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May 23, 2011

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Just a guess, but perhaps Germans spend less time in futile meetings?

Even if you live in one of the blogosphere's much vaunted "whitopia" areas, northern Idaho or some such place, you're still unlikely to be able to take a six-week vacation for the simple reason that few employers offer that much. Your theory holds water about as well as a bullet-riddled spaghetti strainer.

One obvious question would be, did Americans have less vacation than Europe back in (say) 1970, when there weren't many NAMs and housing was cheap?

Europeans get six weeks vacation because it is the law, part of the post WWII socialist state that most countries over there established. In the US, there is no law concerning vacations It is up to individual employers. Most go w/ two weeks the first year, then three weeks, then four weeks after 5 or 10 years.

It has nothing to do w/ NAM's. Europe set up these laws in the late 40's, when it was all white, at the same time they set up nationalized medicine, and the US didn't.

Maybe its just me, but most companies switched to three weeks of vacation years ago. If you stay in one place 5+ years it can turn into 4, 5, or 6 weeks.

So another way to put it is that NAMs are the backbone of our economic engine.

Peter, you must be brain-dead. The point HS was making was that if you live in northern Idaho you have to work extra for the privilege, so even if your employer gave you six weeks you couldn't afford to take it. You'd have to find a temp job during that period to make extra $ to afford to stay where you are. It's called the income effect vs. the substitution effect in economics. Look it up.

"Europe set up these laws in the late 40's, when it was all white, at the same time they set up nationalized medicine, and the US didn't."

Which is why it is all do with NAMs, indirectly. If American hadn't had NAMs in the 1940s/50s we would probably also have nationalized health care, cheap universities, stronger labor unions and many of the other socialist perks that Europe (and Canada) has. So, ironically, libertarians and conservatives can thank NAMs, and fear of sharing with them, for keeping the US economically conservative.

I agree with Peter. The most socialistic states (my home state VT comes to mind) are also strong majority white and strong majority British/Irish decent at that.

I'm living in Sweden now, I can literally live anywhere outside a few ghettos and be confident that I won't live in a bad neighborhood because all the beburkad Muslims are corralled into a few spots away from the Swedes and Swedified nonswedes.

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"I believe that Americans have to work so hard so they can afford to live in a NAM-free neighborhood. This has been less of a problem in Europe where everyone was white so even if you didn’t have so much money you were still living in a white neighborhood."

I think there is much truth to this.
I also believe one of the reasons why the USA never created a generous welfare state is precisely because of race. White people don't want to surrender their money to support NAM's. Another interesting outcome of race in America is we evolved into becoming VERY car dependent. Face it folks who wants to sit on a bus or train with NAM's? Exactly!

America is a place where people are segregated by race but it's an uncomfortable topic so much so that plenty of people are willing to lie to themselves and refuse to admit it. The great irony is everyday these people wake up in the morning and sit in traffic to drive an additional 10 miles or more to get the hell away from NAM's yet they still fail to see it.

Americans have fewer vacation days than Europeans because our taxes are lower. If you are taxed at 50% or 60%, and your employer offers you the choice of a 4% raise, or a few more vacation days, you'll take the vacation days, because the days worked are taxed so much.

Professional, middle class Americans live a lot better than the equivalent career tracked people in Europe. Our housing is cheaper, our gas is cheaper, our groceries are cheaper, etc. The average middle class American owns a home that is significantly larger than his or her European counterpart.

The reason americans have less vacation time is our "capitalist society". Every year workers cede more to their employers, working longer hours to keep their purchasing power from eroding. It's just going to get worse as the minimal IQ to attain employment goes up-- squeezing all workers ( regardless of IQ)

Yeah, Sweden is also thinking of putting wage ceilings on young people since there aren't enough jobs for new young graduates.


Europe is in a worse long term position than us, they can barely afford to keep their welfare shitstate above water without spending even a few percent on self-defense/military..

People overlook that Europeans have a lot more of their future guaranteed by the government (better pensions, more certain health care in old age, better disability and unemployment benefits) and thus don't have to set aside or spend as much money as Americans to offset these risks. A European can gleefully take more vacations or spend everything on charity, while an American has to save for later since there may be nothing to take care of him in older age.

Also, European jobs have more artificial barriers to entry/exit. It's hard to lay someone off or fire them, so there's a lot less churn and competition for positions. For many Americans, their jobs are implicitly or explicitly under the gun and taking 2 days off or 4 weeks off a year can mean the difference between promotion and being fired.

Another reason why I HATE, and I mean HATE!!!, liberals. They complain about how much America sucks compared to Europe and think that the extra vacation is the result of much needed socialism or in general the product of smarter more refined European culture. They don't understand its because of the black Americans they support at the expense of poorer white Americans. The same black Americans they curiously don't seem live next to or send their kids to school with.

You may be on to something here ...

The United States is still the premier world economic power. The reason being we have the highest utility and productive workforce. Give the Europeans two weeks, see how they fare in 20 years when China and USA are still the top two powers.

Can I have a source on Sweden wage ceilings?

Even middle class NAMs are willing to pay the premium to get away from other NAMs and move to White neighborhoods as soon as they can.

In 20 years, I've lived in four large metro areas in two states. In each spot, I had to pay a rent premium of about $400 per month to live in a nearly all-White neighborhood (and just 2 or 3 miles from the nearly all-NAM areas). Right now, I live in a very nice all-White neighborhood where home prices run $200K - $1M. Just three miles away, in the NAM (black) neighborhood home prices are $0 - $50K.

I believe that most American companies have mixed sick days and vacation days and call them planned time off (or some other term). Thus, people let the time build up because if they get sick, they will need the time off.

Also, many Americans change jobs every years. When one moves, one cashes the vacation hours out. Americans would probably have the money instead of the time off.

America has stronger work ethic and self-sufficiency strains in its culture than Europe, and this has been the case throughout American history. It's not NAMs. If if were, the Japanese and Chinese would all be lazy. Yes, the Europeans do have laws mandating vacation time, but then you have to ask the question of why the Europeans have the laws and we don't.

It's culture.

I have lots of vacation time, at least I've got a month accrued. Good luck taking it off. Life is miserable at work both when you're getting ready for, and coming back from, a vacation. It's almost not worth it.

Telling you, our only hope is more Asian immigration. Even most white people don't act like what you mean when you say "white people" anymore.

"I predict that increasing immigration into Europe will cause Europeans to behave more like Americans—there will be greater desperation to get ahead to avoid living near undesirable minorities."

The problem with this, though, is that Europeans typically don't have a lot of kids.

You'll notice that even in America, people with no children typically don't mind living around minorities too much. It's only when they have the children that they don't want to live around minorities -- because they don't want their children going to school with their children.

So in NH, Vermont, and Maine six weeks of vacation is the norm? They're almost as white Europe.

Posted by: Kaz
"Europe is in a worse long term position than us, they can barely afford to keep their welfare shitstate above water without spending even a few percent on self-defense/military.."

I agree that the USA is in a stronger position then Europe. Ever heard the joke, "What's the difference between Germany and Greece? answer: About 20 years."

What is NAM? National Association of Manufacturers?

"You'll notice that even in America, people with no children typically don't mind living around minorities too much. It's only when they have the children that they don't want to live around minorities -- because they don't want their children going to school with their children."

As someone who recently had kids, I can vouch for the great truth of this statement. I did not really know, or care, how much Section 8 housing was near me until I had kids and discovered that the Section 8 dregs were all attending my local public school.

It is already happening in parts of France. There used to be a time when it didn't matter too much where you lived in Paris to find a decent school. My friends who live there with kids say -- at some point they must make a decision. Move to a richer/more expensive quarter or else pay for private, usually parochial school.

As for college, if the kids don't get into one of the elites (Polytechnique, ENA, ENS, Sciences Po) my richer French friends try to send their kids abroad. A lot of this is due to open enrollment and the rising number of NAMs, especially from the Arab world/North Africa.

@The_King:

In 20 years time the US will be majority NAM. I predict GDP per capita in China will exceed that of the US in 2060.

"So, ironically, libertarians and conservatives can thank NAMs, and fear of sharing with them, for keeping the US economically conservative."

This is one of those ironies you (obviously) never see commented on. ;)

I do recall reading that the right wing was largely discredited in the 40s due to widespread collaboration with the Nazis, shifting the political center of gravity to the left. Anyone who knows about European history know if this is true?

"I do recall reading that the right wing was largely discredited in the 40s due to widespread collaboration with the Nazis, shifting the political center of gravity to the left. Anyone who knows about European history know if this is true?"

Yes, it is true.

But we should remember another point - until very recently there was not in continental Europe nothing like american conservatism (free market + family values); until 1945, in the european right-wing you could find "liberals" (the equivalent to your "fiscal conservative, social liberal"), "conservatives"/"traditionalists"/"reactionaries" (the Old Order, throne-and-altar conservatives, like Franco) and fascists - then, even before WWII there was not a big constituency in Europe for economic libertarian politics (the only "economic libertarians" were the "liberals", but in many occasions and countries they aligned with the left-wing against the common enemies, the traditionalists and the fascists).

Those long European vacations are not entirely as good as they sound because in most cases you don't get to choose when you take time off. For example in France you take your 4 weeks of summer vacation in July, or you take them in August. Usually your employer gets to pick which month you get. Most French people stay in France for vacation so they are on vacation with approximately half their country's population. The popular vacation areas in France are horribly crowded and expensive in summer; it's like a whole month of the worst Fourth of July weekend ever.

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