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July 25, 2011

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"To the credit of white nationalist Europeans, they are not anti-Jewish like white nationalists in the United States"

Because there are so few Jews there. It's the same reason why whites states like Maine were happy to vote for Obama.

The vast majority? I think only the first half of the book (book 1 and 2) are compiled essays. I skipped them and am reading book 3 now fictional 3 phase plan for a European civil war, and I think it's mostly original writing.

I would like to see a contents that shows who wrote what though.

"This guy has done a great deal of harm to the movement that he supports. Now people will say that right-wing types are a bigger terrorist threat than Islamic jihadists. And people will say that right-wing blogs are fanning the flames of “hate” and they will be blamed for this incident. Maybe governments will use this incident as an excuse to suppress the free speech of blogs they disagree with."

Absolutely. hate-speech law regulation will eye on everyone right now on the internet. but meantime we still hear from some news agency citing some jihad website for information.

I think his intention is sane, but the means he deems justifiable and necessary is definitely not accepted at all. He has obsessiveness and ego issues. This is something that crept me out:
http://theslittyeye.wordpress.com/2011/07/25/breiviks-true-intention/

"Notice that both of his characters were female." - Half Sigma

This is what happens when a man is single and has little to no investment in society. Girlfriends/wives but especially children keep a man grounded and away from criminality and fringe groups. The vast majority of terrorists throughout the middle east are financially AND sexually impoverished young men.

Yeah. "We" the greater HBD/non PC "community" are screwed. This delusional psycho has irrecoverably tarnished the highbrow alt conservative brand. Why couldn't he have drawn some Mohamed cartoons or made a documentary on Female genital mutilation? Written a book on Muslim rape statistics? This is a nightmare.

If government security services werent already on alt right blogs they will be now. We are non violent guys!

"Yeah. "We" the greater HBD/non PC "community" are screwed. This delusional psycho has irrecoverably tarnished the highbrow alt conservative brand."

That's ridiculous. The unabomber (and other environmental terrorists) didn't "irrecoverably tarnish" the environmentalist brand.

Here is a link to the guild he claims to have been in:

http://www.wowwiki.com/Guild:Nevermore_(Silvermoon_EU)

His history is a little incomplete. If he was 25 when he took a year off to play WoW then that was in 2005 which was the first generation of WoW (when it was really intense). This guild was formed in 2007, probably due to the change from 40-man raiding to 25-man raiding.

A lot of people transferred to servers with the most successful guilds and end up joining the 3rd and 4th rank guilds, which is what he sounded like he did.

Playing female characters is pretty common amongst the horny guys who play the game. They are also smaller so they are easier to hide and they don't block the screen as much (especially the male tauren).

"That's ridiculous. The unabomber (and other environmental terrorists) didn't "irrecoverably tarnish" the environmentalist brand." - JP

Apples and oranges. A quote from another blogger on this topic.

"After this event a Scandinavian CONservative might have a hard time convincing others that Islamic terrorists want to kill white children and destroy government buildings- because we know who has done those things and it is not a bunch of swarthy guys from the ME. Breivik’s name (Anders Behring) and persona (look at his photo and business profile) are Scandinavian to a level of parody....Moreover killing 80 mostly white kids to defend a CONservative worldview is should we say.. massively counterproductive." - Advocatus Diaboli

Did McVeigh doom us? No, he didn't, and neither will this psycho.

The beta male rage angle unexplored elsewhere discussed here.

http://whiskeys-place.blogspot.com/2011/07/anders-breivik-beta-male-rampage.html

"Maybe governments will use this incident as an excuse to suppress the free speech of blogs they disagree with. "

Yes, just as Cass Sunstein suggests to Obama on a regular basis.

don't understand this "violence discredits your cause" argument. Islam hasn't been discredited in the eyes of the antiSemitic, antiChristian multiculturalists by its violence; indeed the violence of Islam raises its stature. Environmentalism hasn't been discredited by the violence of Theodore Kaczynski. Civil Rights, Affirmative Action, and Racial Equality haven't been discredited by the violence of the Black Panthers (or any of the many, many other black racist murders). Socialism hasn't been discredited by Mao, Castro, Pol Pot, Stalin; indeed its stature is higher than ever (why is mystery to me).

Who cares what ideas in which Breivik slew his victims? Breivik true inspiration is Charles Manson, who also wanted to start an internecine war (Helter-Skelter). Breivik's actions have supplied a Reichstag Fire to Islam and the multiculturalists to use to attempt to discredit people who would preserve liberty and the West.

I supported racial equality until the Black Panthers murdered people; now I'm a racist.
I supported feminism until Valerie Solanis shot Andy Warhol; now I'm a male chauvinist pig.
I supported environmentalism until Kaczynski murdered people; now I'm a capitalism polluter.
I supported Islam until 9/11; now I'm an atheist.
I supported Zionism until the King David hotel bombing, now I'm..., oh the heck with it. I don't believe in anything.

If one is opposed to violence, in the end, one must believe in nothing.

Beslan.

wrong, he's done quite well

if the left is going to say he represents all right wingers, let us claim him

[HS: He murdered dozens of childen in cold blood, he doesn't represent any right wingers that I know of.]

"we" just play it exactly as the left does

we don't condone violence but he has a legitimate point and we admire his courage in his convictions. (oh and in 2083 when we win, we'll make him a tenured professor).

"The vast majority of terrorists throughout the middle east are financially AND sexually impoverished young men."

This is actually pretty false. I can't speak for sexually, but most of the Islamic terrorists that leave their own country to commit acts of terrorism are relatively well off. The poor and in a constant struggle to simply survive. Only the rich have time to think about how the US screws them over in geo politics. I think the majority of 9/11 guys were pretty well off, and we all know OBL was loaded.

Sure, a lot of the resistance fighters in Iraq are probably poor like the vast majority of the population, but that seems more like a function of an occupation then terrorism against the west for the most part.


[HS: In order to pull of something like 9/11, you need an above average level of intelligence and future time orientation.

In Muslim countries I suspect that men with intelligence and future time orientation are considered good husbands, so they don’t have any problem finding wives. The phenomenon of smart conscientious men being losers with women is uniquely Western—a consequence of high wealth (women don’t need a husband to avoid starvation) and loose sexual mores.]

I haven't gamed a whole lot since I left college, so things could have changed. But I remember that Norway was always big time in the gaming community, a lot of professionals came from there despite being such a small country. That was true for a lot of games and WoW too.

There is a lot of speculation on why. The most obvious answer is that its fucking cold most of the year so people stay indoors and play video games. Its expensive to do most things in Norway and many people live in isolated places.

Beyond that they have a very robust and forgiving welfare system, so if you want to go full WoW addiction and play all day you can probably still have an apartment, food, medical care, etc.

What is interesting about Norway is that they have none of the problems we normally attribute to the downfall of society here but still have plenty of dysfunction. No poverty, high GDP, egalitarian classes, sitting on a pile of oil, no debt or trade balance problems. Yet you still get stories like this.

BTW, what did he do? I don't follow this all I get is he shot a bunch of people or something.

A social conservative would point out that a society that condones abortion and is soft on pedophilia creates a moral climate in which killing children is thinkable.

"This is actually pretty false. I can't speak for sexually, but most of the Islamic terrorists that leave their own country to commit acts of terrorism are relatively well off. The poor and in a constant struggle to simply survive. Only the rich have time to think about how the US screws them over in geo politics. I think the majority of 9/11 guys were pretty well off, and we all know OBL was loaded." - davver


Your assumptions are based on a misunderstanding of reality. In third world countries women don't go slumming for excitement, sexual poverty correlates with financial poverty. The guys you described are the rich alphas who rule or who want to rule like OBL. Usama himself had multiple wives and was the son of a similar polygamous arrangement. Remember terrorism against the west is pretty minor compared to the amount of violence targeted at their own societies. The vast majority of guys involved with this stuff are pretty hopeless. Southwest Asia has always had a big man culture and the charlatans especially the muslim kind have understood that useful idiots are highly motivated by rewards of sexual paradise awaiting them in the afterlife (the whole 72 virgins thing).

"What is interesting about Norway is that they have none of the problems we normally attribute to the downfall of society here but still have plenty of dysfunction. No poverty, high GDP, egalitarian classes, sitting on a pile of oil, no debt or trade balance problems. Yet you still get stories like this." - davver


You missed the elephant in the room; feminism. Scandinavia is the Saudi Arabia of feminism. The men are even more emasculated there than in the US/UK. Hurting a woman's feelings can get you charged with sexual assault. Just ask Julian Assange. Female hatred of beta males is so strong that the women in places like Norway are actually happy with their cats. Gaming is the only escape guys have into a masculine world of their own.

Saturday the BBC interviewed a female survivor. She said "he was shooting the girls on the ground." Beta.

Whiskey's post was nice. On a side note I was at the bar last night and was talking to the women sitting next to me. Textbook modern feminist. She is, of course, divorced. Drinks and smokes heavily. She has one kid and she "hates kids" and spends her time in bars and at parties. Her kid called her (midnight on a Sunday night) to ask when she was coming home and she got pissed off and told him to go to sleep. She seemed really disappointed that her kid was "a real pussy" and didn't play sports or anything. We talked about football a bit, she seemed way more into it then me, and you could tell she fetishized all the players. She did have standards though, the manning brothers were apparently way too ugly for her.

How could a man not want to settle down with a girl like that?

[HS: She sounds extremely prole.]

[HS: She sounds extremely prole.]

Maybe, though her background didn't seem that way from what little I gleamed. She works for a well known financial company downtown, and from what little she talked about her work I surmised that it was an actual front office job, not secretary. She may well have gone to college and be making good money.

She could come from prole parents or be prole at heart, but she has the status markers of any upwardly mobile yuppie. Masculine women of this type are very common in pressure cooker financial institutions, there is little that actually marks them as being different then the men besides genitals.

Whiskey is actually making a lot of sense. If there is a common thread between most of these kilings it is that omega males, the people Houellebecq would call the losers in the sexual free market place, are the ones perpetrating these crimes, and political ideology seems to be a desperate justification, not motivation, for these acts. After all, what man is going to admit that he can't get laid?

He also was a steroid user. Not something you normally associate with WoW dweebs.

“This guy has done a great deal of harm to the movement that he supports.”

He cited research on racial IQ differences, but he never discussed the genetics of violence. This is another reason why race realists should put the genetics of violence front and center. The genetics of violence is based on far more advanced science than the genetics of IQ. Genetics of violence accesses mainstream elements of established genetics, psychiatry, psychology, neurology, neuroscience, and criminology. Genetics of violence study lends itself to practical methods of violence prevention, which will turn off violent radicals and make clear to moles that we are not interested in waging terror.

Peter,

Not all wow players are pasty nerds. It is actually very popular among current and former military. The world of Wow is organized and straightforward. Things like guilds and raiding are similar to being in the military. You'll meet plenty of muscular wow players. Keeping in shape only takes a few hours of intense lifting every week.

"Not something you normally associate with WoW dweebs."

You don't seem to know much about WoW players. There's a huge number of former and current military personnel playing the game. Several guys in my guild as a matter of fact, one of whom is currently in Asscrackistan as he calls it. We have married couples, parents with children, college students, business owners.

I would say that dweebs are a rarity in this game with the possible exception of servers devoted exclusively to role playing.

"(To the credit of white nationalist Europeans, they are not anti-Jewish like white nationalists in the United States. MSM journalists, unfortunately, don't understand the difference between white nationalists and neo nazis.)"

I think you're being too optimistic. There are plenty of white nationalist Europeans who are anti-Semitic and who aren't neo-Nazis. Most are to some degree. They conceal it for tactical reasons.

World of Warcraft is the most casual MMO out there. It's success is credit to it's easy to jump in gameplay. You don't need to be hardcore to have fun in it. Also if you didn't know it's the most popular MMO out there with ~11mil subscribers. That's a lot of people for a game like this.

Regardless, this guy and his character names kinda reminds me of mine..

I had a bunch of characters myself when I'd play, named Patriarchy, Feminism, and other silly crap.

Plastique,

Nerds are still probably the majority, but its also a lot more diverse then outsiders think. Demographics can vary wildly from guild to guild, or outside of the guild scene entirely.

The only common thread you'll find is that it's used as an escape from something. What one is escaping from varies and how much they are reliant on that escape varies. Some people play a couple hours a week to escape simple boredom. Some play 70 hours a week living in a basement as a way of escaping their entire life. The same is true for any escapist material (movies, books, etc.) it just satisfies that escapism in a different way.

I don't think this has really done the amount of harm some of you think. First of all, Norway is a tiny country, far away. If the Norwegians want to put their blinders on regarding muslim immigration, fine, but next time there is an islamic terrorist attack in great britain or germany or france, or here (and there will be more, sooner or later), people are not going to put their head in the sand because of breivik and pretend that it's not muslims who are the problem. Secondly, he attacked his own government and killed white, norwegian kids - this can't really be spun as a "racist" attack, which we know is very potent and what the leftists are always hoping for. It's all pretty muddled and gives off an insane vibe, and most ordinary people aren't going to read his manifestos. The impression I'm actually getting from looking at the news is that they're all reveling in the fact that it's a blond, white guy, in the sense of, "Look, blond, white guys can be crazy and evil, too, just like all those Muslims!", which is kind of boring (because white people don't deny their own criminal element, unlike other racial and ethic groups) and doesn't say much for the muslims...

@EliteBaby

All the big nations recognize the "muslim threat' as in countries such as America, France, UK are all participants in Iraq/Afghanistan. I know killing them isn't enough for you (isn't for me either as that solves fuckall the way we're doing it) but they recognize it, everyone does. Also, everyone, and I mean everyone thought it was some Islam motivated attack the second they heard of the attack in Norway, that's the first thing that popped into everyone's mind.

Some news sources thought they would even get the jump on things by citing some silly forum saying that GlobalJihad takes credit for the attack.

Now when everyone heard it was some native Norwegian they were surprised, why would a man native to Socialist Haven Norway do this? The fact that their emphasizing this man's features shows they are surprised and it's obvious, they're not trying to fool anyone.

What makes WoW or other forms of digital escapism (unique to recent times) more pernicious than others is the accessibility and low cost of the habit. Also unlike other escapisms there is a high level of engagement and endorphin release. I've read video games are analogous to achievement porn. Gaming addictions have the potential to be even more destructive than drugs because gaming is considered normal. Compared to something like drugs gaming addiction seem harmless even. In China and South Korea it's become an epidemic that the authorities are treating very seriously. Where as in the west gaming addiction is responded to with mockery.

"A social conservative would point out that a society that condones abortion and is soft on pedophilia creates a moral climate in which killing children is thinkable."

The "children" were in the 18-25 age range as I understand it. Komsomols, not Young Pioneers.

"A quote from another blogger on this topic."

Advocatus Diobili is a total buffoon, quoting him hradly impresses me.

"Saturday the BBC interviewed a female survivor. She said "he was shooting the girls on the ground." Beta."

Nah, a beta would have let the girls live, like a good little white knight, and only killed the men.

The real betas are the males on the island who didn't charge the guy, and either ran away or passively waited to be shot.

"The real betas are the males on the island who didn't charge the guy, and either ran away or passively waited to be shot."

Not really.

That suggestion is just like shooting out the tires of getaway cars or shooting crooks in the knees to minimize damage - works great on TV but not practical in real life when you're hanging out one second and surrounded by chaos the next (especially when know one knows who's doing the shooting). And the island seems to be a relatively open area so you couldn't sneak up on the shooter even if you identify him.

Running away multiplies targets. Massing together and charging the gunmen just makes you all catch a bullet that much quicker.

Would you really take a bullet for relative strangers. If Columbine happened at my school I sure wouldn't try to charge the gunmen. Someone would have to be really close to put your life on the line for them, I can't think of anyone outside my family.

I have read some of blogger Fjordman's writings before, and he didn't seem like a white nationalist to me. But if you define anyone who says that muslim immigration to the West should be limited, then I guess he is a white nationalist. Actually, many on the left would love to stretch the white nationalist label this far.

"What makes WoW or other forms of digital escapism (unique to recent times) more pernicious than others is the accessibility and low cost of the habit."

Indeed it takes very little to have a shitty apartment and an internet connection. People in WoW are engaging in the same sort of status climbing that HS is, but in WoW you don't need particularly great genes (it rewards persistence and discipline more then IQ or physical talent) and it doesn't matter if you were born elite or not. That's why it's so popular amongst current and ex military. People look down on WoW because, even though it probably is enjoyable to most of the users, those joys are of a much lower quality then real life joys (which are harder to obtain, scarcer, and distributed much less fairly). As virtual reality gets good enough to feel like real life expect people to lose themselves in it more and more.

Kaz-

"All the big nations recognize the "muslim threat'"

No, they 'recognise' that Islam is a moderate, peaceful religion which has been perverted by a tiny minority of individuals, who wrongly call themselves Muslims, into a hate-driven ideology called 'Islamism' which in no way represents true Muslims or their faith.

Do you really think we are in Afghanistan and Iraq to neutralise a 'Muslim threat'? Iraq had a secular socialist, Arab-Nationalist regime, its Muslim character had never posed a threat to the West. And now we are trying to help Islamic insurgents in Libya overthrow a secular regime in Libya, as well as supporting the overthrow of a secular regime in Egypt in favour of, what, the Muslim Brotherhood?
Britain and America also support the entry of Turkey into the EU which would obviously give their citizens the right to move anywhere within the union.
America, Britain and NATO also bombed the Serbs to help create the new Muslim state of Kosovo in the heart of Europe, and has remained silent over the ethnic cleansing of Serbs in that region.
Yes, we certainly recognise the Muslim threat all right, Kaz.

@proleishplumber

Well what the hell else do you want. I didn't say that was the right course of action. My point was that the public feels Islamic extremism is a threat enough to warrant us being in Iraq/Afghanistan without any major outcry from the public. Guess what, most Americans are quite content with the US military carpet bombing random areas they don't know about because they feel Islamic extremism is a threat and they think it's better than nothing. I never said it's the right rationale/action.

Trust me, most Americans recognize the threat of Islamic extremism, it's what the country has collectively given up many rights for in the guise of. But convincing them all Muslims are ticking terror bombs waiting to happen is going to be a tough pill to shove down their throats.

Keep in mind I'm talking about the American public, not me.

"As virtual reality gets good enough to feel like real life expect people to lose themselves in it more and more" - davver

Gaming is the new opiate of the masses.

"That suggestion is just like shooting out the tires of getaway cars or shooting crooks in the knees to minimize damage - works great on TV but not practical in real life when you're hanging out one second and surrounded by chaos the next"

Except it *often actually happens* in real life!

A politician on the HMS Astute disarmed the gunman who started shooting. People jumped on Loughner and wrestled him into submission as he was reloading. A math teacher tackled and disarmed the shooter at the school in Littleton CO in 2010. Bystanders disarmed a shooter at a Carlsbad CA school in 2010. Bystanders disarmed Colin Ferguson during his subway rampage in 1993. Tourists took down a shooter who opened fire in a Las Vegas Casino in 2009.

I'm sure there are more examples.

JP

Breivik was disguised as a police officer which helps explain why he wasn't stopped by anyone.

"they are not anti-Jewish like white nationalists in the United States"

How many Jews are there in Norway?

Its to someones "credit" that they arent antiJoo?!?! But people" will say this is the fault of right-wingers,and "people" will say that right-wingers are fomenting "hate" and "people"will say they're a terror threat----but of course "people" have been saying that for years!!--and ("people" in the)government will try to supress free speech. And who ARE those energetic people???

BTW Whiskey posted a great piece about this guy and his favorite TV shows:True Blood??? He seesm to be gay!

"Breivik was disguised as a police officer which helps explain why he wasn't stopped by anyone."

The shooter on the HMS Astute *actually was* a Royal Navy guard (not just pretending to be one) but they stopped him. In Norway, the victims knew very quickly that the perp was just pretending to be a police officer. Therefore "Norwegian dicklessness" is a better explanation than confusion over the shooter's identity.

First of all, I am not condoning this man's actions; but, you people act like the alt right can win through democratic means. The only way to make any sort of significant change is through non-democratic means, whether it be a violent revolution, a non-violent revolution, a coup..etc. If you think you can win in our sort of universal suffrage democracy, you're more insane than Breivik.

"I can honestly say running a hardcore WoW guild is equally challenging to running your own business with 7 employees or more. It requires an extreme amount of work in order to be successful and get server first kills."

Because playing games is comparable in difficulty to having actual responsibilities! Rescuing fictional princesses from fictional dragons isn't similar to research and analysis, business planning, accounting, etc. WoW, like anything else, is a product created for consumption by a corporation.

"Yeah 'We' the greater HBD/non PC 'community' are screwed."

One of the Columbine kids wrote in his diary that blacks are fundamentally different from whites.

"whether it be a violent revolution, a non-violent revolution, a coup..etc."

The ends do not justify the means, if a group uses violence it signals that it is willing to infringe upon the most fundamental of individual rights. Force, fraud, coercion, and theft are immoral due to their harmful nature. Information is the most valuable weapon on the battlefield of ideas.

Jay M,

I did not say I support violent revolution, but neither am I necessarily opposed to it. Unless you are an anarchist, the use of violence to achieve a greater good isn't evil. How do you think the United States was founded? Through violent revolution. What is our government doing right now? Using violence to control the people of other countries. Even anarcho-capitalists accept that retaliating against violence is not immoral. Government cannot exist without imposing it's will upon the people...violently.

"Information is the most valuable weapon on the battlefield of ideas"

Typing a witty sentence isn't an argument. Information and logic are not enough to persuade the masses, especially the female half (who have the right to vote).

***Environmentalism hasn't been discredited by the violence of Theodore Kaczynski. Civil Rights, Affirmative Action, and Racial Equality haven't been discredited by the violence of the Black Panthers (or any of the many, many other black racist murders). ***

Mencius Moldbug has a good discussion of when terrorism works and why left wing terrorism tends to be more effective than right wing terrorism.

http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2011/07/indisputable-humanity-of-anders-behring.html

Oops, I meant to link this comment post by Mencius.

"His general error is what Patri Friedman calls folk activism - a broad pattern of ineffective or counterproductive political action which extends across the entire right-wing spectrum, from moderate libertarians to hardcore neo-Nazis. It's not just that running wild with a Glock is stupid. Almost everything the right does is stupid. Very few rightists are running wild with a Glock, but most are in some way or other guilty of folk activism.

Why did ABB think right-wing terrorism could work? Because ABB grew up in a leftist world, he thinks like a leftist. His heroes are leftist heroes - Max Manus, not Vidkun Quisling. Terrorism works for leftists - and so do many other forms of democratic activism.

Terrorism is anarchism: a shattering of order. Is there such a thing as right-wing anarchism? Of course not: the concept is retarded. If the word "right" means anything, its goal is not to shatter order, but impose it."

http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2011/07/right-wing-terrorism-as-folk-activism.html

"If you think you can win in our sort of universal suffrage democracy, you're more insane than Breivik." - Zair

Ideas are powerful and can shape history. Raising awareness through pamphleteering (blogging) is the best course of action. A year ago I was everything you despise. Today I'm a totally different man since discovering the alt right world of PUA/MRA/HBD. Effort however small can make a difference.

Liberals like Sam Seder are now talking about the “cesspool” of anti-immigration bloggers who caused this. Here’s the antidote to this line of reasoning:

“The most popular name in the United Kingdom, Great Britain--this was in the news this week--for babies this year was Mohammad. Am I a racist to feel I’m alarmed by that? Because I am. And it’s not because of the race. It’s because of the religion. I don’t have to apologize, do I, for not wanting the western world to be taken over by Islam in 300 years?”

- Bill Maher

Commander Shepard,

I agree that blogs do have an impact, these blogs are "raising awareness" among the upper half of the male bell curve, but that's not enough to change anything in a democracy with universal suffrage. In order to change things in this country you either will have to pander to females or - as some would say - "fuck the system". What the alt right seems to be ignoring is that half of the population is female, and a minority of men are pedalastalizers. Ever since women were given the right to vote, the left has victory after victory. Again, you CANNOT win in such a system. What happens when a majority of men are on our side? We will still be a minority.

He was also in the hip hop movement and a graffiti artist in his teens:

Mencius has quoted some interesting background from Breivik's history. Apparently he was in the "hip hop movement" and a graffiti artist in his teens:

Since I was 12 years old I was into the hip-hop movement. For several years I was one of the most notable "hip-hop‘ers" from Oslo‘s West side. It was a lot easier to "gain respect and credibility" in Oslo West because of the demographic factors. Oslo West was the "privileged and predominantly native side" of Oslo with very few immigrants in contrast to the East side which was less peaceful. Graffiti and break dance was an important part of our life at that point. Around 1993 and 1994, at 15, I was the most active tagger (graffiti artist) in Oslo as several people in the old school hip-hop community can attest to...

We used to hang out with GSV crew, or B-Gjengen as they are popularly called today, a Muslim Pakistani gang, quite violent even back then. "Gang alliances" was a part of our everyday life at that point and assured that you avoided threats and harassment. Alliances with the right people guaranteed safe passage everywhere without the risk of being subdued and robbed (Jizya), beaten or harassed. We had close ties with B-Gjengen (B-Gang) and A-Gjengen (A-Gang), both Muslim Pakistani gangs through my best friend Arsalan who was also a Pakistani. Even at that time, the Muslim gangs were very dominating in Oslo East and in inner city Oslo. They even arranged "raids" in Oslo West occasionally, subduing the native youths (kuffars) and collecting Jizya from them (in the form of cell phones, cash, sunglasses etc.). I remember they systematically harassed, robbed and beat ethnic Norwegian youngsters who were unfortunate enough to not have the right affiliations. Muslim youths called the ethnic Norwegians "poteter" (potatoes, a derogatory term used by Muslims to describe ethnic Norwegians). These people occasionally raped the so called "potato whores." ..

I have personally heard of and witnessed hundreds of Jihadi-racist attacks, more than 90% of them aimed at helpless Norwegian youth (who themselves are brought up to be "suicidally" tolerant and therefore are completely unprepared mentally for attacks such as these). This happens while the Marxist networks in the hiphop movement and the cultural establishment silently and indirectly condone it. There is absolutely no political will to ensure that justice is served on behalf of these victims. I remember at one point thinking: "This system makes me sick"."

http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2011/07/indisputable-humanity-of-anders-behring.html


"There is a lot of speculation on why. The most obvious answer is that its fucking cold most of the year so people stay indoors and play video games. Its expensive to do most things in Norway and many people live in isolated places."

Norway is not that cold. Kansas is colder than Norway. It is dark for a couple of months, but it is also almost continually light in the summer.

The expensive angle makes some sense, but so does the gun industry in Norway. Per capita, I think they are the world's leader. They have less than five million people but produce over $400 million worth of armaments per year.

http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=42650
"In 2007 Norwegian weapons exporters earned 425 million dollars - an 18 percent increase on the previous year, and the largest in Norwegian history."

"Because playing games is comparable in difficulty to having actual responsibilities! Rescuing fictional princesses from fictional dragons isn't similar to research and analysis, business planning, accounting, etc. WoW, like anything else, is a product created for consumption by a corporation."

Running a 60 person guild and 40 person raids is much harder then most any job or small business. If you think managing 7 people who work at a bar and rely on you to pay the rent is difficult imagine managing several times that and you aren't paying them.

The top guilds are run like machines. As I said, they appeal greatly to former military because the structure and discipline are quite similar. People who run the top guilds do it for a living, many earning six figures a year in endorsements. As with all things only people at the top of the hierarchy get any reward, if you aren't getting world firsts you aren't getting endorsements. So like any pressure cooker winner take all job you see people put in crazy hours into the stuff.

"research and analysis, business planning, accounting"

=arithmetic + common sense. congratulations.

HS -- The 9/11 Hijackers except for one, had no wives/girlfriends. Don't forget, polygamy and tribal mating patterns freeze the unconnected/powerful out of the mating market. The only guy who was married (to a German girl) wanted out and the others had to pressure/threaten him and his family to gain compliance.

Gaming, steroids, prostitutes, this guy is like a pastiche of the 9/11 hijackers, Cho, Sodini, and others. His main motivation -- was to kill people, so he could be famous, and get laid (conjugal visits in soft Norwegian prisons). He'll have women lining up like Scott Peterson, Drew Peterson, OJ, Joran Van Der Sloot, and others did. That's why he did it -- killed other people's kids. Now he's the monster women fantasize about.

***His main motivation -- was to kill people, so he could be famous, and get laid ***

I think his main motivation was outrage at what was happening to his country.

He should have thrown in some references to Franz Fanon's 'Wretched of the Earth' or Jean-Paul Sartre's pre-face to that book justifying violence against oppression.

Also, I've just read that his parents divorced when he was 2 and he hadn't been in touch with his dad since he was 15. Was that a factor?

When dealing with paranoids look for psychotic relatives up close. McVeigh's mother, for example.

HS, as a long time reader of your blog I am glad to see that you followed up on my comment concerning the terrorist's WoW play.

I have to say after spending far too much time playing games and MMO's in particular, the MMO addict is simply one who has too much time on his hands and has an addictive personality. (Not unlike serial bloggers or serial blog readers.)

Basically what I'm saying is that the same personality traits which made him obsessed with and addicted to WoW were the same traits which made him obsessed with and addicted to his deranged terrorist plans and stupid political agenda.

Zair, most Western European nations now have nationalist, anti-immigration parties, and some of them are among the most popular parties in their countries. The idea that you cannot advance such ideas through democratic means is simply empirically false in Europe.

However, Breivik's terrorism will make it harder for immigration restrictionists and nationalists to operate in Europe, particularly in Scandinavia. Breivik promoted ideas that many popular parties in Europe espouse quite openly, thus tarnishing those ideas. Moldbug's post about why right-wing terrorism does not work is very good, although he too underestimates the possibility of change through the democratic process, probably because he thinks all democratic systems are like the closed two-party system of America.

"Gaming, steroids, prostitutes, this guy is like a pastiche of the 9/11 hijackers, Cho, Sodini, and others. His main motivation -- was to kill people, so he could be famous, and get laid (conjugal visits in soft Norwegian prisons). He'll have women lining up like Scott Peterson, Drew Peterson, OJ, Joran Van Der Sloot, and others did. That's why he did it -- killed other people's kids. Now he's the monster women fantasize about."

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A life sentence in exchange for notoriety and the occasional conjugal visit from a crazy chick? That's a terrible tradeoff. One can get that sort of tail frequenting a local dive bar.

Most women want masculine yet well socialized men who can engage in societal status competition. Not violent, loner psychopaths who will spend their lives in jail. Mr. Shooting Rampage will have no status, no money, no social capital for the rest of his life. He has effectively opted out of society so he could achieve some delusional political goal. Again if his goal was getting laid it was a terrible tradeoff.

Zair sounds like a white nationalist or neo-Nazi crazy. People shouldn't be engaging him here. I doubt if reason will have much impact on him.

" Mr. Shooting Rampage will have no status, no money, no social capital for the rest of his life. "

Well, he had none of those things before his rampage, either, but now he's famous, so perhaps it's not a bad tradeoff for him.

"Well, he had none of those things before his rampage, either, but now he's famous, so perhaps it's not a bad tradeoff for him."

Yeah, I think people don't quite understand the choices proles have (or more accurately don't have) at their disposal.

"One can get that sort of tail frequenting a local dive bar."

In what universe? If a man is deep into the Beta category he's not going to get much poon tang at a dive bar.

"Yeah, I think people don't quite understand the choices proles have (or more accurately don't have) at their disposal."

Proles? Breivik seems to be relatively smart, and apparently had a college degree. His problems are about his personality. He dropped out of normal life by his own choice, preferring to play video games and plot terrorist attacks while living with his mom. This has nothing to do with class differences.

"Well what the hell else do you want."

An anti-terrorist foreign policy (and not the nation building/third world babysitting phony wars we're waging in Iraq, Libya and Afghanistan) would consists of:

1) Blanket banning of all Muslim immigration cause they can't kill us if they aren't living here, even if (maybe) a majority of Muslim immigrants are no more supportive of the Jihad stuff in the koran anymore than Nancy Pelosi supports abortion restrictions.

2) Oppose ALL democratic movements and voting rights for Muslims ('cause the blessed Muslim freedom fighters will vote for TERRORIST political parties, yee fucking eejddiots).

3) Steal their oil fields so I can enjoy low gas prices.

4) Give unconditional diplomatic support to all bribable Muslim dictators like Mubarak, Gadhaffi, the House of Saud, etc because the Muslim people are more genocidal than their own dictators.

5) If everything else fails then nuke them from orbit, it's the only way to be sure.

6) Steal their oil.

7) Steal their oil.

8) Steal their oil.

Btw, I oppose any linkage between HBD and richard spencer's "alternative right".

HBD is the Jewish controlled race realism, alternative right is for Odin worshipping screwballs who hate Jews so much they want to destroy Christianity because Jesus was Jewish.

"This guy has done a great deal of harm to the movement that he supports."

If the left brings up the topic of "Norwegian suicide bombers" then just brush it off and act like this event never happened and continue arguing against Muslim immigration.

The left can't possibly defend Muslim immigration (what possible benefit do Muslims bring to Europe which outweighs their costs, such as their cheerful gang raping of young British, French, and Scandinavian girls? Cheap taxi drivers?).

There's no logical cost/benefit analysis which says Muslim immigration is beneficial, so why even acknowledge this one in a trillion Norwegian terrorist attack even happened?

Just keep arguing Muslim immigrants don't belong in the West because there's no reason for the right to take credit for one rare freak incident when Muslims show a consistent pattern of trying (incompetently) to terrorize non-Muslims.

The reason the HBD right is winning in Europe (this statistical fluke terrorist attack notwithstanding) is because they are pro-Jewish and the non-HBD alternative right/inferior reich is losing is because they are run by Thor worshipping Jew haters.

And Thor worship is even more anti-semitic than Nazism because even a majority of Nazi party members considered themselves to be Christians. Not even Hitler wanted a return to Norse god worship, although Himmler did.

But even Hitler (during the rare moments when he wasn't thinking about his own deification) thought Himmler was a bit "weird".

What America needs is a Geert Wilders like HBD that wins over high IQ libertarians with a blend of libertarian/HBD policies rather than a paleoconservative/WN/alternative right that is obsessed with pet issues nobody cares about (like instituting a gold standard and idolizing Hitler).

JL,

First of all, I'm not a white nationalist so I'm not as concerned about immigration as some others. But, even if we were able solve that problem I don't think we'll be able to get rid of problems such as feminism in a democracy in which women have the right to vote. If I had to choose between a degenerate monocultural society and a traditional multicultural society (if that's even possible), I'd pick the latter. Also, I'm not saying that the right should commit terrorism, I'm saying that it can only win fully through undemocratic means, whether it be violent or not.

Regarding Breivik, IMO and even though parts of his manifesto make sense and he pulled off the attack successfully, he was clearly mentally deranged because what he did doesn't help his objective.

Especially considering the demographic aging of Norway, how does killing young Norwegian men and women and advocating killing "beautiful" Norwegian help Europe? Doesn't killing young Norwegians (especially Norwegian women) just help tip the demographic balance against Scandinavians who are being outbred by Muslim women?

JL,

Ugh, forced to actually look this guy up.

The parents seem middle class though pretty dysfunctional (lots of kids from other marriages, estranged father). He took some online study courses at uni but I don't see evidence of a degree. He had some really weird interests like free masonry.

He is probably center right on the bell curve. Parents don't have capital to give him, certainly not elite enough to change public policy or be somebody important. In fact he tried and failed according to wikipedia:
In his manifesto, he describes running for the Oslo city council in the 2003 election as a candidate of the party without being elected. This he describes as a "crossroads phase", deciding if he would follow the path of "conventional politics" to further his goals. He eventually "lost all faith" in the Progress Party.[4]

So I guess it depends how far we are taking the prole term. Do we just mean Wal Mart greeters or are we basically talking about the 85% of humanity that has little capital and doesn't make any important choices. In 1984 it was the bottom 85%.

“HBD is the Jewish controlled race realism”

If we believe in IQ, shouldn’t we be smart enough to think about what the term “human biodiversity” implies? Can you say “preserve racial biodiversity”? In the most extreme interpretation, it implies that we should send mixed-race individuals to death camps. Unless you are African, you must be mixed because Neandertals were another race. If the term ever gets mainstream airplay, it will be picked to pieces.

Btw, while the low IQ minorities over at the TSA are on the lookout and ready to racially profile, probe and strip search young, bikini wearing Scandinavian SS Shewolf, MUSLIM terrorists in Pakistan are now launching attacks against China:

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/07/pakistan-jihad-groups-linked-to-murderous-china-jihad-attack.html

Officials on Wednesday said this week's attack on a police station in China's far western Xinjiang region had been “masterminded” by terrorist groups, while security analysts here suggested separatist groups active in Pakistan had a role in the violence.

Officials raised the death toll from Monday's attack in Hotan, a city in southern Xinjiang, to 18. While police shot down 14 “rioters”, four others, including two women, were killed in the attack.

Hou Hanmin, the head of the regional information office in Hotan, told The Hindu in a telephone interview that the attackers were “organised”, and armed with knives and grenades.

The rioters had entered a nearby government office before attacking and setting fire to a police station. They had taken six hostages before the police shot 14 of the 18 reported attackers, according to official accounts.

“They held up a banner calling for ‘holy war',” said Ms. Hou. “The attack was brutal and ruthless. This was clearly an attack masterminded by terrorist groups.”...

Excerpts from Breivik’s Manifesto concerning his views on sex, degradation of culture, and his dysfunctional family.

http://dissention.wordpress.com/2011/07/25/sex-in-breiviks-manifesto/

"In the most extreme interpretation, it implies that we should send mixed-race individuals to death camps."

Why would that lead to extermination?

"If the term ever gets mainstream airplay, it will be picked to pieces."

Alright, how about Secular Right instead of HBD?

"Unless you are African, you must be mixed because Neandertals were another race."

Neanderthals didn't mix with humans (they may not have been able to even produce sickly offspring together). The 2% of "Neanderthal" DNA East Asians and Europeans supposedly share can't be Neanderthal in origin because Neanderthals didn't live in any sizable numbers in East Asia.

It would help HBD if other HBDers would bother to learn about genetics and evolution...

davver, yes, it seems that he never got any degree, although most people seem to describe him as being relatively intelligent. Like I said, the problem is with his personality. University education is free in Norway, anyone can get a degree if they are smart and conscientious enough.

I would not put much trust in anything he wrote about his past in his manifesto. Among other things, he claims to have run a successful business, making millions, but this seems to be BS. It has been suggested that he inherited some money from relatives.

"So I guess it depends how far we are taking the prole term."

His problem is that he's psychologically abnormal. He withdrew from normal life without pursuing an education or a career. It's not like he did everything the society expected from him, and then was not rewarded for it, which is what the "beta male" narrative suggests. He simply rejected the society around him, preferring to do his own thing alone. I don't understand what the prole thing has to do with this. Class differences are small in Scandinavia compared to America in any case, and a Fussell-style class taxonomy is not really applicable.

“Why would that lead to extermination?”

Steve Sailer was obviously using the ecosystem/native-species analogy. If all it implied was a scientific curiosity, it would be harmless, but environmentalism is a political movement. Any political movement to preserve racial purity will not be pretty. If you choose to only marry “your kind,” that is your choice.

“Alright, how about Secular Right instead of HBD?”

That’s fine. I think “race realism” is flawed but better than HBD. All of this used to be common sense that didn’t require a label. The act of labeling is probably not something we should be enthusiastic about facilitating. Ask the tea-baggers.

“Neanderthals didn't mix with humans”

???...!

“The 2% of ‘Neanderthal’ DNA East Asians and Europeans supposedly share can't be Neanderthal in origin"

The 1 to 4% of Neandertal DNA inside of us is Neandertal in origin. Is this alt right or alt science? Don’t get me wrong. I like alt music.

“It would help HBD if other HBDers would bother to learn about genetics and evolution...”

Human biodiversity-ers. Lulz.

"He withdrew from normal life without pursuing an education or a career.... He simply rejected the society around him, preferring to do his own thing alone." - JL


I see myself in Breivik. I would never personally encourage my children to dabble in political thought. It just leads to disappointment, disillusionment, cynicism, and unhappiness. Sometimes knowing the truth is worth it and sometimes not.

"He withdrew from normal life without pursuing an education or a career."

What normal life and career? A soul crushing 9-5 middle class job and a mediocre unfeminine modern wife? Who wants to join that rat race?

If you can't be a mover and shaker then to a lot of people why not just drop out. Is the increase in his quality of life going to improve that much if he becomes an average non privileged yuppie.

"Steve Sailer was obviously using the ecosystem/native-species analogy."

I don't know if this is what Sailer intended when he coined the term HBD, but "Ethnic Genetic Interests" and "Group Strategies", as geneticists use the term, does in fact mean groups are wired to exterminate other groups.

This is a stupid argument for WNs to base their policies on because, first of all, it would mean all European subgroups are wired to exterminate other European subgroups because European ethnicities have unique gentic signatures, and I don't think further fratricidal wars between Europeans would be beneficial at this moment.

Additionally, there is no such thing as a group instinct to advance one's group because expending resources to help your group outside of your own children reduces your INDIVIDUAL fitness level.

In other words, the reason there is no instinct for group loyalty is because being a selfish asshole out for yourself (and not your tribe) yields a higher evolutionary benefit to pass on one's own INDIVIDUAL genes.

Gordon Gecko ("Greed is Good") has a better understanding of Darwinism than Frank Salter.

"Any political movement to preserve racial purity will not be pretty."

Race is important because of psychological TRAITS, not genetic similarity. If similarity were the purpose of evolution than all organisms would be wired to reproduce asexually, because what could offspring could be more genetically similar to oneself than a clone?

There are many instances where it is in the interests of someone to marry outside their immediate neighborhood if their mate has a desirable set of adaptive traits for one's environment.

For instance, would it be in the evolutionary interests of an attractive Scots-Irish American woman in West Virginia to have kids with a short, not to bright, Scots Irish truck driver from her hillbilly hometown in West Virginia with or to marry a tall, good looking, athletic, Slovakian American doctor with a 145 IQ?

Should she choose to reproduce based on similarity (the mediocre truck driver) or desirable traits (the talented Slovakian immigrant)?

"Any political movement to preserve racial purity will not be pretty."

Not necessarily. Thanks to IVF, mixed race people could be encouraged to maintain desireable European cognitive traits by using some combination of egg and/or sperm donors to have either "pure" or less admixed children.

IVF would be a far less morally objectionable (but equally effective) method of retaining European traits without resorting to genocide.

"I think “race realism” is flawed but better than HBD. All of this used to be common sense that didn’t require a label."

I'll admit that marketing of race realism has not been too good. Many race realists still idolize Adolf Hitler even though he was going to kill over a hundred million Eastern Slavs to pave the way for German Colonization in Eastern Europe.

And Hitler is hardly the only European leader in history who would be opposed to current Western immigration policies. I doubt Louis XIV or the Duke of Marlborough would be any more in favor of Nigerian immigrants living in France and Britain than Adolf Hitler would, yet Hitler is many race realists' favorite European leader even though there are far less objectionable and destructive European history makers to take inspiration from.

"The 1 to 4% of Neandertal DNA inside of us is Neandertal in origin."

The 1 to 4% of Neanderthal DNA Europeans and East Asians share cannot possibly be Neanderthal in origin because Neanderthals did not live in East Asia.

The Neanderthals lived in the Near East and Europe. Therefore, if humans did in fact mix with Neanderthals, we would expect Europeans to have far more Neanderthal admixture than East Asians do because the early Europeans were in contact with Neanderthals for a much longer period of time.

But since East Asians and Europeans share the same percentage of "Neanderthal DNA" this indicates that there was no adixture or else East Asians would have much less admixture than Europeans.

What the "Neanderthal" signature is is most likely some sort of archaic admixture between early East Asians and Europeans.

We know, for instance, that there appears to have been relatively recent gene flow between Europeans and East Asians in Russia and Scandinavia because both Russians and Scandis have some sort of "East Asian" genetic signature that doesn't appear in Europeans West of Ukraine and South of Scandinavia.

Whatever the Neanderthal signature is is not really Neanderthal in origin.

***I think “race realism” is flawed but better than HBD.***

HBD is far better because:

a) it doesn't mention race.

b) it involves the word "diversity".

***is hardly the only European leader in history who would be opposed to current Western immigration policies.***

Winston Churchill being one example.

islam is a right wing ideology
white right wing terrorism / islamic terrorism are just branches

"What normal life and career? A soul crushing 9-5 middle class job and a mediocre unfeminine modern wife? Who wants to join that rat race?

If you can't be a mover and shaker then to a lot of people why not just drop out. Is the increase in his quality of life going to improve that much if he becomes an average non privileged yuppie."

Well, if you want to couch your being a loser in terms that do not hurt your ego, you can put it that way.

"The 1 to 4% of Neanderthal DNA Europeans and East Asians share cannot possibly be Neanderthal in origin because Neanderthals did not live in East Asia."

All non-SS-Africans have some Neanderthal ancestry, not just Europeans and East Asians. This suggests that the introgression took place in the Middle East shortly after the Out-of-Africa event but before the Out-of-Africa migrants split into separate populations.

“HBD is far better because:
a) it doesn't mention race.
b) it involves the word ‘diversity’"

I know. You are trying to ingratiate yourself with the liberals, which seems a little desperate. You could argue that it has a tinge of irony, but either way, it does not work. I thought that was part of the point of all of this “beta-male” nonsense. The logic you describe also sacrifices the higher thinkers who consider implications for the lowest common denominator who require euphemisms to guide their thought. Even from the perspectives of dumb people, if you sound like you’re trying too hard, you will not be hip. Most people who are unfamiliar with the term will just ruffle their brow until they figure out what it means. Then, they will think that you are trying extra hard to hide your racist beliefs behind code and take that as evidence that you should and probably do feel ashamed of those beliefs.

***I know. You are trying to ingratiate yourself with the liberals, which seems a little desperate. You could argue that it has a tinge of irony, but either way, it does not work. ***

I believe it works far better than using the term "race realism". Some people simply switch off once you mention the word race. You at least engage their attention when you frame it in that manner.

Also, I disagree that you will turn off "higher thinkers". The term "human genetic diversity" was used in a Nature article by Bruce Lahn & Lanny Ebenstein. It's a useful euphemism that elites can tolerate while also retaining some meaning.

“‘Ethnic Genetic Interests’ and ‘Group Strategies,’ as geneticists use the term, does in fact mean groups are wired to exterminate other groups.”

I am no expert on this, but I did enjoy Razib’s interview with David Sloan Wilson on Bloggingheads. I seemed to catch an impression from Razib that group selection was gaining new respect. Wilson’s take on it seemed a lot more nuanced and plausible than the theorizing of JP Rushton or Kevin MacDonald. To me, the important point to take away from it is not that groups must make war with other groups but simply that evolution is not bounded by requirements for simplicity. The same point concerns the application of chaos theory to understanding some manifestations of evolution. In general, Darwinism has required revisions. So, it is often now referred to as the “neo-Darwinian synthesis.”

In any case, I am not sure why you brought up the subject. I was referring to the “biodiversity” analogy, which is extremely awkward. I shall give it credit for one insight: just as non-native species can destabilize an ecosystem by having novel advantages or no natural predators, an immigrant or outsider group can have a specialized talent. For example, Malcolm X asserted that blacks are natural dancers. However, there is a contradiction in the view that mixing is a form of pollution like “pissing in the gene pool.” If mixed breeds are so inferior, then natural selection will weed them out (assuming humanity does not forever neutralize all natural selection).

“Many race realists still idolize Adolf Hitler”

Of course, it is unfortunate for anyone to idolize him. I would consider it serious challenge to materialism/atheism, though, to define Hitler as Satan. It is also a missed opportunity to understand the mind of someone who would commit genocide. He was not some violent delinquent or schizophrenic. I do recall hearing a man, who I think is a Jewish historian, tell Terry Gross on NPR that the holocaust evolved. He said it began as a desire to deport Jews and moved on to systematic killing with gradually increasing efficiency. I have also read a small amount about the Taylor thesis. It makes more sense to me that the true source of evil is human mediocrity or the sacrificing of many ideals for a few, as compared to mere historical splitting. Please do not consider any of that as a defense of Hitler’s actions.

“The Neanderthals lived in the Near East and Europe.”

Like JL said, the mixing is thought to have occurred prior to the branching into Europeans and Asians. Obviously modern racial groups did not exist then, but my point was that the long-long-term consequences of mixing are not devastating genetic pollution.

Norway reimposes border controls

http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=130523

Why would a guy make female characters?

Anders Breivik's making female characters almost seems Silence of the Lambs-esque.

"I seemed to catch an impression from Razib that group selection was gaining new respect. Wilson’s take on it seemed a lot more nuanced and plausible than the theorizing of JP Rushton or Kevin MacDonald."

Group selection does lead to extermination in evolutionary models (even if Sloan Wilson, who just appears to be repeating older arguments he's made which have already been debunked) and this has always been known among geneticists even before kevin macdonald and rushton began writing on the subject.

And group selection is still a minority view among geneticists because under most evolutionary models, kin selection yields greater reproductive value than group selection because "group" altruism reduces individual fitness too much to be viable in almost all cases whereas kin selection has been proven to be mathematically optimal in almost all cases.

"He was not some violent delinquent or schizophrenic."

LOL you seem very eager to downplay to destruction Hitler brought to gentiles (especially Slavs) just because Hitler killed 6 million Jews.

Hitler was arguably the worst and most irredeemably self-destructive European of all time.

Even from a White Nationalist perspective, he was a disaster because he was well on his way to being the greatest mass murderer of Europeans of all time (even not counting the Holocaust) had he not been stopped at Moscow and Stalingrad.

And multiculturalism wouldn't have come into existence if not for him because he hijacked the European right and turned conservatism into an elaborate cult of personality. Hitler was the best thing that ever happened to the left because he completely destroyed European conservatism and indirectly wounded American conservatism.

What redeeming feature did he bring that made his rule worth all of the Europeans he killed in a totally unneccessary war?

Nazi crimes against ethnic Poles

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_crimes_against_ethnic_Poles

From the start of the war against Poland, Germany intended to realize the plan laid-out by the Nazi leader Adolf Hitler in his 1926 book Mein Kampf. The aim of this plan was to turn Eastern Europe into part of greater Germany, the so-called German Lebensraum ("living space"). Nazi ideology had viewed Slavs as a racially inferior group.[5] On August 22, 1939, on the invasion of Poland, Hitler gave explicit permission to his commanders to kill "without pity or mercy, men, women, and children of Polish descent or language".[6] Genocide was conducted systematically against Polish people: on September 7, 1939 Reinhard Heydrich stated that all Polish nobles, clergy and Jews are to be killed, on September 12 Wilhelm Keitel added intelligentsia to the list, at the end of 1940 Hitler demanded liquidation of "all leading elements in Poland" and on March 15, 1940, Himmler stated All Polish specialists will be exploited in our military-industrial complex. Later, all Poles will disappear from this world. It is imperative that the great German nation considers the elimination of all Polish people as its chief task.[7]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost

Generalplan Ost envisaged differing percentages of the various conquered nations undergoing Germanization (for example, 50% of Czechs, 35% of Ukrainians and 25% of Belarusians), extermination, expulsion and other fates, the net effect of which would be to ensure that the conquered territories would be Germanized. In ten years' time, the plan effectively called for the extermination, expulsion, Germanization or enslavement of most or all East and West Slavs living behind the front lines in Europe. The "Small Plan" was to be put into practice as the Germans conquered the areas to the east of their pre-war borders. In this way the plan for Poland was drawn up at the end of November 1939 and is probably responsible for much of the World War II expulsion of Poles by Germany. After the war, under the "Big Plan", Generalplan Ost foresaw the deportation of 45 million non-Germanizable people from Eastern Europe, of whom 31 million were "racially undesirable", 100% of Jews, Poles (85%), Belorussians (75%) and Ukrainians (65%), to West Siberia,[3] and about 14 millions were to remain, but were to be treated as slaves.[5] In their place, up to 8-10 million Germans would be settled in an extended "living space" (Lebensraum). Because the number of Germans appeared to be insufficient to populate the vast territories of Eastern Europe, the peoples judged to lie racially between the Germans and the Russians (Mittelschicht), namely, Latvians, Estonians, and even Czechs, were also supposed to be resettled there.[9]

While the Baltic nations like Estonians would be spared from repressions and physical liquidation that Jews or Poles were experiencing, in the long term the Nazi planners did not foresee their existence as independent entitites and they would be deported as well, with eventual denationalisation; initial designs were for Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia to be Germanized within 25 years, however Heinrich Himmler revised them to 20 years.[10]

In 1941 it was decided to destroy the Polish nation completely and the German leadership decided that in 10 to 20 years the Polish state under German occupation was to be fully cleared of any ethnic Poles and settled by German colonists.[11] A majority of them, now deprived of their leaders and most of their intelligentsia (through human losses, destruction of culture, the ban on education above the absolutely basic level, and kidnapping of promising children for Germanization), would have to be deported to regions in the East and scattered over as wide an area of Western Siberia as possible. According to the plan this would result in their assimilation by the local populations, which would cause the Poles to vanish as a nation.[9] By 1952, only about 3-4 million non-Germanized Poles (all of them peasants) were to be left residing in the former Poland. Those of them who would still not Germanize were to be forbidden to marry, the existing ban on any medical help to Poles in Germany would be extended, and eventually Poles would cease to exist. Experiments in mass sterilization in concentration camps may also have been intended for use on the populations.[12] The Wehrbauer, or soldier-peasants, would be settled in a fortified line to prevent civilization arising beyond and threatening Germany.[13]

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