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February 10, 2012

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God's choice of Abel's offering over Cain's is usually attributed to the idea that the conflicts in much of Genesis are between the Pastoral (nomadic herding) lifestyle and that of the settled agricultural class. There is a strong resistance to the settled lifestyle throughout, often represented by the ills of drunkenness arising from the cultivation of grapes. Abel's sacrifice was that of the first of the flock, and this wins God's favor over Cain's first harvest. A lot of the OT makes more sense if you view it this way.

Not even dignifying him with a link, huh?

"I really getting sick and tired of HBD bloggers blaming everything on the Jews."

Perhaps a very good reason why HBD should be kept out of the mainstream? People aren't able to use the information without resorting to ignorance and demagoguery. Or maybe there really is an international Jewish conspiracy to control the world? (or a black one or an asian one or a muslim one?)

Judaism is not monolithic. Liberal Jews stray from "traditional Judaism" in a lot of ways, do they not? That's why there is a distinction between "Orthodox" and "Reformed", right? Therefore it is entirely possible that liberal Jews are responsible for vegetarianism even though eating meat is a traditional part of Judaism and more conservative Jews don't believe in vegetarianism.

Here we see there is an entire book on Judaism and Vegetarianism:

http://www.amazon.com/Judaism-Vegetarianism-Richard-H-Schwartz/dp/1930051247

And see also this:

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/rabbinicveg.html

I'm not saying this unknown HBD blogger is correct and Jews are to blame for vegetarianism. I'm simply saying you haven't proved they aren't.

OneSDTV is one of the few HDBers that actually lay off Jews a good deal. I think it was more for his commenters more than anything else..

Foseti said altright bloggers cry about progressivism without understanding the US is a Puritan, progressive country- which was a response to OneSTDV as well.

When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. Whiskey's hammer is feminism; mine is Victorian non-conformist Christianity, but that covers feminism as well.

I never know what is going to come next at that place.

Which begs the question of why anyone should be "blamed" for vegetarianism. It's not everyone's lifestyle choice, but it's certainly not blameworthy. Very, very few vegetarians, not even the PETA types, want to force their lifestyle on others.

nothing says vegetarianism more that a religion in which you are ritually REQUIRED to display a roasted lamb shank on a ceremonial plate once a year in commemoration of animal sacrifice. as jews become decreasingly OBSERVANT they become increasingly culturally leftist because that's the elite INTELLECTUAL culture

i said it on the other blog and ill say it here--jews tend towards clever silly intellectualism in huge numbers per capita, anything the clever sillies do, jews will be on the forefront of. ALSO, jews are very much like a cat thinking they make the catfood can open every morning, they glom onto things that are already happening and are really proud of their participation in it and take credit for it very conspicuously.

Don't worry: the movement for blaming Jews for everything is probably led by Jews.

[HS: Murray Rothbard was a prominent figure in the paleoconservative blame Jews movement.]

Why does Half Sigma assert that vegetarianism is blameworthy instead of praiseworthy? The main evil of vegetarianism is that selfish vegans live longer than average and sop up more than their fair share of entitlement benefits.

HS, interesting comment about Rothbard. To what are you referring? I ask because I'm familiar with a lot of Rothbard's works, and I even attended a few lectures by him.

Some of the bad guys in Rothbard's opinion were Abe Lincoln, the Social Gospel movement, the Morgan and Rockefeller banking cartels, George Bush, and the neoconservatives. Rothbard definitely was highly opinionated and didn't mind picking fights, but I don't recall him blaming Jews.

Disgruntled,

You are just seeing HS's irrational hatred of Ron Paul and anyone Dr. Paul considers an intellectual hero (such as Rothbard).

It is because Dr. Paul doesn't think the Israeli lobby should dictate US foreign policy and he believes that perhaps Israeli interests aren't enough to justify sending gentile sons to their death in foreign lands.

[HS: We haven't sent any gentiles to die for Israel (someone will probably find some exception but as a general principle we haven't). For South Korea, South Vietnam, Kuwait, yes. But for Israel we never got involved in any wars.]

When the local supermarket runs out of regular half & half but still has two rows of fat-free half & half, I know exactly who to blame ....

It's the coloreds that work there's fault.

But I guess it could be the Jews.

"I really getting sick and tired of HBD bloggers blaming everything on the Jews." - Half Sigma


Nobody is blaming the Jews for EVERYTHING. They are blaming them for SOME things. Without leftist Jews liberalism would be far weaker than it is. That's undeniable. Before you accuse me of articulating another holocaust let me get to my next point;

"Don't worry: the movement for blaming Jews for everything is probably led by Jews." - dearieme

Indeed it often is. Very prominent Marxist Jews have even called for the destruction of Israel. Nobody should be above critique but it appears that unless you have Jewish credentials you can't even think there is anything wrong. That's very PC.

It is sometimes said that the original dispensation to Adam and Eve was vegatarian, Abel's flocks notwithstanding. Permission to eat meat was first granted to Noah and his descendants after the flood.

Melissa Bachman: not Jewish. Google her and view her childhood pictures.

[HS: I looked at the pictures and don't see anything in there inconsistent with her not being Jewish. Most interesting is the photo where it looks like they are opening holiday gifts, but I don't see a Christmas tree.]

You respond to my post (well, you didn\\\'t actually provide any counter-argument, you merely asserted I am wrong) without actually linking to my post?!??!

The argument is simple:
-Gary Taubes, not exactly a Jew-hater, claims that there was postwar bias against German science.
-Germans had pioneered work showing the main cause of modern disease and obesity, at odds with the \\\"saturated fat = bad\\\" current nutritional paradigm.
-There was a postwar rise of Jewish scientists and intellectuals in America, partly from Jews fleeing Europe and bringing with them an anti-German bias (understandable of course).
-Food is an extremely important part of any culture.
-Since Jews did (do) not eat traditional white Christian American foods like pork, steak, bacon, ham, and hunting game (try serving deer or rabbit to an NYC cosmopolitan), they felt left out.
-So Jewish nutritional researchers sought to devalue one component of traditional Christian American culture that made them feel left out - RED, non-kosher meat. Note that the current paradigm is mostly OK with chicken and fish (Jewish food staples), but definitely not bacon and ham (non-kosher red meat).
-And thus we get the current nutritional paradigm that stigmatizes fatty meats and glorifies plant food, i.e. vegetarianism.

Note that all of these social and scientific phenomenon occurred at the exact same time (around the 1950s).

It\\\'s not a Jewish conspiracy, anymore than the current nutritional paradigm now pushed by Jews and non-Jews alike is a conspiracy. It\\\'s merely Jewish scientists acting duplicity (you\\\'ve written posts about the lies of modern nutritional research, global warming, and liberal creationism) in order to make themselves less of outsiders.

I absolutely can not understand how you can interpret any of that as controversial or anywhere near the stuff KMac acolytes espouse.

[HS: Jews eat steak. Where'd you get the idea that Jews don't eat steak?

Furthermore, deer is inherently kosher. Jews don't hunt because they tended to live in cities where there aren't any opportunities to go hunting.

Rural Jews like Melissa Bachman hunt (although it's not proven that she's Jewish, but whenever some liberal has a Jewish last name, the Jew-haters on the web accuse him or her of being Jewish).]

You respond to my post (well, you didn\\\'t actually provide any counter-argument, you merely asserted I am wrong) without actually linking to my post?!??!

The argument is simple:
-Gary Taubes, not exactly a Jew-hater, claims that there was postwar bias against German science.
-Germans had pioneered work showing the main cause of modern disease and obesity, at odds with the \\\"saturated fat = bad\\\" current nutritional paradigm.
-There was a postwar rise of Jewish scientists and intellectuals in America, partly from Jews fleeing Europe and bringing with them an anti-German bias (understandable of course).
-Food is an extremely important part of any culture.
-Since Jews did (do) not eat traditional white Christian American foods like pork, steak, bacon, ham, and hunting game (try serving deer or rabbit to an NYC cosmopolitan), they felt left out.
-So Jewish nutritional researchers sought to devalue one component of traditional Christian American culture that made them feel left out - RED, non-kosher meat. Note that the current paradigm is mostly OK with chicken and fish (Jewish food staples), but definitely not bacon and ham (non-kosher red meat).
-And thus we get the current nutritional paradigm that stigmatizes fatty meats and glorifies plant food, i.e. vegetarianism.

Note that all of these social and scientific phenomenon occurred at the exact same time (around the 1950s).

It\\\'s not a Jewish conspiracy, anymore than the current nutritional paradigm now pushed by Jews and non-Jews alike is a conspiracy. It\\\'s merely Jewish scientists acting duplicity (you\\\'ve written posts about the lies of modern nutritional research, global warming, and liberal creationism) in order to make themselves less of outsiders.

I absolutely can not understand how you can interpret any of that as controversial or anywhere near the stuff KMac acolytes espouse.

"Melissa Bachman is probably Jewish"

Hadn't heard of her, but after clicking on the link, I'm guessing she's as Jewish as Michelle Bachmann.

[HS: You're just assuming she's not Jewish because she hunts, which is ridiculous because I'm sure Jews can hunt as well as gentiles if they put the effort into learning how to do it.]

I think the common factor is the guilt.

Most HBDers exaggerate their intelligence level. Most HBDers have average IQ that is why they are always blaming someone else and that is why they live such unremarkable lives. If most HBDers were as intelligent as they claim, why are they so average in their lives? It’s like second string bench warmer, blaming Lebron James for taking their spot.

[HS: If a large number of my readers scored a perfect 15 on the religion quiz, then I have a lot of very smart readers.

As I've written many times, low IQ has a much higher correlation with poverty than high IQ has with wealth.]

I don't think Jews are disproportionately represented at the upper echelons of the athletic movement. (wink, wink)

On another topic, your friends at Google now have a 'Remove' link next to your name and Steve Sailer's when either one is entered in.

Arthur Jensen is Jewish?

One reason why "Jews" are so disproportionately overrepresented at the higher echelons of every movement is the Jewish habit of claiming everybody with any Jewish ancestry for themselves.

It was a poor piece by OneSTDV though. His blogging has been weak of late.

[HS: Arthur Jensen's mother was Jewish, so that makes him Jewish enough even for orthodox rabbis.]

Jesus, it's a good thing HS is Jewish. The way he often casts the media as a conscious monolithic entity could only mean he would attack Jews for trying to destroy America.

"[HS: You're just assuming she's not Jewish because she hunts, which is ridiculous because I'm sure Jews can hunt as well as gentiles if they put the effort into learning how to do it.]"

There are Jewish hunters. But you're just assuming she's Jewish because she's got a Germanic last name and dark hair. In the Midwest, where she is from, people with Germanic last names are usually gentiles of German ancestry. Such as Michelle Bachmann.

HS, Jews really are a causally important part of left wing movements. You can argue that they are a causally important part of all movements, but they have been particularly disproportionate in left-liberal-communist ideologies.
Almost the entire Frankfurt school was Jewish, and the Frankfurt school has been catastrophically influential. You can argue that this is simply because Jews are high IQ, but that can't explain the phenomena. Even if we assume that critical theory as as G loaded as theoretical physics, the Jewish representation shouldn't be more than 1/4 or 1/3.

Accept the painfully obvious: Jewish cultural traits, including a reasonable fear of European ethnocentricism and an affinity for the victim manifests as a tendency to favor cultural marxist or generally left wing perspectives.

Pointing to Jewish preponderancy in the HBD movement doesn't necessarily negate the thesis. HBD is likely true, given current evidence. But in order to see that you have to think logically and independently. HBD belief therefore probably tracks with G, so if you hold political tendencies constant the more intelligent will be more represented in HBD.

Unrelated--- It sounds like Peter Thiel gets HBD, see the last two questions in this interview.
http://www.the-american-interest.com/article.cfm?piece=1187

The funny thing about OneSTDV's post is that the most heated comments aren't about Jews at all. They're the ones from guys ranting about the low carb dieting conspiracy.

I didn't know Peter Singer was Jewish until I just looked it up. Anyway, all the vegetarians I know were gentile females and anti-animal cruelty movement was a big part of it.

I think people blame Jews for this vegetable thing as a way of keeping Jews out of the media. It's really hideous. Why isn't there an affirmative action program to help Jews (an historically disadvantaged group in the media) from getting a leg up.

They ain't asking for handout. Just a hand.

Oops, it seems like Google's 'Remove' link appears for other unrelated sites too. I entered 'Orange Juice' and there was no 'Remove' link, then prematurely concluded that Google had this option for its less favorable sites.

Sorry for the false alarm.

Mr. Sigma,
Re: Jewishness of Bachman. There is a red, ornamented, beribboned piece of Christmas tchotchke under the fern in the picture where the family is opening presents.

Quote: "Jews have higher IQs than gentiles"

Wrong. Ashkenazi Jews have higher average IQs than gentiles. Your statement makes it sound like all Jews are more intelligent than all gentiles which is not true.

[HS: Funny how no one seems to object when I say that whites have higher IQs than NAMs without adding the implicit qualifiers.]

Melissa Bachman is clearly a regular miswestern German white girl. A true daughter of nature. I'm not sure a Jewess could fake that.

They did try to screw up Glenn Beck's talk and censor Pat Buchanan, so it's not too nuts, Eazy.

Hitler was a vegetarian. The movie Downfall amusingly works this in.

Hitler's vegetarianism had nothing to do with animal love or nature worship. He thought that a meatless diet would help relieve his chronic stomach problems, a common belief at the time.

Many Jews enjoy the notion that they are intellectullay superior to gentiles.

Are they?

One might suggest that Jews are superior to most Gentiles but is that really saying anything?

Not really. If we were to eliminate all gentiles but the the top 2% for IQ we would find that the remainder were equally bright and equally capable.

One significant source of anti-semitism is the tendency of some Jews to treat their intellectual equals as their inferiors.

A manifestation of NPD really.

[HS: One may equally say that a lot of blog readers enjoy the notion that white people are intellectually superior to blacks. So it's hypocritical to get mad at Jews for allegedly feeling the same way. Though in reality, most Jews deny HBD and therefore don't actually feel the way you are accusing them of feeling.]

I've seen the avg. German I.Q. around 110/112. I think that's Ashkenazi ballbark. The difference is the Germans are are rooted in the land and do not need a host population to thrive.

The jews should have taken Madagascar or some large tract of useful land when they had the chance.

>"Wrong. Ashkenazi Jews have higher average IQs than gentiles."


Even that's not quite correct. Better to say:

"There is some evidence to suggest that Ashkenazi Jews living in America have a higher average IQ than the average white person, of whom Ashkenazi Jews are a subset."

"Gentiles" is a stupid term here. Blacks are gentiles. Apache indians are gentiles. "Gentiles" simply means "people other than Jews", and not "white people who are not Jewish".

There's a lot of evidence that Ashkenazi Jews in Israel do not have the same IQ as those in the US.

>"HS: Arthur Jensen's mother was Jewish"

There's that old "one drop rule" again. According to wikipedia, Jensen's mother was half Jewish. Under any sensible understanding of genetics that would make Jensen (at most) one quarter Jewish.

But the way these things work, or the way Jews prefer them to work, is that any degree of Jewishness trumps everything else. Jews tend to flip back and forth between "Jewish law" and "genetics" as it suits them.

Actually, I know a lot of progressives who want me to do this or that (indulge NAMS, say, in any number of ways) who don't indulge NAMS themselves, since they don't have to, living as they do in communities where no house would ever become a section 8, no school would ever be turned ghetto. They see NAMS on tv, pass them once in a while in airports, smile condescendingly to them in the hotels at which NAMS serve them.

Aren't most JEWS in this country progressives?

As for vegetarianism, I've no idea if Jews are more prone to practice it than others, but I do think the very definition of a progressive is one who thinks he knows what is best for others (which is not illegal, after all) and one who feels he must, through the government, mandate that others do what he thinks is best for them (which, while it might be legal, is certainly immoral).

So, I have no trouble with the idea that if they haven't already, Jews in America might just demand I and mine eat less meat, work toward becoming either vegetarians or even a vegan.

Not hard to believe at all, given their propensity to know what's best for others.

In his most recent book, Richard Lynn estimates an average Ashkenazi IQ of 110. In a previous book, he estimated an average German IQ of 107. With an average European-origin non-Jewish IQ around 100, obviously all Ashkenazi Jews are not smarter than all European-origin non-Jews, and the total number of highly intelligent European non-Jews (and Chinese) outnumbers the total number of highly intelligent Ashkenazim. However, the proportion of Ashkenazim who are highly intelligent is higher than the proportion of European non-Jews who are highly intelligent.

Sending the European Jews to Madagascar was a never-implemented Nazi resettlement plan considered and ultimately rejected in favor of an exterminationist policy. I don't believe that Madagascar was ever actually offered to the Jews prior to that, and in any case it was already inhabited. Uganda, which actually was offered to the Jews by the British, was also inhabited and would have been a mistake to accept given what happened to the British and Indians there during Idi Amin's rule.

I'm a vegetarian because I think the cost benefit analysis of animals being intensively farmed and slaughtered isn't worth what I get out of having meat with my meals.

In all honesty, Peter Singer, is very influential in vegetarian and vegan circles. I think I remember reading in slate that Jews were more likely to be vegetarian.

I really don't understand all the hostility against vegetarians. Do people think that factory farming is such a great public good that we should all eat as much meat as possible?

Onestdv draws a long bow to blame Jewish resentment against what I'll call "the Austrian School of Nutrition" for high carb promotion.

"Melissa Bachman is clearly a regular miswestern German white girl. A true daughter of nature. I'm not sure a Jewess could fake that."

"Jewess" is an ugly term. Its amazing that antisemites don't feel any compunction about writing their hate-filled screeds on the blog, hosted by a Jewish person. As if there weren't enough friendly platforms.

There are lots and lots of Jewish men and women who love nature and thrive being in nature.

I looked at Melissa Bachman's pictres and agree that she doesn't look typically Jewish. I would not guess her to be Jewish.

"Not really. If we were to eliminate all gentiles but the the top 2% for IQ we would find that the remainder were equally bright and equally capable."

Not even the top 2%!

Mathmatically, if we have a population with a Gentile mean IQ of 100 and a standard deviation of 15, and we want a population with a mean Jewish IQ of 110, then we can get a population with that mean Jewish IQ simply by discarding the lowest 50% of the Gentile IQ distribution.

That's a single generation of perfect selection wherein all people above IQ 100 have 2 children and all people below IQ 100 have 0 children. If your method had 1/10 of the differences in fertility (e.g. people below IQ 100 have 1.8 kids while people above 100 have 2 kids), it would take 10 generations.

Of course, then you're left with a population with a standard deviation of 9. So if Jews have the same standard deviation as Gentiles, this may not be the way, necessarily they did it. How they would avoid a lessened standard deviation, or how any rapid selection for IQ in any ethnic group would avoid a decreased standard deviation, is a bit of a puzzle for HBD, for me, if true. It would indicate that IQ boosts came from new mutations that spread globally through a population and boosted it evenly, rather than through differential fitness between the existing IQ distribution, but how that can be true is not clear to me.

Still a good way to think about HDB and Jews might be "Jews have the same mean IQ as the top 50% of Gentiles, but as much variability as the whole Gentile population".

(Similarly, if you wanted an Asian mean IQ of 105, simply remove from the Gentile population all Gentiles of IQ lower than 87, which the around the Afram mean. Wallah! Mean IQ of 104.5, but standard deviation 11.62.

Again, a more torturous rule of thumb for Asian-White differences might be

"East Asians have the same mean IQ as all Whites smarter than the mean Black, but around as much variability as the whole White population". Although it is not clear whether Asians and Whites do, in fact, have the same variability.).

Peter's response to my post, that Hitler's vegetarianism was prompted solely by his touchy stomach, is a convenient one for those celebrating vegetarianism as morally superior to an omnivorous diet. The wikipedia entry predictably leads on that note, but continues on with evidence of Hitler's squeamishness about cruelty to animals. And then of course there is the Fuhrer's famous love of dogs.

>"Still a good way to think about HDB and Jews might be "Jews have the same mean IQ as the top 50% of Gentiles, but as much variability as the whole Gentile population"."


Again, the "Jews" in question are not actually "Jews", but "a subset of Jews". Or even "a subset of a subset of Jews".

And contrary to what you seem to think, "Gentiles" does not mean "non-Jewish white people". It means "the population of the planet, minus those people who are Jewish".

I don't agree that Jews played a major role in vegetarianism. But neither do I think one can necessarily take such a criticism and say "See! See! They hate Jews!!!" There are plenty of incorrect claims that aren't motivated by prejudice. Just as there are plenty of correct claims that are. And, finally, I'm not convinced either jews or gentiles are more prejudiced than anyone else. No group has a monopoly on prejudice. People just think so because of group psychology.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXcH9EbqFDQ

Is in line with many say here regarding certain groups being able to say certain things without liberal rebuking. However, notice the comment section, which is mostly comprised of people denouncing the speakers' homophobia, and telling them to go to Africa if it's so much better. Of course, a black whose family has been in America for generations wouldn't exactly be home in Africa as they've been Americanized (albeit with a unique African-American culture). Nevertheless, this demonstrates that people at the grassroots level disapprove of homophobia and racism, even from blacks.

Anyone who's ever been in a Jewish Deli would laugh at the idea that Jews would pioneer Vegetarianism. Gefilte Fish, Lox, Chicken Soup, and Corned Beef are Vegetarian? Who knew?

The idea that Jews are to blame for everything, or Gramscian Long Marching Frankfurt School marxists, ignores the impact of technology on society. The Pill, the condom, the auto, radio-TV, all had an impact each as lasting and as large as the printing press. Or the factory system of mass production. In looking for driving social changes, I'd look there first.

""Jewess" is an ugly term."
No it's not. It was fairly common in Britain, at least pre WW2.
As a matter of principle I use the "ess" form in nouns that refer to women whenever it was used that way traditioally. It's a small gesture in favor of tradition, but if it helps only one person see the value of traditon, it'll be worth it.

"They did try to screw up Glenn Beck's talk and censor Pat Buchanan,. . . "

Don't have a link for this but I thought that was just the Soros supported wing of the Reform movement. As I recall ADL defended Beck.

"Gefilte Fish, Lox, Chicken Soup, and Corned Beef are Vegetarian? Who knew?"

As food, chopped liver would seem like less of a discouragement and more of an encouragement to vegetarianism than foie gras... By comparison check out how present day Britain has higher levels of vegetarianism and meat avoidance than France...

Never actually eaten the food of the Jews though! Maybe it doesn't taste how it looks (i.e. like really nasty and overprocessed versions of Central-East European foods).

As dumb as this post is, vegetarianism is clearly the product of 19th century millennial pietism. Just do a google book search. Frankly, that jews have higher rates of vegetarianism is weak evidence pointing toward the moldbug assimilationist model of jewish progressivism.

"Nevertheless, this demonstrates that people at the grassroots level disapprove of homophobia and racism, even from blacks."

Has to do with how badly behaved each group is. Gays spread AIDS, a horrible lethal disease, but only to each other, and they're fairly entertaining in multiple senses of the word. A gay guy's unlikely to beat you up (this is the nerd talking, of course), and women enjoy spending time with them.

Blacks, well...what's the last time you were afraid of walking through the gay neighborhood at 3 AM? Or 3 PM?

I'm not an anti-semite, just a counter-philo-semite :)

"what's the last time you were afraid of walking through the gay neighborhood at 3 AM? Or 3 PM?"

I walked through the Castro in broad daylight and I was extremely afraid I was going to drop my wallet, because I'd have to kick it all the way to San Jose before I could bend over and pick it up.

Half Sigma,
You go back to Penn often?
Did you see that the crime is escalating at Penn

"I really getting sick and tired of HBD bloggers blaming everything on the Jews."

"Perhaps a very good reason why HBD should be kept out of the mainstream? People aren't able to use the information without resorting to ignorance and demagoguery. Or maybe there really is an international Jewish conspiracy to control the world? (or a black one or an asian one or a muslim one?)"

Actually, without HBD premises about Ashkenazi intellect conspiracy theory arguments make more sense. If you see that almost all the intellectual leaders of Neoconservatism and Marxism for instance are overwhelmingly Jewish, you should be struck by the awesome statistical unlikelyhood of 2% of the population being represented at 50% of modern, anti-western political movements.

With HBD and a better understanding of our cultural trajectory this anomaly is somewhat easier to explain, actually. Otherwise it is easy to see a strong pattern: pick a cultural field, look for influential work which undermined previous Western norms, find 60% of said influential work authored by a Jew. What you are really seeing is a remarkably united cultural phase where old dogmas have been repeatedly torn down sense the early 20th century, led by Jews because Jews are over-represented in all intellectual tasks.

"The idea that Jews are to blame for everything, or Gramscian Long Marching Frankfurt School marxists [sic], ignores the impact of technology on society. The Pill, the condom, the auto, radio-TV, all had an impact each as lasting and as large as the printing press. Or the factory system of mass production. In looking for driving social changes, I'd look there first."

The good old Presbyterian reason and observation shines through here (Whiskey admitted to being Scotch-Irish).

I've also found this, which seems relevant to the black community:

http://whiskeys-place.blogspot.com/2011/09/mr-ebt-and-death-of-welfare-state.html

Welfare looks like a backdoor subsidy to junk food and soft drink corporations. I think that one shouldn't be able to purchase said foods with government funding to avoid subsidizing bad health and lower test scores. Yes, diet, especially for children, plays an important role in intelligence. I'm of course not downplaying the importance of genetics, but it would be a mistake to dismiss the dietary factor.

It's also interesting how people seem to think that all the taxes they pay go to welfare. I'm fairly positive that Mr.EBT would love to work, but it isn't his fault that corporations rather outsource to China (which itself is starting to outsource to places like Vietnam).

He could try getting loans and grants to attend a community college, thus improving his chances for employment. He will need guidance to navigate through the process of paperwork, applications, the essay, interview, tests, etc., that his parents likely didn’t teach him. One could say that his being black would confer a great advantage, but there's a caveat: in his socioeconomic milieu and local environment being primarily black levels the playing field, as he would have virtually no white competitors.

"I think that one shouldn't be able to purchase said foods with government funding to avoid subsidizing bad health and lower test scores."

Hey hey, it's Nanny Bloomberg telling the colored folk to eat their peas again!

When I became vegetarian decades ago my Jewish parents freaked out. Dad made me see a dietician to make sure I would be getting proper nutrition...,lll

This is ridiculous. Yes, a disproportionate number of Jews are intellectuals, and intellectuals tend to be inclined towards SWPL trends, like vegetarianism, but it is BS to claim that Jews are responsible for Vegetarianism. Blame the Hindus instead!

Oh, and I'm disinclined to believe the average IQ of any European nation is over 103. It seems ridiculous when people toss out bogus numbers like "117". There is no way the average IQ of any nation is over 104/5. It seems statistically impossible.

Also, I feel that Lynn's numbers are partially depressed by cultural factors. I'm willing to believe that African IQ is somewhat lower, but I seriously doubt it exceeds a standard deviation. I think the multi-cult liberals and HBD people both have a point, and that the truth lies somewhere in between. All humans are not equal, but the differences aren't as vast as HBD proponents would claim.

I agree, Jewish -> vegetarianism is preposterous.

Anyway, Bachman is an interesting name. It appears to be the result of convergent etymology.

Apparently there are two sources of Bachman:

1) the Jewish comes from the Hebrew ben chayim, meaning "son of life," and

2) German Bachman/n comes from "Bach" meaning "brook" or "stream" and suffix -man.

Sigma's trolling a bit on this one guys, because of all of the destructive political movements Jews have been involved in over the last 100 years Vegetarianism isn't even in the top 10. Our current war in the Middle East imbroglio is not excluded.

^^ yep

Lynn's claims of 70 or so subsaharan iq seem to be the result of deliberate cherry picking. Its probably more like 80. Still more than an SD, but probably not that much more once nutrition disease and education is taken into account.

http://racialreality.blogspot.com/2011/08/devastating-criticism-of-richard-lynn.html

Half Sigma, It seems to me that far from blaming Jews for the problems of modern society, the problems of modern society are caused by non jews ignoring the lessons provided by jews.

For example, the evidence is that up until 100 years ago, weddings in the Ashkenazi community were negotiated between the patriarchs of the two involved families. These patriarchs made eugenic decisions, by for example insuring that the young men with the genetic material for super high IQ were matched up with young women who had the physical fitness to bear more than a dozen children and the inheritance to support more than a dozen children

At the same time, in the Anglo Saxon countries, the non Ashkenazi community relied mainly on young men and women to make their own choices in this area.

The results were massively eugenic for Ashkenazi and not eugenic for Christians. Indeed certain enclaves with 100% anglo saxon christian ancestry resemble the movie idiocracy.


Given the demonstrated poor judgement of most young people with an IQ under 105, ie the propensity of young people with an IQ under 105 to choose the wrong spouse, isn't a model of family control superior?

Putting it another way, what advantage could the anglo saxon Christian system have provided? Why did it persist even in the face of evidence that there was a much better model?

"Lynn's claims of 70 or so subsaharan iq seem to be the result of deliberate cherry picking. Its probably more like 80. Still more than an SD, but probably not that much more once nutrition disease and education is taken into account."

That's exactly what Lynn himself said in his 2006 book. He estimated that if pure blacks were reared in America they would have an average IQ of 80 (which is how African Americans with very low white admixture actually score) however because Africans live in malnourished Africa, the average IQ is only 67. The claim that Lynn cherry picked his data to get such a low IQ for black Africa is absolute hogwash. If anything the studies were biased in the opposite direction, because the poorest black Africans who don't attend school and live in rural regions are almost never included in the studies.

An average IQ above 70 for black Africa (living in current conditions) is untenable because not even Caucasoid gypsies living in Europe score above 70 on IQ tests. Heck even white America was scoring around today's equivalent of 80 before the Flynn effect. No way black Africa today can perform as well as white America on IQ tests during WWI

"Given the demonstrated poor judgement of most young people with an IQ under 105, ie the propensity of young people with an IQ under 105 to choose the wrong spouse, isn't a model of family control superior?"

Parents under 105 probably don't make much better decisions. Their IQ is under 105! They may not be distracted by boobies, but, for the vast majority of history, certainly were not rational eugenicists, being more driven by personality and human connections and status. Arranged marriages co-occur with caste and sect and inheritance, not intelligence and cool rationality.

And your young people have, across history, generally had a pretty large material incentive to seek out a spouse who is smart and isn't flakey - they've been near as practical as older people, maybe more so.

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