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August 06, 2012

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You forgot to mention the his and hers wedding rings. I bet his proposal got shot down.

You've got to be a real loser to play in a band and not have women interested in you. It doesn't even need to be a famous band at all. A good friend of mine (married forever) is a musician and would always have girls coming on to him when he played in bands. Granted, maybe it's different in "white power" circles, I have no idea.

Speaking of Dwight Schrute and beta male rage, be sure to see the movie Super starring the actor who plays that character, Rainn Wilson: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1512235/ Similar idea as Kick-Ass, but much darker, more serious, and more brutal. No spoilers, but I think you'll find it worth watching, and perhaps grist for a post or two.

Lot of slutty underwear added to that list in April. And I'd imagine some of these games are for the kid of the girlfriend, although COD 2 was added 2 years ago.

I wonder why he picked on Sikhs. Could he really be stupid enough to mistake them for Muslims?

Wedding band added in February BTW

Nice glasses. But that looks like an old pic. There are newer pictures of him with a shaved head and the worst gd goatee I've ever seen. I was going to say he might look better with a beard or something but... nope.

I'll also add that he looks stranger in the newer pictures, too. That boy couldn't find p**** in a litterbox.

He doesn't look that hideous. Chances are the very short hair and the clunky glasses make him look a lot worse than he did. Even with the hair and glasses, if you took away the swastika flag he could pass as a hipster.

Given Page's work in military psych ops it's very unlikely that he wouldn't have known the difference between Sikhs and Muslims. I would doubt that the temple was a target of opportunity; he lived 13 miles away, there probably are mosques that are closer.

He was assigned to psychological operations associated with a special operations unit.

Page rose to the rank of sergeant while in the Army, but was given a dishonorable discharge in 1998 and reduced in rank to a specialist for acts of misconduct. U.S. officials told NBC News the misconduct was connected to a drinking problem.

Page served in the Army from April 1992 through October 1998 (so from 20 to 26 years old).

I would suggest he had a problem controlling emotions like anxiety and rage and used to drink to try to control them (not a good idea in the long term). The band and extremists politics were used to justify and vent his rage against others. He, probably, needed something justifying and channeling his rage against some targets.

Real Nazists have sometimes "warm" relations with Muslims Extremists (they are so similar and have common roots) so he probably knew Sikhs are not Muslims.

If Nazi ideology have something to do with the targets choice, it is probably the economic success of Sikhs the reason of his rage against them and his reason to kill them in their spiritual center.

He, a failed man, vented his rage against a successful community of foreigners striving to conduct an exemplary life. Probably the girlfriend dumping him was the last straw breaking his will to live. He went there to kill and be killed.

He has a good thick neck. Why couldn't he be a tough guy (skinhead)?

There is no reason a Neo-Nazi skinhead should be hostile to Sikhs.

Thousands of Indian soldiers who had joined Britain in the fight against fascism swapped their oaths to the British king for others to Adolf Hitler.and joined Himmler's Waffen SS

These are the words that were used by men that had formally sworn an oath to the British king: "I swear by God this holy oath that I will obey the leader of the German race and state, Adolf Hitler, as the commander of the German armed forces in the fight for India, whose leader is Subhas Chandra Bose."

There were Muslims, Christians, Sikhs, Hindus, Jains,and Buddhists among others in the Indian National Army.

"While in the Army Wade served in Ft. Bliss in Texas and at Ft. Bragg in North Carolina. Wade's job was as a Hawk missile system repairman, and he then became a psychological operations specialist, a defense official confirmed to ABC news. "

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wisconsin-temple-gunman-wade-page-joined-volksfront-hate/story?id=16937739#.UCBSdI783Q8

A Hawk missile system repairmen and psych opps specialist? Like someone said, I doubt that he was dumb enough to mistake Sikhs for Muslims. He probably just wanted to go after nonwhites.

Sig, I think you're right (not just with this incident) that beta male rage is a problem. But are you just trying to be a contrarian with the whole race thing? The guy being in skinhead circles and him choosing to shoot up a bunch of brown people are not unrelated. Do you have some special information that we don't? In American Nazi circles there is a lot of rhetoric against the "third world invasion".

The question "did he mistake them for muslims?" is irrelevant. Brown is brown and white is white and we can guess what he thought was right. Also, in your previous posts you mentioned you didn't think was "domestic terrorism" . What do you think is domestic terrorism? What constitute DT?

I thought he might have done it because his name is Wage Page - but it's actually Wade.

Mistaking sikhs for muslims... ...that is what Aaron Paul (breaking bad) does in the first episode of "Sleeper Cell" (which happens to be about muslim terrorism)

I don't know if Sig is joking about the "looks" like a neo nazi comment or not.

This might help him.

http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2012/08/dear-the-media

Also, the commentary here on beta male rage and looks is comical. I'm sure if we took a snap shot of every commentator's faces here we wouldn't exactly be looking at propsects for next month's GQ.

"some Pixar Cars themed stuff (for his girlfriend’s kid?)"

They could easily be for him.

"Super" was a great movie.

His inability to figure out Sikh <> Muslim seems to indicate beta male rage.

His time in army psy ops is interesting.

He has the 3 most popular games in his wishlist, big deal. Those are insanely mainstream and don't help with his characterization at all.

I sold one of those games on craigslist, you know who picked it up? Some young white guy with a BMW and a suit.

I'm wondering why he didn't stock up on guns-n-ammo, conduct surveillance, and then go for a high score. I guess poor planning is one of the defining characteristics of "beta-male rage" shooters.

"I'm sure if we took a snap shot of every commentator's faces here we wouldn't exactly be looking at propsects for next month's GQ."

Peter's comment above is on-target, and illustrates how looks qua looks aren't as important for men as they are for women. Give this guy a trendier pair of glasses, fashionable clothes, and some confidence, and he'd throw off an entirely different vibe. He'd look like he might be an up-and-coming novelist, or the founder of some tech startup.

This is actually a good image of him. The ones that I have seen of him in the media is cookie cutter white neonazi. I googled some more images of him and a lot of it is very unflattering.

I really really doubt he was ever confused as to Sikhs being muslims. The sign on the temple says, Sikh Temple, and is really unmistaking. He probably just really wanted to kill some brown people and end his life in the process.

I'm in agreement that his girlfriend dumping him was probably what sent him over the edge.

"Also, the commentary here on beta male rage and looks is comical. I'm sure if we took a snap shot of every commentator's faces here we wouldn't exactly be looking at propsects for next month's GQ." - Kidd


Why do you think people are so fascinated by trials involving good looking criminals? It's not suppose to happen. At a gut level we knew they had the good life and they screwed it all up. The truth ain't pretty but crime is for average and ugly people.

Seriously bro Dwight K. Schrute is not a loser. He is AWESOME!

This "in the fight against fascism " rubbish should be stopped. It was a fight, quite specifically, against Nazi aggression and later against Japanese aggression. If Hitler had never arisen nobody would have bothered invading Italy in a "fight against fascism".

As for lunatic mass murderers in the USA, the ready availability of guns makes it easier to be a mass murderer, but understandably many people don't find that reason enough to amend the Constitution on the subject.

Conquistador,

Or more specifically good looking people don't committ "lashing out" or "desperation" crimes as much. When good looking people committ crimes its usually more grandiouse and exciting, in part because their good looks allow them to committ greater crimes (and also usually their charisma allows them to influence accomplices).

"As for lunatic mass murderers in the USA, the ready availability of guns makes it easier to be a mass murderer, but understandably many people don't find that reason enough to amend the Constitution on the subject."

The most successful (if one measures success in terms of body count) mass murderers in US history did not use guns. They used gasoline.

"This "in the fight against fascism " rubbish should be stopped. It was a fight, quite specifically, against Nazi aggression and later against Japanese aggression. If Hitler had never arisen nobody would have bothered invading Italy in a "fight against fascism"."

Well gee, was Nazi ideology completely unconnected to their aggression? No. Nazism glorified war and conquest, and it was no surprise that they launched a war of conquest in keeping with their ideology.

No surprise except to upper class British twits who thought Hitler couldn't possibly be serious about everything he wrote in Mein Kampf. Oops. Perhaps if they'd started a war on Fascism in 1933, instead of waiting for Fascism to start the war on them in 1939, they'd still have their Empire.

"As for lunatic mass murderers in the USA, the ready availability of guns makes it easier to be a mass murderer, but understandably many people don't find that reason enough to amend the Constitution on the subject.'

Let's see.

Mamoru Takuma killed 8 people with a knife.
Tomohiro Katō killed 4 people with a knife.
A Chinese teenager recently killed 8 people with a knife.

Yup, gun control really keeps those massacres in check.

If this is "beta male rage", the question is, with prospects dimming for so many White males at the lower end of the spectrum, how common will this behavior become?

Well, her certainly looks like he's from Wisconsin.

eggwhite,

Not common. Human beings are not evolutionary programmed to do so, and we have happiness substitutes that do a good enough job (sugar, alcohol, videogames).

To clarify a term I used, I think "beta male rage" is not the most accurate descriptor for what I think is a real phenomenon. Maybe "status setback rage" is more accurate, but it doesn't have the same ring to it.

A guy doesn't have to be a complete loser. But if he suffers a bunch of setbacks in life related to money, career, status, relationships and then goes off the handle and lashes out at people around him, most people will get what you mean when you say "beta male rage".

BTW, who are you guys who that are reading Sig's blog and getting butthurt over a term like "beta male rage"? You chose to speak up NOW?

@asdf
You are absolutely wrong. If you look at our ancestors or hunter-gatherers the level of violence is statistically much bigger you could ever encounter in modern western society.

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