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August 30, 2012

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Is she really a bad speaker? She's just not necessarily a compelling speaker, IMO.

But she has no plans to run for elective office.

[HS: Yeah, she was bad. That doesn't make her a bad person, or a stupid one. Palin gave a good speech but she was as stupid as a brick. McCain should have chosen Rice instead of Palin if he had to have a female running mate.]

"Republicans hate feeling that they might be racist, so seeing a black Republican (who is a mulatto Oreo, heavily into classical music, and acts more white than even Obama does) makes them feel better about themselves, and allows them to say “ha you liberals, look, we have important black people on our side, we’re not racist” for which liberals will never give them the least bit of credit anyway"

Rice is not a mulatto, she's solidly black. And republicans shouldn't give liberals credit for being black friendly either because they're not; actually white liberals are often the most racist people of all, and their liberalism is an attempt to overcompensate for the guilt that causes them.

Republicans should say "we're the party of REAL blacks: Herman Cain, Clarence Thomas, condo rice...democrats will only accept blacks if they're 50% white, and even then the black half must be East African (the evolutionary missing links between negroids and caucasoids)

[HS: She LOOKS mulatto, and according to Wikipedia her genes are "51% African, 40% European and 9% Native American or Asian."]

Her speech was a recounting of the color-blind mainstream conservatism that the modern Republican Party is built around. It's honorable in principle but it has not worked. There are a few blacks willing to be judged on the content of their character, but then again, too few to mention.

Even Republican party practice affirmative action without acknowledgement. Hypocracy?

If she is "competently aware" of inernational relations, she's a long term chronic liar. If not "aware" she's dumb as a box of rocks.

Rice all through 2002 assured the world in many press conferences and the like that Saddam was contained in a box, with no WMDs. When her bosses or --oops-- her "awakening" in 2003 told her to shift gears, she properly obliged.

She decries Al Qaeda but wanted the AQ infiltrated Syrian rebellion to be armed
by the US. She's a warmongering big spending
tart for The Lobby and the m-i complex.

Lastly, re 9-11-2001,she said no intelligence had ever been received warning of the possibility of airplanes being used a missiles to attack buildings in the US, although many examples were in the records.
A lie or another example of incompetence?

Dutiful affirmative action hire bought off incompetent wrapped in one, that's my summary.

Somewhere in the HBD sphere I recall reading a reliably sourced assertion that typical "African Americans" are somewhere on the order of 15-25% European. And those are the ones that aren't a product of a recent mixed race coupling. Looking at American blacks I see around town, there are very few of them that look to me like pure, straight out of Africa, Africans. And the ones that do, well they typically turn out to be African Africans. Anyway, Condi Rice is arguably a mulatto even if both of her parents are "black."

Sorry I can't stomach speeches...but I heard she called for throwing more trillions at educating NAMs?

You know this is really narcissism; "Look at me! I was saved by education and see how Fabulous I am! And of course I want education to save everyone else too!"

But then she would not be so special.

Rice does not look at all mulatto.

"according to Wikipedia her genes are ..."


Is this the definition of "credulous"?

Whatever her race, the *content* of her speech included unique and important contributions to the RNC convention.
She was the only speaker to address international issues. She addressed the heavy bourdons of leadership and the prospect of a vacuum of power. No speakers before her could have addressed these topics with such front row experience.

She addressed energy independence and reviewed American meritocracy, with her parents beliefs come to fruition.

If you didn't see her speech as inspiring , it's because you decided not to.

Yeah, there is quite a double-standard here. Rice was an utter failure as NSA and as Sec of St., but because she is black she gets a pass (Harsh, I know, but really, how else does one put it?). Imagine somebody like Robert ManNamera being asked to give a speech at a Democratic or Republican Convention in spite of his responsibility for the Vietnam quagmire - it's pretty hard to imagine (although I'll admit I could be wrong here - maybe he did give such a speech). Yet in spite of Rice's culpability for Iraq, nobody really cares and it is just swept under the rug. Rather Orwellian, to be honest.

Saying people only care about Condi because she's black is a bit like saying people only care about Chris Christie cause he's fat. Fun facts and memorable distinctions matter much more to we, the lazy and stupid audience than the press or political establishment.

The fact is, most politicians are quite unremarkable and interchangeable. The ones who consistently capture the headlines are usually the most aggressive, ambitious self-promoters with the biggest egos. They usually know how to play the press and cast themselves as dynamic players in some larger narrative.

Tim Pawlenty is a good example of this, since there's nothing remotely remarkable or memorable about him. If he was black, we'd probably assume he was only in the headlines because of his race, too, rather than his crazily aggressive ambition.

For anyone who cares to study her bio, Condi's race is relevant mostly only as a motivator for her desire to be star of the show.

I agree with Ken hoop, and she was one of the primary "marketers" of the mushroom cloud propaganda campaign that led us into Iraq. For that alone she merits no respect whatsoever...she's a total piece of lying garbage regardless of her gender or race.

I don't know. I think Rice is a genius. :/

To each their own.

Even though her speech was vapid, I agree Rice is pretty intelligent. Based on her interviews where I've can watch her speaking patterns and eye reaction times, I'd guesttimate her IQ to be at least 130, probably somewhat higher.

Also, Rice isn't stupid, like the mulatto Obama.

Also, mulattos seem to inherit the worst characteristics of both whites and blacks.

Half-blacks I've known tend to be both stupid, ugly, AND introverted/socially awkward, the worst possible combination.

Mulattos have IQs of 92 and, likely, IQ standard deviations of 14.5*, which means only 16% of half-blacks have IQs over 97 and only 2.5% have IQs over 111.

So not only are mulattos dumb, they can't get white women to date them because they are introverted and can't make up for their introversion like white B- beta males can by earning a good income or being smart enough to get into a good career track because white people normally need a minimum IQ of 115 or 120 to have a shot at being a high earner. Although, as Sigma has pointed out, high IQ starts to have diminishing returns once you get over the 120 IQ threshold.

Being a half black girl dooms the girl's chances of landing a good man because black features are normally displeasing to even lower class white men.

According to Razib, mulattos were more likely to marry other blacks than marry white people, which, again confirms that inheriting black characteristics from a black parent is a one way ticket to the underclass.

* According to Charles Murray, blacks have IQ STDEVs of 13 and gentile whites have STDEVs of 16.66, and the average of these two numbers works out to about 14.5 or so.

Interestingly, according to Murray, Jews have a STDEV of only 13, which suggests that IQ average and IQ variance is dependent on a differentiated work force.

From an HBD perspective, I've been pleased with Romney-Ryan.

They've kept the racial pandering to a minimum while still using Atwater-esque "dog whistle" campaign themes like Obama's loosening of welfare-to-work standards to win over white suburbanites outside the South which have trended Democrat since Clinton but are now be coming back to the GOP, as recent polls from the suburbs of Chicago and wealthy Connecticut indicate.

saw her speech and didn't have the same reaction you did. I thought it was quite good and that she's an effective public speaker. I think that even more so since learning she's the only speaker at the RNC who didn't use a teleprompter.

She gave a similarly effective speech about a month ago at a Romney fundraiser. The donor audience, including Romney, were impressed, and I think that's were the Condi for VP rumors came from.

Frankly, I think you were prepared to judge her harshly, for whatever reason. You didn't judge the other speaker's public speaking quality. I would like to compare her speech against the other RNC speakers if they were not using a teleprompter.

Get the popcorn ready for Rick Perry's off-the-teleprompter speech.

Aren't you going to rail against Rice for not going to an Ivy League school?

"Also, Rice isn't stupid, like the mulatto Obama."

According to genetic testing, Rice is pretty much a mulatto herself:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condoleezza_Rice#Early_life

"Rice discovered on the PBS series Finding Your Roots[7] that she is of 51% African, 40% European and 9% Native American or Asian genetic descent"

Rice seems like a worse looking woman than Obama is a bad looking man. Especially since looks are more important for women.

"Half-blacks I've known tend to be both stupid, ugly, AND introverted/socially awkward, the worst possible combination."

There are actually lots of mulattoes and quadroons and whatnot in pro sports. Not just in the US but from South America and Europe. The gold medal in the decathlon in this summer's Olympics was a mulatto. I think mulattoes often tend to do better than pure blacks. Elite and wealthy blacks tend to be mulatto types.

"Being a half black girl dooms the girl's chances of landing a good man because black features are normally displeasing to even lower class white men."

Black men often prefer mulatto types. Elite and wealthy blacks tend to marry these mulatto type women.

"Interestingly, according to Murray, Jews have a STDEV of only 13, which suggests that IQ average and IQ variance is dependent on a differentiated work force."

Probably has more to do with the fact that "gentile whites" is a very broad category.

". Yet in spite of Rice's culpability for Iraq, nobody really cares and it is just swept under the rug. Rather Orwellian, to be honest."

I don't think Rice gets a pass because she's black. An even bigger double standard is Hillary Clinton who actually VOTED for the war in Iraq and as the most admired elected Democrat in America (at the time) did far more to mobilize Americans behind the war than condi rice, because Hillary convinced LIBERALS to support the war.


And yet despite this Hillary is more popular than ever among Democrats (the anti-war party).

Now Hillary did pay a huge price in that her war vote helped cost her the presidency, but condi has payed a similar price for her war record (notice she hasn't been put on a presidential ticket, despite her rock star status)

Prince looks like a mulatto. Condi Rice, in contrast, looks like a regular, mostly full blooded black American woman.

Learn your colors.

"All the liberals are thinking what that guy from Yahoo News accidentally said into a live mike. "

Which is what, for the uninformed?

Condi Rice entered college at 16 and graduated at 19. Granted, the college in question was University of Denver (a third tier school) and her father was the assistant dean of the school, and she only graduated Cum Laude, so her status as something of a child prodigy is questionable. Also, she chose to get her Ph.D. from University of Denver, even though she could have gone to a higher-ranked school. This fascinating article that probed into her school records shows she was a largely unexceptional scholar:

http://www.prwatch.org/node/7327

For example, she got her M.A. in University of Notre Dame, and her academic papers were assessed as follows by her adviser, George A. Brinkley, a Soviet scholar and chairman of the Government and International Studies Department:

"they lacked depth and attention to different interpretations and points of view ... her evident skills and potential were not developed into more mature scholarship."

'Mulattos have IQs of 92 and, likely, IQ standard deviations of 14.5*, which means only 16% of half-blacks have IQs over 97 and only 2.5% have IQs over 111.'

You fudged your own math a bit. Only 16% would have IQ's over ~107, and only 2.5% would have IQ's over ~122.

'So not only are mulattos dumb, they can't get white women to date them because they are introverted and can't make up for their introversion like white B- beta males can by earning a good income or being smart enough to get into a good career track because white people normally need a minimum IQ of 115 or 120 to have a shot at being a high earner'

Lol. I haven't known many mulattos in my life, but the ones I've known only dated white women. Quite successfully, I might add. They've also been fairly smart (slightly in one case, and very much so in the other).

Also, why can't you just admit that someone who graduated magna cum laude from HLS (BO) probably isn't dumb? It's anonymous grading, and the honor itself was fairly selective even back in 1991. Give it up, man.

"they lacked depth and attention to different interpretations and points of view ... her evident skills and potential were not developed into more mature scholarship."

She's probably not that intelligent; she didn't need to be to get where she is. The republicans are so desperate for NAMs, women, and PhDs that as one of the very few conservatives who meets all 3 criteria, she was able to coast to the top of the party with very little competition, and what little competition she had would have been only from other rightwing NAMs who are usually not that intelligent.

*** "All the liberals are thinking what that guy from Yahoo News accidentally said into a live mike. "

Which is what, for the uninformed? ***

David Chalian (yahoo news) said something like "Romney and the Republicans are happy to have a party while Isaac drowns black people".

All of you who are saying that she isn't a mulatto are idiots. Geneological research showed that some of her ancestors came from Cameroon. Here is a picture of women from Cameroon:

http://www.gmmafrica.org/yahoo_site_admin/assets/images/DSCN6587.364517.JPG

Now here is a picture of Rice:

http://news.stanford.edu/news/2009/january28/gifs/rice.jpg

Notice any differences?

The mistake that you are making is that you think that the blacks that you see on a daily basis aren't mulattoes, when they clearly are. The average black in the US is about 1/4th white. Those living in urban areas are more white. Those living outside of the South are more white. So the blacks that you are used to interacting with are probably 30-40% white, just live Rice.

"It’s also worth nothing that both white Democrats and white Republicans secretly wish that all blacks would behave like Obama or Rice. But if they want that to happen, then it would be more likely to happen if they would just publicly and openly state that as their goal. " -HS

I seriously doubt that. In fact, the opposite would probably occur.

As everyone knows, the black community is divided between SBPDL blacks and SWPL/apologist/"Oreo" blacks. Any (white) pressure on the black community to become more SWPL/apologist/"Oreo" would surely result in more blacks siding with the SBPDL side in order to save face and not look like an Uncle Tom.

"Also, why can't you just admit that someone who graduated magna cum laude from HLS (BO) probably isn't dumb? It's anonymous grading, and the honor itself was fairly selective even back in 1991. Give it up, man."


It's very rare for Harvard students to be dumb, mostly because the SAT, subject tests, and school grades are pretty high for most Harvard students, and all of these criteria are related to IQ.

The only data we seem to have on the actual IQ scores (not SAT scores) of Harvard students came from a study where Harvard students took an excellent abbreviated version of the WAIS:

"Eighty-six Harvard undergraduates (33 men, 53 women), with a mean age of 20.7 years (SD = 3.3) participated in the study. All were recruited from sign-up sheets posted on campus...
The mean IQ of the sample was 128.1 points (SD = 10.3), with a range of 97 to 148 points." 

http://www.nidsci.org/pdf/carson-peterson-higgins.pdf

"As everyone knows, the black community is divided between SBPDL blacks and SWPL/apologist/"Oreo" blacks. Any (white) pressure on the black community to become more SWPL/apologist/"Oreo" would surely result in more blacks siding with the SBPDL side in order to save face and not look like an Uncle Tom."

This shows the low intelligence of most blacks even more than IQ tests; that the very behaviors that are needed to adapt to first world technological societies are stigmatized as being "uncle Tom" or acting white. What a self-defeating culture.


So not only are most blacks unable to adapt to modern societies but the few blacks with the IQ to do so are ridiculed as oreos for their talents. That is STUPID because it creates a self-imposed burden for blacks that asaians certainly don't have to endure. The genetically superior mongoloid race must shake their heads in laughter at African American culture.

"* According to Charles Murray, blacks have IQ STDEVs of 13 and gentile whites have STDEVs of 16.66, and the average of these two numbers works out to about 14.5 or so."

Standard deviations are not additive. You can sum uncorrelated variances though.

"Lol. I haven't known many mulattos in my life, but the ones I've known only dated white women. Quite successfully, I might add."

According to Razib's data you're wrong.

Half-black people are more likely to marry back into the black population than the white. And they presumably would like to marry a white person, but apparently can't pull it off because stupidity/low earning potential and sub-optimal appearance.

You have any data to contradict Razib?

Also, if you're going to throw out anecdotes, I rarely see white women-black man pairings where the black guy appears to have recent white ancestry. And white male/black or half black women pairings are so rare I can go over a year without seeing one.

"Also, why can't you just admit that someone who graduated magna cum laude from HLS (BO) probably isn't dumb?"

Because Obama talks like he's stupid with his stuttering, constant pausing to think about a softball question from a "reporter" who likely gave Obama's staff the question in advance, and his very slow speaking and eye reaction times.

I have never in my life met someone who was very intelligent who also sounded stupid whenever they opened their mouth.

115 is the ceiling on your friend's IQ level, and I'm increasingly wondering if his IQ is sub-100.

"It's anonymous grading, and the honor itself was fairly selective even back in 1991. Give it up, man."

Harvard is lying.

Non-AA top 10% magna cum laude graduates of HLS must have minimum IQs of 140 if they are capable of outhustling the other 90% of HLS students they are competing against.

There's no way Obama has an IQ of >=140.

If he did, he would produce his college scores.

"You can sum uncorrelated variances though."

Ok, but that doesn't improve the half-black STDEV much compared to simple averaging.

The STDEV for half-blacks then comes out to 14.94.

SQRT of (((16.66^2)+(13^2))/2) = 14.94, and a mean of only 92. An IQ of 110 is probably the absolute minimum IQ needed to major in a subject with good career prospects, but only 16% of half-blacks will have an IQ over 106-107.

Even more reason to keep black genetics out of your population's gene pool.

Also, since a sizable number of commenters here are considering marrying Asian women, I'd recommend using a white egg donor to produce children in order to pass on white cognitive and physical appearances to your kids.

Eurasian guys tend to not do well in the dating market because they're too introverted to approach women much and Eurasian girls aren't as attractive as fully white girls because of lack of breast size.

Using white egg donors in WM-AF pairings reduces concerns about putting your children at a social/dating disadvantage while adding more white people to the American population and in the least morally objectionable way possible (It's no morally different than a WM-AF couple adopting a fully white kid) because doing so retains freedom of mating choice without worrying about the social downsides of your descendents inheriting Asian traits.

"Interestingly, according to Murray, Jews have a STDEV of only 13, which suggests that IQ average and IQ variance is dependent on a differentiated work force."

Probably has more to do with the fact that "gentile whites" is a very broad category.

Posted by: Jacob Galil | August 30, 2012 at 10:48 PM"

No, it's not "overly broad". Per Murray gentile white STDEV in America and individual European nations is consistently tested to come out as 16.66. Note also, the NE Asian IQ STDEV is also 16.66.

Since Jewish IQ STDEV is 13, this indicates the gentile variance has been affected by the fact the gentile white labor force has needed a broader lower class workforce than the more niche oriented Jewish workforce.

'The only data we seem to have on the actual IQ scores (not SAT scores) of Harvard students came from a study where Harvard students took an excellent abbreviated version of the WAIS:'

I'd still think a Harvard -graduate- or law student would have an average IQ 6-8 points above that.

OT. http://www.nj.com/middlesex/index.ssf/2012/08/nj_supermarket_shooting_confli.html

Racist NAM murderer Terence Tyler served all of 23 months in the marines as an enlistee rifleman (private, cannon-fodder); never left stateside. His short military service indicates a less-than-honorable discharge. Oh yea, before dropping out, he did one semester at CUNY where all applicants are accepted.

"The genetically superior mongoloid race must shake their heads in laughter at African American culture."

I laugh as well, but my hand is on my pistol. Trouble is coming.

Condi Rice is clearly intelligent (though unreflective). But if it weren't for her race and gender, I don't think she would have been at the RNC - otherwise, why her and not Rumsfeld, considering that they were associated with the same policies in the same administration?

"Even more reason to keep black genetics out of your population's gene pool."

Genetic studies have shown that there are already black genes in the Southern European and Ashkenazi gene pools. Northern Europeans lack these genes, but that's likely to change due to greater mixing between them and Southern Euros and Ashkenazi in modern contemporary times, and due to greater contact and mixing between whites generally and blacks in modern contemporary times.

"Also, if you're going to throw out anecdotes, I rarely see white women-black man pairings where the black guy appears to have recent white ancestry."

American blacks average around 20% white ancestry which was introduced in the within the past 10 generations.

"Using white egg donors in WM-AF pairings reduces concerns about putting your children at a social/dating disadvantage while adding more white people to the American population and in the least morally objectionable way possible (It's no morally different than a WM-AF couple adopting a fully white kid) because doing so retains freedom of mating choice without worrying about the social downsides of your descendents inheriting Asian traits."

In this case the WM would be mating with the white egg, not with the AF. The AF would not really be his mate but just his companion.

This in general wouldn't work because people mate to pass on their genes, and the AF wouldn't be able to pass on her genes. Most AFs in this scenario would leave the WM and seek another mate or a sperm donation to mix her egg with it to do the same thing the WM is doing.

Most likely the WM would have to raise the child made with the egg donor by himself or with a nanny or with his parents or other family. The only way he'd be able to get a woman to help raise it is if he were alpha enough that the woman wanted to be with him, but the reason women want to be with alpha men is to mix their sperm with their eggs, so if they weren't doing that then he'd have trouble finding such a woman.

The WM in this scenario is likely to be a beta male since he pursues an AF, and he would likely have trouble getting a woman to raise a child that isn't hers biologically. Even if he were an alpha, he'd have trouble doing this since an alpha by definition is a man whose sperm women want to mix with their eggs.

I could see this kind of thing happening but it'll likely involve a man who has his own kid and raises it himself or with the help of a nanny and or family. Just as some beta and omega males today pay escorts for sex, those who want kids will pay egg donors and pay for nanny/childcare services (or raise it themselves or with family) while at the same time paying escorts for temporary sex and female companionship by the hour, since women generally won't stick around raising another woman's kid. Or they will be gay or asexual and still want kids. You already see something similar with gay men who have kids with an egg donor and raise it themselves.

"Using white egg donors in WM-AF pairings reduces concerns about putting your children at a social/dating disadvantage while adding more white people to the American population and in the least morally objectionable way possible (It's no morally different than a WM-AF couple adopting a fully white kid) because doing so retains freedom of mating choice without worrying about the social downsides of your descendents inheriting Asian traits."

In this case the WM would be mating with the white egg, not with the AF. The AF would not really be his mate but just his companion.

This in general wouldn't work because people mate to pass on their genes, and the AF wouldn't be able to pass on her genes. Most AFs in this scenario would leave the WM and seek another mate or a sperm donation to mix her egg with it to do the same thing the WM is doing.

Most likely the WM would have to raise the child made with the egg donor by himself or with a nanny or with his parents or other family. The only way he'd be able to get a woman to help raise it is if he were alpha enough that the woman wanted to be with him, but the reason women want to be with alpha men is to mix their sperm with their eggs, so if they weren't doing that then he'd have trouble finding such a woman.

The WM in this scenario is likely to be a beta male since he pursues an AF, and he would likely have trouble getting a woman to raise a child that isn't hers biologically. Even if he were an alpha, he'd have trouble doing this since an alpha by definition is a man whose sperm women want to mix with their eggs.

I could see this kind of thing happening but it'll likely involve a man who has his own kid and raises it himself or with the help of a nanny and or family. Just as some beta and omega males today pay escorts for sex, those who want kids will pay egg donors and pay for nanny/childcare services (or raise it themselves or with family) while at the same time paying escorts for temporary sex and female companionship by the hour, since women generally won't stick around raising another woman's kid. Or they will be gay or asexual and still want kids. You already see something similar with gay men who have kids with an egg donor and raise it themselves.

Mulattoes don't have to be better than every single white person. In terms of mating, they would just have to be better than at least one white or black person.

It's like Obama's father. He didn't have to be better than every single white male to marry Obama's mother. He obviously wasn't better than every single white male. He just had to be better than at least one white male. Otherwise, his wife would've gone with that white male.

"Using white egg donors in WM-AF pairings reduces concerns about putting your children at a social/dating disadvantage while adding more white people to the American population and in the least morally objectionable way possible (It's no morally different than a WM-AF couple adopting a fully white kid) because doing so retains freedom of mating choice without worrying about the social downsides of your descendents inheriting Asian traits."

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Good luck marrying an person self-loathing enough to voluntarily remove their "traits" from the gene pool.

" If a white man were a crappy speaker, then he would not be giving a big speech in front of the Republican Convention."

Unless his last name was Romney. Or Christie. Or Santorum.

"Good luck marrying an person self-loathing enough to voluntarily remove their "traits" from the gene pool."

A good example is Michael Jackson who made sure all 3 of his kids were created using non-black sperm and eggs, while publicly claiming to be the biological father of all 3 and even claiming the youngest had a black mother too.

But then Jackson also used cosmetic surgery to remove his black traits and skin bleaching to remove his black color.

http://www.amren.com/news/2012/08/paul-ryans-college-sweetheart-speaks-out-for-the-first-time-about-the-relationship-that-opened-his-eyes-to-racism/

Amren has a good article and pics of VP candidate Paul Ryan's black college girlfriend, Deneeta Pope.


"Pope, an I.T. specialist and realtor living in Chicago, denies that they experienced any racism as a couple.

Ryan -‘I just experienced some ugly comments, some racist views from people who I thought were friends of mine.’

Pope says they experience no racism. Ryan says he experienced racist views. Sounds like Ryan might be pandering and making things up.

Pope seems to have done quite well financially for someone in her early 40s, and in the private sector. She doesn't seem to be an affirmative action do-nothing or sucking off a government job. She went to a real college, got a Marketing/MIS degree (well, ok), worked at PWC (probably as an MIS "consultant"), and now runs her own seemingly successful business. Strong looking trapezius muscles too. Maybe, Pope would be the better VP candidate.

"In this case the WM would be mating with the white egg, not with the AF. The AF would not really be his mate but just his companion.

This in general wouldn't work because people mate to pass on their genes, and the AF wouldn't be able to pass on her genes. Most AFs in this scenario would leave the WM and seek another mate or a sperm donation to mix her egg with it to do the same thing the WM is doing."

Sure it would work.

First of all, women of all races aren't as deterred to using egg donors because egg donation carries much less of a "cuckolding" stigma that using a sperm donor does for men.

Additionally, women - especially foreign women who are trying to endear themselves to native men with higher SMV - can be pressured to "fit in" with culture of the native population. If this social pressure included insisting Asian women use a white egg donor in their WM-AF relationship, then they would largely give in to the social pressure in order to gain social status.

Asian women are willing to date even the lowest status white men over their own Asian men because Asian men have such low social status, even compared to white Omega males.

If they are willing to date lower status white men in order to fit in socially, why wouldn't they also be willing to use a white egg donor?

There have probably been cases where an infertile WM-AF couple used a white egg donor to produce all white offspring, and my suggestion of using white egg donors routinely in mixed Asian-White relationships would not be any morally different than an infertile WM-AF couple using IVF.

Also, the alternatives to not using an egg donor, such as barring interracial marriage completely and reducing Asian women's legal status to a secondary level, would be much less appealing to Asian women immigrants. Egg donation is a much gentler way to deal with interracial relationships than any other.

"Most AFs in this scenario would leave the WM and seek another mate or a sperm donation to mix her egg with it to do the same thing the WM is doing."

No, because AFs have lower SMV and fewer options than white women. Therefore they'd likely tolerate using a white egg donor.

Afterall, if many Asian women can tolerate marrying white Omegas and lower Betas, then there's no reason why white egg donations can't become the norm in WM-AF pairings.

Also, I don't see how routine usage of white egg donors in WM-AF couplings is more strange than seeing younger men getting into LTRs with older women or tolerating wives becoming obese or.

I could also see Latin American nations making widespread use of IVF/Egg Donation to try and Europeanize their populations.

"No, it's not "overly broad". Per Murray gentile white STDEV in America and individual European nations is consistently tested to come out as 16.66. Note also, the NE Asian IQ STDEV is also 16.66.

Since Jewish IQ STDEV is 13, this indicates the gentile variance has been affected by the fact the gentile white labor force has needed a broader lower class workforce than the more niche oriented Jewish workforce."

I think you're over interpreting the data. Most of the ethnic/racial differences in STDEV are probably just sampling error; blacks for example have a tiny STDEV in the WAIS-III norming but a huge STDEV in the WISC-III norming. It's just statistical noise and varies based on the type of test used and the people sampled.


It's much harder to measure a population's STDEV than it is to measure it's mean. To get a good estimate of the mean, you can just sample people from the average social class for a particular race, but to measure the STDEV you have to also make sure the EXTREMES get correct proportional representation, and few if any studies put in that kind of effort.

Given the low quality of the data, I follow occam's razor and just assume all races/ethnicities have an STDEV of 15.

It makes little sense to imply that Jews have a SMALL STDEV. If anything their STDEV should be larger to explain all the Jewish billionaires and Nobel prize winners. If Jews had a small STDEV, we would expect Jewish representation to start to decrease at the highest levels of intelligence but many of the greatest minds in history were Jewish (Einstein, Jon Von Newman etc)

Also the IQ enhancing genetic mutations in Jews should also elevate their STDEV.

"Northern Europeans lack these genes"

RS,

If you're referring to the Moorjani paper from last year, Dienekes has just posted yet another detailed illustration of the unreliability of its method of estimating African admixture in Southern European, Jewish or Arab population based on the fact that it ignores the distorting effect of Northeast Asian admixture in Northern Europeans, who were used as the reference group. There probably is very low-level African admixture in Southern Europeans and Jews, but the Moorjani method overestimates it.

As for African admixture in Northern Europe, Dienekes does find it at trace levels. Remember that the Roman Empire held territory as far north as England and that Roman legions stationed there included troops from Mediterranean North Africa and the Middle East as well as Southern Europe. In addition, the prehistoric Neolithic demic diffusion did have some effect on Northern Europe, although likely much less than in the South. Those population movements would likely have introduced a very dilute quantity of African genes into Northern Europe. Since the percentage of admixture is likely minute, increased sampling coverage of the genome and wider sampling of Northern European populations will be required to confirm its existence. But it's premature to declare that Northern Europeans entirely lack African admixture as you did.

Relevant links:

http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2012/08/scrubbing-sardinians.html

http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2011/04/sub-saharan-admixture-in-west-eurasian.html

"Harvard is lying.

Non-AA top 10% magna cum laude graduates of HLS must have minimum IQs of 140 if they are capable of outhustling the other 90% of HLS students they are competing against.

There's no way Obama has an IQ of >=140."

I don't think he's above 140, but I do think he's above 130.

The problem is people think of Obama as a mulatto American, but they should really think of him as an Indian American. I say this because India has a genotypic IQ very similar to the genotypic IQ of mulattoes (in south Africa Indians score 3 IQ points above Coloureds and both groups are probably reared in similar environments there)

And yet we would never question whether an Indian American like boby jindal who did well in school and life could have an IQ above 130, because everyone knows that Indian Americans represent a highly selected immigrant elite.

Well Obama is also the child of a highly selected immigrant (and a high education mother) and his mulatto race gives him about the same genetic IQ as Indians, so instead of thinking of him as a mulatto, think of him as an Indian American and a high IQ sounds more plausible.

On the other hand as a mulatto Obama benefited from affirmative action. Harvard might have boosted his grades because it would look bad for the first African American editor of harvard law review to be flunking his classes. It would also damage the prestige of the law review.

It's also possible that Obama payed someone to write his law exams for him. If he got bill ayers to write his book (as many people very logically believe),why not pay someone to write his exam?


"Good luck marrying an person self-loathing enough to voluntarily remove their "traits" from the gene pool."

Uh, lots of women experience infertility and they can only get what they can get in terms of donor eggs, none of which would have "their" traits unless the donor were a close relative.

Regarding IVF, there is the cheaper and less painful embryo adoption of the leftover embryos that some other couple didn't want.

http://embryocenter.rtrk.com/

@not too late

Couples seeking fertility treatments are not voluntarily infertile. If they could pass on their own genes, they would.

"A good example is Michael Jackson who made sure all 3 of his kids were created using non-black sperm and eggs, while publicly claiming to be the biological father of all 3 and even claiming the youngest had a black mother too."
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Yes, you can always find a handful of blacks who would erase their features from their offspring. However, I think it's mistaken to confuse the Asian women who might go for IVF with the typical black female.

As studies that I don't have the energy to dig up recognize, blacks have the most self-esteem of any racial group in the US while Asians have the lowest. If you just listen to blacks talk, you understand that they just don't seem to recognize that their physical features are bad for a kid. The idea just doesn't compute in their brain.

When blacks do recognize that society frowns upon black physical features, they just go into some sort of glorified story of how having black skin will make the kid "strong" and teach him to face "adversity." While whites tend to want to remove barriers for their children, blacks have no problem throwing their kids to the wolves in order to perpetuate the "black struggle."

Take the example of Obama's life in Indonesia. People often talk about how he was picked on for his darker skin color by the Indonesian children. However, whenever a black person comments on that story, they will never express the idea that Obama's skin color was a liability. Instead, they'll talk about how being bullied must've taught him to remain calm and collected, as he is now.

So while more blacks are open to having mixed babies because they see the value of lighter skin, they just don't generally understand that black traits are undesirable altogether. They're still duped into thinking that they too have desirable genetic traits to offer this pairing. Basically, when you have a group that is this dumb and delusional, the idea that you're ever going to shame them out of existence is unrealistic.

"Asian women are willing to date even the lowest status white men over their own Asian men because Asian men have such low social status, even compared to white Omega males".

Most Asian men are on the same level as lower White betas and omegas. What amazes me is than NAM guys are perceived with higher status than Asian men despite being less successful.

JS,

Socially, NAMs are more successful, on average. They have strong social groups and form very tight bonds. There should be more discussion here about social skills. The fact that so many here pretty much dismiss them is alarming.

Learning to have a thriving social life is such a crucial aspect of human existence. It's not that hard, either.

Most blacks genuinely like black physical features while recognizing American society doesn't. It's not delusion so much as choosing not to subordinate their own race.

"They have strong social groups and form very tight bonds. There should be more discussion here about social skills. The fact that so many here pretty much dismiss them is alarming."

Are you high? What social society other than the NAACP or other shakedown grievance groups have they founded without whites providing guidance and help? Oh puhleeze!!! They need welfare from whites because they build their own social networks? As if. Their social skills consist in intimidation at most. They are not highly cooperative. Sheesh they struggle just to get married or stay married, the bare minimum of social function.

Between social groups, NAMs are not cooperative, but within social groups, they are. Having a social network doesn't mean the social group does productive things, or that the members will somehow have higher IQs and time-orientation---which dispels your counter about welfare and whatnot.

"Most Asian men are on the same level as lower White betas and omegas."

No, they're lower than Omegas from the point of view of Asian women because even Omega white men have an easier time picking up Asian women than Asian men.


"No, they're lower than Omegas from the point of view of Asian women because even Omega white men have an easier time picking up Asian women than Asian men".

Upper Beta Asian men (the majority of them) are competing with Omega White men for Asian women. These are the guys with the Ivy League or top tier college degrees and a well paying job; but their status from the point of view of Asian women is same as a White loser who doesn't have anything to show for.

"Socially, NAMs are more successful, on average. They have strong social groups and form very tight bonds. There should be more discussion here about social skills. The fact that so many here pretty much dismiss them is alarming. "

LOL

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