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June 19, 2012

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Some astute observations here. I think as the economy shrinks and you can no longer be a 100k a year realtor/housewife people are becoming more competitive about the high paying jobs which asians compete well in.

Just as there was resentment against jews in the past, there is anxiety that "the others" will start to take over and push everyone else out.

More important than anything you mention here is that Asians are the only minority which threaten the superiority of Whites. Both feeling superior, and the reality of it, at least economically in the near term.

"If you happen to know any Japanese-Americans, you will know that they are a lot more laid back and American in their attitudes than other Asians because most Japanese-Americans have been here for several generations."

Didn't the Japanese invent Karaoke? That's an extrovert sort of activity. From my experience going to Korean restaurants frequented mostly by Koreans, Koreans seem to get extroverted too once they get some liquor in them.

"Just as there was resentment against jews in the past, there is anxiety that "the others" will start to take over and push everyone else out".

Yes, and Undiscovered Jew's stance on Asian immigration in White societies could be made the same for European Jews who were unwelcomed repeatedly throughout history because they too also seemed "alien" in a White society.

I'm not sure that we (white people) need to stop immigration, generally.

Obviously immigrants vote for policies that are bad for us, but I think whites can survive and thrive under open borders. The real issue is breaking the cultural marxist monopoly on public discussion, making sure that whites are treated fairly and not discriminated against. On a marginally level playing field, we will always win, always, even against the big bad jooos. But I can see the argument that if immigration continues, fairness is impossible to expect.

The SWPL attitude toward Asians stem from the Caucasian female's envy and their inability to compete intellectually, physically, socially and emotionally.

Feminists started by shaming Caucasian males... via legal barriers for foreign brides to get a green card and citizenship or labeling these guys as "losers" which hasn't worked, since many of these men have expatriated. They now have decided to attack the Asians instead by combining East Asians (Japanese, Chinese and Korean) with South East Asians (NAMs of Asia).

This situation is comparable to Detroit Autos having a total monopoly on the US market in the 50s-70s and enjoying the hubris, till the Japanese and German cars were introduced. It warms my cockles that Toyota, VW, Hyundai, Honda and Nissan are dominating the market, while the Detroit companies are bankrupt and have to court NAMs and other undesirable market segments by offering ridiculous incentives.

This phenomenon is even more pronounced in the luxury car market, where proles and NAMs are stuck with domestic muscle while the white collar elite trades in Italian, German and British exotics every few years like their trophy wife "models".

Liberal SWPLs should see Asians as an ally, just like they see Jews as allies. Asians are more educated, hence more liberal and have the discretionary income to lobby for liberal causes. They also tend make peaceful quiet non-violent neighbors and discourage vices such as drugs and promiscuity, which creates stable households and emotionally stable citizens aka cogs in the machine.

Where do you think the majority of the tax dollars and social security is going to come in 20-30 years when the US population is a quarter Hispanic and 15% African American? That's nearly 40% NAMs...

Regarding karaoke, I vaguely remember it being an outgrowth of a movement among Japanese businessmen to foster extroversion by daring the young grinds to burst out singing on street corners..I think 60 Minutes covered it. From that grew karaoke, I believe.

Anyway, I work for Asian elites who have done well for themselves in this country. They are parsimonious but treat me well, in that a big corp would have laid me off years ago, but they let me stay around.

But they do not deign to socialize with anyone but other elites and preferably their own family. In 17 years I remember only one time the CEO came to the back office, to check out a turf war between departments..I could tell it pained him terribly to be among us like that.

Female asians tend to have no qualms in going for typically male job roles (STEM etc) in the same way white females would.
Ego centered geeks hate being shown up by a girl.

asians dominate northeast queens, us leftover old whites will soon be history. i can't knock them as neighbors as they aren't loud or nuisances, but you can't interact with them on any level other than the most superficial.

i'm glad 2 of my boys were in bronx science when it was merely one third asian rather than over half as it is now. they lived up to their reputation as joyless grinds there if my boys can be believed. my oldest's physics teacher told me that the white kids were the seemingly effortless 'naturals' in the smarts dept ; the asians' achievement came at tremendous sacrifice in time and energy. their parents think academic failure is due only to not trying hard enough which must be psychologically damaging to their kids. thru a friend of a gym teacher there, i learned there were student suicides, not acknowledged as such of course.

OTOH, one of my daughters is close friends with several chinese girls. talking to them one can see the residual effect of their culture on them, e.g. surprising ignorance about some facts you'd assume everyone knows. my daughter jokes that they won't know stuff that 'won't be on the test.' IOW, their americanization is incomplete.

once it is, it'll be interesting to see how much of their behavior is due to culture and how much genetic.

Oriental women dig white guys. Why?

But do Indian women dig white guys? I don't think so.

"...are a lot more laid back and American in their attitudes..."

They are indistinguishable in my experience. They are totally acculturated. But is being here so long the only reason? There have been Chinese here since the transcontinental railroad at least. Where are they now?

Mostly loser whites choose asians as wives. Most well to do white guys wants white women as their trophy wives instead of asian women. This is confirmation that most HBDers are lower beta males and even omega males.

The problem with Asians is they waste affluence. The whole point of being affluent is to have fun. Asians are joyless balls of shame and insecurity.

Phew!

ANOTHER GOOD reason to NOT hang out with AZNs.

And to think, I was running out of them!

Actually, I find that guys in STEM fields seem to like it when there are a few girls there. Of course, it's not 'diversity' they're fond of.

The real problem nobody wants to talk about here, because it hits too close to home, is that they may form a self-interested elite that advocates for its own interests. It was bad enough when our relatives dragged the USA into supporting Israel, but Israel can't survive without the USA. China, on the other hand, is our chief competitor. It's not too crazy to imagine Chinese-American scientists leaking secrets to China. European Jewish scientists brought nuclear knowledge to Israel, after all.

(Of course, if it hadn't been for those guys, we wouldn't have the bomb at all, so it was a net plus. But we should be aware.)

One thing that sinks in after some decades of teaching, both in the states and abroad, is how culture-specific the Western view of thought, education, and the role of curiosity in the life of the individual is. If you live among reasonably bright people in N. America or Europe, or most of Latin America, it's easy to see these values as "universal," but I have my doubts.

Spend a significant amount of time elsewhere, and you'll see that even smart people have an approach to education that is at times bewildering . . . everything geared toward performance on exams, despite a univerally agreed upon distinction between what one learns for exams and what one might usefully apply in the "real world." Education is a grim endurance event spent overcoming a series of increasingly difficult hurdles, simply to prove that one can. And the idea of just reading out of curiosity, and for pleasure . . . an utter waste of time, akin to digging a hole, filling it up, then digging it out again.

Of course, I'm generalizing, and independently curious people exist everywhere, but in many countries they're out of step with the whole educational enterprise, and even their brighter peers consider them weird and possibly self-destructive in their abberant tastes. These sometimes very bright students just tend to become increasingly bitter, or disoriented, as they fall by the wayside. Or plot a move to more hospitable grounds.

I think white men are foolish to caricature Asian women as old fashioned or subservient.

Frankly, I have no problem living with (and competing against) the Asian community. I'll take them over the alternative.

I do understand the introverted thing -- living in NYC, you come to accept that interactions with Chinese and/or Koreans are sometimes robotic. Also, it's a rite of passage to see an Asian man clipping his nails on the subway.

"But do Indian women dig white guys? I don't think so." - Nicolai

They certainly do. Indian women hate Indian men. Too beta. Indian chicks frequently date white and black guys in secret.

Asian women date white guys, but there's another crucial difference. Asian women are much less turned on by "alpha" characteristics in a guy than white women. An attractive Asian woman is much more likely to date a successful, but somewhat nerdy guy over an alpha bad boy or pickup artist. At least compared to the typical white woman (even the typical educated white woman).

Understanding this makes it obvious why San Francisco is a tech mecca even though it California has one of the most unfriendly business climates.

"If you happen to know any Japanese-Americans, you will know that they are a lot more laid back and American in their attitudes than other Asians because most Japanese-Americans have been here for several generations."

Yeah, I grew up in California, and I can truthfully say that the Japanese American kids that I knew were completely Anglo-American in affect. Indeed, Asians of my acquaintance who were not Japanese-American were frequently a tad envious of how completely Americanized the Japanese-Americans are. I think that there was even a scene in Maxine Hong Kingston's TRIPMASTER MONKEY where the narrator comments on how Japanese-Americans always pass the phone test (i.e., if you talk to a Japanese-American on the phone, you think that you are talking to a White guy).

Asian tend to be entrepenuerial. They especially tend to concentrate in hardware-oriented fields (e.g. real engineering and technical) such as semiconductors and bioengineering, as opposed to software and IT (i.e. Google, Facebook). I believe that 1/3 to 1/2 of all of the Silicon Valley start-ups in the 1980's had Asian co-founders.

Why is having more of these people in the U.S. a problem? Would it be better if they started such businesses in China instead?

Asian women are much less turned on by "alpha" characteristics in a guy than white women. An attractive Asian woman is much more likely to date a successful, but somewhat nerdy guy over an alpha bad boy or pickup artist.

This also strikes me as beneficial rather than a "problem".

I think you have this a little backwards. Asians don't gravitate toward whites socially. They just gravitate toward things where there are more whites than any other group. Things like math, science, classical music, chess, etc. Asians like these things. So if you work, or study, or have a hobby in these areas, well then you will find Asians coming your way. But they aren't coming for you per se. They are coming for the activity. There are tons of whites in churches, but Asians are definitely not over represented there. If they are religious, they tend to have their own churches.

ugh. ANY body who says Indian and ESP AZN chicks (the jap grlz are OFF the charts)are sweet cuddwy widdle balls of fwuff

NEVER DATEd the HOT ONES

If they're 9's they are the WORST HUMAN BEINGS on the planet.

[Next to Alex Pareene]

"I think that Asians also make SWPL whites uncomfortable because of all of the white male/Asian female couples and the lack of mixed-race couples who run in the other direction. This brings up a lot of HBD issues that good white liberals don’t want to think about."

I seem to recall reading that the gender imbalance in Asian/white relationships is no longer quite as skewed as it used to be. WM/AF pairings outnumber the reverse by a noticeable margin, but it's not as overwhelming as in the past. And it's nothing like the huge gender skew in black/white relationships (or Hispanic/white relationships in the Northeast), which by the way is showing no signs of narrowing.

Asian men may have some reason to be bothered by all the WM/AF pairings, though I don't know if that actually happens much, but there's no reason for whites, SWPL or otherwise, to care. Except in a very few areas there simply aren't enough Asians for WM/AF pairings to have any meaningful effect on the dating market.

Being a rather extroverted Asian American male who've only ever dated white women, I agree with most of your observations lol. I hope the geekier males of your race will take full advantage of the easy asian women trying to beautify their own genes and create white women.

The lack of testosterone in the males of my race is the principle reason a normal; American white women would rather be celebate than have anything to do with them. I'm different in that I work my ass off at the gym and do not give a rat's ass about social 'rules'. The typical Red blooded American would be miserable in an Asian environment, how do I know? because I am miserable in this environment. The women have no sex drive, unathletic and ugly by white standard.

If the typical beta white male stands little chance with white American women, the typical asian male stand 0 chance with a typical American white women.

However....as resources become ever more scarce, this whole game will change.

@Doug: you are thinking of American 'white women'. I know for a fact that european white women are less turned on by the American Idea of 'alpha' bad boy types. The german girls i have met are introverted and respects intelligence. An American women wants the 'bad' boy alpha. The amount of success black guys get with white American women in terms of sex and social attention is pretty high nowadays. They've been raised that way; because we value strength so highly. Go out West and you'll see every other black guy with a white women toting their black babies.

"Asian men may have some reason to be bothered by all the WM/AF pairings, though I don't know if that actually happens much, but there's no reason for whites, SWPL or otherwise, to care. Except in a very few areas there simply aren't enough Asians for WM/AF pairings to have any meaningful effect on the dating market."

I've always wondered why Asian guys (generally) aren't bothered by this. But according to these articles Asian guys in America shouldn't be worried:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/01/fashion/more-asian-americans-marrying-within-their-race.html?pagewanted=all

Bad news for beta white males?

http://thyblackman.com/2012/05/05/yep-black-people-do-get-married/

"For men Asian (80%) and white (74%) had the highest probabilities of first marriage by age 35, while black (61%) and U.S.-born Hispanic (60%) men had the lowest."

So basically Asian guys in America by 35 have the highest rate of marriage of any ethnic group. Explains why they're not complaining.

Also, if white guys continue to pull girls like Priscilla Chan, I'd be surprised if Asians guys don't actively cheer them on.

I have dated a lot of asian women and find it humorous when their ex's ask about me. Of course, I ask what it is that their ex wants to know about me. The most predominant question from them is if their penis is bigger. The only reason I can think of as to why I have dated so many asian women is through the asian female gossip mill. Most of them find it hard to date asian men because of the culture demands they place on them. I believe however, that black women are the most racist hands down when it comes to black men dating white women.

"Asian tend to be entrepenuerial."

Rofl. Do you know what the entreprenurialism rates are in Asia. They are terrible. And Asian countries are terrible at innovating once they've reached first world status. Companies routinely complain Asians are bad self starters.

What you see in Silicon Valley is the best of the best from all over the world. What's left in their own countries is billions of mediocrity. Give me two billion Asians and I'd be dissapointed if they couldn't start a few tech companies, even if the rate of entreprenurialism is low.

In truth, I like Asians. I've lived in Asia, I mostly had Asian friends in high school. But they are clearly followers, not leaders.

A lot of you guys really hit the nail wrt to asian parents and parenting styles. It's because in Asia, passing a test means the difference between life time success, social acceptance and career advancement. Over there, it's not just a way of getting ahead in life, it's THE ONLY WAY to get ahead. Grinding is another thing which I hate very much about asian parenting. But looking into the context of Acing an exam, however arbitrary and useless that magic A+ is, it's how they get on in life over in Asia, and it's also why Asia is such a joyless hellhole. Think of it in the context of culture and you'll understand why it is what it is.

I understand all too well the price of investing so much into so useless a task as making the grades. It's also why our human capital is so low compared to the west. They invest so much into school, 15 hr study days from what i've heard in China. There is little understanding of diminishing return on investment. Little innovation and original thoughts can be fostered from such lousy environment.

Anyways, before you think WM/AF thing is just a fad, come to the bay area and see for yourself. This also surprisingly has a way of pushing white women towards non-white men. There is clear social message being sent, seeing the number of this happening has a psychological effect if you're thinking of your own 'group' whichever group you are born into. I personally don't care one way or the other for asian women; being that they don't fit my physical and psychological 'profile' as undiscovered jew mentioned lol. So yes nerdy white guys, Asian women definitely love you long time. Take advantage of it if you're lonely lol. Just keep in mind the social message you're sending, it's not what you think it is. You will look less in the eye of white women, but if you have no sex drive to begin with, might as well enjoy the company.

I have a friend who is a third generation Chinese American (his grandparents came with his great grandparents as illegal immigrants when the Chinese could not legally immigrate). He is among the "whitest," preppiest dude I've ever met. He doesn't even date Asian girls because most Asians are first generation and are too "Asian." My view is that the inborn "cognitive profile" of Asians is quite similar, or at least malleable and adaptable, to that of Whites.

Everyone seem to point out that Asians are just study drones with a lack of personality and creativity.

Undiscovered Jew would say that Jewish people are a lot more creative than Asians and thus belong in a White society more than East Asians. I can make an argument that Asians would be much more compatible in a European gentile society than Jews. Asians are far more dynamic and a lot more productive. Jews rarely produce and are/ were overrepresented in fields that don't produce anything of value. Think of fields such as Wall St. and Law just to name a few. The same could be said of working class Irish and Italians. These people haven't progressed much, and are still stuck in a time capsule. Meanwhile the Asians are becoming the new elite, and we have our cool neighborhoods with a lot of energy and dynamism. Whites and Blacks love to visit our neighborhoods for our tasty foods and fun shops not found in other neighborhoods.

"the luxury car market, where proles and NAMs are stuck with domestic muscle ..."

The current radio ad for the SF-Oakland Mercedes dealership features a black narrator (I think it might be that down and out DJ with the really deep voice that got famous a few months ago for rehabbing or whatever). Would this mean blacks are current buyers of Benzes, or is the administration forcing them to market to blacks?

Rupert Murdoch, Woody Allen, John Lennon, Vivi Nevo, Mark Zuckerberg and Bruce Wasserstein must all be "losers" for marrying Asians.

HBD wise this would be the best evolutionary process since Asians and Ashkenazi Jews have the highest cognitive ability and subsequent IQ average.

What you see in Silicon Valley is the best of the best from all over the world. What's left in their own countries is billions of mediocrity. Give me two billion Asians and I'd be dissapointed if they couldn't start a few tech companies, even if the rate of entreprenurialism is low.

Thats my point. We get the more pioneering, outward-oriented ones. We are never going to have 2 billion Asians in this country. We won't even have 200 million. At most, we will get 20 million or so and they will be the better ones.

"HBD wise this would be the best evolutionary process since Asians and Ashkenazi Jews have the highest cognitive ability and subsequent IQ average".

Ashekenazi IQ is somewhat overrated and overplayed. European gentile IQs has shown much productivity and innovation. You are underestiimating White gentiles who are responsible some of the greatest artistic achievements and ideas that have shaped our modern world.

"And the idea of just reading out of curiosity, and for pleasure . . . an utter waste of time"

I used to know a native Egyptian who ran a magazine store in Berkeley. One time he said to me, "you like to read, don't you?" I say, again, he ran a newstand.

"But looking into the context of Acing an exam, however arbitrary and useless that magic A+ is, it's how they get on in life over in Asia, and it's also why Asia is such a joyless hellhole. Think of it in the context of culture and you'll understand why it is what it is."

Chinese have been taking standardized test (invented/implemented on a whole scale) since AD 605, in order to become a mandarin which guaranteed a life of prosperity for their families. It not much different in their minds today unfortunately they don't see this as an onerous process but instead a long established part of the culture for the last 1400 years.

"Liberal SWPLs should see Asians as an ally, just like they see Jews as allies. Asians are more educated, hence more liberal and have the discretionary income to lobby for liberal causes".

Why would they? They have an agenda. It's like asking why the US isn't courting China as an ally instead of a rival.

And fyi, many Jews are now part of the SWPL camp as to not make any clear distinction.


Peter:"And it's nothing like the huge gender skew in black/white relationships (or Hispanic/white relationships in the Northeast), which by the way is showing no signs of narrowing."

RE: Hispanics, I'm unaware of any significant gender imblance vis-a-via relationships with Anglo Whites. Via Steve Sailer:

"Gender: Among blacks and Asians, there are stark differences by gender in the tendency to marry outside their own racial group. Some 22% of all black male newlyweds in 2008 married outside their race, compared with just 9% of black female newlyweds. Among Asians, the gender pattern runs the opposite way. Some 40% of Asian female newlyweds in 2008 married outside their race, compared with just 20% of Asian male newlyweds.
Among whites and Hispanics, by contrast, there are no gender differences in intermarriage rates."

Of course, you did say in the "Northeast," so perhaps there are geographical divergences in the data?

There's a bit of confusion here: first, white male/asian female in most cases is not a mail-order-bride case. Both are usually American, and the nuance here is that white males find asian females attractive, whereas white females do not feel the same way about asian males. Thus the disparity, so upsetting (supposedly) to the DWLs (btw, about these cute acronyms, could we avoid using them? I've no clue what NAM is or HBD... speak English, for Christ's sakes). When it comes to mail-order brides, I'd agree that it's losers who take advantage (and they often lose as a result too, since, once they have played their role of an entry ticket, they serve no further purpose and often are unceremoniously discarded). Again, the phenomenon referred to in the article has nothing to do with mail order.

European Jews who were unwelcomed repeatedly throughout history because they too also seemed "alien" in a White society.

Just speculating,

You're underestmating the historical importance of the religious difference and overestimating the importance of race, particularly in a pre-20th century context. Countries with large minority populations, like the U.S. and Brazil, are among the places where "white" identification is strongest. Europeans in Europe tend to see themselves more as tied to their ethno-nationality than to umbrella "whiteness." Even regional differences have salience, such as between Bavarians and Prussians or between Provencals and Parisians. This has been the case since the Middle Ages.


Jews rarely produce and are/ were overrepresented in fields that don't produce anything of value.

What you wrote has its kernel of truth, but Jews have produced some useful, or at least important, things: the first rigorous proof of the existence of electromagnetic waves (Heinrich Hertz, half-Jew), a chemical process for nitrogen fixation (Fritz Haber), some of the earliest chemical weapons (also Fritz Haber), the atomic (and hydrogen) bomb, and the first usable form of napalm (Louis Fieser) spring to mind. The nitrogen fixation process was supremely important and arguably one of the things that made it possible for all of us reading this blog not to starve today.

I am 1/2 Korean, and my mother and grandmother immigrated to the US from Korea in the 1960s.

I must say that many of the comments made on Asian culture are incorrect. The person who thinks that southeast Asians are the NAMs of Asia should look at Korea's history. Actually, looking at the dysfunction of Koreans living in Japan demonstrates that racial discrimination can have as much of an impact on one's outcomes in life as genetic abilities. Liberals could find many great examples from Asia to prove their points on social issues, but like other whites, they just resort to stereotyping Asians.

The reason that SWPLs avoid Asians is very simple. Whites, SWPLs included, lack an ability to empathize with nonwhites. In a few studies, they've shown that whites are equally unresponsive neurologically when they see Asians, blacks, and southeast Asians. For the average white person, looking at a nonwhite is like looking at a blank screen.

When we can't empathize with people, this causes a lot of problems when we're around them. If you can't read someone's cues for example, they will make you uncomfortable. Even though SWPLs blab about being tolerant, they are ignorant of their biological realities and don't even understand that they subconsciously loathe nonwhites, just like other whites.

Study after study shows that white kids basically come out of the womb with a disdain for nonwhites. Oddly, nonwhites tend to respond well to whites.

I believe that based on this understanding, whites must be kept separate from nonwhites. It just becomes dangerous when you're put in positions where you're relying on someone who has no empathy toward you to help you in any capacity.

While many nonwhites are capable of shedding stereotypes after being exposed to people from different races, whites lack this capacity. Yet the media acts as if a few cultural sensitivity classes is all it will take to stop whites from subconsciously viewing everyone as an inferior.

If we don't acknowledge the truth, there will never be an end to racial conflict in this world from trying to accommodate everyone into white societies. Whites need to be kept completely separate from other races.

Woody Allen, John Lennon and Mark Zuckerberg are/were losers

The only problem with a model minority is that 15 years later you want to import another one.

"There has been a commenter talking about how we need to stop Asian immigration because Asians and whites have different personalities and mental abilities, and therefore they don’t enjoy each other’s company."

That's only a small part of a larger problem with Asian immigrants: Culture depends on race because the culture, i.e. the way a population's abilities are organized, is dependent on the psychological profile and abilities of the population that created the culture.

Western civilization on culture depends depends on the mental characteristics of whites because white cognitive traits are adapted and selected to operate in Western cultural environs better than Asians are.

In other words, Asians are not culturally interchangeable with whites, and too many Asians will damage Western culture, though not as badly as NAMs with their low intelligence level is.

Whites are Darwinian-ly adapted to work with and organize with other whites because their cognitive profiles overlap with other whites. If a neighborhood becomes too Asian (or too much of any non-white group) whites don't want to engage in activities that involve preserving their neighborhood (which was proven in "Bowling alone").

The reason I advocate 100% whites only immigration is simply because whites assimilate better and there is no side benefit Asians bring that isn't also brought by white immigrants. The policy is also optimal.

Assume, purely for the sake argument, you are a satellite manufacturer and you have to choose between two types of heat shields you intend to place on a million satellites your company is contracted to launch into space.

Now, suppose your options are you can choose between heat shield Y which is 75% more heat resistant than the heat shield industry average and heat shield Z which is only 37.5% more heat resistant than the industry average.

Knowing these facts, under this scenario it would be logical for 100% of your heat shield purchases to go to heat shield Y because heat shield Y Performs it's mission better. If you know heat shield Y performs better, then there is no logical reason to put heat shield Z on 10% or less of your future satellites because you have an alternative that will perform it's mission better.

Likewise, there is no reason white nations should not logically reserve 100% of their immigration slots for whites immigrants only. The reason 100% whites only immigration is perfectly sensible is for the same reason the satellite company in the above scenario should reserve 100% of their heat shield purchases for heat shield Y only: Whites assimilate better than Asians because of Darwinian selective pressure on psychological traits and are therefore BETTER at preserving the cultural characteristics of Western Civilization.

Since there's nothing Asians can do that whites can't, why isn't sensible immigration policy for 100% of immigration positions to be reserved exclusively for whites?

"HBD wise this would be the best evolutionary process since Asians and Ashkenazi Jews have the highest cognitive ability and subsequent IQ average."

It probably lowers white scientific apptitude because Eurasians aren't adept at math and science, so Asian and white scientific traits don't appear to synergize.

However, to the extent interracial relationships are a problem, it is a very only miniscule one because admixture is much too recent to change the broader white cognitive profile and because would be quite easy to encourage mixed race and interracial pairings to use IVf to produce fully white children. Non-white and mixed race women would be quite easy to persuade to go the IVF route because they have relatively worse dating options compared to white women (because they tend to not want to date their own men) and because women are universally more subject to social pressure.

So from this perspective, Interracial marriage will, ironically for the all the pointless fulmination about it, actually be a positive for maintaining Western culture.

"I agree that the average Asian is more introverted than the average white, but the extent of the difference is vastly exaggerated by the cultural norms of Asian countries (which encourage grinding) and the United States (which encourage extreme extroversion)."

Even if you think there are benefits to some Asian immigration, do you agree that whites should be at least heavily favored in Western immigration policy, with only a relatively smaller amount of immigration slots for Asians?

Obviously you agree that there is no benefit to low IQ immigrants.

"European Jews who were unwelcomed repeatedly throughout history because they too also seemed "alien" in a White society."

1) Jews were unwelcome mostly because of their religion for most of their European history. Before Hitler, Jews were considered acceptably white for Victorian England to elect an ethnically Jewish prime minister when their empire was at it's zenith. The slave owning Confederate States gave full citizenship to their Jews and a Jew was their secretary of state. In the early 1900s, Benjamin Cardozo, a Portuguese Jew, was considered white enough to be a Supreme Court Justice, and this was during a time when the KKK was considered to be a mainstream organization.

Racially motivated discrimination of Jews was relatively rare prior to Hitler.

Jews that converted to Christianity were normally given the full rights of being a Christian even though there ethnicity stayed the same.

2) Jews are white.

3) There aren't two billion Jews to import to the United States like there are Asians. Also, most Jews at elite colleges are now half-Jews because of intermarriage, so the over representation of Jews in elite fields has been exaggerated through counting partial Jews as full Jews.

4) Jewish scientific accomplishment dwarfs Asians.

Even half-Jews have already greatly outproduced Asian scientist achievement.

Although one could certainly argue for others, a decent case could be made that the greatest mathematician of the 20th century is Alexander Grothendieck, a halfie:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Grothendieck

Life
Family and childhood

Alexander Grothendieck was born in Berlin to anarchist parents: a Ukrainian father from an ultimately Hassidic family, Alexander "Sascha" Shapiro aka Tanaroff, and a mother from a German Protestant family, Johanna "Hanka" Grothendieck; both of his parents had broken away from their early backgrounds in their teens.[1] At the time of his birth Grothendieck's mother was married to Johannes Raddatz, a German journalist, and his birthname was initially recorded as Alexander Raddatz. The marriage was dissolved in 1929 and Shapiro/Tanaroff acknowledged his paternity, but never married Hanka Grothendieck.[1]

Grothendieck lived with his parents until 1933 in Berlin. At the end of that year, Shapiro moved to Paris, and Hanka followed him the next year. They left Grothendieck in the care of Wilhelm Heydorn, a Lutheran Pastor and teacher[2] in Hamburg where he went to school. During this time, his parents took part in the Spanish Civil War in supporting rather than fighting roles.[3]


Alexander Grothendieck (ˈgrotenˌdiːk, born 28 March 1928) is a mathematician and the central figure behind the creation of the modern theory of algebraic geometry. His research program vastly extended the scope of the field, incorporating major elements of commutative algebra, homological algebra, sheaf theory, and category theory into its foundations. This new perspective led to revolutionary advances across many areas of pure mathematics. Grothendieck speaks French, English and German.

Within algebraic geometry itself, his theory of schemes has become the universally accepted language for all further technical work. His generalization of the classical Riemann-Roch theorem launched the study of algebraic and topological K-theory. His construction of new cohomology theories has left deep consequences for algebraic number theory, algebraic topology, and representation theory. His creation of topos theory has had an impact on set theory and logic.

One of his most celebrated achievements is the discovery of the first arithmetic Weil cohomology theory: the ℓ-adic étale cohomology. This key result opened the way for a proof of the Weil conjectures, ultimately completed by his student Pierre Deligne. To this day, ℓ-adic cohomology remains a fundamental tool for number theorists, with important applications to the Langlands program.

Grothendieck’s way of thinking has influenced generations of mathematicians long after his departure from mathematics. His emphasis on the role of universal properties brought category theory into the mainstream as an important organizing principle. His notion of abelian category is now the basic object of study in homological algebra. His conjectural theory of motives has been a driving force behind modern developments in algebraic K-theory, motivic homotopy theory, and motivic integration.

Driven by deep personal and political convictions, Grothendieck left the Institut des Hautes Études Scientifiques, where he had been appointed professor and accomplished his greatest work, after a dispute over military funding in 1970. His mathematical activity essentially ceased after this, and he devoted his energies to political causes. He formally retired in 1988 and within a few years moved to the Pyrenees, where he currently lives in isolation from human society.

AE wrote:
"Actually, looking at the dysfunction of Koreans living in Japan demonstrates that racial discrimination can have as much of an impact on one's outcomes in life as genetic abilities."

This is a great point you bring up. Koreans in Japan form about 0.5% of the population but something like 10~20% of Yakuza. Koreans in Japan mostly trace their origins to laborers who were brought from Korea (then under Japanese rule) to assist Japanese war effort in WWII.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakuza#Ethnic_Koreans

"At most, we will get 20 million or so and they will be the better ones."

There are already 18 million and there will be more unless immigration is changed.

Some percentage of the population being Asian is not a huge problem (pre-Apartheid and Apartheid South Africa had Indians as citizens), certainly not to the extent that NAMs are but the cognitive overlap between Asians and whites is still too great that you can can import tens of millions and still expect a white Western country to remain Western.

There is an inherent evol-psych/Darwinian-adaptive limit to how well Asians can take up the mantle of whites.

Nebbish,

You said: You're underestmating the historical importance of the religious difference and overestimating the importance of race, particularly in a pre-20th century context.

Jews were always considered foreign throughout European History, which culminated into Nazi Germany as Hitler believe Jews were a different race with a different set of behavorial norms from European Gentiles. Yes, race wasn't an issue in a pre-20th century context. Jews were no different from the Moors, Huns, Turks and Mongols in the eyes of the Europeans. They were all foreign and non-European.

You also said: What you wrote has its kernel of truth, but Jews have produced some useful, or at least important, things: the first rigorous proof of the existence of electromagnetic waves...

Which clearly proves that Ashkenazi IQ has been overestimated, and Asian creativity and originality underestimated. I'm sick of hearing the same old tirade that Asians are inherently less creative and original than Caucasians.

We don't need more Chinatowns and Koreatowns and everything that it implies. (non-english signs, immigration fraud,tax evasion, prostitution, Chinese spies, takeover of all liquor stores, after hours drinking in bling pigs, illegal gambling dens, organized crime and street gangs like "Asians Boyz" in LA, illegal street racing by souped up "rice rockets", not to mention take over of colleges and the cultural, social dislocation it creates, and finally the ethnic identity politics found in San Francisco and Oakland and intellectual terrorism among Vietnamese refugees in Southern California.
So please, no! You realize places like California are already 12% Asian/oriental, most foreign born. Talk about demographic substitution.

Any commenter who argues Asians are substantially interchangeable with whites and who *isn't* now living in an overwhelmingly Asian neighborhood has disproven their own argument and proven my argument by demonstrating they, as white people, prefer to socially interact with other whites.

If you prefer Asians more or equally to whites, why aren't you living in overwhelmingly Asian neighborhoods? Why aren't your friends and the people you enjoy hanging out with the most Asians if the two populations have interchangeable civilization building abilities?

"Ashekenazi IQ is somewhat overrated and overplayed. European gentile IQs has shown much productivity and innovation. You are underestiimating White gentiles who are responsible some of the greatest artistic achievements and ideas that have shaped our modern world."

Ashkenazi Jews are genetically 60-66% European (mostly Southern European), and the rest is either Anatolian or Northern Levantine Arab (probably mostly Anatolian). So the cognitive ability of Jews is the result of inhereting white cogntive traits and then being selected for intelligence.

However, Jews have lower variance than white gentiles.

According to Charles Murray, Jews have an STDV of only 13 while gentile whites have a STDV of 16.67.

In other words, there are fewer dumb Jews pulling down the Ashkenazi IQ average because gentile whites produce the broad spectrum of absolute geniuses or absolute morons.

"When we can't empathize with people, this causes a lot of problems when we're around them. If you can't read someone's cues for example, they will make you uncomfortable. Even though SWPLs blab about being tolerant, they are ignorant of their biological realities and don't even understand that they subconsciously loathe nonwhites, just like other whites."

Care to link me to the study you're referring too? I'm sure the way people look has a role in how easily people can empathize to your situation, and I'll agree white people are easier to empathize in general with by all races, but it's stretching it a little to say white people are in general non-empathetic to nonwhites. I'm very open to being wrong on this one one.

"That's only a small part of a larger problem with Asian immigrants: Culture depends on race because the culture, i.e. the way a population's abilities are organized, is dependent on the psychological profile and abilities of the population that created the culture."

I'm not sure this is true or not, but the younger; more liberal me would argue with you that this is wrong. Nowadays, I'm fairly sure there's some truth to that statement. I think the way you look plays an important role in the way culture is created. My own pet theory is that western society is partly the way it is because of the way it's women looked. If for example, we were to replace white women with asian women, would there still be the same degree of empathy/compassion towards women? Or would you guys treat your women just like how everyone else treat their own women?

@BUBBA

HBD = Human Biodiversity
NAM = Non-Asian Minorities

@Undiscovered Jew
You might want to add: culture's ability to sustain itself into your argument. Look into culture's ability to sustain itself through generations, and phenotypic changes which can occur to disrupt that ability. You'll built yourself a better case, but I'm already ahead of ya on that one lol.

There's a bit of confusion here: first, white male/asian female in most cases is not a mail-order-bride case. Both are usually American, and the nuance here is that white males find asian females attractive, whereas white females do not feel the same way about asian males.

Yes, but WM/AF couples have the biggest diparity in age (with the gap being 5+ years) and income (with the Asian female being the much poorer). In AM/WF couples, there are no disparities (income, age gap is relatively nonexistent). According to this blogger,

http://www.shiuanbutler.com/2012/04/01/asian-americans-increasingly-prefer-dating-asian-americans/

It's clear that AM/WF copules are "healthier" based more on true love? rathern than economics.

"That's an extrovert sort of activity."

Sort of. With Japanese karaoke, each group gets their own private room. You don't get up and sing in front of a bunch of strangers.

"Jews rarely produce and are/ were overrepresented in fields that don't produce anything of value."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_Nobel_laureates

TIL that Nobel prize winning scientific research is not something of "value."

"Ashkenazi Jews are genetically 60-66% European (mostly Southern European), and the rest is either Anatolian or Northern Levantine Arab (probably mostly Anatolian). So the cognitive ability of Jews is the result of inhereting white cogntive traits and then being selected for intelligence.

However, Jews have lower variance than white gentiles".

Yes, and they were hated by White gentiles throughout history and were kept out of White society so to speak. Think of the word Ghetto and "the Shetl" in Eastern Europe.

How can you prove the concept of similar cognitive abilities between the Ashkenazim and the European Gentile? If you are making the case that they are similar, let's gather all the Caucasian populations under one umbrella regardless of culture and religion. Let's get the North African Muslims who are White, the Levantine Arabs, the White Anatolian Turks, and the White Iranians, many whom could pass for Southern European, to see if they are all compatible because according to you, their White genes dictates certain similar behaviors which overrides any differences in culture or religion. Further, according to you, the state of Israel could be a failure because of the genetic differences between the Ashkenazim and the Mizrahim (those Middle Eastern Jews without European admixture).

My take on NAMs is different. They are of a lower intellect and ability by nature, and thus nurture cannot make them any better, such that, they can create self functional societies.

And just to let you know, the Sephardim who hail from Spain is more Southern European than the Ashkenazim. And yes, I believe there is stark behavorial differences between the Medish White population and the Nordic types which may not bode well for a pan White society, if culture gets in the way. Most Europeans are not interested in creating polygot, hodgepodge or melting pot societies that are typical of Anglosphere nations.

"Jewish scientific accomplishment dwarfs Asians".

And the European Gentile dwarf Ashkenazim in achievements pertaining to all areas of human life, despite the fact that they are both equally White and have been living in Europe for centuries. The Asians have been learning Western sciences and have been living in White societies for a relatively short time. You are comparing the Asians to a group of people who were ingrained in the European tradition for a long time, and who were not European.

I'm not surprised ethnic Koreans in Japan do poorly. The Japanese are some of the most intensely racist people on earth--they paid to make a bunch of Brazilian immigrants *of Japanese ancestry* go away forever. Besides, even if Koreans are smart, so are the Japanese. It's not like the Chinese in Malaysia. Japanese racism may work pretty well for Japan, but we ought to call a spade a spade ;)

As for gentile whites: of course they produce most of the scientific discoveries, they outnumber Jewish whites 100 to 1!

Americanized East Asians are quite similar to Americanized Scandinavians, imo. Similar levels of intelligence, introversion, creativity, conformity and conscientiousness.

"Jews were always considered foreign throughout European History, which culminated into Nazi Germany as Hitler believe Jews were a different race with a different set of behavorial norms from European Gentiles."

Yes, Jews were considered foreign, but there was a lot more squabbling going on between different autochthonous groups within what are now the same national borders. It took a lot less to be "foreign" back then. My point is that the religious element was stronger in the persecutions before the 20th century. There were massacres associated with the preaching of each crusade and associated with supposed episodes of religious ritual murder or desecration of the host. Hitler and the Nazis were a 20th century phenomenon, and their most important precursors in articulating well-developed theories of racial anti-Semitism really pick up only around the mid-19th century.

You yourself admit that Jews were legally restricted from participation in society for hundreds of years. Inward focus on Talmud study reigned during that period, and admittedly little of secular value was produced. Why should that period of backwardness be more indicative of Jewish IQ than the period of backwardness beginning in the Qing dynasty, during which China produced few innovations, was indicative of Chinese IQ?

@TUJ

"If you prefer Asians more or equally to whites, why aren't you living in overwhelmingly Asian neighborhoods? Why aren't your friends and the people you enjoy hanging out with the most Asians if the two populations have interchangeable civilization building abilities?"

Most Asian neighborhoods are not upscale and the rich Asians live in white neighborhoods because they have assimilated unlike the no-English speaking FOBs in Chinatown. It's the same thing with friends. Most of your friends are from the same social class as you and if you are wealthy and successful you may have a few Asian friends depending on your location. Nobody goes out and seeks a friend of a specific ethnicity. Take a look at the example of hipsters. They have mostly white friends because mostly whites are hipsters. There's the odd hipster black and hipster Asian but the white hipster may never meet either one. The only group that seeks out a neighborhood that has a specific ethnic make-up are Jews and that's usually for religious reasons.

http://www.chinasmack.com/2009/pictures/zhang-ziyi-naked-on-beach-2009-sexy-photos-gate.html

Jewish media billionaire scum with #1 Chinese actress. This makes me so angry. How the hell does this even happen? Fortunately, it is no more, but still...WTF! Zuckerberg and Priscilla Chan I don't care so much about since Chan is porky and unattractive but it still kind of annoys me. I wonder what percentage of WM/AF pairings involve Jews. My hypothesis is that high-end pairings (i.e. meet at Ivy League school, where there are lots of Jews and Asians) are more Jewish, while lower-end pairings (think middle-class beta + mail order/lower-level Asian such as Vietnamese) are more gentile.

Of course, I don't approve of interracial sexual relations at all. I think they are unnatural and tend to be oppressive in nature, though I do have to say that Hapas tend to be very good looking, especially Northern European/NE Asian mix. Do women experience less orgasms in interracial sexual relations? The most irritating sight to me is probably black guy with high-level Asian female--though this very rare. Also highly disturbing is Asian guy with black female, but in a much different way. Mostly I am thinking...WHAT THE **** is this brother thinking to be with big booty black girl? Get real! Your ancestors be rolling and moaning in their graves!

Personally, I will only choose Asian as mate.

Asian males, due to the nature of oppressive racial hierarchies and corresponding social structures, are limited in terms of where they can live, unless they want a crappy ass social life. Can only choose to live in big city and surrounding areas such as DC, New York, LA, SF, Seattle, Chicago and perhaps a few others if you are single for dating reasons and if you actually want to eat good Asian food and not crappy white people food. Dating options are rather limited, a combination of no inherent interest in non-Asia females and non-Asian females having no interest in Asian males. Even in a city like Minneapolis where there is 5% Asian, very limited options still given that includes a significant population of lower-level Asians like Hmong. So no good scene, unless you like hanging out with non-Asian women and are interested in them, and they're not liking to be interested in you, so too bad. And even things are not so good since there are still tensions among inter-higher-level Asian relations. Chinese and Korean don't always like each other and there can be differences. So quality of life sucks unless you are really super whitewashed and actually think you are white. But no, white people (and all other people), for reasons of science, will always perceive you as Asian, no matter how "white" you act. I despise whitewashed Asians much like blacks despise other blacks for acting white.

Indians have arranged dating for the most part so it doesn't apply to them. Indian/East Asian couples also confuse me, less disgusting than black/East Asian, but just weird in general. I am always thinking ?????????????, of all races Indian may rank lower than black in terms of their attractiveness, at least to me, in any case.

Of course, Asians also have option of returning to home country where there are lots of pure-breed women and you are accorded higher status for having been abroad/born abroad. A choice contingent on degree of whitewash, too much and you'll never make it.

Overall, the current sexual market for Asians is pretty much equivalent to IMPERIALISM, which of course, is something that whites are known for and should be ashamed of. Asians (both male and female) are getting screwed by whites. Females literally and males indirectly.

What I am trying to say is being Asian in US is very complicated situation.

Was the impetus for this post the news that Asian immigrants now outnumber Hispanics?


"The german girls i have met are introverted and respects intelligence."

Really? I live in Austria - I see German and Austrian girls with black men all the time. My impression is that intelligent European nordics are far more willing to be with black men than American women are. To me this demonstrates that some part of sexual bias is clearly cultural - upper and middle class American women learn early that black men are not desirable. "diversity" propaganda not withstanding - just seeing black homeless men everywhere, black people behaving badly in public, the lack of black people in positions of real power, etc. are all subconscious cues to an intelligent observant white woman that you should avoid black men - at least as far as relationships are concerned. In Europe this background noise is still weak.

I'm a white guy who has completely eschewed white women in favor of Asian women, yet I do believe Asians are a problem. How can they not be, when they view themselves as a distinct, separate group and act in their own in-group self interest to the detriment of other groups, one of which I am a member of? For example, I am currently applying to medical school, and when I'm finished with it I will have to hope that I can gain entry into a competitive residency like orthopedics. What hope would there be for me to get into such a residency as a white male if, for example, the majority of program directors in orthopedics across the country were Asians and I would be competing against Asian applicants for a limited number of spots?

This is just a hypothetical example but it does illustrate the point that for intelligent whites, the problem posed by Asians is if anything bigger than that posed by NAMs. It's one thing to have to compete with smart people for elite jobs; it's another thing to have to compete with smart people who are also ethnocentric for elite jobs. Once they gain a strong foothold, they'll establish an impenetrable fiefdom in certain fields that will be nigh-on impenetrable to "outsiders," ie "Americans."

I'll be blunt. Asian women go after nerdy white guys the way black guys go after fat white women. Either because those are the ones they think they can land or the only ones who say yes. Maybe the guys aren't all nerdy. But it tends to work out that way. It doesn't work out so well for Asian guys, though. I'm not knocking Asians. I've liked nearly all of the Asians I've known and even dated a couple. But I still think it's a mistake.

And I think immigration is a mistake, as well. It doesn't have anything to do with one group being good and the other bad. I think whites and Asians are both excellent. If anything, Asians are more polite. However, different groups tend not to get along. If whites fight whites and asians fight asians then how in the hell are asians and whites not going to end up fighting, too?

Of course, that depends on the numbers. If you have a handful of whites and a lot of asians or handful of asians and a lot of whites or a handful of each and a lot of NAMs then they'll get along. But when you start getting equal numbers it will be a problem. That's what a lot of people don't understand.

not to be a dick, but yes, to be a dick, why don't you guys just fucking breed already? you sound like the fucking comic-book nerds of interracial dating. oh, and most of you are morons. why does HS tolerate this shit?

What a coincidence. This PEW study on Asian immigration was just released today. Looks like they are coming over in droves to take your jobs and ruin your neighborhoods.

So much for the quotas that some of the commenters wish to impose:

http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2012/06/19/the-rise-of-asian-americans/

This is simple. Asians are good betas. They are excellent at non-creative intellectual tasks. If it's boring but it needs to be done and it requires right side of the bell curve IQ Asians are excellent for it.

How many of those people do you need? Maybe 5% of society, which is about what we have.

Alphas (creative high IQ): Northern Europeans/Jews

Betas (non-creative above average IQ): Asians, Nerdy whites

Gammas (military, skilled trade, middle class roles): Average Whites

Deltas (construction, assembly line workers): Hispanics, Prole Whites

Omegas (McDonalds): Blacks

The problem is:

1) Asians are meant to be beta and trying to be alpha.

2) Automation has made many Gamma, Delta, and Omega roles obsolete. In Brave New World automation was regulated so that those classes would have jobs.

I should follow up on why #1 is a problem. When Asians compete to be alphas they don't compete by innovating. They compete by grinding. Basically, they try to become a beta on steroids in order to be an alpha.

However, this doesn't increase the output of the alpha class. It merely forces actual alphas to grind more, which is a zero sum status race that doesn't benefit anyone.

Nebbish,

You said: You yourself admit that Jews were legally restricted from participation in society for hundreds of years. Inward focus on Talmud study reigned during that period, and admittedly little of secular value was produced. Why should that period of backwardness be more indicative of Jewish IQ than the period of backwardness beginning in the Qing dynasty, during which China produced few innovations, was indicative of Chinese IQ?

My posts were responses to Undiscovered Jew's unrelenting idea that Jews belong in Western nations more than Asians, when in fact they were for the most part unwelcomed throughout European history.

ASDF,

You said: Alphas (creative high IQ): Northern Europeans/Jews, Betas (non-creative above average IQ): Asians, Nerdy whites, Gammas (military, skilled trade, middle class roles): Average Whites

You sound like a provincial American idiot proverbial speaking with an epic failure.

Some of the most creative people are Southern Europeans. They have produced some of the most beautiful art. You must think the Norwegians were responsible for the Renaissance.

Jews were never Alpha, and although they are successful in America, they may seem alpha, just like some Asians may seem alpha when they flash out their Ivy League college degrees.

High IQ doesn't translate into creativity (which is also subjective). Southern Europeans have a lower IQ than the Ashkenazi Jews.

All I can tell you is that America is a 2nd rate country when it comes to creativity and innovation. You sound like a biased idiot without any objectivity whatosever.

@not a hacker

"The current radio ad for the SF-Oakland Mercedes dealership features a black narrator (I think it might be that down and out DJ with the really deep voice that got famous a few months ago for rehabbing or whatever). Would this mean blacks are current buyers of Benzes, or is the administration forcing them to market to blacks?"

You really should take marketing 101 to understand that the whole point of selling a product is to meet the need and wants of the target consumer.

SF-Oakland area is only 47% white, while 33% Asian, 20% Hispanic and 6% African American, thus it would make sense for the dealership to target NAMs as their primary target market. This doesn't mean that this localized strategy is in synergy with the overall corporate Mercs' transnational strategy in the USA of going after white collar execs. Even though the luxury car market is quite complicated and beside the Mercedes SLS or SLR, this brand is considered "entry" or "mid-level" by the elite and not really fit for consumption like Aston, Ferrari, or Bugatti.

It's quite common actually for many of these low to mid-level luxury brands like Mercs, BMWs, Cadillac and Acuras to go after NAMs since they like to lease on credit.

The fact that third generation Japanese and Chinese in North America appear to be completely westernized shows that in this case culture is more important than HBD. But there is a big difference between Asian immigration now and a hundred years ago. A hundred years ago it is true the Asians tended to keep to themselves in enclaves, but over all they were just a tiny, tiny fraction of the population so when the second generation ventured out of their enclaves they were marinated in western culture. Compare that to a situation like present day Vancouver, BC, which is now about one third Chinese. It has now reached the point where a person can live, work and play in the Vancouver area without ever learning to speak English. There has been such a huge wave of immigration all at once that likely they will never be assimilated. (Europeans certainly weren't assimilated into the native North American culture. They imported their own culture.). Now the Chinese culture is certainly greatly preferable to , say, an African or Islamic culture. But it is not western. For one thing their seems to be a lot more tendency to corruption among non-western immigrants. For example Chinese students are notorious for cheating and most think there is nothing wrong or shameful about it the way most westerners do. They will also go to elaborate lengths to avoid paying taxes. They don't tend to give to charity. They don't tend to donate blood or sign up to be organ donors . They tend to be low trust. I think most of this is cultural, not genetic, but they have brought this culture with them.

Really? I live in Austria - I see German and Austrian girls with black men all the time. My impression is that intelligent European nordics are far more willing to be with black men than American women are. To me this demonstrates that some part of sexual bias is clearly cultural.

It depends. In US, the lower class women and even some middle class women are now quite receptive to the idea. European women have not really been inundated by their numbers to see the down side to it all. Even in Nordic countries, and particularly, Sweden, once you get large enough numbers to where services begin to be overwhelmed and crime more rampant, that may begin to change. By numbers, I'm fairly certain the US has more white women with blacks. But I'm not certain. Overall, a sad result if you like the way your women look.

"Among whites and Hispanics, by contrast, there are no gender differences in intermarriage rates."
Of course, you did say in the "Northeast," so perhaps there are geographical divergences in the data?"

Yes. Hispanics in the Northeast, at least the Caribbean Hispanics such as Puerto Ricans and Dominicans, are more attuned to black behavioral norms (including the gender skew in interracial relationships) than the Mestizo Hispanics who predominate in most other parts of the country.

@Abelard Lindsey

"I believe that 1/3 to 1/2 of all of the Silicon Valley start-ups in the 1980's had Asian co-founders. "

And I believe that you a one ugly dude and you still silverware.

I don't know you and have as much base for assertion about you as you are repeating Open Borderistas propaganda.


"Hispanics in the Northeast, at least the Caribbean Hispanics such as Puerto Ricans and Dominicans, are more attuned to black behavioral norms (including the gender skew in interracial relationships) than the Mestizo Hispanics who predominate in most other parts of the country".

Puerto Ricans and Dominicans are the Latin NAMs. They and the Blacks form the core nucleus of the scourge of society (NAMs) in the Northeast, and are in love with the liberals whom they share tales of White oppression and racism.

I personally think Mestizos Hispanics are not that bad. They might not have the ambition to be like the Jews or Asian, but they at least work hard to take care of their families and don't play the race card nearly as much.

"not to be a dick, but yes, to be a dick, why don't you guys just fucking breed already? you sound like the fucking comic-book nerds of interracial dating. oh, and most of you are morons. why does HS tolerate this shit?"

I feel the same way. Who are the worst offenders though?

Here's the take of someone who's part Asian and part White:

There appears to be temperamental differences among East Asians, with the Chinese and Japanese being on opposite ends, with the Japanese having the most affinity to Western thinking, as seen on the World Values Survey (http://www.worldvaluessurvey.org/wvs/articles/folder_published/article_base_54 ). As East Asians go, the Japanese seem most apt to assimilate into Western society, but this may have something to do with recent immigrants being overwhelmingly Chinese and Korean.

Also, is there evidence that White-Asian hybrids are less apt at STEM? I don't think I've seen any evidence that demonstrates this.

Being more inbred and clannish, Asian immigrants (who are overwhelmingly Chinese and Indian) are indeed more likely to pursue self-interested goals. This is mitigated by the fact that their percentage of the country's population is still currently small, but it will become more the case as their numbers grow.

That said, the impact from (E/S) Asian immigrants is far less than from most any other non-European group. What we see in the discussion here—including the talk about interracial parings—is just xenophobic protectionist attitudes at work: http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-scientific-fundamentalist/200812/why-young-single-men-are-more-xenophobic-i

I'm white and have an asian wife and have lived in asia as well. Also went to a tier 1 non-ivy, and to a "former" harvard prep school with a high population of jews.

I predominately dated european or asian women prior to getting married. While I feel that white women are the most beautiful, too many White american women were fat and had entitlement issues. Additionally, they were rather short sighted, had no interest in investing long term, and no appreciation for education. Europe seemed like a wonderland in comparason simply for physical attractiveness due to diet and exercise.

"And the idea of just reading out of curiosity, and for pleasure . . . an utter waste of time, akin to digging a hole, filling it up, then digging it out again."

I found this pretty comical being in Japan, and having lived here, where one cannot throw a rock without hitting a bookstore. And no, they aren't just filled with test prep books or comics. When we moved back to the States, my wife brought back hundreds of novels with her.

"Asian" is a pretty broad brush. Most Japanese I know have pretty much no patience for anyone from the mainland; of course, this feeling is often mutual. There are definitely significant and important differences between the cultures. Once in Beijing, I was struck by the beauty of a woman walking down the street. She could have just walked off a fashion runway. My reverie snapped when she leaned over to hock a loogie into the street. Beijing seemed to have as many "no spitting" signs as Japan has bookstores.

"With Japanese karaoke, each group gets their own private room. You don't get up and sing in front of a bunch of strangers."

While karaoke boxes do exist, there is no shortage of karaoke in bars where one does sing to be heard by strangers.

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