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September 23, 2011

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“We need to be educating these children because they will become a drag on our society.”

1. Do we need to subsidize their education, when Americans from out of Texas have to pay the full cost?

2. Why will they become a burden? Illegal immigrants are not supposed to get welfare. if Perry admits they are a burden, even more reason to deport.

***“We need to be educating these children because they will become a drag on our society.”****

Not if you send them back to Mexico.

Another politician giving away the store. Yawn.

If this is the crap the Republicans are going to push, I'll just vote for some fringe candidate. At least congressional Republicans will be properly suspicious of a second-term Barack Obama, while they'd roll over and do tricks for Perry, just like they did for his predecessor.

Half Sigma,
I hate to be unoriginal but this is just another elite vs. non-elite immigration issue. I work with an American born daughter of Pakistani immigrants. It's a typical immigrant story. Parents own two convenience stores, daughter gets a degree in accounting, gets a job as an auditor at a public accounting firm.

However, I have to say that she is in general a step below similar middle class native born Americans. I think part of that is being raised in a large American city as opposed to a middle class suburb but I just can't see how the average American benefits from her family being here. Nothing against Pakistan. I would say the same thing about lower middle-class immigrants from England or Germany too. There are just very few types of immigrants that benefit first-world industrialized nations.

Perry is absolutely awful on immigration. If elected, he will be much more dangerous on this issue than Obama, because the Republicans in Congress are much less likely to oppose him.

Sorry, HS, but I can't stand Romney either. Here's a story about how he rewrote the second edition of his book ("No Apology") to change his positions of health care and the stimulus package: http://thephoenix.com/boston/news/115412-mitt-rewrites-himself/

I know you like him, HS, but he seems to me to be a run-of-the-mill pol, a flip-flopping northeastern RINO who lacks core convictions. He said one thing to get elected governor of liberal Massachusetts, but when he runs for president and has to appeal to a broader, much more conservative GOP audience, he says something else.

I'll vote for him if he gets the Republican nomination, as I will for Perry, but I really don't like either one.

"At least congressional Republicans will be properly suspicious of a second-term Barack Obama"

You hit nail on the head. Republicans are great as opposition, but awful as a ruling party.

"they’ve been brought here by no fault of their own"

This argument disgusts me. Parents are supposed to take responsibility for their children. If parents know they risk having their children deported to a country they hardly know as young adults, maybe they would be less likely to sneak their families here in the first place. Conversely, if parents know their children upon turning 18 will become de facto amnestied, if not de jure given our treasonous elites, they are going to be far more likely to sneak their families here. This is basic incentives and obvious to anyone not being intentionally obtuse.

Its time to dispense with this flimsy argument whenever its put forward. Parents in Mexico and Latin America need to be responsible for the future well-being of their children, just as parents here in the US are expected to be. We can empathize with the children's plight, but we as a country don't owe them anything. Their parents, however, certainly owe their children an explanation for such irresponsible behavior.

Are any of the Republican candidates good on immigration?

I hung with the local GOP 5-6 years, and it struck me that the rank and file are petrified of any position that could come off as racist. There must be some history there, in fact I'm sure there is going back to the Silent Majority days when lots of voters split off to vote for Wallace.

Whatever it is, it's rendering them impotent on the most important issue IMO.

Santorum called him out--it's not that the illegals are being educated, but that they are being subsidized by tax payers from all the other states, not just those from Texas (since state unis receive federal funds in many ways).

The same is true in CA. A kid living one step over the CA-Nevada state line at Lake Tahoe must pay out of state tuition to attend a CA uni while the illegal does not. Not fair.

Perry, like all pols, wanted Hispanic votes--so much for conservatism.

He performed badly last night.

Romney - "I actually wrote my book"

I bet Obama wishes he could endorse Rick Perry for the nomination.

“We need to be educating these children because they will become a drag on our society.”

Very surprised that no one followed up on Perry's assertion with a reminder that even with a taxpayer-bought college degree those people still can't work here because they're ILLEGAL. Somebody, anybody should have caught that and asked Perry if that could be taken to mean he's in favor of amnesty. Perry's candidacy could have and should have been shot down for good last night, but nobody went for the jugular.

God help us if Perry is the nominee. "Heart" or "compassion" or whatever you want to call it is not a legitimate function of the federal government, that's the purview of religious organizations and private charities.

All patriotic Americans should be single-issue voters: that issue is immigration and there is very little time left for any other considerations.

What Perry advocates is a form of treachory to this country. He should stick to cheerleading for better men than he.

>>Perry is absolutely awful on immigration. If elected, he will be much more dangerous on this issue than Obama, because the Republicans in Congress are much less likely to oppose him.


I'll vote for him if he gets the Republican nomination, as I will for Perry, but I really don't like either one.<<<

Black Death, this may not make a lot of sense. Immigration is the issue that faces us. If we don't get immigration straightened out it will be futile to even worry about anything else.
Demographics will leave us doomed.

If I here move of this crap from Republicans I will gladly pull the lever for Obama in '12. As everyone now understand, McCain would have been a disaster. As someone else mentioned, maybe Republicans are only suitable in the opposition.

Santorum and Bachmann are the only two candidates who "get" immigration. Perry, Romney, and Obama are all terrible on it. Since those are the three candidates who might win, you're going to have to find other issues besides immigration to base your vote on.

"He also said he opposed building a 1,200-mile fence because it would not work. "

Which Rick Perry knows due to his PHD in civil engineering.

"“We need to be educating these children because they will become a drag on our society.” "

I agree. Educate these children - in their nations of origin. Mexico has schools, so I don't see why we have an obligation to school them here.

Not for nothing, but Perry looks like he might have a little Mexican blood in him.

"Not for nothing, but Perry looks like he might have a little Mexican blood in him."

Our next presidente, Ricardo Perez.

"Santorum and Bachmann are the only two candidates who 'get' immigration."
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Nope.

You know the line from "Me and Bobby McGee": "Freedom's just another word for nothin' left to lose"?

Everyone--conservatives, liberals, and libertarians, pols, and regular Joes and Janes--all of us "get it." It's just that some of us have more to lose than others when it comes to telling others we do get it.

Santorum and Bachmann just have nothing to lose. Even if voicing un-pc positions or those that lose them potential voters make them second and third tier candidates, it's a net gain, for that's more than they were when they started. After all, Santorum lost his Senate seat. He's been in Political IrrelevancyLand for some time. He stands to gain national name recognition and a job of some sort with some think tank, some network, some something, by coming out with guns blazing. Same with Bachmann. She was a nobody until she saw an opening with the Tea Party Congressional Caucus and until she saw Palin wavering about running.

If either went to bed tonight convinced by the polls and the press that he or she was on the verge of winning the Presidency, each would be unable to fall asleep. They'd see Hispanic voters in their heads all night, and the next day, they'd moderate their language and their position.

Bravery is often nothing more than the realization that "I've nothing to lose and something to gain.

I'm sure Mahmoud Ahmadinejad would have a sensible policy on immigration.

"I would say the same thing about lower middle-class immigrants from England or Germany too."

But they wouldn't get minority business loans, preferences over Americans and so forth. Likewise they'd be the least likely groups to effect a demographic displacement here, for any number of reasons. Lastly they don't have the ability to exploit chain migration to its absolute fullest as compared with areas that have 20-50% cousin marriage.

"I'm sure Mahmoud Ahmadinejad would have a sensible policy on immigration."

For Iran perhaps.

"Perry, Romney, and Obama are all terrible on it."

No, they're not ALL terrible on it. All over the internet people claim Romney and Perry are both terrible on immigration. Have you WATCHED any of the debates? Perry is terrible, and Romney is as conservative as he can be on the issue. It's like these people who don't trust Romney are blind and deaf to reality.

"It's like these people who don't trust Romney are blind and deaf to reality."

Gee, could that be because Romney is an elitist pussy who is RINO on so many issues that they don't see any reason to trust his sudden conversion to supposed conservatism on this one?

Anyone here, besides me, actually met anyone who was deported? Or know anyone personally (not just service employees of whom you're suspicious) who came here illegally? I suspect Rick Perry does. It makes a difference. And, Perry probably has figured out that many more Hispanics would vote Republican if they weren't afraid of the anti-immigrant folks.

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