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December 29, 2011

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"the educational system is 100% laser focused on the gap in reading and math scores"

No it's not.

Yes, and another reason could be that black people are ten-times more likely to have MAOA 2R, which is associated with a doubling of violent delinquency and serious delinquency.


the educational system is 100% laser focused on the gap in reading and math scores


If only. But I do agree that teaching respect for authority would be nice.
Instead, we get lots of stories about Bull Connor, FBI surveillance of King (IMO, they wouldn't be doing their job if they weren't, but I digress) and how "the man" is out for you.

"I also believe that schools need to train low-IQ low-future-time-orientation students to be more polite, as part of the training in middle-class values."

1) Pay non-white immigrants (40% of whom don't have high school educations) $100,000 per family member to leave. This will free up more space for whites to move to and make more land available to horde violent blacks into government subsidized ghettos.

2) Do more to dissuade inner city blacks from having children, either directly (by, say spiking inner city school drinking fountains with birth control pills) or further cutting welfare payments to make it harder for blacks to afford children. If they breed it, they feed it.

Our education sysem- ranks and files of desks, students listening and receiving information from an authority figure- is Prussian. Its obvious advantage is that it is far more cost effective than older methods of one or a few students working with a teacher or tutor. Works well, or has historically worked well for northern Europeans. Can work for southern Europeans. Works well for northern Asians.

But there is no reason to believe any cost effective system will work with a large portion of the African population. The people hurt worst by this are the well-behaved black kids who have their educations destroyed. Disciplinary classrooms for the disruptive would be the best way to cope, but it won't happen.

Trust me on this, white students might be suspended for "disrespect, defiance, insubordination, disruption, or foul language", but no black student is going to be.

In the future look for them to shrink the disciplinary gap by either not disciplining black students for even worse infractions than they currently are, or for whites to be disciplined for infractions such as: forgetting to date a paper, spelling errors, spending too much time using the water fountain, etc ...

Actually, it's the Sixties that's the problem here. You can't spank kids or even train them to be respectful anymore, because that would be hierarchical and hence bad.

I agree - those with low IQs but who have social skills are employable at McDonalds, etc. Those with low IQs & no social skills are not employable.

"I also believe that schools need to train low-IQ low-future-time-orientation students to be more polite, as part of the training in middle-class values."

But what do we do when the underclass NAMs and whatnot failing "Middle Class Life Skills" or whatever you'd call it, at a rate far above whites and Asians? You've just added a whole new gap to waste time and money trying to remedy.

"""I agree - those with low IQs but who have social skills are employable at McDonalds, etc. Those with low IQs & no social skills are not employable."""

I think we may have hit on something here.

Is there an IQ range that can not be taught social skills?

We have all seen a Down Syndrome person employed somewhere, and while they may not be able to remember that its bun bottom, burger, cheeese, kethup & mustard, finally bun top; they are able to walk around the dining room and sweep up and wipe off tables.

Could it be that from say 65 to 85 IQ there is aggression because they know there are things that they can't do that almost everyone else can and it results in frustration that vents as aggression?

Could it be that if the IQ is low enough,, they are just happy to do, and try to do as well as possible?

"Trust me on this, white students might be suspended for "disrespect, defiance, insubordination, disruption, or foul language", but no black student is going to be."

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I don't know where you get the idea that disruptive black students are given easier treatment. They are suspended and expelled frequently, at many times the rate of whites.

"Is there an IQ range that can not be taught social skills?"

Having taken CS classes, it's not just about IQ.

I'm sure many of you have read this Marty Nemko post before, but if not...

http://martynemko.blogspot.com/2009/06/white-teacher-speaks-out-what-is-it.html

@The Undiscovered Jew
"Pay non-white immigrants (40% of whom don't have high school educations) $100,000 per family member to leave"

What??? US is rich, but not that rich. Millions will come there just to take that money, and in two years they will come again for a refill. I would, even if I'm not interested in emigrating in US.

I'm European, lived in US for a couple of months (travel not emigration), but I knew lots of illegal immigrants from US (whites and Mexicans) so I now very well how US system allows illegal emigrants to stay in US.
Your system encourage illegal emigrants to come in US and have babies as soon as they arrive. A US born child is US citizen (US constitution). After birth, the new citizen needs care, so the parents are allowed to stay (this is the Mexican strategy). Whites don't do that so often because most whites don't have kids without having a secured future.
So, if you really don't want more Mexicans in US, change your constitution and close the border.

Having gone to a majority black school, including the teachers, the issue is not racial chips on the shoulder. That is something learned later in life. It is really just an inborn difference in the degree of thought before acting and speaking.

Smart black kids are also very vocal and active too.

I also think my school did do its best in instilling middle class values.

I remember black teachers using shame and making fun of kids using Ebonics frequently. They also gave out hygiene kits and reminded kids "you need to bathe daily including washing your butt"

I think inner city schools, at least the ones I went to, did the best they could. The problem is that expectations are simply too high.

Thrasymachus and others have made potent comments here. Our system was "Prussian" when I was a child but has deteriorated much since the Sixties revolution. Teacher authority was destroyed as liberal ptotagonists besieged all signs of authority. Today the entire edifice is being aggressively inverted as every black child is worshipped and given mentors, advisors, and other adjunct assistants. Gates' 100M bet in Tampa, Florida, that young, aggressive, brain-washed teachers will bridge "the gap" is going to emaciate the entire teaching profession and make "normalcy" nearly impossible.

Once upon a time I went to a N.J. high school with the late Carl Sagan and other geniuses.We had about 100 blacks out of 1100 students. These kids accepted an education in the trades while smarter white kids were geared up for college. In four years I never saw a black student in class but their general conduct in our "Prussian" school was unremarkable. They were as happy as we were! Today, they are daily worshipped as Gods whose history was damaged by naughty Whites. Every artifice is directed toward the meme of equality that is entirely illusory. The force of Gates' 100M is going to be deadly as Liberal creationists create potentially irreversible damage. The white students I enjoyed for four years were a protected class indeed, for their special status was based upon a Darwinian reality that is today viewed with disdain by all good liberals. Their Frankensteinian experment will lead to an educational morass, a jungle of academic slime from which our country will perhaps never recover. Liberal ideals based upon falsehoods defy science and commonsense. Is it too late?

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