Was it the stress of living in a NAM-infested neighborhood?

From the NY Times:

Neighbors from his gang-ridden neighborhood in Aurora described him as a solitary figure, recognizable as one of the few white residents of a largely Hispanic neighborhood, and always alone.

Is there a connection?

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Whiskey has an excellent blog post explaining how the demonization of white males led to this tragedy.

Comments

[KLO]

A white guy who decides to move to a gang-infested, Hispanic area of town has given up on living. The local liquor store manager also recognized him from his many visits. The stress of living among NAMs had nothing to do with it. He had lost all hope and had become fully invested in his last stand. By living in a cheap, "NAM-infested" apartment, he was probably able to afford better and more lethal weaponry, but that is the only connection between the two.

[The Undiscovered Jew]

"largely Hispanic neighborhood, and always alone."

An HBD "redevelopment" program for Aurora:

1) Deport the illegals without pay.

2) Pay the genetic garbage LEGAL non-white Hispanics (and any other nonwhite immigrants there) $100,000 per person to renounce US citizenship and go back to their ancestral homeland.

3) Whites move back to Aurora and the neighborhood becomes good again.

[Bill]

Clearly NAMS and feminism FORCED him to flip out and murder a bunch of people. Another mystery solved!

[Bill]

All geeky white males without social skills must be awarded a submissive girlfriend, adoring friends, and an astronomical salary to prevent any future tragedies.

[DaveinHackensack]

Siggie and TUJ,

I hate to Godwin you this early in a thread, but you have to know that 'infest' connotes vermin, which is how the Nazis characterized the Jews. And if there ever is an institutionalized racialism in this country, chances are Jews will find themselves on the wrong end of it.

[Peter]

As I understand it, Holmes's apartment was in a building housing University of Colorado graduate students, basically a glorified dormitory.

[Insider]

The post you link to is unsubstantiated garbage that attempts to apologize for an individual who had no excuse for his actions.

Clearly, there can be no other compelling explanation for this psychopath outside of 'affirmative action,' 'Obama's America,' and 'NAM infested neighborhoods.'

[Just Speculating]

"I hate to Godwin you this early in a thread, but you have to know that 'infest' connotes vermin, which is how the Nazis characterized the Jews. And if there ever is an institutionalized racialism in this country, chances are Jews will find themselves on the wrong end of it".

Why do you have to be a NAM apologist? You are comparing the Jews in Germany who were a lot more intelligent and productive, but were seen as a threat, to a group of low intelligent beings who offer no real value other than fodder used for a political agenda.

[The Undiscovered Jew]

"I hate to Godwin you this early in a thread, but you have to know that 'infest' connotes vermin, which is how the Nazis characterized the Jews."

So?

Calling groups of people vermin predates the birth of Hitler since the dawn of time and has been repeatedly applied to many other groups aside from Jews.

"And if there ever is an institutionalized racialism in this country, chances are Jews will find themselves on the wrong end of it."

Racially motivated anti-Semitism is not likely to occur if pro-HBD policies are implemented in the US for the following reasons.

1) Citizenship buyouts avoid institutionalized racism because nonwhites would leave en masse. As nonwhites leave there would be less reason to setup a secondary legal system to handle the limited rights of nonwhite citizens.

2) Racially motivated anti-Semitism was largely a historic aberration of the Nazi regime.

Prior to Hitler, most anti-Semitism was religiously motivated, not racial because Christian anti-Semites normally gave full citizenship rights to Jews who converted to Christianity, such as the Conversos of Spain. When secularism began to rise in the 19th century was when laws restricting Jewish legal rights began to be lifted despite Jews being viewed as their own ethnicity and despite the rise of Darwinian science.

3) Jews are white and often can't be distinguished from other white people. Even Nazi racial scientists had difficulty telling Jewish civilians apart from ordinary Germans. Hitler, of course, did not think Jews were white, but Hitler also thought Slavs were subhumans and non-Aryans worthy of genocide or enslavement even though blondism is more common in non-Balkan Slavs than Germans.

4) In an Anglo-Saxon nation, it's unlikely there would be subject to racial anti-Semitism.

Jews have been in institutionalized racist Anglo-Saxon states like eugenics friendly Victorian England and the Confederate States of America and not been subjected to racial anti-semitism.

In fact, the pro-eugenics English upper classes voted for an ethnically Jewish prime minister, Disraeli, when their empire was the height of its power. The leaders of the CSA gave full citizenship rights to their Jews even as they insisted on institutionalized slavery. Also, there was little racial discrimination against Jews living in the Jim Crow South.

5) There's also the fact that many low income whites who are normally most prone to anti-Jewish sentiments belong to Christian denominations that think they will be cursed by God if they harm Jews.

[The Undiscovered Jew]

Additionally, president Abraham Lincoln - who was more racist than the average post-War Southern leaders who believed in racial segregation because Lincoln favored immediate expulsion of all blacks to a colony in Africa - reversed an order by General Grant to expel Jews from the US because Jews were fighting on the side of the Confederates.

There was a book about Grant's expulsion order written by John D Sarna titled "When Grant expelled the Jews". When Grant ran for president, he had to explain and apologize for his wartime exppulsion order to wealthy German Jewish American immigrants before they agreed to support the Republican presidential ticket featuring Grant.

[Hank]

Between this guy and Jamie Rohrs, the schmuck that dropped his baby, left his girlfriend and two kids in the theater and ran, then drove away from the scene, the Aurora shooting was not white American maledom's finest hour. Good thing black teenager Jarell Brooks was there to help Rohrs' girlfriend and kids out of the theater.

[Not Joking]

"And if there ever is an institutionalized racialism in this country, chances are Jews will find themselves on the wrong end of it."

Yeah, because Jews are the ones who riot, steal, murder, mug, rape and act like savages at a public pool in Brooklyn. If liberal Jews ever get their act together regarding race (and religion, you know islam?) we could have this NAM problem taken care of in a jiffy. At least the Jews in Israel have a clue. And you should too.

[Lexus Liberal]

http://takimag.com/article/nams_kill_nams_and_they_blame_the_pilgrims_john_derbyshire#axzz21KD8obvS

Did you submit this article? Seems like the term "NAM" is going mainstream.

[An Unmarried Man]

Whiskey's blathering does not surprise me in the least, but I can't believe you're embracing the pap.

Is it not so far-fetched to consider for a moment that perhaps the motivations involved in an intelligent white collegiate kid's choice to live in a NAM hovel as indicative of a plethora of issues that might presage questionable actions?

White kids are quite capable of going bad even in the absence of NAM's, and by golly, no one has to put a gun to their heads.

[Hugh]

@DaveinHackensack

Thank you. I'm fascinated by Jews like TUJ and Sigma who are desperate for a return of Euro nationalism. Have the past thousand years taught them nothing?

[DaveinHackensack]

There's a second person of interest in the Aurora shooting now, and he's an AM: https://twitter.com/W7VOA/status/226894499392135169

[George]

Why didn't he go after minorities then?

It looks like all of his victims were white:

http://news.yahoo.com/photos/names-of-shooting-victims-emerge-slideshow/photograph-theater-shooting-victim-alex-sullivan-wife-cassie-photo-184932742.html

[George]

"And if there ever is an institutionalized racialism in this country, chances are Jews will find themselves on the wrong end of it."

White racialism and racialist sentiment is associated with anti-Semitism. If there is institutionalized white racialism in the country, there could be physical violence against us or it might be the more indirect kind like in the Soviet Union where we were pushed out and had to leave if we wanted opportunities.

[Conquistador]

"All geeky white males without social skills must be awarded a submissive girlfriend, adoring friends, and an astronomical salary to prevent any future tragedies." - Bill

LOL @ "social skills". There is no such thing only good looks. By that I don't mean neat appearance. I'm talking about the kind of looks that open doors in life. Tall, symmetrical, muscular, etc. The best piece of advice I'd give anyone is to improve their looks. The world really is as superficial as you imagined. Popularity, girlfriends, job opportunities, promotions, all depend on your looks. Women know this men should as well.

[dearieme]

The murderer is probably a lunatic. Fishing around for explanations for lunacy is a waste of time. Nobody knows: Freud, Jung etc are all junk. Nobody knows.

[superdestroyer]

Holmes attended UC-Riverside as an undergraduate. According to collegeresults.org, UC-Riverside is 16% non-Hispanic white and 70% commuter students. I would guess that virtually all of the white male students that are majoring in science and engineering at UC-Riverside could be described as loners and quiet. Does anyone believe that white males majoring in sciences actually see many other white faces in class or on campus at UC-Riverside? Does anyone believe that the Chinese, Korea, Japanese students at UC-Riverside would be willing to befriend whites who the Asian students see as the competition? Also, if Holmes was so smart, why did he end up at UC-Riverside?

Does anyone really believe there are many white males at UC-Denver graduate programs?

Holmes lived in a world with few white males and with students organized along ethnic lines to help each other.

[tdaxp]

@superdestroyer What you are describing is the classic setup for smart white-Asian miscegenation... It deepens the mystery.

[sabril]

It's funny how everyone tries to tie these tragedies into their pet political causes.

The fact is that there have been spree killings since long before political correctness came in. There have always been men who were intelligent but disaffected for whatever reason.

Heck, there was probably an evolutionary advantage to running amok. I mean, in a group of 50 hunter-gatherers, if you are a super-low-status male, you have almost nothing to lose (genetically speaking) by going on a killing spree and there is a small chance it will improve your standing in the group.

[Sheila Tone]

"Who is at fault? In no particular order, Obama, the entire Affirmative Action establishment, Jessie Jackson, feminists, the media, and the American people for taking the easy way out and not removing the former from public life through a hard, brutal political struggle that costs time and effort and more."

I think whiskey is the real Joker here.

Guys, I like picking apart angry criminal losers as much as the rest of you do. But you're barking up the wrong tree with this guy. He shows all the classic signs of onset of a biologically based schizoform disorder that went through the common prodromal phase for a couple months where people have the negative changes in behavior (evidenced by the bizarre change in appearance, drop in academic performance, dropping out of school even though he wasn't going to get expelled, street drug use, possible weird swinger profile set up on July 5) This culminated in a psychotic break that was unusually violent. All his recent negative behavior was out of character to everyone who admits to knowing him. This makes him different from guys like Cho or Sodini, who left long trails of weird behavior and angry, entitled beliefs about their deserved social lives.

Why have we had no word from the authorities about his current condition? Probably because it is extreme. He hasn't been booked or we'd have a mug shot. Therefore he must be on a psychiatric hold. He is probably being medicated with emergency antipsychotic medication, in addition to possibly coming down off whatever street drugs. He may have already become lucid, and I predict when that happens he will be horrified by what he did.

Advocates for the mentally ill tend to downplay the role of mental illness in situations like this, because they don't want the mentally ill to be demonized, but although it's rare it does happen. I've spoken with clients personally to whom this has happened -- nothing so extreme of course, but they've done violent things that seemed out of character during a psychotic break, then been saddened and horrified a week later after a hospital hold and medication.

[AE]

1) What I find amazing is that all of his victims are white. If you throw a stone in Aurora, it will probably hit a NAM. Yet this man was in a packed theatre and only picked off the white people. Very strange.

2) The comments about Aurora come from people who obviously don't live here. Aurora is racially diverse, but it is a very large city that stretches aver 154 sq mi. For Colorado, that's a lot of territory. Some parts of the city are rural and have ranches and farms. Other are affluent suburban areas. Other parts are working class. Unlike most cities, we don't really have distinct segregated neighborhoods. There's not really a part of Aurora that you would go to and expect it to be a "white's only" area.

The part of Aurora that Holmes lives in is the most problematic area, when it comes to poverty/crime, and it mostly borders Denver. If you look at it on a map, you would see that it is a very tiny chunk of this expansive city. Unfortunately, it is this one area that has often bogged down the reputation of our entire city.

In response to this blight, officials were trying to develop that area. One thing they recently did to improve it was construct that medical campus where Holmes was a student. The Anschultz Campus was opened in 2007. Developers thought that such a project would improve the local economy. The whole Colfax area, where this took place, is undergoing a process of gentrification already. So it's kind of funny that our attempt to move smart white people here to lift the local economy and redevelop "Old Aurora," as that area is called, ended up completely devastating our city instead.

[LaPanache]

The Undiscovered Jew's delusional thinking evades me every time...

"Racially motivated anti-Semitism is not likely to occur if pro-HBD policies are implemented..."

Ofcourse. If only racism was motivated by HBD thinking instead of any other thinking any inhumane actions would be perfectly justified. If preserving high-IQ is the idea, why the bias against east-asians and american-indians? Oh right, because "their psychological make-up is different"...I never know if you are being deliberately incredible.

Most racists are also anti-semitic. You can try to rationalize away this reality all you like, but the odds that an HBD-motivated racial cleansing will take place and the jews will be hailed are non-existent. If I ever encounter a jew like you (and I never do...they are all SWPLs here in NYC) might have to remind him of the grimy details of the Holocaust.

[HS: Apartheid South Africa was not anti-semitic and neither was the antebellum South.]

[Sheila Tone]

"The murderer is probably a lunatic. Fishing around for explanations for lunacy is a waste of time. Nobody knows: Freud, Jung etc are all junk. Nobody knows."

Dearieme, we do know that there is a biological basis for schizoform disorders. They are diseases of the brain. The public tends to steer around that conclusion in cases like this because no one wants to set up an excuse for a murderer. But he shows all the signs.

He said he was the Joker. He changes his appearance to look like the Joker. It appears he thought he *was* the Joker. His mind was in the grip of a delusion. He was not trying to make a political point.

He fits the profile of a man developing a psychotic disorder. Most commonly they are college-age. In high school, they were quiet, but good students and well-behaved. This guy played sports, had some friends, wasn't picked on. He goes away to school and at some point his behavior takes a big turn for the worse. He starts using drugs. I want to hear what his parents have to say, whether they'd been getting strange phone calls from him.

Most of you probably know a family this happened to: Well-behaved kid went off to college, then something happened, they came home, were never really OK again. It's just that truly violent psychotic breaks are rare. Often the family of the person blames drug use for the problems, because people with a developing psychotic disorder usually *do* also take drugs.

[jay]

@ Sheila - I'm with you 100%. Well said.

@Hank:

"Between this guy and Jamie Rohrs, the schmuck that dropped his baby, left his girlfriend and two kids in the theater and ran, then drove away from the scene, the Aurora shooting was not white American maledom's finest hour..."

Three white guys died saving their gfs. One of them might have been Hispanic, but the other two def. white.

Shutup, a-hole.

[Peter]

"What I find amazing is that all of his victims are white. If you throw a stone in Aurora, it will probably hit a NAM. Yet this man was in a packed theatre and only picked off the white people. Very strange."

What's a much more likely explanation is that a midnight showing of the new Batman movie is going to appeal mainly to white people. If he had shot up a midnight showing of a new Tyler Perry movie most of his victims would have been black.

[Aaron P.]

"Prior to Hitler, most anti-Semitism was religiously motivated, not racial because Christian anti-Semites normally gave full citizenship rights to Jews who converted to Christianity, such as the Conversos of Spain."

Racial anti-Semitism predates the Nazis. In medieval Spain there was racial anti-Semitism against the conversos:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limpieza_de_sangre

Religious, cultural, ideological conflict such as religious anti-Semitism is often just a proxy for ethno-racial conflict.

The problem now is that racial anti-Semitism is "easier" because genetic testing is getting cheaper, easier, etc.

I don't think it's the lower class prole whites who are pro-Jewish and pro-Israel evangelicals that are most prone to anti-Jewish sentiment. These evangelical types are often also pro-Third World and preaching evangelical Christianity to and helping minorities. I think it's middle class whites and upper class whites who aren't really religious that are most prone to anti-Semitism.

[whatever]

Bill said:
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All geeky white males without social skills must be awarded a submissive girlfriend, adoring friends, and an astronomical salary to prevent any future tragedies.
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I'm pretty sure that if he could get a job that paid the same as his father had at his age, he would have been fine.

Did that cut your retarded sarcasm off at the knees? Now go retreat into sullen silence like the coward you are Bill.

[Camlost]

Midnight showings of Batman on opening night showing typically implies getting organized with friends and buying your tickets online (with a credit card). That's more the domain of white folks.

[nebbish]

"I don't think it's the lower class prole whites who are pro-Jewish and pro-Israel evangelicals that are most prone to anti-Jewish sentiment. These evangelical types are often also pro-Third World and preaching evangelical Christianity to and helping minorities."

Aaron P.,

Some prole/lower-class whites clearly are prone to Jew-hatred, or sites like St*rmfr_nt wouldn't exist. A pro-Israel evangelical can become a Jew-hating atheist or Jew-hating Christian Identity adherent under certain circumstances. But clearly, the historical experience of Nazi Germany supports your contention that middle and upper class whites can become severe Jew-haters as well.

[AE]

"Most racists are also anti-semitic. You can try to rationalize away this reality all you like, but the odds that an HBD-motivated racial cleansing will take place and the jews will be hailed are non-existent."

Yep. I remember becoming friends with some prep school kids in college and being surprised by their anti-semitism. I didn't think that anyone under the age of 30 could truly have a problem with Jews. It just seems old fashioned. But I had a friend who told me in a dead serious tone that he wished that Hitler had finished the job and expressed the Sentiment that Jews should be wiped off the face of the Earth. Another friend from a very wealthy family has many anti-Semitic phrases that are a regular part of his vocabulary. In one of the dorms, there was a loose mouse, and a student exclaimed that he'd like to gas that mouse like a Jew.

It was definitely the weirdest thing I've ever been exposed to in my life. I can understand why white people wouldn't like nonwhites, because of the differences in appearance. But I don't understand the basis for anti-Semitism, considering that Jews look just like anyone else, but it definitely exists.

[whiskey]

Half Sigma, thanks for the link and kind words.

For the rest who are reading challenged:

1. The guy was nuts.
2. Plenty of people are nuts and function without killing people.
3. Demonization of White guys has consequences: nutty guys with High IQs and no social ties end up deciding to be villains.
4. It is highly unusual for even nutty guys to decide to be villains.
5. Before the 1960's, nutty homicidal White guys killed famous people, not average people.

The West has ALWAYS had nutty violent White guys. Almost always, to a man, they focused on famous people and that was part of the price for fame and power. If you can't see targeting ordinary people as something really wrong, like Chinese men killing their own kindergartners, there is something seriously wrong with your powers of observation.

[Just Speculating]

@ nebbish

"Some prole/lower-class whites clearly are prone to Jew-hatred"

You do find Jersey Shore type Jews who are clearly Jewish proles. Hasidic Jews have prole like tendencies as well. Jews cover the entire spectrum of having money or not and being educated or not, with more having both, as there are more Jews in the SWPL camp than prole camp.

[AE]

"What's a much more likely explanation is that a midnight showing of the new Batman movie is going to appeal mainly to white people. If he had shot up a midnight showing of a new Tyler Perry movie most of his victims would have been black."

Not really. There were a lot of people in the theatre who were black who escaped. I've been to that theatre many times and would be willing to bet that the audience was very diverse, racially.

Further, there is a higher number of blacks in Aurora who act white or who don't exactly conform to black culture. I can't think of any activities that people like to do around here that only appeal to one race over another.

[DaveinHackensack]

"[HS: Apartheid South Africa was not anti-semitic and neither was the antebellum South.]"

Siggie,

True. But Jews in both regions eventually became advocates for blacks -- being prominent in Civil Rights in the South, and as anti-Apartheid activists in South Africa. So, if some sort of racial separatism by whites evolved again in either region, I can't imagine they'd invite Jews to join them -- particularly considering the role prominent Jews had in expanding non-white immigration in the last 50+ years.

Coincidentally, there's a column in this weekend's FT by Simon Kuper -- a Jew raised in South Africa, who now lives in Paris -- praising London's diversity: http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/2/ad2c5bf6-d066-11e1-bcaa-00144feabdc0.html#axzz21OJPbOzl

Do you think if the British National Party ever takes over Britain that they'd welcome Simon Kuper with open arms? Seems unlikely.

[DaveinHackensack]

TUJ,

"5) There's also the fact that many low income whites who are normally most prone to anti-Jewish sentiments belong to Christian denominations that think they will be cursed by God if they harm Jews."

And most of these Christian denominations welcome NAMs with open arms and often raise money and volunteer in poverty-stricken parts of Africa and Latin America -- their universalism; compassion for the less fortunate, regardless of race; and their philosemitism all stem from the same root: their Christian faith. If you replace that generous Christian faith with a pitiless racial empiricism, their philosemitism will be a likely casualty as well -- particularly, once they realize the contempt that so many Jews have for them.

[DaveinHackensack]

"I can understand why white people wouldn't like nonwhites, because of the differences in appearance."

People generally don't dislike others because of their appearance, but because of their behavior (or perceptions thereof). So there are those who dislike Jews because they see Jews as having made the country worse in some ways (in their advocacy for leftism, neoconservatism and its costly wars, third world immigration, etc.).

"But I don't understand the basis for anti-Semitism, considering that Jews look just like anyone else"

It depends how attuned one is to different white phenotypes. Hollywood casting directors do their best to blur them though, which probably makes Americans less attuned to them. Consider, for example, the casting decisions in the show Parenthood ( http://www.nbc.com/parenthood/bios/erika-christensen/index.shtml ), where none of the siblings look a like, and none of the children look like their parents. If Americans are accustomed to viewing ethnically Danish Erika Christensen as a plausible sister of an ethnically Irish Lauren Graham -- and are told that their characters are "like, 40% Jewish" (in the words of another character) -- it's easy to see why their Jew-spotting skills might be deficient.

[Insider]

'There is no such thing only good looks.'

Several politicians aren't particularly good-looking but nevertheless, have charisma/social skills. I would agree that appearance and superficial impressions are about 60-70% of it, though.

[Fo' Shizzle]

"I can't think of any activities that people like to do around here that only appeal to one race over another."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bavou_SEj1E

[The Undiscovered Jew]

"If only racism was motivated by HBD thinking instead of any other thinking any inhumane actions would be perfectly justified. If preserving high-IQ is the idea, why the bias against east-asians and american-indians? Oh right, because "their psychological make-up is different"...I never know if you are being deliberately incredible."

?

Why do you think it's "incredible" the psychological profile of different races makes them more suitable for sustaining particular civilations and cultures?

Do you think if Australia became 75% Asian and 20% white, Australia would still be culturally Western?

"Most racists are also anti-semitic."

You've ignored all the historical evidence I and Sigma laid out for you, but since we can see you aren't very smart so I will spell things out for you again.

Race realism and anti-semitism don't really go together in Anglo-Saxon countries.

The Victorian English invented social Darwinism in the 19th century and went on to elect an ethnic Jew as their prime minister. Australia was the first nation to elect not only an ethnic Jew, but a practicing Jew as their prime minister in the 19th century.

The historical evidence suggests racism can be divorced pretty easily from anti-semitism.

"You can try to rationalize away this reality all you like, but the odds that an HBD-motivated racial cleansing will take place"

How does paying non-white immigrants to renounce citizenship constitute "ethnic cleansing"?

"and the jews will be hailed"

Never said anything about Jews being hailed.

Take medication for your anger and paranoia, please. You bore me.

"If I ever encounter a jew like you (and I never do...they are all SWPLs here in NYC) might have to remind him of the grimy details of the Holocaust."

I care deeply what you think.

Zzzzz

[The Undiscovered Jew]

"Racial anti-Semitism predates the Nazis. In medieval Spain there was racial anti-Semitism against the conversos:"

That article proves my argument Jews were primarily persecuted because of religion.

According to your link, that law only barred Jewish conversos from serving in political office. It didn't lead to their expulsion like it did for Jews who refused to convert. If they were being persecuted primarily because of their race, the Jewish conversos would also have been expelled from Spain because converting to Christianity didn't alter their ethnicity.

Also, the pope objected to the law restricting the rights of conversos, which again proves my point the issue Europeans had with Jews was their religion, not their race.

"Religious, cultural, ideological conflict such as religious anti-Semitism is often just a proxy for ethno-racial conflict."

Most conflicts are inter-racial because ethnic groups normally have more contact with their own ethnic group and, thanks to improvements in transportation, it has only been recent in human evolution for large numbers of ethnic groups to get into contact with other ethnic groups. How do you explain Catholic ethnic French persecuting fellow ethnic French because they were Protestants during the wars of religion?

"The problem now is that racial anti-Semitism is "easier" because genetic testing is getting cheaper, easier, etc."

The genetics prove Jews are genetically white.

"I don't think it's the lower class prole whites who are pro-Jewish and pro-Israel evangelicals that are most prone to anti-Jewish sentiment. These evangelical types are often also pro-Third World and preaching evangelical Christianity to and helping minorities. I think it's middle class whites and upper class whites who aren't really religious that are most prone to anti-Semitism."

Wrong. According to the GSS, anti-semitism is more common among lower class whites.

Also Hitler's voting base in 1933 consisted of the working class and lower middle class. In fact, the working classes of Germany split their votes between the Nazi party and German Communist party led by Ernst Thallman. Thallman had to adopt Hitler's nationalist rhetoric late in the campaign because Thallman could see Hitler was eating away at the KPD's working class base.

The upper classes, by contrast, voted for other conservative business parties.

[The Undiscovered Jew]

"True. But Jews in both regions eventually became advocates for blacks -- being prominent in Civil Rights in the South, and as anti-Apartheid activists in South Africa."

The Jews only became advocates for blacks because they were imitating the pro-black sentiments of the liberal Western elite. If the gentile elite becomes race realist, non-ethnocentric Jews would also become race realist.

"So, if some sort of racial separatism by whites evolved again in either region, I can't imagine they'd invite Jews to join them -- particularly considering the role prominent Jews had in expanding non-white immigration in the last 50+ years."

Polls show Jews don't support immigration and the role Jewish organizations have played in the US supporting immigration is miniscule compared to the role of the Catholic Church, big businesses, and gentile liberals.

"Coincidentally, there's a column in this weekend's FT by Simon Kuper -- a Jew raised in South Africa, who now lives in Paris -- praising London's diversity:"

The English elites are the ones who support liberal immigration policy, not the Jews who tend to vote Tory.

There are individual Jews who support immigration, but so what? Elite gentiles also support immigration. The gentiles at the Guardian.co.uk aren't exactly crowning themselves with race realist glory either.

[The Undiscovered Jew]

"If you replace that generous Christian faith with a pitiless racial empiricism,"

I am not a racial reductionist - I just want race realism to inform the public debate.

And why are citizenship buyouts and whites only immigration "pitiless"? If Eduardo Saverin and Denise Rich turned in their citizenship for financial gain and caused nobody any harm, I see no reason why a citizenship buyout scheme would be immoral. All the nonwhites would do would leave for another country. It's not as if they're loyal to the country anyway.

[Allerious]

AE: "considering that Jews look just like anyone else"

To an untrained observer or a dark-skinned minority, I'm sure that's the case. But in reality, not so. It's usually not difficult to tell who's a member of the tribe.

And even if they did look no different than Gentiles, they certainly don't act the way most Gentiles do. Their behavior and ideological sympathies would still give them away.

So there's your "basis".

DaveinHackensack:
"And most of these Christian denominations welcome NAMs with open arms and often raise money and volunteer in poverty-stricken parts of Africa and Latin America -- their universalism; compassion for the less fortunate, regardless of race; and their philosemitism all stem from the same root: their Christian faith."

Correct. That is precisely why the Nazi's privately despised Christianity and intended to eradicate it from German society as soon as circumstances would allow. They correctly viewed its universalist, egalitarian "slave morality" as totally incompatible with their racial ideology and the warrior ethos which they were trying to instill within the German people.

To wit:

"We will have to deal with Christianity in a tougher way than hitherto. We must settle accounts with this Christianity, this greatest of plagues that could have happened to us in our history, which has weakened us in every conflict." – Heinrich Himmler

Hitler (December 13, 1941), quote:
"The war is going to be over. The last great task of our age will be to solve the church problem. It is only then that the nation will be wholly secure.

"I do not care about doctrine, but I won't tolerate it if some fat priest concerns himself with things of this earth. The way we must destroy organized mendacity is to make sure the state is absolute master. When I was young, my position was: dynamite. It was only later that I understood that this sort of thing cannot be rushed. It must rot away like a gangrened member. The point that must be reached is to have the pulpits filled with none but boobs, and the congregations with none but little old women. The healthy young people are with us..."
-"Hitlers Tischgesprache," Picker, p. 154 ["The Nazi Years: A Documentary History," edited by Joachim Remak, p. 105]

"The gods of our ancestors look different. They were men and had a weapon in their hand, symbolizing the attitude to life that is innate to our race -- that of action, that of a man's responsibility for himself. How different the pale crucified one, expressing, by his passive attitude and by his decided look of suffering, humility and an extreme of self-surrender, both qualities which contradict the basically heroic attitude of our race..." -"Das Schwarze Korps", June 8, 1939, p.13 ["The Nazi Years: A Documentary History," edited by Joachim Remak, p. 103]

"Humanity accomplishes a step up every 700 years and the ultimate aim is the coming of the sons of God. All creative forces will be concentrated in a new species. It will be infinitely superior to modern man....Those who see in National Socialism, nothing more than a political movement know scarcely anything of it...It is more even than a religion. It is the will to create mankind anew.
...
The old beliefs will be brought back to honor again. The whole secret knowledge of nature, of the divine, the demonic. We will wash off the Christian veneer and bring out a religion peculiar to our race."

Another relevant and contemporaneously made observation came from Oswald Spengler, who stated:

"Christian theology is the grandmother of Bolshevism."

http://takimag.com/article/hitler_and_the_new_nazi_religion/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/topics/christmas/6587738/How-Hitler-and-the-Nazis-tried-to-steal-Christmas.html

Considering who the Nazi's were, what they stood for, and who they were fighting against, it's easy to connect the dots.

I've always said that there's very little that's truly "conservative" about the Xtian Right. Most of them are essentially liberals who believe in God. They don't care about small government, they don't care about capitalism, and they certainly don't care about HBD. We know what they care about: God, gays and guns. That's what kicks their tires and lights their fires..

If moral crusaders like Jerry Falwell and Rick Santorum are supposed to be "ultra-conservative" then how come they share so much common ground with self-professed atheists and Marxists in the feminist camp? Simply look at their joint support of the criminalization of healthy male sexuality.

Answer: There's nothing "conservative" about anti-male ideologies, of which modern day Protestant Christianity is one. The true, old-school conservative position is that women and children are the property of men and men have total say over what happens to them, period.

"If you replace that generous Christian faith with a pitiless racial empiricism, their philosemitism will be a likely casualty as well -- particularly, once they realize the contempt that so many Jews have for them."

Yes well, fortunately for the Jews, that's never going to happen. The religious proles in this country will never, ever give up on ole Jeebuz. Not when gay marriage is legalized in 50 states and enshrined in the Constitution. Not when openly gay priests and pastors find their way to the pulpit in every jurisdiction.

They'll simply find a way to modify the doctrine to accommodate the new reality, the way that all major religions have been doing for the past 2,000 years or so.

The beauty of Christianity, as with most religions, is that it's infinitely malleable. When professional athletes, serial killers on death row and little old grannies in Suburbia can all sing the praises of the lord Cheesus (which they do, with equal aplomb) you know you've got an enduring ideology.

[not too late]

"Whiskey has an excellent blog post explaining how the demonization of white males led to this tragedy."

Interesting.

The media generally would have us believe that NAM violence is due to oppressive whites, but white violence is innate, rather than the more likely opposite situation.

[The Undiscovered Jew]

"People generally don't dislike others because of their appearance, but because of their behavior (or perceptions thereof). So there are those who dislike Jews because they see Jews as having made the country worse in some ways (in their advocacy for leftism,"

Jews support the same liberal policies the elite gentiles do because they're imitating the gentile elite. Jewish liberalism just proves Jewish behavior is consistent with elite gentile behavior.

"It depends how attuned one is to different white phenotypes. Hollywood casting directors do their best to blur them though,"

If anything, it's anti-semites who, living in mostly rural areas, are not attuned to Jewish physical appearance because they're always confusing gentiles like Timothy Geithner and the "Joker" shooter for being Jews because they are paranoid and delusional about their theories about how Jews are fundamentally different from other white people.

[Aaron]

"If they were being persecuted primarily because of their race, the Jewish conversos would also have been expelled from Spain because converting to Christianity didn't alter their ethnicity."

The Muslim Arabs who converted also weren't expelled. The fact that Jewish and Muslim Arab converts weren't expelled doesn't prove that race didn't matter. They were tolerated since they submitted to the dominant culture but they were discriminated against. Blacks weren't expelled from the South, but they were discriminated against. This doesn't mean that race didn't matter in the South.

"The genetics prove Jews are genetically white."

We can repeat this until we're blue in the face to the anti-Semites but it won't matter to them because they're anti-Semites and genetic tests can identify Jews.

"According to the GSS, anti-semitism is more common among lower class whites."

Middle and upper class whites that harbor anti-Semitism aren't the types to admit it. Lower class prole whites are stupid and less inhibited and more likely to admit it if they're anti-Semitic.

[Scarlet Knight]

@Lexus Liberal

Steve Sailer also writes for Takimag.

[Allerious]

"We can repeat this until we're blue in the face to the anti-Semites but it won't matter to them because they're anti-Semites and genetic tests can identify Jews."

Genetics tests also reveal Middle Eastern Jews and Palestinians to be blood brothers, but good luck getting either Israeli or Arab nationalists to talk about that.

[nebbish]

Allerious,

Depends on which genetic tests and which Middle Eastern Jews you are talking about. Palestinians and Middle Eastern Jewish populations (actually all of the core Jewish populations) share some identical by descent (IBD) DNA segments with Palestinians and other Levantines. However, the population genetic profile of most Middle Eastern Jews in an ADMIXTURE analysis is similar to but slightly different from that of the Palestinians, particularly in the relative paucity of sub-Saharan admixture. Analysis of Yemeni Jews shows them to be more similar to the peoples of the Arabian peninsula than to Levantines. For Ashkenazim and Sephardim, there is evidence of southern European admixture, but the IBD segments shared with Palestinians are still present, strongly suggestive of ancient Levantine origins.

[Firepower]

He'd get more Precious BLOG HITS if he explained the truly OBVIOUS: Why did Mr. Aurora Whitenerd kill whites at a SWPL movie

instead of wasting the colored beaners polluting HIS neighborhood.

But, it is always entertaining to see more of whisk's impotent commentary.

[DaveinHackensack]

TUJ,

"Jews support the same liberal policies the elite gentiles do because they're imitating the gentile elite"

You can't seriously believe that American Jews have just followed the ideological lead of elite gentiles. And more to the point, most gentiles won't believe it if they ever think hard on it (part of the reason Evangelicals in flyover country are philosemitic is that they don't think about Jewish leftism -- they don't read the NYT, and don't come into contact with left wing Jews).

American Jews have clearly been driven by their own motivations in pursuing Civil Rights for blacks and in expanding third world immigration to the US. And, allied with Catholics, they have had an enormous impact on changing American policy and attitudes toward third world immigration, from Emma Lazarus's poem on the Statue of Liberty, to the 1965 immigration act.

The positive interpretation of these actions is that they were driven by a Jewish sense of justice / "healing the world". A less charitable interpretation is that, by increasing third world immigration, Jews would, by comparison, be seen as more white, and have a buffer below them in a majority white country.

In any case, the Jewish-Catholic success in turning the US from a majority WASP country that saw itself as such, to a "nation of immigrants" makes your immigrant buyout scheme impossible in the US.

[HS: How are you helping to promote HBD by trying to make Jews paranoid of HBD?]

[Theakinet]

"Whiskey has an excellent blog post explaining how the demonization of white males led to this tragedy."

NAM kills people, all NAMs responsible. White guy kills people, NAMs responsible......But why do people think HBD/Race Realists are scientific racists?

[Theakinet]

LOL, just noticed Whiskey blamed Jesse Jackson. Would a young white science studying, WOW playing nerd even know who Jackson is?

[The Undiscovered Jew]

"American Jews have clearly been driven by their own motivations"

Prove it by answering the following:

1) List three motivational differences are there between an elite Jew like Stephen Breyer and elite WASP gentile David Souter?

2) List three motivational differences are there between an elite Jew like Bernanke and elite WASP gentile Timothy Geithner?

"and in expanding third world immigration to the US."

Jews oppose more legal immigration. And Jewish organizations have spent less time and money lobbying for more third worlders than the Catholic Church and the Chamber of Commerce.

"And, allied with Catholics, they have had an enormous impact on changing American policy and attitudes toward third world immigration,"

You're under the mistaken impression WASPs are like the Bushes, Chaffees, and Rockefellers are conservative. WASPs haven't been conservative since Coolidge-Harding.

And the Catholics and Jews adopted WASP political customs.

Catholics and Jews have done more for American conservatism than WASPs had. The number of conservative/libertarian Catholics and Jews dwarfs the number of WASP conservatives. How many Episcopalian conservatives have there been compared to Catholic and Jewish conservatives.

"The positive interpretation of these actions is that they were driven by a Jewish sense of justice /"

Jews don't support immigration.

You're lying in order to blame Jews and Catholics for adopting policies that were supported by elite WASPs such as the WASP dominated SCOTUS from 1969-1994 where no Jews were present on the court.

[The Undiscovered Jew]

"[HS: How are you helping to promote HBD by trying to make Jews paranoid of HBD?]"

The antisemites also hate Catholics and Southern Europeans.

The antisemites are the biggest obstacle to HBD gaining mainstream Republican and Libertarian acceptance.

[The Undiscovered Jew]

"but the IBD segments shared with Palestinians are still present, strongly suggestive of ancient Levantine origins."

Jewish Middle Eastern DNA is not primarily Levantine, it's Anatolian Turk.

These genetic studies don't distinguish between Anatolian DNA and Arabian DNA, so you can't claim that Jews share common Middle Eastern markers with Palestinians because that doesn't fit the known migratory pattern of the Hellenic Jews who became the Ashkenazi and Sephardic European Jews.

[The Undiscovered Jew]

"The Muslim Arabs who converted also weren't expelled. The fact that Jewish and Muslim Arab converts weren't expelled doesn't prove that race didn't matter."

Your moving the goal posts again. At a minimum it suggests that religion was the primary reason for discrimination and race a secondary issue. Even the pope objected to restricting ethnic Jewish converts from politics, which proves pre-Hitler discrimination was religiously motivated.

[DaveinHackensack]

TUJ,

Why don't you prove to me that Jews haven't been driven by their own motivations, and have always been ideological sheep following the lead of elite gentiles? Start with the 1965 Immigration Act. Tell me why it was co-sponsored not by WASPs, but by an Irish-American and a Jewish-American.

It's true that elite WASPs today share the same attitudes on immigration, but American Jews have, as I mentioned above, played a role in shaping those attitudes (the US as a "nation of immigrants").

[nebbish]

TUJ,

You don't understand identical by descent DNA. They are literally identical segments of DNA inherited from common ancestors. The more of them there are, the more ancestry is shared, and the longer the individual segments are, the less time has passed since transmission (i.e. less recombination). Sharing of identical by descent fragments of DNA is proof of common ancestry. Palestinians and Jews share these segments, therefore there is common ancestry. It is not recent common ancestry, and Jewish populations share IBD segments with other groups as well so it does not represent total ancestry, but it's there. The greatest sharing of segments is within Jewish groups,characterized by numerous small shared segments indicative of many common ancestors remote in time. That's why Ashkenazim have so many "cousins" on 23andMe.

[The Undiscovered Jew]

"Why don't you prove to me that Jews haven't been driven by their own motivations,"

1) YOU are the one accusing Jews of having different motivations than gentiles, therefore YOU as the accuser are obligated to give evidence in support of your theory. And when challenged, you failed to provide evidence for your hypothesis, instead throwing the question back at the defender.

2) The proof is that elite Jews like Bernanke and Greenspan and ex-Goldman CEO Robert Rubin BEHAVE the same way as elite gentiles like Geithner and Hank Paulson and ex-Goldman CEO Jon Corzine, which indicates basically identical motivations.

If you want prove elite Jews like Bernanke have different motivations than Jews, then list just three differences in motivation between Bernanke, Greenspan and Geithner and Paulson.

[The Undiscovered Jew]

"Start with the 1965 Immigration Act. Tell me why it was co-sponsored not by WASPs, but by an Irish-American and a Jewish-American."

The majority of the votes for the act came from gentiles, and since gentiles favored the act then it couldn't have been an act to serve Jewish interests, or else why would gentiles have voted for it?

"It's true that elite WASPs today share the same attitudes on immigration, but American Jews have, as I mentioned above, played a role in shaping those attitudes"

Gentiles also defined America as one founded by settlers and immigrants.

Jews were and are simply imitating the gentiles.

Furthermore, countries in Europe with little liberal Jews like Britain and Sweden also opened their borders to non-whites BEFORE the 1965 act was passed, which indicates these social trends you want to blame ONLY on Jews and Catholics. The Windrush ship landed in Britain immediately after WWII. Were Jews responsible for Europe's immigration policy, which opened them up to non-whites BEFORE 1965?

[The Undiscovered Jew]

"Why don't you prove to me that Jews haven't been driven by their own motivations, and have always been ideological sheep following the lead of elite gentiles?"

If Jews have different motivations, then you should be able to answer these two questions:

1) List three motivational differences are there between an elite Jew like Stephen Breyer and elite WASP gentile David Souter?

2) List three motivational differences are there between an elite Jew like Bernanke and elite WASP gentile Timothy Geithner?

If you can't list at least three motivational differences, then I can only conclude you're trying to divert blame for liberal policies from gentile elites and direct all of it at Jews (and Catholics) who have been imitating gentile elites.

[The Undiscovered Jew]

"Tell me why it was co-sponsored not by WASPs,"

The WASPs haven't been conservative since Cooldge and their post-FDR support for conservatism is totally dwarfed by Catholic and Jewish conservatives and liberals.

[The Undiscovered Jew]

"You don't understand identical by descent DNA. They are literally identical segments of DNA inherited from common ancestors."

The Near Eastern portion of Jewish DNA cannot be Palestinian because it doesn't match the known migratory history of the Jews who became European Jews. The Hellenic Jews sought converts for 600-800 years in modern Turkey, not Palestine. Turkey is where much of their European DNA was picked up, and so too must be their Near Eastern DNA, unless you have evidence that Palestine derived Hellenic Jews purposely only targeted Greeks and Romans for conversion, but not Anatolian ethnic groups, for 600-800 years.

"Sharing of identical by descent fragments of DNA is proof of common ancestry. Palestinians and Jews share these segments, therefore there is common ancestry. It is not recent common ancestry, and Jewish populations share IBD segments with other groups as well so it does not represent total ancestry, but it's there."

I've explained this to you before, but those studies don't distinguish Near Eastern ancestry by Middle East SUB-groups, and therefore you can't conclude the Near Eastern portion of Jewish DNA is Palestinian UNLESS Palestinian DNA is distinguished between other Middle Eastern ethnic groups, such as Turks.

"The greatest sharing of segments is within Jewish groups,"

The shared ancestry is Caucuses ancestry, not Arab ancestry.

Most of the Mizrahi Jews are Anatolian. Jews such as the Persian Jews, Georgian Jews, Mountain Jews, etc, have lived in Anatolian countries like Turkey and Persia for thousands of years and resemble the local populations.

[QT]

@Bill
"All geeky white males without social skills must be awarded a submissive girlfriend, adoring friends, and an astronomical salary to prevent any future tragedies."

Seriously. I second that motion. Besides, most of these chicks ain't doin' shit anyway, they can give birth to the genius' kids.

[Aaron]

"At a minimum it suggests that religion was the primary reason for discrimination and race a secondary issue."

The Spaniards attacked and discriminated against conversos even after they converted. This suggests that race was primary to these anti-Semites.

Blacks weren't expelled from the South, but they were attacked and discriminated against. This doesn't mean that race was a secondary issue in the South.

[The Undiscovered Jew]

"The Spaniards attacked and discriminated against conversos even after they converted."

The law only barred them from holding office, which is a less severe punishment than expulsion.

And you seem very keen on the idea of violently attacking Jews. Projecting much?

Btw, Spanish Jews were allowed to migrate back to Spain some years later.

"This suggests that race was primary to these anti-Semites."

Your own wikipedia article refuted your argument.

It was secondary because they treated Conversos *better* than they did Jews who refused to convert to Christianity.

Expulsion is a more severe form of political discrimination than placing a separate group under a separate legal category.

If converts to Christianity were suffered less severe political punishment than practicing Jews by virtue of being allowed to retain citizenship, then that means the primary issue Spaniards had with Jews was their religion, not their race.

"Blacks weren't expelled from the South, but they were attacked and discriminated against. This doesn't mean that race was a secondary issue in the South."

Being physically attacked doesn't prove a racial motivation because people will attack others for any reason, even members of the same ethnic group.

[nebbish]

I've explained this to you before, but those studies don't distinguish Near Eastern ancestry by Middle East SUB-groups..."

Identical by descent DNA analsysis is different from a uniparental marker study and different from an ADMIXTURE analysis. If segments of identical by descent DNA are shared between Palestinians and Jews, that is indicative of some degree of common ancestry. The shared segments of DNA could be of other origin, but why would the Palestinians have, say, significant Anatolian ancestry to account for the sharing. That doesn't reflect their population history.

The ADMIXTURE data, of which there are many examples at Dienekes' Dodecad site, is more fuzzy, I will admit. At certain k levels it throws off ancestral components to which Dienekes assigned names based on where those components are modal, i.e. West Asian, Southwest Asian, Mediterranean, North European, etc. None of these represent actual historical populations. Rather, they are inferred populations, and individuals of Ashkenazi Jewish, Palestinian or Anatolian Turkish background show mixtures of these various components. The Palestinian mixture of components is similar to other Levantine populations and different from Arabian Arabs and (moderately different from) Anatolian Turks. Given presence of the mostly the same ancestral components but in different proportions among Anatolians, Palestinians and Ashkenazim in ADMIXTURE, it's hard to be definitive about ultimate Ashkenazi origin from the data. However, the Ashkenazi profile strongly resembles a Levantine profile but with less Southwest Asian and increased Mediterranean and mildly increased Northern European components. In combination with the place of origin of the Hebrews (before migration to Anatolia, Europe, etc.) as well as sharing of some identical DNA segments with Palestinians, a model of Levantine origin with subsequent south European (perhaps Anatolian also or instead) admixture makes sense.

[LaPanache]

So the points TUJ has been making so far:

1. Gentiles are responsible, as much if not more so than Jews in driving leftism in the US. This is supposed to negate the massive Jewish support for Leftist Ideology how?
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/US-Israel/partyid.html

2. Jews in the US are primarily liberal because they follow elite gentiles.
Perhaps because it serves their best interests? The elite Gentiles who don't support liberal ideology also hate the Jews. Anti-semitism cannot be admitted to in educated circles but Stormfronter's aren't the only anti-semites. Do spend some time among WASP Manhattanites and have fun shuffling your feet as the inevitable JewJoke rears its ugly head.

3. Jews are no different than Gentile whites and look no different.
Which explains how they had been successfully segregated through-out Europe through-out history. Ofcourse European Askenazis are white. They are also different enough from whites that they can be identified as Jewish.
http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/jewish-world-news/dna-links-prove-jews-are-a-race-says-genetics-expert-1.428664
I always know which white person is a jewish person and I am neither...

4. “The Victorian English invented social Darwinism in the 19th century and went on to elect an ethnic Jew as their prime minister. Australia was the first nation to elect not only an ethnic Jew, but a practicing Jew as their prime minister in the 19th century.”
This is supposed to negate the undeniable race/culture based anti-semitism prevalent throughout Europe even today?
http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/addressing-anti-semitism-part-of-france-s-forgotten-history.premium-1.452818

5. “The historical evidence suggests racism can be divorced pretty easily from anti-semitism.”
Does it?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Spain#Hatred_of_the_New_Christians
Read ‘Hatred of the New Christians”.

6. And lastly, Jews are anti-immigration? Because some Arizonian Jews expressed support for their anti-immigration laws? Ha!
http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/2.209/u-s-jews-and-latinos-form-unlikely-bond-over-immigration-policy-1.262473

You are DELUSIONAL if you think American Jews aren't majority liberals or that they will be accepted with open arms by non-liberal WASPs.

[Aaron]

TUJ,

If the conversos were attacked by Spaniards even after converting, then that means the primary issue these Spaniards had with Jews was their race. The conversos were protected to a degree by the government which was a monarchy and not representative of the people who were anti-Semitic and attacked conversos. It's like Muslim countries where the government protects to a degree and tolerates Jewish communities and doesn't expel them, but where the Muslims are still anti-Semitic.

Benjamin Netanyahu's father, Benzion Netanyahu, was a great historian who wrote the best book on the Inquisition called "The Origins of the Inquisition in Fifteenth Century Spain":

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2012/04/30/the-principles-of-benzion-netanyahu/

"In his seminal work, The Origins of the Inquisition in Fifteenth Century Spain, Benzion Netanyahu exploded myths about the persecution of Jews in Spain that saw most of those who converted to Christianity as a result of persecution as secretly practicing their old faith. Contrary to the long-held belief that the victims of the Inquisition were secret Jews or Marranos, Netanyahu proved that most were not. They were attacked by the Christian establishment not because of their religion but because Jews were seen as inherently evil. As with the Nazis who followed centuries later, the attack on the former Jews was the result of racism, not religious extremism."

[Kiwiguy]

fyi.

"25-year-old Rachel Reed told Reuters that she saw Holmes in Zephyr a couple of months ago where she had put a Lil Wayne song on the jukebox. Reed claims Holmes disapproved of her choice of music and said he preferred rock 'n' roll.

He is then said to have gone over to her and "made some racially charged comments about rap."

http://www.taletela.com/news/17828/colorado-cinema-killer-james-holmes-made-racial-slurs-about-lil-wayne-&-rap