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April 02, 2012

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A guy I work with was at VT when the shootings there happened. While its too simplistic to chalk all these up to beta male rampage, I definately assume that whenever its some nerdy Asian boy.

No matter how much GDP grows, you can't increase the amound of pussy. As being a provider becomes devalued, those that are nerdy or awkward will increasingly suffer involuntary celibacy and inability to start families. Some will descend into porn and videogames. Some will go on shooting rampages.

Just goes to show that even the Most evolved race has a few violent loons. Perhaps it's the frustration of having to live in a world with less advanced races.

[HS: Don't confuse the passive-aggressive beta-male rage of Asian to the alpha-male gangster aggressiveness of blacks. They are psychologically very different, and demonstrate how blacks and Asians are at opposite ends of the r/K scale.]

Asian guy: treat others as you wish to be treated. So I should be nice to every one.
Non-Asian guys: Asian guy is a pussy. So he has to kiss my ass. He deserve to be bullied.
Asian guy: Maybe I am not nice enough. I should treat other even better.
Non-Asian guys: See. More I kick his ass, better he become.
Asian guy: This world is wrong! Fucking it! Shooting sarted. (classic culture clash)

The first thing I suspected as well was Asian beta male rage. I recall saying a while ago that these incidents would rise and Asian immigration should be curtailed but was mocked by commenters here at this blog. Sometimes I hate being right.

Asian guys have it the worst. They're like the black women of the male gender but at least Shaniqua can get laid and reproduce. Nobody wants Asian guys not even their own kind.

[HS: My guess is that 80% of Asian women prefer Asian men.]

liberals will use any excuse to like this to come down on gun rights. instead of attacking the problem at its source.

Sig.
You need a more fine grained filter than Asia male here. Do some research and you'll find a much more interesting similarity between this case and VT. Think small peninsula.

"[HS: Don't confuse the passive-aggressive beta-male rage of Asian to the alpha-male gangster aggressiveness of blacks. They are psychologically very different, and demonstrate how blacks and Asians are at opposite ends of the r/K scale.]"

How is going on a shooting spree passive aggressive? It sounds about as active aggressive as it gets, even if the etiology is different from black crime.

"Asian guys have it the worst. They're like the black women of the male gender but at least Shaniqua can get laid and reproduce. Nobody wants Asian guys not even their own kind."

Funny how this NY times article came out a couple days ago.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/01/fashion/more-asian-americans-marrying-within-their-race.html

"Today, the majority of Ms. Young’s Asian-American friends on Facebook have Asian-American husbands or wives. "

"HS: My guess is that 80% of Asian women prefer Asian men."

lol care to tell us how you pulled this number out of your ass?

It's a Christian college! Obviously the problem is Christians!!!!!

*** Perhaps it's the frustration of having to live in a world ***

I suspect a lack of poon was part of the problem.

Half Sigma, you say
[HS: My guess is that 80% of Asian women prefer Asian men.]

Half, you may be right about that. But think about which Asian females are in that category.

The traditional, religious asian females are in the 80%. The non traditional, non religious ones are in the 20%.

No wonder asian males are frustrated. In most cases frustration does not mean murderous rampage, but the frustration is there and is real

I live in San Francisco and what I notice is a widespread transformation of asian men into far more masculine types, as compared with, say, the 1980's. From my seat, this "omega" asian thing is way overblown.

> I recall saying a while ago that these incidents would rise and Asian immigration should be curtailed but was mocked by commenters here at this blog. Sometimes I hate being right. Asian guys have it the worst. They're like the black women of the male gender but at least Shaniqua can get laid and reproduce. Nobody wants Asian guys not even their own kind.
@Conquistador: You get it wrong. Cutailing Asian immigration and letting Shaniqua reproduce would give us a Jamaica at end. Increasing Asian immigration at least give us Singapore.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hq1HkgusUfI
[HS: My guess is that 80% of Asian women prefer Asian men.] HS is right on this.

http://imgsrc.baidu.com/forum/pic/item/7c1ed21b0ef41bd5d2158b4c51da81cb38db3dc7.jpg

BTW, both Asian male and female seems good for their white spouse. You can see white who married asian either sex have the highest median income than any white marriage. Basically white males with asian wifes have the highest income. White female with Asian husbands also have the highest income. Must be assotive mating.

http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2012/02/16/the-rise-of-intermarriage/8/

"They are psychologically very different, and demonstrate how blacks and Asians are at opposite ends of the r/K scale."

There is no such think as r/K selection.

Asians and Europeans have had birth rates as high or higher than Africa for most of their histories.

It's only over the past 200-150 years that Asian and European TFRs dropped well below those of Africa.

Rushton (and Lynn) are incompetent. Stop reading them and their junk science and read Dienekes and Peter Frost instead.

One difference between this shooting and the Virginia Tech massacre is that the victims here are mostly likely fellow Asians.

I sense much ethnic stereotyping in this thread's future...

Check out the profile on Oikos University. What a bogus school!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/02/oikos-university-shooting-religion-christian_n_1398331.html

40 year old male nursing student attending (well, did in the past) bogus school. Loser alert!

"No wonder asian males are frustrated."

They've got it somewhat rough, socially speaking.

They have a good deal of trouble holding onto their own women, have orders of magnitude more trouble getting a white woman, and they have to deal with a "bamboo ceiling" at work that keeps them from getting promoted.

Furthermore, SWPLs openly dislike them (to varying degrees of intensity) because Asian immigrants drive up the cost of living in SWPL neighborhoods more so than NAMs do, and because Asians are too wealthy and successful for SWPLs to justify building a Federal nanny state apparatus around Asians.

Regarding interracial marriage among people of child rearing age, it's still fairly rare.

According to the Census Bureau from 2000, ~97% of white men and 97% of white women were married to other whites, with white-Hispanic couples being the most common type.

Among children younger than five who reported having some white ancestry, only 5.6% of children under the age of 5 were white and some other race, while the remainder only reported white ancestry.

Assuming roughly half of those mixed race children were born to white fathers and the other half were born to white mothers, then only 2.8% of white women and white men of child rearing age were inter racially married.

Granted, the Census Bureaus numbers are ten years old, but I doubt the percentage point increase has risen too much from the 2000s.

with white-Hispanic couples being the most common type.

meant

with white-Hispanic couples being the most common type of interracial marriage practiced by white people.

"One difference between this shooting and the Virginia Tech massacre is that the victims here are mostly likely fellow Asians."

A shame these Asian shooters don't go and cap dark folk...

"Today, the majority of Ms. Young’s Asian-American friends on Facebook have Asian-American husbands or wives."


Notice the focus on martial rather than dating status? Women past their prime settle for a variety of reasons. Who they fuck from the ages of 16-24 is who they are actually attracted to.

Why Asian Girls Go For White Guys;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SI3lPLsbwjw

"Rushton (and Lynn) are incompetent. Stop reading them and their junk science and read Dienekes and Peter Frost instead."

You have no idea what you're talking about. rushton's book "Race, Evolution and Behavior" is quite simply the most brilliant, insightful and parsimonious book on race ever written. And Jensen says the same. It's quite simply the greatest work of genius in the history of the social sciences.

And Lynn has contributed more to our knowledge of racial IQ differences than anyone else on the planet. He also discovered the Flynn Effect before Flynn and came up with the most parsimonious explanation for the phenomenon: nutrition.

"There is no such think as r/K selection.

Asians and Europeans have had birth rates as high or higher than Africa for most of their histories.

It's only over the past 200-150 years that Asian and European TFRs dropped well below those of Africa."

I agree that r/k selection is not an effective model, but your reasoning is invalid.

If r strategists had higher birth rates and k strategists had lower birth rates (on average), then there wouldn't be a stable co-existence of strategies - the r strategists would just take over.

Wait what?

Did you forget the series of shootings by young nerdy white men?

Frost's latest post discusses Rushton's recent views on skin color and its possible role in mediating differences in life history.

http://evoandproud.blogspot.co.nz/2012/03/dark-coloration-and-male-aggressiveness.html

Previously he's noted that no single model (whether it be Rushton's r-K life history or Ed Miller's 'paternal investment') explains all geographic variation in cognitive traits.

http://evoandproud.blogspot.co.nz/2011/02/rethinking-intelligence-and-human.html

agnostic said:
[both Asian male and female seems good for their white spouse. You can see white who married asian either sex have the highest median income than any white marriage.]

Correlation does not equal causation. It could be that certain (intelligent, conscientious) types of whites marry asian.

The Undiscovered Jew said:
[There is no such think as r/K selection.]

It's a concept that is used in the scientific study of animals, not just humans. And just because it may not be biological/"eternal" in humans does not mean that it is not a valid way of broadly differentiating breeding strategies these days.

The Undiscovered Jew said:
[SWPLs openly dislike [Asians]]

I have seen zero evidence for that. In fact, quite to the contrary.

Sigh wrote:
[A shame these Asian shooters don't go and cap dark folk...]

Lame comment. I too think that broadly speaking Asians people have more to positively offer civilization than many NAMs, but I consider it barbaric to wish an event like this on anyone.

I would love to see society reengineered so as to provide incentives/opportunities for 120 IQ women to have four children each, and Shaneeshqua in the ghetto to only be able to afford to have one. But that is much different than killing Shaneeshqua - which would be barbaric.

I live in San Francisco and what I notice is a widespread transformation of asian men into far more masculine types, as compared with, say, the 1980's. From my seat, this "omega" asian thing is way overblown.

I agree. I live in the Portland area, which has lots of Asians and Asian-Americans. The gym I work out in has several Asian guys who are quite buffed and good looking. All of them have white girlfriends who are quite attractive.

One thing that surprised me while I was in Japan was the way wild, sexxxed-up, stripper-looking Japanese girls - the kind who look like their uncle touched them growing up, and now they are up for any and every kinky thing - would date wild but still sane looking Japanese men. Also, the sexual but not outrageously so women would date relatively normal looking guy, and nerdy salarymen would go with feminine, attractive women.

Because all the guys were relatively Asian/nerdy, the whole scale of who went with who was way shifted compared with what it would be in the US or Europe. I saw that as a function of the racial homogeniety of Japan.

A sex-crazed, perhaps damaged white or Asian girl in America would very likely get sucked into the world of blacks, Arabs, or Latin thugs. That would mean that the white or Asian guy she would date in a racially-closed system would instead date a white or Asian girl less wild and sexual - which adjusts the whole ladder-helix of partnering up.

I have seen again and again for decades now that black men in America syphon off much of white women's casual pre-marital sexuality, which is a resource/blessing that white men hunger for desperately.

Also: of all the thuggish East Asian dudes I personally know, almost all of them are Korean. Not sure why.

"Asians and Europeans have had birth rates as high or higher than Africa for most of their histories."

I seriously doubt you have the data to back that up.

"I agree that r/k selection is not an effective model, but your reasoning is invalid."

The reasoning of both you is invalid: Rushton's application of r/K to human racial differences is an extremely useful model.

"If r strategists had higher birth rates and k strategists had lower birth rates (on average), then there wouldn't be a stable co-existence of strategies - the r strategists would just take over."

No because r strategists have much higher death rates.    

The degree of misunderstanding about interracial dating by the posters here is the result of too much porn watching and insular thinking among like minded people who don't have enough exposure to the reality that exists independently of their fantasy worlds.

Women marry/date power. This is a universal law. Even the IR dating disparities in Asia and Europe explain this. You think the bald fatso is "attractive"? Or maybe it's the size of his bank accounts/the confidence it brings?

Second, men will screw anything but women would prefer to date in their own race if they have enough of a chance. Asian men and women scattered as minorities will have to date whites. Asian men/White women pairings are much more disapproved of in white society. Don't underestimate that force. And Asian men, due to said bamboo ceiling, are just not plugged into the power structure. Refer to women marry/date power thesis.

HS and UJ hit some good points on this thread, although most of you remind me of my geeky white roommate that couldn't get ANY woman but comforted himself in the statistical qualities of his ethnicity in the IR dating game. He would literally say things like: "I saw this gorgeous asian chick with this white guy and I was thinking...that could be ME!"

Much like the legions of GOP trailer dwellers thinking that they could be Don Trump or Mitt Romney on account of some shallow and ultimate inconsequential similarities...it could be ME!

AM/AF outmarriage/dating rates hitting parity is the theoretical maximum. Anything else would overturn all the laws of anthropology and sociology, barring some truly revolutionary demographic transformation in the US and a major re-shifting of the geopolitical world order. Stay tuned.

@Undiscovered Jew

Yes, but that's marriage. what about children born out of wedlock, especially to those kinds of fathers that don't tend to marry?

CDC says that a nearly quarter of children born to white women in Clayton County, Georgia are half black.

Here's a list of the areas of the highest half black/half white births.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data_access/vitalstats/VitalStats_Births.htm

Clayton County,GA 0.1489361702 (nearly a quarter)
Prince George,MD 0.1123218776
Charles County,MD 0.0992268041
Richmond County,GA 0.0767097967
Dauphin County,PA 0.0708661417
Peoria County,IL 0.0688673876
Norfolk city,VA 0.0683043739
Philadelphia County,PA 0.0679439704
Comanche County,OK 0.0673076923
Jefferson County,TX 0.0662557781
Baltimore city,MD 0.0652264229
Bronx County,NY 0.0643564356
Newport News city,VA 0.0643185299
Solano County,CA 0.0624309392
Cumberland County,NC 0.0621675532
Bell County,TX 0.061641423
Delaware County,IN 0.0610079576
Frederick County,MD 0.0608143839
Alachua County,FL 0.0604467806
Marion County,IN 0.0595591877
Allen County,OH 0.0595555556
Guilford County,NC 0.0594020456
Broward County,FL 0.0588926174
Prince William County,VA 0.058419244
Harrison County,MS 0.0576271186
Erie County,PA 0.0566550252
Cumberland County,NJ 0.0566037736
St. Louis city,MO 0.0565217391
Lycoming County,PA 0.0564010743
Montgomery County,TN 0.056019656
Shawnee County,KS 0.0557553957
Kent County,DE 0.0556348074
Champaign County,IL 0.0554442218
Vanderburgh County,IN 0.0551830841
Sussex County,DE 0.0548589342
Sacramento County,CA 0.0548492554
Muscogee County,GA 0.0547945205
Davidson County,TN 0.0546623794
Sangamon County,IL 0.0545356371
Calcasieu Parish,LA 0.0545356371
La Porte County,IN 0.0542857143
Portsmouth city,VA 0.0537459283
Allegheny County,PA 0.0532649644
Oklahoma County,OK 0.0532435741
Fayette County,KY 0.0531587057
Fayette County,PA 0.0528360528
St. Joseph County,IN 0.052696583
St. Lucie County,FL 0.052559727
Hampton city,VA 0.0525059666
Indian River County,FL 0.0520694259
Lucas County,OH 0.0519917227

"Asians and Europeans have had birth rates as high or higher than Africa for most of their histories.

It's only over the past 200-150 years that Asian and European TFRs dropped well below those of Africa."

I'm not sure about the r/K stuff, but what you say above is not true. At least since the Middle Ages, Western Europeans (both men and women) have married and started having children only in their mid-20s, that is, they have forgone their first fertile decade. Peter Frost has written about this. Eastern Europeans may have had more "normal" marriage and birth patterns, though.

The Chinese have traditionally got married and started having children in their teens. However, they have also traditionally practised widespread infanticide as a method of population control . If the r/K theory is correct, infanticide could be thought of as a typical K strategy. I wonder if the "Western European marriage pattern" is due to the church forbidding infanticide -- if you cannot kill your excess babies (like they did in pagan Europe), the only way to follow the K strategy is to wait until you can afford children.

"There is no such think as r/K selection.

Asians and Europeans have had birth rates as high or higher than Africa for most of their histories."

You should read racist authors of the XXth century.

It was indeed more frequent in the past for European families to have four children or more, but African males in Africa, before the introduction of drugs, vaccines and contraception by evangelical do-gooders, used to have around 40 or 50 children with different wives.

So even if average fertility rates have dropped a lot in the last centuries, proportions have stayed roughly the same.

Asian boys in the United States definitely have it tough. I'd like to see more focus on that and less on the problems of black boys. I find Asian boys more likable also.

I think this has more to do with the guy being single than being Asian. Studies show marriage and fatherhood lowers testosterone making men more stable.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/10/071010180134.htm

Yeah, Dave Chappelle had a humorous bit about how he's afraid of white boys because of school shootings. Of course we all see the joke there.

But it is interesting that this one type of crime tends to be done by nerds (and there's even a eugenicist strain). It may be just that your average black kid isn't liable to be rejected in the same way. But it's still quite a noteworthy exception to the rule in these things.

David, yes it is interesting that whites commit more school shootings than blacks and East Asians commit more school shootings than whites (per capita). This once again confirms Rushton's brilliant observation that human behavior tends to cluster with mongoloids and negroids at opposite extremes, and caucasoids in the middle. But it's an anomaly to Rushton's finding that East Asians are the most law abiding and mentally stable (while blacks are the opposite)

My guess is that school is a youthful sexual culture where males with K genotypes have no status, and feel humiliated and lash out in revenge. If only they waited a few years, they would find that their K traits would pay off in the adult world.

"Yes, but that's marriage. what about children born out of wedlock, especially to those kinds of fathers that don't tend to marry?"

The 2000 Census data I cited was based on a count of ALL children under 5 who reported being white and something else, not just those whose mothers had them in wedlock.

And not all of those mixed race children had white mothers.

Remember that under the Census it's possible for two people of the same ethnic group to count as an interracial couple or have their kid count as mixed race. For example, if a Native American kid's has one parent who identified as Native American only and one parent who listed themselves as white and something else, the Census would count this kid as mixed white even though his "purer" Native American parent most likely has significant European DNA input.

"CDC says that a nearly quarter of children born to white women in Clayton County, Georgia are half black."

There may be regional variations, but the overall 2000 census data (which is derived from an actual count) pointed to mixed race children with white ancestry as only being 5.6% of children under 5 who reported any white ancestry.

And, as pointed out above, even the 5.6% is probably an overestimate.

The American Social Survey Data is based on a survey sample that tends to overrestimate the number of interracial marriages.

There was a recent problem with the American Social Survey where they greatly overestimated the number of gay marriages in the country.

"I'm not sure about the r/K stuff, but what you say above is not true. At least since the Middle Ages, Western Europeans (both men and women) have married and started having children only in their mid-20s, that is, they have forgone their first fertile decade. Peter Frost has written about this. Eastern Europeans may have had more "normal" marriage and birth patterns, though."

Western Europeans have had African level birth rates.

Puritan New England maintained a birth rate of over 7 children and the birth rate in Europe during the colonial American era averaged 4-5, with large regional variations.

Russia had a birth rate of over 7 children throughout the 19th century. If they had maintained that birthrate into the 20th century, Russia's population (even after factoring their death toll from WWII) would be over 600 million today.

China had a TFR of over 5 as recently as WWII.

"The Undiscovered Jew said:
[SWPLs openly dislike [Asians]]

I have seen zero evidence for that. In fact, quite to the contrary."

I've seen lots of evidence for overt SWPL dislike of Asians, both anecdotally and in news articles.

Here is a SWPL UC administrator speaking about UC's anti-Asian college admissions policy.

Do you think any SWPL college bureaucrat administrator, even speaking anonymously, would say something stereotypical about blacks or Hispanics such as "they don't study because they're lazy" they this guy does?


* Asians and ‘Diversity’

http://www.acri.org/blog/2011/11/16/asians-and-diversity/

A couple years ago, the American Civil Rights Institute’s Ward Connerly wrote an op-ed about discrimination against students of Asian descent in the University of California (UC) system. He recounted a conversation he’d had with a UC administrator:

“I asked him why he considered it important to tinker with admissions instead of just letting the chips fall where they may. In an unguarded moment, he told me that unless the university took steps to ‘guide’ admissions decisions, UC would be dominated by Asians. When I asked, ‘What would be wrong with that?’ I got an answer that speaks volumes about the underlying philosophy at many universities with regard to Asian enrollment.

“The UC administrator told me that Asians are ‘too dull – they study, study, study.’ He then said, ‘If you ever say I said this, I will have to deny it.’ I won’t betray the individual’s anonymity because to do so would put him in a world of trouble. Yet, it is time to confront the not-so-subtle hand of discrimination against Asians that masquerades as ‘building diversity’ at many campuses.”

It’s also well documented that Asians are a non-preferred minority. The euphemism diversity applies mostly to blacks and Hispanics. Some minorities are more equal than others. If Asian enrollment goes up, well, that’s interesting, but what about blacks and Hispanics?

"Previously he's noted that no single model (whether it be Rushton's r-K life history or Ed Miller's 'paternal investment') explains all geographic variation in cognitive traits."

This is true, but Rushton's is particularly easy to debunk.

In addition to Asians and Europeans having demonstrated the ability to have very high birth rates, there are also many characteristics where whites don't "end up in the middle".

For example,

Race whose women have largest breast sizes after controlling for obesity (largest to smallest):

European
African
East Asian

Race whose men are tallest (from tallest to shortest):

European and African men more or less equally
East Asian

Race whose women's collagen and elastin breakdown the fastest with age (from fastest breakdown to slowest):

European
African
East Asian

"The Chinese have traditionally got married and started having children in their teens. However, they have also traditionally practised widespread infanticide as a method of population control . If the r/K theory is correct, infanticide could be thought of as a typical K strategy."

Infanticide has been practiced by all peoples around the world from Europe, to the Middle East, to pre-Columbus Latin America, to Africa.

Infanticide was extensively used as a method of birth control.

Infanticide was only seriously reduced in Europe in the 18th Century when many European nations had both high birth rates and lowering infant mortality, which shows Europeans were in fact able to both have many children and provide resources and attention for them.

"And Lynn has contributed more to our knowledge of racial IQ differences than anyone else on the planet."

Even Rushton and Lynn's IQ data is suspect in some cases.

Rushton and Lynn peg the IQs of Ireland, Greece, and Southern Italy as being in the low 90's, which can't be true because Irish, Greek, and Italian Americans (who are overwhelmingly of Southern Italian descent) have income, IQ scores, and education levels as good or better as other white Americans.

"African males in Africa, before the introduction of drugs, vaccines and contraception by evangelical do-gooders, used to have around 40 or 50 children with different wives."

The birth rate of African females is what's important, not the sexual activity of males, because it's constraints on female reproduction that determines population growth, not men.

The highest possible birth rate for humans is generally considered to be between 7 and 8. Anything higher than 8 is usually not sustainable because human females can't produce litters of offspring the way other mammals can.

Human babies also gestate for longer periods than other mammals. For example, Lioness' can give birth within 4 to 5 months.

"Western Europeans have had African level birth rates."

That's a very vague statement. Which Africa are you referring to? Today's? That of 50 years ago? Three hundred years ago?

Western Europe and East Asia used to have much higher birth rates, but that does not mean that there have been no systematic differences in reproductive patterns between them and Africa.

Moreover, in Western Europe the time between generations has been longer than elsewhere.

"Infanticide has been practiced by all peoples around the world from Europe, to the Middle East, to pre-Columbus Latin America, to Africa."

Yes, but have there been systematic differences in how widespread it has been? I'd say definitely yes.

"Infanticide was only seriously reduced in Europe in the 18th Century"

That's simply false. Infanticide has always been a crime in Christian Europe, unlike in most of the world, so the disincentives have been much stronger in Europe.

"Rushton and Lynn peg the IQs of Ireland, Greece, and Southern Italy as being in the low 90's, which can't be true because Irish, Greek, and Italian Americans (who are overwhelmingly of Southern Italian descent) have income, IQ scores, and education levels as good or better as other white Americans."

Your argument style reminds me of Gladwell.

Undiscovered Jew, Rushton never claimed that caucasoids are in between negroids and mongoloids for every imaginable trait, only traits that are relevant to r/K reproductive strategies.

Talking about collagen levels shows you are really missing the point.

As for breast size, controlled for obesity, where is your source? But in any case, it would be absolute breast size that matters.

One of rushton's most interesting stats is that races differ in frequency of having twins, with blacks having twins most often and East Asians least often. Twinning rates are highly genetic while birth rates can be influenced by the cultural context.

Rushton even finds that the r/K scale differentiates the social classes within a race (though to a smaller degree). So when Half Sigma talks about prole whites, what he's really probably describing is r genotype whites.


Hmm.

"In ecology, r/K selection theory relates to the selection of combinations of traits in an organism that trade off between quantity or quality of offspring. The focus upon either increased quantity of offspring at the expense of individual parental investment, or reduced quantity of offspring with a corresponding increased parental investment, is varied to promote success in particular environments.

The theory was popular in the 1970s and 1980s when it was used as a heuristic device, but lost importance in the early 1990s as it was criticized by several empirical studies.[1][2] The r/K selection paradigm has been replaced by a "life-history" paradigm."

Organisms can be adapted to produce large numbers of high quality offspring and low numbers of low quality offspring. It isn't the case that either only low numbers/high quality and high numbers/low quality are possible morphs. There are species of very complex animals that have very large populations and species of very simple animals that have very small populations.

Peter Frost has pointed out that farmers are r compared to more K hunter gatherers, if we look purely at reproductive rates. But farmers probably aren't dumber or less cognitively complex.

In terms of Africans and Eurasians, it does seem like Africans are adapted for males to take more of a winner-takes-all high stakes mating strategy, and don't provision for offspring very much, while African females are more limited in childbirthing by their own provisioning than Eurasian females, who can draw more on male resources.

I don't really recall any evidence that African females tend to particularly have more children overall, across history (i.e. were less at a Malthusian trap). I'd expect Eurasians who expanded into virgin territory to experience a less Malthusian dynamic than Africans living in a saturated landscape and have higher levels of reproduction. See the interesting finding that Old American Whites tend to have higher reproductive rates than more recent immigrants for an example! Likewise, a situation where men do no real provisioning work - that doesn't seem like the kind of situation where you'd see high birth rates. (although disease levels may offset all this somewhat).

Rushton's twinning evidence is the only real evidence for a higher African reproductive rate and it is not really very good (for the obvious reason that having kids in clutches at a slightly higher rate, but still really rare is pretty poor evidence for generally having more offspring across the life history).

"Undiscovered Jew, Rushton never claimed that caucasoids are in between negroids and mongoloids for every imaginable trait, only traits that are relevant to r/K reproductive strategies."

In support of his theory that "whites are in the middle...", Rushton lists population characteristics that aren't related to sexual reproduction such as cranial volume as proof of his theory. How is cranial volume more related to r/K selection than mean height, speed of skin aging, and breast size?

"As for breast size, controlled for obesity, where is your source?"

Playboy and any magazine with pictures of non-obese women in them.

I don't need a study to see that European women have larger breasts than black women and that East Asian women have the smallest breasts of all anymore than I need to a study to show white, black, and Asian women have different skin tones.

Breast size is so externally visible (and under constant male observation) that a study is unnecessary.

"So when Half Sigma talks about prole whites, what he's really probably describing is r genotype whites."

r genotype whites used to be the UPPER classes.

Galton noted in the mid 19th century the European elites tended to have more children than lower class Europeans.

Rushton's defenders are poorly informed about basic facts, but, usefully, they're proving my point HBDers (the few remaining intelligent ones) should go to better sources of information such as Dienekes and Frost.

"That's a very vague statement. Which Africa are you referring to? Today's?"

I'm referring to today's African fertility rates because many African nations have birth rates that are at the maximum level (TFR of 7-8) human women can give birth to and because Rushton uses current African fertility pattens to bolster his r/K argument.

"Western Europe and East Asia used to have much higher birth rates, but that does not mean that there have been no systematic differences in reproductive patterns between them and Africa."

I didn' say there were no differences at all, I said the fact Europeans and East Asians have had very high fertility rates (TFR >= 5) disproves an r/K selection strategy is being pursued.

"Moreover, in Western Europe the time between generations has been longer than elsewhere."

It's not clear Africans have always had more teen births than Europeans. It was normal for European men to marry and impregnate teenage girls (In Romeo and Juliet, Juliet is only 13 years old when she is courted by Romeo).

"Infanticide has been practiced by all peoples around the world from Europe, to the Middle East, to pre-Columbus Latin America, to Africa."

Yes, but have there been systematic differences in how widespread it has been? I'd say definitely yes.

"Infanticide was only seriously reduced in Europe in the 18th Century"

That's simply false. Infanticide has always been a crime in Christian Europe, unlike in most of the world, so the disincentives have been much stronger in Europe."

No.

Infanticide was extensively practiced in Christian Europe *Despite* Church opposition.

The European Christians knew the Catholic Church opposed infanticide, but Christians mostly just ignored the Church's position much like modern cafeteria Catholics ignore the Pope's position on abortion, pre-marital sex, and birth control:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infanticide

History and pre-history

The practice of infanticide has taken many forms. Child sacrifice to supernatural figures or forces, such as the one practiced in ancient Carthage, may be only the most notorious example in the ancient world. Anthropologist Laila Williamson notes that "Infanticide has been practiced on every continent and by people on every level of cultural complexity, from hunter gatherers to high civilizations, including our own ancestors. Rather than being an exception, then, it has been the rule."[2]

A frequent method of infanticide in ancient Europe and Asia was simply to abandon the infant, leaving it to die by exposure (i.e. hypothermia, hunger, thirst, or animal attack).[3][4] Infant abandonment still occurs in modern societies.[5]

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Middle Ages

Whereas theologians and clerics preached sparing their lives, newborn abandonment continued as registered in both the literature record and in legal documents.[4] According to William L. Langer, exposure in the Middle Ages "was practiced on gigantic scale with absolute impunity, noticed by writers with most frigid indifference".[43] At the end of the 12th century, notes Richard Trexler, Roman women threw their newborns into the Tiber river in daylight.[44]

Unlike other European regions, in the Middle Ages the German mother had the right to expose the newborn.[45] In Gotland, Sweden, children were also sacrificed.[46]

In the High Middle Ages, abandoning unwanted children finally eclipsed infanticide. Unwanted children were left at the door of church or abbey, and the clergy was assumed to take care of their upbringing. This practice also gave rise to the first orphanages.

"Rushton and Lynn peg the IQs of Ireland, Greece, and Southern Italy as being in the low 90's, which can't be true because Irish, Greek, and Italian Americans (who are overwhelmingly of Southern Italian descent) have income, IQ scores, and education levels as good or better as other white Americans."

Your argument style reminds me of Gladwell.

Posted by: ic | April 04, 2012 at 09:12 AM"

Ah, you agree Irish, Southern Italians, and Greeks have IQs in the low 90s.

If that's so, how do you explain the fact Italian, Irish, and Greek Americans have IQ scores equal to other white Americans? Why do they have income and education levels on par with other white Americans?

Wow, Omega-male rage? Really? Do you have any evidence to back up this accusation or is this just a silly stereotype?

And how does two incidents make an "epidemic"? Hell, whites and blacks shoot up their schools and workplaces pretty much on a consistent basis, yet 2 Asian shootings make it an "epidemic"? What kind of unscientific bs kind of blog is this?

As for those idiots who were implying that Asians have "smaller peninsula" or whatever. I am sure you have consumed plenty of "Asian peninsulas" to speak from experience, right? I swear to God most of you are repressed Homosexuals.

And I take it you repressed insecure nerdy white boys cannot stand the fact that as the number of Asians increase in this country, Asian women will have more Asian men to choose from, and they will no longer have to put up with ignorant white boys who make stupid "yucky" faces every time they see something different.

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