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June 06, 2012

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welcome, HS, to the organically emergent and culturally reinforced switch from K-selection to r-selection. it's the stuff decadent and dying empires are made of.

Look at the SUBTEXT.

Not only are 20-somethings from "ghettos" incapable of maturity, even "respectable" kids raised in allegedly old-fashioned-values-oriented states by good parents, far from contiguous state contagion, display unfathomable absurdity.

This is the generation that will fix America?

[HS: Levi's mom was convicted of selling drugs. I don't think that's "good parents."]

Prole is as prole does.

I agree that Levi is an idiot. But I disagree that this automatically makes the Palins low class. I'm not claiming their brimming with class. I'm just saying that a 17 yr old girl's indiscretions doesn't necessarily make her family low class. Plenty of elitist children have done the same or worse. Heck, plenty of middle aged elitists have done the same or worse. You just don't know about it because they just got abortions.

It's like a case study in what happens when a prole wins the lottery!

And what happened to the old fashioned idea (mostly mythical, to be sure) that "anybody" can be POTUS or VPOTUS? Are proles now categorically excluded, even in principle?

The real question: Why are you reading US Weekly?

Still, I feel strangely compelled to respond. I have a crush on Sarah Palin. I voted for McCain because he chose Sarah Palin as VP. I admit it. I don't care that she is low class. We have had enough "high class" presidents from the Yale/Harvard alumni. The time has come to transfer power to the rustic folk. A Palin presidency would have the added benefit of infuriating the Democrats.

Levi Johnston is low class in a different way. He is a deadbeat.

Bristol Palin named her daughter Tripp. How do they get these names? Breeze Beretta is also a bizarre name. So is Sunny. Perhaps in the Palin/Johnston social circle, children are not bullied for having nonsensical names.

I was serious about a Palin presidency.

This reminds me of the crap going on in my family-in-law, only without the money. The girls always seem to pick the worst of the worst to get knocked up by in high school. I think it stems from absent, busy, working parents, who perhaps still go out to bars & such and let the kids fend for themselves.

And yeah it reflects badly on Sarah Palin, but then again I'm sure many people out here in flyover can *relate* to her as well.

From my observation the lower the class, the more likely the children will be fathered by criminals through an out of wedlock arrangement. Fact: 84.3% of all abortions were performed on unmarried women.

Imagine how much worse the degradation of the USA would be if abortion was illegal and planned parenthood didn't exist? There would be an annual increase of 300,000-500,000 more NAM "future" criminal bastards. I find it comical that US Census doesn't differentiate between Hispanic and Caucasian in abortions by race.

Anyways, 47% of women who have abortions had at least one previous abortion. These women should be put on permanent birth control, since clearly they cannot responsibly take care of their bodies. It's idiotic to keep sponsoring these types from replicating and having the government become the surrogate father. Liberal women will keep voting for wealth transfer systems and milk the system until bankruptcy.

At gene expression, Razib made point about wealth not income correlated with IQ and education.

Some people also point out that wealth per capita not GPD per capita correlated better with national IQ.

Guess dumb people just can hanle wealth if they get high income.

"This story demonstrates again that she wasn’t qualified to be Vice President of the United States."

....

Maybe you'd prefer John Edwards?

"This story demonstrates that low class people cannot become comfortably affluent even if you give them lots of money, because they just squander it on dumb crap and then they are poor again."

See also

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reversal_of_Fortune_%282005_film%29

US weekly describes Levi as Bristol's "baby-daddy" - no way they do that for a black celebrity. It would be wacist.

Let's not generalize to all proles' financial skills from those a 20-year-old. When Lawrence Taylor first got in trouble with drugs, he explained that he'd go on a road trip carrying more cash than his father earned in six months, and he didn't know what to do with all that spare time and money.

Money that comes too easy too young, gets squandered just as easily. But those who've lived long enough to learn how to handle it, do it better.

This happens because we no are longer pressured by others to feel shame for anti-social behavior. I believe in the public shaming and shunning of citizens who misbehave, and that we should bring back the practice of locking people hand and foot in wooden stocks in the public square so people can throw rotten vegetables at them.

"Maybe you'd prefer John Edwards?"

In case you haven't noticed, he was not on the ticket in 2008.

By the way, it would have been a disaster for Democrats if Kerry/Edwards won in 2004. The real estate crash would have happened anyway and we'd end up with president McCain who would make George Bush look like a genius.

If one extrapolates from the past 50 years, prole tastes today will be the norm among the middle classes a few decades from now. Dysgenics and NAM immigration/birth rate differential mean IQ and executive function are declining. The increase in births out of wedlock is proof of the former. In the future, even if one has a high IQ, less effort will be required to distinguish themselves from the lower classes.

I disagree that Sarah Palin represents the traditional values of rural America. In older times, being a single mother at her age relegated one to being an outcast in the marriage market. Fortunately the societal shame incurred would prevent further progeny being produced by these females with less executive function. Bristol Palin will likely have another few kids with an alpha male and increase the frequency of genes that predispose one to low IQ.

I agree that "Sunny" is kind of a weird name, but I knew a boomer Sunny who graduated Order of Coif from a top-15 law school. Heavy cig. smoker.

[HS: Don't forget Sunny Bates who is from an upper middle class background: http://www.halfsigma.com/2006/09/sunny_bates_and.html ]

"president McCain who would make George Bush look like a genius"

Pshaw, same "invade the world, invite the world" RINO wine, different bottle.

"It's like a case study in what happens when a prole wins the lottery!"

Yeah. Well, generally only people with little to no financial sense play the lottery, so obviously the winners are disproportionately people with little to no financial sense.

i think that the above posters are correct - the Palin family genetics gave bristol an IQ that was too low. This low IQ led her to get pregnant.

Sarah Palin was very successful as a politician despite her weak IQ.

there are some professions where your success is almost entirely due to iq and others where, once you are past the threshold, your personality is most important. I would put politician in the later category.

I would cite academia as an example of both -

if you are looking to be considered the best theoretical physicist in the world, you better have a spectacular IQ. connections and wealth count for much less than iq.

if you are looking to be considered a leader in some pseudo science like gender studies, then iq is not so important - your network and political skills are most important

similarly, if you want to get rich as a "stockbroker" you can do it with moderate iq and a lot of ass kissing and golf.

if you want to make a billion dollars as a hedge fund manager charisma and political skill may not matter so much as raw and exceptional levels of iq.

Stevie Cohen famously lacked all charisma. He also lacks muscle mass and lacks any sort of alpha male traits - he mumbles and can't make eye contact. He was rejected by most females married a woman who was not that good looking( you can google her). yet he is a billionaire simply as a function of his IQ and what he did with that iq, not from any sort of connections or networking or social skills


Stevie would never make it as a politician

Levi Johnston is half-Mexican. But he is 100% prole.

The fact that Bristol and Levi are idiots isn't all Sarah's fault. There are plenty of examples of good parents having bad children. If you have 5 kids, there is a good chance that one will be a screwup. Regression to the mean.

I think Palin would have made a better president than either McCain or Obama, not that that's saying much.

Your Sarah Palin obsession makes you look like a total buffoon.

The dog that didn't bark here?

"The cash certainly didn't go to Palin, 21, for their 3-year-old, Tripp. "Levi hasn't paid child support in nearly two years," says another insider."

Yet more anarcho-tyranny. If you're penniless and irresponsible, just ignore child support orders*. Nothing happens to you.

If you're responsible, they'll put you in jail if you don't pay child support.

Yet another way the progressive state is trying to breed a stupid and irresponsible population because it is to their benefit.

* The whole concept of child support, of course, is a terrible idea for exactly this reason. The old way was that a woman had to persuade a man to marry her. Then she had to persuade him every day to not just walk out on her. Result? Women were on their toes in marriage and reluctant to have children without husbands for fear of being poor. Today, all women act like the characters in Girls - the poor and stupid have children with irresponsible men who are immune to child support and the intelligent ones who, if society is to have a future, should be having children don't.

Oh well, at least women are happier now that they have complete freedom.

What's that? They're actually miserable and 1 in 6 white women are on anti-depressants? Eh, whatever.

I highly doubt proles like this will consider hiring a financial advisor when he is busy with daily primal needs.

http://gawker.com/5915532/recovering-bath-salts-user-says-drug-makes-you-feel-10-feet-tall-and-bulletproof

"Levi made more than $1 million and squandered it on guns, boats and four-wheelers"

the rest he wasted....

What's sad is this Levi Johnston boy's behavior is common in the US. Most Americans are beholden to the forces of marketing and advertising, and misjudge how consuming certain goods will affect their level of happiness. They squander their fortunes quickly as their brains temporarily flood with happy chemicals like a crack addict caught up in high after high with little regard to future consequences of their actions. What's also sad is people with higher IQs also fall victim to this shortsighted way of being.

At least he doesn't owe money like the unemployed high-IQ people who went to law school.

guns broadly hold their value or even slighly appreciate. boats and fourwheelers depreciate, but not 100%. If you spent $333,333 on each, you would still have ~400,000 worth of assets left.
Assuming "guns" also includes (expended) ammunition and boats (expended) gas, there'd STILL be some residuals.
Also worth noting, during the sepeartion of palin and johnson his income was made public. he was getting 50k-ish a year. He may no longer be a millionaire, but he is a high-prole.
50k at early 20s is still enough to enjoy a respectable, fine life

Levi knocked up two attractive girls in the prime of life despite being a deadbeat. Kevin Federline also has five kids from three different hot women. The female abortion obsession is about the horror of getting knocked up by some average beta guy.

@jeanne:

"This reminds me of the crap going on in my family-in-law, only without the money. The girls always seem to pick the worst of the worst to get knocked up by in high school. I think it stems from absent, busy, working parents, who perhaps still go out to bars & such and let the kids fend for themselves."

If the parents are still going to bars, what does it say about these parents and the genes they passed on their children? They are r-strategists (low IQ, short time horizons, high sex drive, or any or all of the above). Unfortunately, that's what you get in the next generation.

@John:

"The fact that Bristol and Levi are idiots isn't all Sarah's fault. There are plenty of examples of good parents having bad children. If you have 5 kids, there is a good chance that one will be a screwup. Regression to the mean."

It's not just regression to the mean, but variation about that mean. The whole point of sex is so that all the offspring will be different, and perhaps also to force the sh*tty genes to decouple from the effective ones: http://julianodea.blogspot.com/2005_12_01_julianodea_archive.html

To put it another way, two White parents of IQs of 125 and 115 (average 120), or +1.33 standard deviations about the mean, will have children whose average IQ is (0.8 heritability of IQ * 1.333 st. dev.) or 116. However, their children will form a bell curve around that mean, and some may be far above, others, can be far below.

Thanks for citing my paper, JayMan. A clearer, more recent version is here:

http://julianodea.blogspot.com.au/2011/11/selfish-chromosome-why-sex-evolved-by.html

"To put it another way, two White parents of IQs of 125 and 115 (average 120), or +1.33 standard deviations about the mean, will have children whose average IQ is (0.8 heritability of IQ * 1.333 st. dev.) or 116. However, their children will form a bell curve around that mean, and some may be far above, others, can be far below."

Posted by: JayMan | June 09, 2012 at 10:07 AM

You have to consider the average IQs of the parents' relatives; namely their parents, grand-parents and great-grand-parents. If the parent with the IQ of 125 has a family IQ average of 100 and the parent with the IQ of 115 has a family IQ average of 95, the IQ of their immediate offspring will be likely be around 109.

I am sorry to belabour this point, but the whole point of my theory on why sex evolved is that it was NOT to help the population or the individual, but purely for the advantage of the genetic material itself. Hence my reference to the "selfish chromosome".

Is this any worse than a supposedly "smart" person squandering money on a masters degree in some liberal arts subject?

"Most Americans are beholden to the forces of marketing and advertising, and misjudge how consuming certain goods will affect their level of happiness. They squander their fortunes quickly as their brains temporarily flood with happy chemicals like a crack addict caught up in high after high with little regard to future consequences of their actions. What's also sad is people with higher IQs also fall victim to this shortsighted way of being".

Consumer spending is what drives the American economy. Unless we find another way of self fullfillment besides petty consumerism and the excess love of money, we will never get out of this vicious cycle. It's also no different for those families who send their kids to pricey colleges and universities to get pricey degrees and then end up broke afterwards.

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