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May 31, 2012

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To be fair, this is in their "Style and Fashion" section, but then the garbage there keeps leaking into the rest of the paper.

You could argue that its better that they print this sort of article than what they have been printing on, say, diet and exercise.

What a mess this article is!

It probably started as a puff piece on Amanda Brooks, since it wallows in that base. Maybe the writer is in her circle.

However, some brave editor must have pointed out that it wasnt newsworthy. So they threw in the connection to the editor Rebekah Brooks. Then they throw in a bit of the business page with a connection to Barney's, the Department store, business conditions. Is her leaving related? We get just enough of a quote to get this article past which ever editor objected to newsworthiness.

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Does the New York Times know what they are doing when they publish such a hilarious article? How can this be read with a straight face?

"They have two children, Coco (not after Chanel, but an abbreviation of Carmen), 10, who has yet to take any discernible interest in fashion..."

Really?! As late as 10 with no interest in fashion. Huh.

"“It’s about a different perspective of living on a farm,” she said. “I’ll be looking for style, of course, as I do now. It might be the way I arrange a cheese plate,..."

"... between fashion stints, she trained five months to push a dog sled 250 miles in Arctic Norway to raise money for charity. "


Her husband is described as "the artist Christopher Brooks"- not "artist Christopher Brooks" . Her friends husband is described as "the sculptor Christopher Astley". And her previous job is described as "muse".

What do Amanda and Alex have in common? It's a 100% guarantee that both are 100% hairless. God damn it.

Given her race, there is a (slight) chance that Bee-Shyuan actually looks like an adult woman.

Barnard is not Ivy League, bro. You of all people should know that. It is a sports league with eight old schools and Barnard ain't one of them.

[HS: It's more complicated than that: http://www.wikicu.com/Columbia-Barnard_relationship ]

>>(WASPs secretly run the country and Jews are their bitches);<<

That has always been my point, which has me pegged as a paid-off tool by some, while others think I'm too racist to be mentioned even on racist sites.

-Her short time in the job indicates a feet-first exit, which the denial only confirms.

-I don't know how the New York socialite thing works but leaving town probably means she isn't as cool as she used to be.

"(1) the Brooks are WASPs and not Jews (WASPs secretly run the country and Jews are their bitches)"

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Hilarious, but I don't know if it's ironic or if you really mean it. Love your blog!

We have some of these types in DC that also get a lot of media coverage. They called themselves socialites without irony and there was even a short-lived reality show on them.

I wanted to hate them, but they're so damned gracious and sweet it's impossible to do that. They're also pretty nice looking and never have tattoos. After dealing with them for a while, I decided the world would be a better place with more women like them as opposed to the nasty prole women and chip-on-the-shoulder middle class women I usually deal with. So sue me.

She is/was the fashion director at Barney's New York. And she's leaving to go live on a farm.

No matter how insubstantial her pre-BNY resume may be, that sounds almost like news to me. "NY Fashion Exec Dumps Hemlines for Hayrides" as a more interesting newspaper might put it.

I'm only reading the first three paragraphs, but it's not super-shocking to me that Barney's might want to hire someone who's only relevant skill is knowing and frequently seeing trendsetting "it girls" that fashion people want to follow.

Upper class people marry for power. Dumb low class marry for beauty if they can. As lower class, only reproductive bargain chip available for them is physical beauty.

Just look around true traditional high power people. Feudal system do breed a class of people with different mentality from regular joes.

Would this more appropriately be featured in The Onion?

She's really rather drab.

That article just as well could've been written at the Onion, word for word.

Her golden looks old due to the white aged fur. I'm kind of surprised a fashion figure would have a golden with how much hair they shed non-stop. How would she keep her clothes fur free? That would be a far more interesting line of questioning than anything about her eloi life.

To those calling her homely, at least Half Sigma is improving since he called that androgynous middle aged female judge a 'hot chick.'

Yes, Brookses come in both flavors. David, Mel, and Albert are matched by Garth and Herb.

"WASPs secretly run the country and Jews are their bitches"

I'm guessing that's a joke, but if not you should post on it.

In Lewis Lapham's The American Ruling Class one of the new Yale grads asks, "Have the WASPs lost power or are they just lying low?"

Are you participating in Steve Hsu's GWAS?

Yes WASPs run most of America and Western Europe. This is a surprise to anyone?

Look at Fashion. WASPY cool stuff like Calvin Klein, Ralph Lauren, Brooks Brothers rule. Not say, Klezmer inspired fashion: plaid polyester pants, runway sized ties, favored by the Schmenge Brothers.

Since when was Barnard considered Ivy League?

I thought it was part of the seven sisters? Well since "technically" the Ivies is an athletic conference and Barnard women are allowed to participate on Columbia's sports teams, I suppose they could be part of the conference as affiliates.

However, this begs the question of why the other seven sisters aren't considered as Ivies? Especially Vassar, Wellesley and Smith.

[HS: Radcliffe would be considered Ivy because it's attached to Harvard like how Barnard is attached to Columbia.]

whiskey

Calvin Klein and Ralph Lauren (Lipschitz?) are Jews.

"Bee-Shyuan Chang, who wrote the article about Amanda in today’s NY Times, went to a Top-14 law school (GULC) and then worked at BIGLAW (Schulte Roth & Zabel) for a one year before becoming a freelance writer who contributes to the NY Times on fashion topics. She is probably 31 years old based on her graduation from college (state school, not Ivy) in 2003."

Sounds like a very odd career progression. Leaving BIGLAW for a regular reporting job at the Times might be understandable, but leaving for freelancing? If for some reason she found the pressure of BIGLAW too much, why not scale back and work at a smaller law firm? Given the 2003 college graduation, she probably graduated law school in 2006, and would have finished her one year in BIGLAW in 2007 - before the economy went bad, when finding another legal job probably would have been a reasonable option.

"Yes, Brookses come in both flavors. David, Mel, and Albert are matched by Garth and Herb."

Not to mention the ones who make the suits.

Like my boyfriend says, "people gloat about the decline of the WASPs a lot, but guess what, WASPs still run your co-op board."

No one gets WASP style better than the Jews. Besides Calvin Klein and Ralph Lauren, as Nicolai cites above, there are also Tory Burch (half Jewish) and Aerin Lauder, granddaughter of Estee Lauder (nee Josephine Metzner).

One of the few real WASPs who has a fashion company that caters to preppies is Lily Pulitzer, but her line is just too authentic! Blacks and Asians just can't carry off those crazy colors.

"WASPS secretly run the country."

Somehow "into the ground" got left out.

How bout Wasps and Jews runt his country along with a much much smaller cadre of usefull minorities.

She really majored in art history at Brown and had the gall to say that crap about being a "muse"??? What an elitist twat.

Austin Bramwell wrote a review in Taki's Magazine of the show "Gossip Girl". Bramwell is New York City WASP whose marriage was noted in The New York Times.

In the review, Bramwell notes how inaccurate the show is and how WASPs have declined and collapsed from a few generations ago:

http://takimag.com/article/where_the_wasps_arent

"In Gossip Girl, rich kids all have names like Waldorf, Archibald, Bass and van der Woodsen. (In keeping with media’s loathing of the Texas Bass family, the villain is named “Chuck Bass.”) In reality, however, the families of the old Protestant Establishment make up only a minority of New York’s wealthy elite. They haven’t entirely disappeared; they still host their debutantes balls, the Forbes family still keeps the Social Register afloat, and a handful of institutions (mostly hidden from public view) are still controlled by WASPs. Some WASPs even have substantial fortunes. (Those fortunes, however, are rarely very old; no Knickerbocker family like “van der Woodsen” can afford New York’s social whirl.) But WASPs as a whole just don’t have the numbers, much less the will, to dominate New York society. As Louis Auchincloss gently puts it, they have “lost their monopoly.”"

"In fairness, in mischaracterizing America’s upper class, Gossip Girl is merely following pop culture convention. Virtually every Hollywood movie and TV show, from Scent of a Woman to Family Guy, assumes that a WASP episcopacy that collapsed two generations ago still controls this country’s wealth and power. (Indeed, it is hard to think of any pop culture product that doesn’t associate wealth with WASP privilege.)"

There's a difference between having your culture (or some simalcrum of it) admired and wielding power. English-WASP culture is widely admired because for centuries it was the apex of civilization. It was orderly; it elevated fine craft; it prized decorum. It conquered and controlled a quarter of the land area of this world and did so with a brazen economy: it administered all of India, for example, with only 1,000 civil servants.

Not only that, but unlike other empires, the English weren't barbarians; on the contrary, they suppressed the barbarism of the peoples they ruled (stopping the Indian custom of burning widows to death when their husbands died, for example) while studying and preserving worthy cultural achievements of their charges.

All of that, which peaked under Queen Victoria, echoes through time. It's why Russian oligarchs today send their kids to elite English boarding schools. It's why we are suckers for a fancy British accent. It's part of the fantasy Ralph Lauren/Lipschitz is tapping into with his faux British fashions. But it is all echoes of past glory, and doesn't represent any hard power existing today: the Russians may send their kids to schools in England but England doesn't call the shots in Russia; silmilarly, Americans may admire their WASPs, but that doesn't mean those WASPs hold much real power today. Class, and envy of it, lasts longer than power.

"unlike other empires, the English weren't barbarians"

I can't think of a single empire founded or run by barbarians. Barbarians destroy empires, they don't build them. Even the Mongols weren't barbarians, though they were certainly ruthless and warlike.

I hope you're not arguing that the British weren't brutal, cruel, and warlike, because they certainly were.

JP,

Sure the British were warlike. Perhaps "barbarians" wasn't the best word, but the British did more to preserve culture they found worthy and inculcate their values and culture in their colonies than most other empires (and they were able to inculcate their values more because they were less gratuitously brutal than other contemporary empires). Compare what the British left behind in their former colonies to, say, what the Portuguese or the French left behind.

"In the review, Bramwell notes how inaccurate the show is and how WASPs have declined and collapsed from a few generations ago:"

If memory serves, Josh Schwartz said that after making his show The O.C. more Jewish than Orange County is in real life, he decided to make Gossip Girl more WASP than Manhattan is in real life.

I'm glad you rethought the word "barbarian". India has had civilization for thousands of years. Maybe they stagnated a little bit for a while. But they're coming back now.

"In the review, Bramwell notes how inaccurate the show is and how WASPs have declined and collapsed from a few generations ago:"

Ah, the paleoconservatives have once again taken a pause from cooking meth in their trailer parks and emerged to bore the blogosphere to death with their professional grievances and self serving revisionist history.

Yes, of course the WASPs are out of power, that's why the SCOTUS from 1969-1994 was Episcopalian dominated, and had no Jews at all as Justices at the time.

The "WASPocaust" is a historical lie propagated up by anti-semitic Paleoconservatives. There are plenty of remaining WASPs in the Northeast.

There hasn't been a WASP collapse, they've just absorbed Northeastern ethnic white groups into their New Deal liberal system. Their assimilation of white ethnic groups has also blurred the lines over whether a prominent Yankee is a WASP or ethnic white because of intermarriage among white ethnic groups up North (which is much more important than interracial marriage, btw). Intermarriage hasn't only affected Jews, most WASPs and other ethnic whites have some ancestry that makes them distinct compared to their ancestors in the early 1900s. For instance, most Italian Americans I know under the age of 30 don't have 4 Italian grandparents.

Btw, WASPs have done essentially nothing for conservatism since FDR. The last time they were conservative was the Harding-Coolidge era. Since then they've either been milquetoast Rockefeller Republicans

Here's is a list of elite WASPs (all of whom are either left liberals or , which I think should debunk any paleo-whining to the contrary (not that it's hard to debunk paleo-revisionism since the paleoconservatives are laughably ignorant of history)

The very liberal Supreme Court from 169-1994 was Episcopalian dominated and had no Jews on it.

Howard Dean

The Rockefeller family (such as US Senator Jay Rockeffeller)

The Roosevelt family (Such as prominent investor Theodore Roosevelt IV)

David Souter

John Paul Stevens

The Chaffee political family in Rhode Island (most notably former Senators John Chaffee and his son Lincoln Chaffee)

Multimillionaire and former Massachusetts governor William Weld

Many wealthy bankers on Wall Street are also high church Protestant.

"How bout Wasps and Jews runt his country along with a much much smaller cadre of usefull minorities."

The Northeast elite also includes many elite ethnic whites who have been "WASPified" such as the Kennedy's, the Cuomos, the Pelosis, and so on.

But as I noted, there's more and more confusion about which Northeaserner should count as a WASP because the WASPs and other white ethnic groups have intermarried with eachother over the years since the great wave migration ended. For example, John Kerry is both Forbes and Jewish, should he be counted as an elite WASP or an elite Jew?

Oh, and the Bush family is high WASP - the Bushes can trace their ancestry straight back to the Mayflower. But I guess having an elite WASP family hold the presidency for 12 years since 1988 means the WASPs are "out of power".

Nixon was a Quaker.

Romney is an elite WASP, but he may be much more conservative in office than any WASP since Coolidge because his Mormon religion has inoculated itself against New Deal ideology that's infected the Northeast's high Protestant denominations.

In a sense, elite Mormons like Romney and John Huntsman are UnReformed WASPs who missed out on the FDR era.

I think it's unfair to paint Austin Bramwell as one of those "anti-semitic paleoconservatives" just because he wrote that article for Taki's. He is an actual New York City WASP . He went to Yale and then Harvard Law. He's not like those anti-semitic paleocons that lurk at places like Taki's. I don't think those anti-semitic paleocons usually are WASPs or well-educated like Bramwell.

The Supreme Court is a "lagging indicator". Justices get appointed for life when they're middle-aged or fairly old. So its composition up until the 90s was not that indicative of the decline. If you look at the SCOTUS today though, there are no WASPs on it.

And if it's the case that WASPs have mixed significantly with other groups, then obviously that means they have declined as a distinct group.

I actually consider it a positive development when jews and wasps are fighting each other because one suggested the other comprised the liberal elite. At least we all recognize that as an insult. haha

Also it isn't just Bramwell who has made that point. Matthew Yglesias isn't anti-semitic or a paleocon. He is Jewish and went to Dalton (a NYC prep school) and then Harvard. He basically noted the same thing about "Gossip Girl" as Bramwell:

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2007/10/-em-gossip-girl-em/46750/

"I'm glad to see a show that tries to dramatize the decadent weirdness of the Upper East Side private school world (and they even added in a doesn't-fit-in character with an aging hipster dad), but where have all the Jews gone? The New York City elite hasn't been that kind of WASP preserve for decades. . . ."

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2007/10/-em-gossip-girl-em-and-the-jews/46762/

"Asking for Jewish characters in a depiction of rich people in New York City isn't a plea for diversity for diversity's sake, it's just that New York day schools are full of Jews."

"One of the few real WASPs who has a fashion company that caters to preppies is Lily Pulitzer"

Lilly Pulitzer's ex-husband, from whom she derives the surname, is at least partially of Jewish ancestry. His paternal grandfather, Joseph Pulitzer, was born to a Jewish family in Hungary.

"Yes, of course the WASPs are out of power, that's why the SCOTUS from 1969-1994 was Episcopalian dominated, and had no Jews at all as Justices at the time."

The current year is 2012. How many WASPs are on the Court now? Looks like zero:

Roberts - Catholic
Scalia - Italian
Alito - Italian
Kennedy - Irish
Thomas - Black
Ginsburg - Jewish
Breyer - Jewish
Kagan - Jewish
Sotomayor - Puerto Rican

Claiming that non-WASPs have been "Waspified" is moving the goal posts. Jews are ~2% of the US population (depending on how broadly you define "Jewish") and comprise a third of the SCOTUS. Pretty impressive for a group that's the WASPs' bitches.

"I think it's unfair to paint Austin Bramwell as one of those "anti-semitic paleoconservatives" just because he wrote that article for Taki's. He is an actual New York City WASP . He went to Yale and then Harvard Law. He's not like those anti-semitic paleocons that lurk at places like Taki's. I don't think those anti-semitic paleocons usually are WASPs or well-educated like Bramwell."

I don't care what Bramwell's background is because the FACTS show there are still many powerful WASPs. (And doesn't the fact Bramwell got into Harvard and Yale in the first place act as a strike against his thesis?)

We are about to elect as President of the United States a Harvard bred WASP corporatist from Massachusetts this November, and we've had 12 years of an elite WASP family (Bush 1.0 and Bush 2.0) who can trace their ancestry straight back to the Mayflower.

If the WASPs are an out of power ethnic group, why do they have such a firm hold on the highest elected office in the Western world?

"The Supreme Court is a "lagging indicator". Justices get appointed for life when they're middle-aged or fairly old. So its composition up until the 90s was not that indicative of the decline. If you look at the SCOTUS today though, there are no WASPs on it."

So according to you, the ethnic composition of the Supreme Court from 1969-1994 is a lagging indicator of influence, unless we look at the court today, in which case the composition of SCOTUS is a leading indicator.

Why was the Supreme Court's composition a "lagging" indicator from 1969-1994, but is a leading indicator today?

Btw, there were two WASPs (Souter and JP Stevens) and only two Jews (Ginsburg and Breyer) on the court from 1994 to 2009 when Souter retired and let Obama replace him with Sotomayor.

So the decline in WASP representation on the high court is only very recent, and probably not something one would want to use to prove a long term trend. Unless, of course, you're pushing a deceptive agenda with cherry picked facts...

"And if it's the case that WASPs have mixed significantly with other groups, then obviously that means they have declined as a distinct group."

A stupid argument.

First of all, by this logic, Jews and ethnic white groups such as Italian, Irish, and Greek Americans are no longer distinct groups because they've intermarried outside their ancestral groups to a substantial extend. Lena Dunham herself is by her own admission "Half WASP and Half Jew".

Secondly, WASPs have always been a continuously mixing group of white ethnic groups, originally English, German and Dutch (New York was originally named New Amsterdam) but also other talented members of pre-Great Wave European ethnic groups were adsorbed into the WASP elite. That mixing didn't stop them from being a distinct elite.

This is the best you can do?

"The current year is 2012. How many WASPs are on the Court now? Looks like zero:"

From 1994 to 2009, WASPs were 22.2% of the High Court because Souter and John Paul Stevens were still on it until Souter retired and was replaced by Sotomayor.

And one of the Obama's short list candidates to replace Souter, Justice Diane Woode, is a high WASP. But she is said to be MORE liberal than Elena Kagan, so if Woode had replaced Souter, we would be in worse shape with the WASP girl.

"Claiming that non-WASPs have been "Waspified" is moving the goal posts."

No it isn't moving goal posts. The WASPification of non-WASP whites shows that white ethnic groups are following WASP mores and habits when the climb their way into the elite. If ethnic whites are copying WASPs, then the WASP system is still being implemented.

"Jews are ~2% of the US population (depending on how broadly you define "Jewish") and comprise a third of the SCOTUS. Pretty impressive for a group that's the WASPs' bitches. "

Jewish overrepresentation is inflated by counting partial Jews as full Jews and then deceptively comparing them to the population of full Jews.

5% of all white Americans have substantial Jewish ancestry, so being a third of the high court for only 3 years is actually not that impressive when looking at Court demographics over the past 5 or 6 decades. A majority of all self-identifying Jews in the Ivy League are only half-Jewish, which is strike against the anti-semitic lie that the Ivies are Jew dominated.

And if you're going to cherry pick the composition elite institutions, then Jews are on the decline because there are no Jewish cabinet members in Obama's White House.

And why would conservatives even a want (non-Mormon) WASPs to be on the Supreme Court? The WASPs are liberals, not conservatives. Not only are WASPs (even the Republicans) liberals, but they've done almost nothing to advance conservatism since Coolidge.

What WASP would like to see replace the 9 non-WASP justices? Ned Lamont? Howard Dean? Governor Lincoln Chaffee?

I'd like to comment on Hackeysack's SCOTUS list. I understand why he has mixed descriptions -- to show that Roberts is Catholic and thus not a wasp. However, if he had listed all their religions then one would see there are NO protestants on the supreme court at all. There are 3 Jews and 6 Catholics including Thomas and Sotomayor.

My speculation is that a protestant justice would be so controversial that GOP presidents have opted to nominate conservative Catholics instead. Can you imagine the attacks by liberals, media, etc if a president tried to nominate an evangelical or baptist justice? They'd be screaming "religious right!" and fight it tooth and nail. But why no Episcopalians when SCOTUS used to be full of them? Simple. The Dems are too busy nominating Jews and Puerto Ricans. And it wouldn't make any sense for a conservative GOP prez to nominate a flaming liberal Episcopalian.

"Also it isn't just Bramwell who has made that point. Matthew Yglesias isn't anti-semitic or a paleocon."

Yglesias is an idiot. He just recently wrote ethnically Spanish Hispanic immigrants are subjected to racial discrimination. If you're going to base your arguments on appeals to authority, you should quote someone other than that moron.

"I'm glad to see a show that tries to dramatize the decadent weirdness of the Upper East Side private school world (and they even added in a doesn't-fit-in character with an aging hipster dad), but where have all the Jews gone? The New York City elite hasn't been that kind of WASP preserve for decades. . . ."

The NYC elite isn't restricted to just the city.

There are many wealthy, old money WASPs living in expensive Suburbs and nearby states like Massachusetts and Connecticut.

Even many wealthy Jews have left for the suburbs because it's so hard to get your kid into a white private school in the city itself. Increasingly, the remaining Jewish preschoolers consist of recent Eastern European immigrants and Orthodox Jews.

"(And doesn't the fact Bramwell got into Harvard and Yale in the first place act as a strike against his thesis?)"

Well no, since WASPs used to be an overwhelming majority at such places a few generations ago, but now are a minority there.

"Why was the Supreme Court's composition a "lagging" indicator from 1969-1994, but is a leading indicator today?"

I never said it was a "leading" indicator. It's still a lagging indicator.

"So the decline in WASP representation on the high court is only very recent"

That's what I mean by "lagging indicator".

"Unless, of course, you're pushing a deceptive agenda with cherry picked facts..."

What facts have I "cherry picked" and what "deceptive agenda" are you suggesting I'm pushing?

"A stupid argument.

First of all, by this logic, Jews and ethnic white groups such as Italian, Irish, and Greek Americans are no longer distinct groups because they've intermarried outside their ancestral groups to a substantial extend."

It's not really an argument. It's sort of an obvious point. If a group starts to significantly mix with other groups, then obviously it will decline as a distinct group.

"Yglesias is an idiot. He just recently wrote ethnically Spanish Hispanic immigrants are subjected to racial discrimination. If you're going to base your arguments on appeals to authority, you should quote someone other than that moron."

He's from New York, and he went to Dalton and Harvard. I think he knows what he's talking about here.

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