« Legalize marijuana to reduce crime? | Main | Tribeca parents outraged that city wants to send their children to a high-ranked school »

May 31, 2011

Comments

> the revolution in Egypt sucks for the Christians who live there.

To the MSM, that's a feature, not a bug.

"The opposite is happening in the Muslim world. Religiosity is increasing. This is demonstrated by the photographic evidence posted by blogger Phyllis Chesler."

One anecdote proves religiosity is increasing?

How about these?:

"Iran is governed by Sharia law. It is one of the few Muslim countries where hijab for women is required by law. At the same time, it has "the lowest mosque attendance of any Islamic country," according to Zohreh Soleimani of the BBC. Iranian clergy have complained that more than 70% of the population do not perform their daily prayers and that less than 2% attend Friday mosques."

Here's another on religious participation in Holland:

"In recent years, church and mosque attendance has been in decline and far fewer people went to religious meetings. The most substantial decline is recorded in the Muslim community. In the period 2004–2008, an average of 35 percent of Muslims went to the mosque at least once a month, as against 47 percent in 1998 and 1999."

http://crossroadsmag.eu/2009/07/declining-church-and-mosque-attendance/

But I still wouldn't want to be a Copt living in Egypt!

Wade, I kind of agree with you. I think that both sides are becomming less religous. Nevertheless the Muslims are still very religous and more fundamentalist. The Fundementalists of both sides are becomming more extreme--but there's are into the violent phase while ours still try to accomplish things politically.

The west is not becoming less religious at all, the west is simply trading one religion for a new one...

"but no one’s paying attention to them"

It's funny how many liberals think that holy rollers are a threat when in fact they are just laughed at by Republican apparatchiks.

"The west is not becoming less religious at all, the west is simply trading one religion for a new one..."

This religion being rationalism. The best religion around I think compared to the others especially anything originating in the Judeo-Christian-Islam tradition.

"The West has become less religious during the last century. There’s the exception of a fundamentalist/evangelical Christian revival among U.S. proles, but no one’s paying attention to them. In the major cities of the West, religiosity is at a low ebb."

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

If there is hope, it lies in the proles.

"The west is not becoming less religious at all, the west is simply trading one religion for a new one..."

"This religion being rationalism. The best religion around I think compared to the others especially anything originating in the Judeo-Christian-Islam tradition."

Hilarious. Yeah, rationalism. Yup, that and education is going to fix the growing left half of the Bell curve. How many folks with 90 IQ's are going to turn into autodidactic rationalists?

I am guessing zero.

Religion is to keep them working, and producing, not sitting on welfare and reproducing.

And to top of the funny the G20 is on the verge sending those new regimes 20 billion in aid.

You're overlooking Islam's critical weakness: it has essentially zero appeal to people not already born Muslim. Conversion to Islam is very rare and pretty much limited to the most lumpen of the lumpen-proletariat. Even during the worst days of the Cold War there were significant numbers of people in the capitalist West who openly sympathized with the Soviet Union or at least with Marxism. In countries such as France and Italy, the Communist Party was consistently one of the top few political parties. You simply don't see anything like this with respect to Islam.

"Religion is to keep them working, and producing, not sitting on welfare and reproducing."

People have been arguing against religion since Ancient Greece and Rome, so I agree much won't change, in the West likely.

However, look at East Asia- Japan and China are pretty much atheistic. Buddhism, Confucianism, and Taoism say nothing about God or gods and the people of these countries produce some of the smartest people on the planet and the highest average IQs.

Islam is not just growing by birthrate but by conversion. Increasing number of Western people are converting to Islam. I am a Hui/Uyghur from the US, but I know that China is at least 10% Muslim. Don't glorify Asia, it is much more religious than you think. Look at East Asian Hazara in Afghanistan, they are devout Muslim. Also, Central Asia is very, very religious.

Also, you may say low-class convert to Islam but also it is increasingly Middle and Upper Middle in the US. Islam is also growing in China~~ Anyways, it is Africans and Latin Americans that convert to Christianity.

Also Iran is Persian not Arab. Big difference. I grew up in LA. Noticeable difference between the cultures.

"You're overlooking Islam's critical weakness: it has essentially zero appeal to people not already born Muslim. Conversion to Islam is very rare and pretty much limited to the most lumpen of the lumpen-proletariat."

Islam does not rely on conversion by appeal.

Islam relies on conversion by force -- and always has.

Once they reach a critical mass in the population, they kill, enslave, or convert everyone else.


"However, look at East Asia- Japan and China are pretty much atheistic. Buddhism, Confucianism, and Taoism say nothing about God or gods and the people of these countries produce some of the smartest people on the planet and the highest average IQs."

Atheism doesn't make people smart!!!!

Smart people, however, are more likely to be atheists.

It would be swell if you could turn the arrow the other way, but you can't.

Well nonetheless I'd rather have the working class believe in Buddhism/any other Eastern religion then Christianity or Islam any day...

I'm afraid that even in the west, the trend towards less religiosity won't last. Read Eric Kaufmann: Shall the Religious Inherit the Earth?

The fundamentalists are outbreeding us secularists and have sufficiently high retention rates that in a few centuries they're likely to take over.

My very tentative impression is that Islam appeals to people who want Divine sanction for living an orderly life.

Hi I am from india.

i read few posts on this site....here is my rant. some related, some unrelated.

Whoever says islam is not growing is nuts. And Religiosity is increasing is also increasing.

There are three ways it is happening in india.

1) First is conversion
Now understand this .........islam and muslims wants to dominate the entire world. This the only thing that matters to them and nothing else. The quality of life is secondary to them it is just numbers.

With oil money they recruit the poor non-Muslims, convert them......... stuff them in madrases and keep teaching them QUARAN. The poor gets food and shelter so he is happy. The Muslims get new recruit and vote bank and power base. If a poor guy gets a break who can stop him.

If a untouchable becomes Muslim can any one blame him. No one can. Now do trust me the problem of caste is not as bad as it was 100-200-300-500 years ago. Hindus are extremely afraid of Muslims then worry about castes.


Islam is the only religion whose prophet was a warlord, military general. Islam has only spread by sword, forced conversion or economics hardship on non-Muslims.

Very few if any who embrace islam for its belief like Buddhism.


2) Population explosion

Average non muslim community in india is falling at alarming pace. Most of non muslim community use family planning and have 1-2 kids poor, rich, uneducated alike. While muslims well that is one hell of other story, you have to be here to find out. How many muslims have 5-10-12 kids!!!!!!!!!!!!! average littler per women is around 3-5.


3) Bangladesh

You can safely assume that 20-25% of Bangladeshi live in india. It is india's biggest problem just like latino's are to USA. The bangla muslims get the gold medal in human production. Almost surreal.


My guess is india will become Islamic by 20-25 years max. When muslim population reaches 30-40% max bye bye bye india and non muslims.


Well hindu civilization lasted since 1600 BC - 1100 AD and under muslim empires till now. 3,700 Years not bad ........kind of like average for a decent so-so civilization.

This civilization will die off on its own fault....caste system , not eating meat, and being pacifist, and not being aggressive, not uniting, being corrupt etc etc.


One thing no western understand how life is in third world countries.

misogyny is one of many severe problems with islam which is dangerous no matter how it is packaged. muslims do not assimilate into western society because islam is a theocracy and demands supremacy.

the twin fogs of political correctness & ignorance must be dispersed before western society better understands this menace. even a brief review of islamic theology & history quickly exposes the deadly roots of this evil ideology.

see the links in the pdf version below for more accurate info about islam
==========

islam is a horrible ideology for human rights

5 key things about islam

1. mythical beliefs - all religions have these (faith) because its part of being a religion: having beliefs without proof until after the believer dies. the problem is people will believe almost anything.

2. totalitarianism - islam has no seperation of church and state: sharia law governs all. there is no free will in islam: only submission to the will of allah as conveniently determined by the imams who spew vapors to feather their own nests. there are no moderate muslims: they all support sharia law.

3. violence - islam leads the pack of all religions in violent tenets for their ideology & history: having eternal canonical imperatives for supremacy at all costs and calling for violence & intimidation as basic tools to achieve these goals.

4. dishonesty - only islam has dishonesty as a fundamental tenet: this stems from allah speaking to mohamhead & abrogation in the koran which is used to explain how mo's peaceful early life was superseded by his warlord role later.

5. misogyny - present day islam is still rooted in 8th century social ethics: treating females as property of men good only for children, severely limiting their activities, dressing them in shower curtains and worse.

conclusions ??

there really are NO redeeming qualities for this muddled pile of propaganda.

islam is just another fascist totalitarian ideology used by power hungry fanatics on yet another quest for worldwide domination and includes all the usual human rights abuses & suppression of freedoms.

graphics version
http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/5792/dangero.jpg

1 page pdf version - do file/download 6kb viewer doesn't show fonts well, has better fonts header footer links, great for emailing printing etc
http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0B_UyNP-72AVKYWNiNTFlYTEtMTA1ZC00YjhiLTljMDUtMDhhNDE0NDMzNmYz

The comments to this entry are closed.