then why do people (including) Obama care so much about the Arab/Israeli conflict? The fact is that there are lots of conflicts in the greater Middle East and the rest of the world which have nothing to do with Israel. There are lots of peoples in the world who are treated far worse than the Arabs who are under Israeli rule.

"Then why do people (including) Obama care so much about the Arab/Israeli conflict?"

Because America is Israeli's supporter and thus gets blamed for everything Israel does. Obama was elected to make America more popular with the world and there were high hopes in the Arab world that he would be more even handed than other presidents given his non-white heriatage and Muslim sounding middle name.

"There are lots of peoples in the world who are treated far worse than the Arabs who are under Israeli rule."

I've never researched how Arabs are treated in the Israel so I can't confirm or deny your assertion, but Nobel prize winning Jimmy Carter (who Charles Murray described as the smartest president of the last half century) described it as apartheid.

The reason why this invites criticism from a tiny sub-set of Americans is because Jews were the victims of oppression themselves, so the world expects them of all people to know better. Because Jews do an excellent job showing how the Jewish people were malicously victimized with movies like "schindler's list", they have great moral authority, and because of that they are held to a high moral standard so it looks hypocritical when Palestinians are mistreated.

In Libya and the Ivory Coast, Obama is folllwing Sarkozy, who doesn't sound anti-neo-colonial. I don't understand what's going on in Libya, but in the Ivory Cost

"Lol, Obama isn't "spending time" with Jews, he's made them a fundamental part of his life."

That doesn't prove he likes them, it just proves he needs them. Obama surrounds himself with lots of people he doesn't like (i.e. the Clintons). As the saying goes, keep your friends close, but your enemies closer. Obama needs Jews in his circle not only for their brain power, but also to convince American Jews and Israel that he supports Israel. Obama lost the Jewish vote to Hillary Clinton quite badly in the Democratic primary and in Israel he's perhaps the most unpopular American president ever, so Obama needs lots of Jewish people to explain his foreign policy to Israel.

In Libya and the Ivory Coast, Obama is folllwing Sarkozy, who doesn't sound anti-neo-colonial. I don't understand what's going on in Libya, but in the Ivory Coast, Sarkozy is supporting the IMF guy.

Come on sabril, it's because the Israelis are seen as Western colonial settlers. They must be expelled!

"Lol, Obama isn't "spending time" with Jews, he's made them a fundamental part of his life."

That doesn't prove he likes them, it just proves he needs them."

Obama "needs" Jews to make it look like he actually has whites in his cabinet.

But (as far as I can tell) he doesn't have a single gentile white person in any cabinet/czar position, outside of Ray Lahood.

[HS: Outside of anti-Semitic blogs, whites who are Jewish are not considered fake whites.]

"Because America is Israeli's supporter and thus gets blamed for everything Israel does. "

America supports or has supported a lot of other countries besides Israel. South Korea, Japan, Germany, France, the UK, Egypt, Saudi Arabia . . . the list goes on and on.

"Jimmy Carter (who Charles Murray described as the smartest president of the last half century) described it as apartheid."

Lol, he's an anti-Semitic liar. Tell me what exactly Israel does which makes it an apartheid state and I bet I can find 3 other countries which do the same thing with far less concern from the likes of Leftists Obama.

"America supports or has supported a lot of other countries besides Israel. South Korea, Japan, Germany, France, the UK, Egypt, Saudi Arabia . . . the list goes on and on."

I would imagine America has supported those countries at various times because it's in her strategic interest to do so. However people like Mearsheimer and Walt argue it's not in America's interest to support Israel and she's actually a liability.

But it shows the superior intelligence of Ashkenazi that they are able to get the world's sole superpower to support them, especially if it's not in America's interests to do so. As HBD fan I find this fascinating! As China emerges as the new superpower, it will be interesting to see if Ashkenazi is intelligent enough to adapt by finding a way to use China's power to serve Israel's interests.

[HS: Outside of anti-Semitic blogs, whites who are Jewish are not considered fake whites.]

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Sig, I like you, but is it anti-Semitic to point out that Jews seem to be White when it suits them, but an entirely separate race when it doesn't?

You're right that most people don't see Jews as anything but White. That stops them from wondering why such a small demographic is so well represented in the inner sanctum of US power.

@Sabril

Barry has made a few generic statements about Palestinian statehood. What has he done to bring it about? Changed the American position at the Security Council? I think not. I doubt Barry cares much about foreign politics (though he's not stupid, as some like to imply he is), Israel/Palestine included.

Again. This guy went straight to the son of a militant Zionist to be his chief of staff, right before he parachuted him into the Mayor of Chicago gig. A Democrat, yes, but hardly the self-loathing, Israel-hating, West Hollywood-living type of Jew.

Why can't you accept that he's very unlikely to be an anti-Semite? It's like you can't disagree with him without also believing he secretly hates the Chosen People.

I think the reason Sig has a reluctant liking for Barry is that he recognizes a friend of the People when he sees one. Well, that and the fact that elites stick together, regardless of politics, ethnicity, etc.

"I would imagine America has supported those countries at various times because it's in her strategic interest to do so."

This is a typical anti-Semitic double standard. If America supports Country X, it must be because it's in America's interest to do so. Unless of course Country X happens to be Israel.

How exactly is it in America's interests to defend Turkey? What about France? To give money to Egypt? I'm sure you can come up with reasons, but you can do the same for Israel.

And again my earlier question: What exactly is Israel doing which makes it an apartheid state?

"I doubt Barry cares much about foreign politics (though he's not stupid, as some like to imply he is), Israel/Palestine included."

Do you agree that Obama has pressured Israel to freeze settlement construction on the West Bank and in East Jerusalem?

"This guy went straight to the son of a militant Zionist to be his chief of staff, "

Let's see if I have this straight: The father of one of Obama's appointees is a Zionist, so it follows that Obama doesn't harbor feelings of hatred towards Jews? Is that your argument?

Do you agree that Obama has appointed gentile whites to high level positions?

Simple yes or no question.

Does it follow from these appointments that Obama must not harbor any feelings of hatred towards whites?

Simple yes or no question.

"Why can't you accept that he's very unlikely to be an anti-Semite?"

Ummm, because the background facts combine with my knowledge of human nature make me think that he harbors the feelings I mentioned.

Let me ask you this: What is the basis for your claim that Obama has resentment towards Anglos?


"This is a typical anti-Semitic double standard. If America supports Country X, it must be because it's in America's interest to do so. Unless of course Country X happens to be Israel."

That's because those other countries don't have an ultra-rich and powerful lobby and media in the U.S. working in the interest of those countries like Israel does. Only Ashkenazi Americans have the intelligence to acquire the money, media influence, and verbal skill to manipulate U.S. foreign policy. Thus any time America does anything in the middle east, it's logical to wonder whether it's being done for American interests or Ashkenazi interests.

If Turkish Americans had a high average IQ, and the money, media & manipulative skills that comes with it, people would question whether the Turkish had somehow tricked or overpowered Americans into helping Turkey. But people don't give Turkish Americans credit for being able to pull off such an achievement. It's actually a huge complement to Jewish Americans when they are accused of controlling U.S. foreign policy. The only reason I find it interesting is because it validates IQ tests. If such a tiny ethnic group with a high IQ can run the world, it show that IQ tests really do measure real world adaptability & problem solving.


"How exactly is it in America's interests to defend Turkey? What about France? To give money to Egypt?"

Well according to Mearsheimer and Walt, the vast majority of aid Egypt and Jordan get from the U.S. is to reward them for signing peace treaties with Israel. If so, it's not in America's interests, it's in Israel's interest!

"And again my earlier question: What exactly is Israel doing which makes it an apartheid state?"

I don't know, I never read Carter's book and don't intend to.

[HS:Turkey has been allowed to join NATO, a privilege never granted to Israel, so it seems that Turkey has done a much better job of lobbying us than Israelis.]

"That's because those other countries don't have an ultra-rich and powerful lobby and media in the U.S. working in the interest of those countries like Israel does"

How exactly do you know that the Israel lobby is so powerful? What's your evidence?

"the vast majority of aid Egypt and Jordan get from the U.S. is to reward them for signing peace treaties with Israel. "

Lol, and much of the aid Israel receives was to reward it for signing a peace treaty with Egypt.

Besides, you have offered no explanation for the aid, support, and defense given by the US to South Korea, Japan, France, the UK, Turkey, Italy, Germany, etc.

"I don't know, I never read Carter's book and don't intend to"

Well if the only evidence you have to support your position is the word of a politician, you haven't exactly sustained your case.


"Then why do people (including) Obama care so much about the Arab/Israeli conflict? The fact is that there are lots of conflicts in the greater Middle East and the rest of the world which have nothing to do with Israel. There are lots of peoples in the world who are treated far worse than the Arabs who are under Israeli rule."

I was talking about average people, not elites.I never hear average people talking about Jews or saying Jews run the world.

Some elites like Chomsky question why our govt cares so much about Israel and supports them. Do you think Chomsky is anti-Semitic?

What would happen to the average American if Israel were wiped out? Not much, unless I am missing something.

Why did our govt care about East Timor in the 70's,Communism, the Domino Theory? East Timors fate had nothing to do with ours.

"I was talking about average people, not elites"

Then you were pulling a bit of a bait and switch.

I said that "deep down, Obama probably harbors feelings of hatred towards America and the West (and Jewish people too . . . ."

You responded that "Everybody isn't obsessed with Jews like you think." If your comment had nothing to do with Obama, then you should have made it clear.

"I never hear average people talking about Jews or saying Jews run the world."

So what? It doesn't contradict anything I have said.

"Some elites like Chomsky question why our govt cares so much about Israel and supports them. Do you think Chomsky is anti-Semitic?"

It's possible, but I found this quote by him:

"In the 1990s, it was the Kurdish population of Turkey that suffered the most brutal repression. Tens of thousands were killed, thousands of towns and villages were destroyed, millions driven from the lands and homes, with hideous barbarity and torture. The Clinton administration gave crucial support throughout, providing Turkey lavishly with means of destruction. In the single year 1997, Clinton sent more arms to Turkey than the US sent to this major ally during the entire Cold War period combined up to the onset of the counterinsurgency operations. "

A lot of the people who criticize US support of Israel couldn't care less about US support for Turkey. It seems to me those peoples' thinking is usually informed by anti-Semitism.

However, Chomsky might not fall into this category.

You don't need Dinesh D'Souza to understand Obama's foreign policy. It's a typical leftist worldview. You don't need a Kenyan father to have read Franz Fallon in college just like all the other leftists.

Occam's razor would seem to dictate a typical leftist worldview, combined with a fair amount of insecurity in dealing with military and national security types, to give you the incoherent Obama foreign policy.

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