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March 06, 2012

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Since the sexual market is usually efficient in having the water seeking out its own level, we can infer that Callista is a perfect representation of Newt if he was a woman and unless he has other mistresses, that she is the best he could do.

"I don't go to bed with no whore, and I don't wake up with no whore. That's how I live with myself. I don't know how you do it."

Funny how every woman is technically a whore, since even the traditional religious men have to pay financially and emotionally directly or indirectly through marriage. Losers need to hold delusional beliefs to help that sleep at night.

IMO, Callista played the mating game well, since she cashed in before her sexual market value diminished. Now she is with a wealthy politician that can provide her and her offspring financial/social security. She will never have to worry about working 70 hours and she will be entitled to half of Newt's net-worth through divorce.

People should start looking at marriage as a government sponsored business arrangement.

HS, democracy is in trouble since most people are just dumb and will not be able to appreciate bright candidates or ideas. Check this

http://www.livescience.com/18706-people-smart-democracy.html

http://people.psych.cornell.edu/~dunning/publications/pdf/unskilledandunaware.pdf

People generally don't comprehend that most Republican office-holders of national stature - Bush, McCain, Gingrich, et al. - are married to ghastly left-wing shrews who they have to ask when they can eat, sleep, or go to the bathroom. Next time you're wondering why they always spinelessly capitulate on everything that matters, think about that.

i'd guesss that roissy would probably consider newt pretty alpha for being able to consistently trade in his dumpy, dying wives in for younger models, despite newt being physically quite repulsive. but the reality is that his first wife was a 1, his second a 2, and his third a 3.5 if you're being generous. and as you make note, newt seems to have to constantly appease this wife with a deluge of expensive gifts. by my lights he's got all the behavioral downsides of the alpha (narcissism, lack of empathy), but fails to reap the reward of having access to attractive women.

Callista could have played an old aged Harley Quinn.

http://bentbird.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/callista-gingrich-joker.jpg

"People should start looking at marriage as a government sponsored business arrangement." - Dr. Anonymous


Why would any man want to marry under such conditions? In the Christian wedding vow the woman must embrace the man for richer or poorer. This was a way to control her hypergamy.

I think her face is witch like, but for Newt she'll do. My vote for top alpha male is Hugh Hefner. Still pulling in top quality tail at 85 years old.

Romney is way above anyone else in the Republican field (Ron Paul is a special case). However, a lot of Romney's perceived height is a function of the midget-ness of the other candidates. Newt? Santorum? These guys never had a chance. The Republicans should've put up two or three solid candidates that were better than Romney.

I keep flogging it, but Romney being a Mormon is going to depress white Christian conservative turnout by some degree in the general election. And regardless of how dazzlingly smart he is, that has little to do with what kind of political candidate he is. What was needed was a candidate who could rally those who have a deep anxiety about the transformation of their country into something alien – and Romney seems singularly unable to address that issue.

The media will attack Romney as an out of touch rich guy who belongs to a strange religion. The only shot he had at protecting himself was if he had a dedicated hard-core group of defenders – and that is exactly what he does not have. So, I suspect it will be McCain/Dole all over again

If Michael Stipe is to be believed, "Losing My Religion" doesn't have anything to do with religion; the title comes from a southern expression meaning to lose one's temper. I suppose that could apply to Newt as well, though.

I don't think anyone should hold this against her if the money was from private funds. As for Newt's accusation against Romney, that is just simple politics, and politics is a winner take all game of appealing to the lowest common denominator.

"This also reminds me of the song Losing my Religion by REM, because Newt, in addition to buying Callista a fortune in jewelry, also had to convert to Catholicism to please her."

The man converting to the woman's religion is a relatively recent trend. It is historically the other way around.

"A guy whose wife spends half a million dollars on jewelry at Tiffany’s has no business criticizing Romney for being too rich."

No, but understand that he didn't count on people digging up that fact. Was that a boneheaded assumption especially relative to his status as an accomplished, experienced politician? Of course.

Keep in mind that politicians are mostly talk, but once in office and after the hype settles they serve the interests of their friends and colleagues. Another thing worth mentioning is that some people speak of the president as if he were a dictator who could magically do everything the person wanted, or if they were president, what they would do. However, most people simply do not grasp the complex, interconnected factors involved. Presidents also have access to information once they're in office that they lacked while campaigning. A president also doesn't just have domestic responsibilities, but also responsibilities on a global scale.

How does he keep America in good enough (but by no means friendly with, lest he severely hurt relations with certain other allies) standing with Iran so that they won't attack us? How can we keep Israel safe and persuade it not to take aggressive action against Islamic states? How will xyz foreign and domestic policies affect the U.S. and world 10 or 20 years from now? Such questions are typically not easy, and if they were the President would have no need for teams of advisers and other institutions with which to aid the decision making process.


"This also reminds me of the song Losing my Religion by REM, because Newt, in addition to buying Callista a fortune in jewelry, also had to convert to Catholicism to please her."

Christianity has now become a convenient excuse for people's bad behavior. I know I am a sinner so you can't criticize me. I am flawed human being that is why Jesus came to save me. You have heard of the abuse excuse. Now there is the Christian excuse.

Did Newt have to get 2 annulments for his marriages. I know he wasn't married in the Catholic Church before, but Evelyn Waugh had to get an annulment for his first marriage after he converted to Catholicism, even though I don't think his first marriage was in the Catholic Church.

This idiot can get married in the Catholic Church, but a woman who was a virgin at marriage and was married 20 years, but her husband dumps her can't marry again or she is living in sin and could go to hell.

HS, great point about the man changing his religion.

Which reminds me...in the wars of the last decade, there have been very few reports of war brides for US troops. This was somewhat common even in Vietnam.

According to this article, in the few cases that did occur, the American man was pressured to renounce Christianity for Islam. In another case, an Iraqi man demanded that his Army Major girlfriend give up her "unclean" pet dogs. And she COMPLIED.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2007/10/13/love-and-war.html

Shock and awe turned into "hunker down, nation-build and be a target" so fast that it's amazing that all of our soldiers didn't quit on the spot. It's amazing that they were expected to go over there and not be given the mandate to overwhelm and dominate the enemy.

Jay M,

Politicians who do dumb things with the assumption that no one will find out are showing how stupid they are. There are too many people watching and there is too much access to keep things hidden.

In the internet age, tabloid television, and full time activist, politicians should be able to go through life assuming that everything they do will be discovered.

"A guy whose wife spends half a million dollars on jewelry at Tiffany’s has no business criticizing Romney for being too rich."

Just curious. Did you say the same thing about McCain in 2008, when he excoriated Romney for putting profit over patriotism? McCain is much richer than Newt.

"I think the way that Newt sold out to Callista is like the way he sells out his political principles to the highest bidder such as Fannie Mae."

LOL as if Romney's political principles aren't for sale. (If he had any principles to begin with, which isn't clear.)

Top Romney Contributors:


Goldman Sachs
Citigroup Inc
Merrill Lynch
Morgan Stanley
Lehman Brothers
UBS AG
JPMorgan Chase & Co
Bain & Co
Marriott International
Bain Capital
Kirkland & Ellis
The Villages
Credit Suisse Group
Compuware Corp
Huron Consulting
PricewaterhouseCoopers
American Financial Group
Affiliated Managers Group
Cerberus Capital Management
Sun Capital Partners

Their total donations are over twice what Newt got from Fannie Mae.

"Newt, in addition to buying Callista a fortune in jewelry, also had to convert to Catholicism to please her."

Well heck, if Romney can pretend to be conservative in order to please voters, I don't see why Newt can't pretend to be Catholic in order to please his wife.

JP,

At least Romney earned his money.

Newt got his from political connections.

McCain got his from marrying rich.

Basically, Romney has earned the right to splurge, because he legitimately earned it. McCain and Newt did not (and neither did Kerry).

"I don't sleep with whores. Least not knowingly." - Joe Don Baker, "Charley Varrick."

"I think her face is witch like, but for Newt she'll do. My vote for top alpha male is Hugh Hefner. Still pulling in top quality tail at 85 years old."

Hefner is just paying for it. A lot of old rich men do that discretely but Hefner just looks like a pathetic senile idiot when he flaunts it as if everyone can't see that he's either paying women for sex - or, more likely, for standing next to him in photoshoots to leave everyone with the impression that he's actually having sex.

Everything about him cries "a man that wants others to think he's having a lot of sex" more than a man that actually has a lot of sex.

The "whore" Martin Sheen's character was referring to in that scene was Gordon Gekko, not Daryl Hannah's character. I'm not sure how you missed that.

@DaveinHackensack

Or he was referring to the money/career choice.

Half Canadian, Romney is the son of a billionaire.

"Or he was referring to the money/career choice."

Remember the context. Bud's already been in finance for years. That's not what prompts his father's comment. His father says that line just after he's exited the cocktail meet & greet Bud arranged for the Blue Star Airlines union leaders with Gordon Gekko. Blue Star is in trouble, and Bud presents Gekko as its savior with a buyout plan. Gekko gives his pitch, and the other union leaders respond respectfully and agree to take his offer under consideration. Bud's father Carl (Martin Sheen), is the only one who thinks Gordon Gekko is a snake at that point, and is the only one to call him out on it.

Darryl Hannah's character Darien's role is only tangential in this scene. She's just a hostess here (as well as the interior decorator of the apartment), and there's a nice little bit where Gekko puts his plate of sushi down on what he assumes is a glass part of her silly post modern coffee table but is just empty space. It falls, and she grabs it and says she'll clean it up. That might be the most she says in the scene. She's clearly not what prompted Sheen's comment.

The cocktail meet & greet is a great scene in a great movie I've seen over a dozen times. I suggest you guys see it again.

[HS: A whore is literally a woman who gets paid for giving sex, and figuratively used to mean someone who is doing something they wouldn't otherwise be doing unless they were being richly rewarded. Since Gekko is the one rewarding Bud, Bud would be Gekko's whore and not the other way around. Carl's comment only makes sense if it's about Darien, whom he met for the first time, and who later left Bud when Bud decided to go against Gekko, thus demonstrating the truth of Carl's observation that she was only sleeping with Bud because Bud was getting rich by being Gekko's whore.]

@Half Canadian,

I have worked in management consulting, though obviously not at the Romney level. Let's just say that this line of work is not "value creation" in the same sense as Romney's father's line of work (manufacturing).

As for Newt, I do not agree that he did not "legitimately earn" his money. He became a highly paid lobbyist because he was the Speaker of the House, which required decades of planning, foresight, intelligence, and political acumen on his part. He did not inherit his political connections, he made them himself, and thus he himself earned, and legitimately deserves, any money he makes as a result of those connections. It should also be noted that lobbying groups do not pay lobbyists for no reason; they expect results. Newt was paid because he delivered results, and therefore he legitimately earned his money in every sense of the word.

"[HS: A whore is literally a woman who gets paid for giving sex, and figuratively used to mean someone who is doing something they wouldn't otherwise be doing unless they were being richly rewarded. Since Gekko is the one rewarding Bud, Bud would be Gekko's whore and not the other way around. Carl's comment only makes sense if it's about Darien, whom he met for the first time, and who later left Bud when Bud decided to go against Gekko, thus demonstrating the truth of Carl's observation that she was only sleeping with Bud because Bud was getting rich by being Gekko's whore.]"

In the preceding scene (the cocktail get together), Carl invoked the word "Pharaoh" in characterizing Gekko. By your literalism, he must not have actually been referring to Gekko, because Gekko didn't actually rule Egypt in ancient times. Darien did absolutely nothing whorish or objectionable in the scene where Carl met her. His antipathy was reserved for Gekko.

Here's a link to the screenplay: http://sfy.ru/?script=wall_street

Hit control F and type in "he's using you", and that will take you to the scene with Carl and Bud after the cocktail get together with Gekko. Here's how it starts:

CARL

He's got your prick in his back
pocket, son, and you're standing
naked in the display window of
Macy's. He's using you. Only you're
too blind to see it.

He's talking about Gekko there, obviously. Darien isn't mentioned once in that exchange. The whore line at the end of it is clearly in reference to Gekko.

Darien wasn't *just* sleeping with Bud because he was getting rich, though that was certainly part of it. You should watch their breakup scene again. When she tosses him his keys, she tells him she really did care for him, and by her distress, you can see this is true. But she also had grown accustomed to the trappings of wealth, as she was honest enough to admit, since all of her clients were referrals from Gekko, she wasn't willing to stay with Bud if that meant that they'd both lose their lavish livelihoods.

Bitter,

George Romney was never a billionaire. The highest figure I could find was $600 million (no citation).
And Mitt gave up his inheritance.
I agree that Mitt has had advantages that you and I haven't, but from all accounts, he'd be successful even if he didn't have those.

JP,

Yes, manufacturing is different than investing. No argument there, but both provide value. It takes a special skill to fix broken companies.

Mitt is the Calvin Coolidge of our age.

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