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September 26, 2012

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"a large number of public school systems reward a bogus Master’s degree in Education with a salary increase or even require it to stay employed."


Key word here: require

If it is required to stay employed, you can write it off your taxes. That is especially sweet for chicks married to a guy making a lot. It is a way to shovel money to the uni.

"Getting a degree just because you enjoy school and not because you expect it to help your career"

This pretty much includes any PhD. =)

"While few things scream “PROLE!” louder than not having a college degree by the age of 25" - Half Sigma


Paul Janka (NYC PUA but that's irrelevant) completed his undergrad degree from Harvard at 26. What does that make him?

[HS: Becoming a PUA sounds kind of prolish to me.]

Some people have tried to ride out the recession by remaining students and getting graduate degrees. They probably represent a variety of classes.

"Becoming a PUA sounds kind of prolish to me."

i imagine janka might say to that: "if sex with many beautiful women is prole, i don't want to be upper middle class."

all in all i think it's very difficult to say whether specific things make one prole or middle class or gentry or elite or what.

it's a general way of life, and an overall judgement more than it is any outward symbols, achievements (or lack thereof), particular income level, et cetera.

it might be fun for some people (though i don't see how) to play the "w,x,y,z facts: therefore what class" game, but its really pointless because status is about how other people perceive you, not what you actually have or have done.

think george soros vs koch brothers. comparably wealthy, into the Billions, kochs by actual value creation, soros by banking and financial manipulation. yet soros is a hero and the kochs are scum. we all know why.

as i said on the other thread to the guy with the land in TN, if you want to increase your status in the eyes of the people at the top, just become vocally liberal and engage in more SWPL activities.

"Becoming a PUA sounds kind of prolish to me."

i imagine janka might say to that: "if sex with many beautiful women is prole, i don't want to be upper middle class."

Posted by: CH | September 26, 2012 at 10:56 AM
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PUA works well on prole and/or psychologically damaged women. Having sex with lots of these types of women often leads to headache. If you have a reputation to maintain, it can be difficult as you run into the women you've had flings with. Just having to deal with all that baggage is not worth the liaisons.

"Getting a degree just because you enjoy school and not because you expect it to help your career is an indicator that you’re higher than mere middle class and is also a marker of SWPLness".

Correct! Vocational studies are prolish. This would include business and law degrees from less stellar schools, which are not the tier 1 institutions. Business undergrads from elite schools, I wouldnt be able to point fingers at them and say what they are. I just dislike them wholeheartedly.

From what I've gathered, Paul Janka doesn't consider himself a PUA, just an average guy who likes to meet a lot of random women for sex.

"PUA works well on prole and/or psychologically damaged women."

are you speaking from experience or is this proof by assertion? because i can tell you that pua/game/learned charisma works very well on middle and upper class educated women who are psychologically sane.

"Having sex with lots of these types of women often leads to headache."

not if you do it right.

"If you have a reputation to maintain, it can be difficult as you run into the women you've had flings with."

women are more attracted to men who have a proven track record of winning the affections of women. this is called preselection, and scientists have studied it and proven it to be true.

"Just having to deal with all that baggage is not worth the liaisons."

you write like either a woman, or a (older) man with a very low sex drive. no offense, just a hunch based on your implicit misunderstanding of the happy sacrifice enduring baggage that most sexually functioning men will make to get some sweet lovin.

'this is called preselection, and scientists have studied it and proven it to be true.'

Where are your studies? I always see PUA-advocates talk about what science has proven without mentioning any study whatsoever. Please provide a link.

'because i can tell you that pua/game/learned charisma works very well on middle and upper class educated women who are psychologically sane.'

From anecdotal experience? Pua/game/learned charisma correlate most with (1) number of women talked too, and (2) one's physical attractiveness. Why? Because those two factors are what matter in getting laid.

Class-insecure, upper-middle class hellbent careerists and strivers are dynasts first and foremost and regularly capable of suppressing their male libidos in order to win and keep a well-bred wife who demands monogamy from her husband. Proles and the upper class are more willing to indulge their true carnal natures. Proles do so because they lack the means or foresight to secure a robust lineage. The upper class do it because their instinct bred from childhood is to exercise their unlimited power in order to fulfill their unlimited desires. There are exceptions of course but these are the general trends.

@CH: "...you write like either a woman, or a (older) man with a very low sex drive."

I don't consider myself "older" or low in sex drive, but tonight I opted to lay on the couch and watch the Red Sox rather than deal w/ some aggravation from a hot 20-something and that may or may not have led to some sex later tonight. Hhhmm, wonder what that means?

"PUA works well on prole and/or psychologically damaged women. Having sex with lots of these types of women often leads to headache. If you have a reputation to maintain, it can be difficult as you run into the women you've had flings with."

Lol, what is this, a little village in nineteenth century Ireland? It's a big world out there, man. Not every fling has the potential to damage your reputation.

"While few things scream “PROLE!” louder than not having a college degree by the age of 25, lack of a graduate degree doesn’t signal that much."

Wow, how insulting. So I'm a prole because I lack a college degree? Let me tell you, if it wasn't for my disabilities, I would already have one. My mental illnesses (asperger-like, schizoid personality disorder and depression), and my low IQ resulting in learning disabilities (Stanford Binet test: 68; I'm mentally retarded), I would already have a college degree.

(English is not my mother tongue, any mistakes are due to my low IQ/learning disabilities.)

Bye, I'm done with that blog. (Long live Mitchell Heisman, though!)

If you really have an IQ of 68, you could not comprehend anything that Mitchell Heisman said in his "Suicide Note".

I'm surprised you haven't remarked on that NYT article from yesterday about the culture of cheating at Stuyvesant, yet.

These days, graduate degrees often have a negative impact on class standing.

There are a few people with trust funds who go to grad school, but they represent a very small fraction of today's grad students. The rest are drawn from the middle class (and quite often from the lower middle class). Most grad students are strivers who think that more degrees will elevate their status. That's what gets them into trouble.

Those who hang on long enough to get PhDs have lost a huge chunk of their lives to school. That's time that they didn't spend marching up a career ladder or earning even a working-class-level income. They usually walk onto the job market in their 30s with no savings (but often a lot of debt) and no transferable work experience... so they naturally look for academic work.

If you're familiar with the academic job market, you know that competition for jobs is fierce, even for lousy jobs at terrible colleges in terrible places. Very ambitious people end up in these kinds of places all the time. Others never find permanent academic work. There is a large academic underclass of people with PhDs working in "adjunct" (i.e., temp) college teaching jobs who make far less money than public school teachers.

The "100 reasons NOT to go to grad school" blog covers all of this in agonizing detail:
http://100rsns.blogspot.com/

Of course, money is hardly the only important class marker. Aspiring academics will enthusiastically acknowledge that they're sacrificing earning-power to pursue the "life of the mind." They tend to believe that the sacrifice is worth it because they will occupy a high-status social position. However, when the "lucky" ones (who get academic jobs) are finally teaching at run-of-the-mill colleges, they discover that their status is not very high at all.

"......However, when the "lucky" ones (who get academic jobs) are finally teaching at run-of-the-mill colleges, they discover that their status is not very high at all".

Most people who are in academia know what they're getting into.

American capitalism is now a failure and won't be coming back anytime soon. Good luck with your MBAs and Law Degrees.

I'm upper middle and have a degree from a top grad / professional program. There were a few out-of-sights (old-ish money, family net worth of several billion) in the program, but they all dropped out before getting their degree. Sowing their oats or something. The program was quite competitive, and I suspect they could have done fine, but they were never going to be at the top (and it's not like they really needed the degree), so why bother?

"Most people who are in academia know what they're getting into."

You would think so, but it's shocking to see how many are clueless (or in denial).

Just found this site. But if anyone is reading...

Teaching and social work are the "non-elite" professions (semi-professions?) and they're the lowliest of master's degrees.

However they aren't prole in the way nursing is prole - which is roughly half BSN and half associate's degrees.

Also, the presence of Jews may say something, as a proxy for middle class. Jewish women do go into teaching and social work. They don't go into nursing.

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