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September 30, 2012

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The proles are a nuisance.

New Jersey considers "Snookiville Law."

http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/25/showbiz/snookiville-law/index.html

'Learn about game. I never write about “game,” but yet the theme shows up in the comments all of the time. One particular character on the show, Mike “The Situation” is a master of game.'

I disagree. Pauly D has the best social skills of the entire group, by far. Mike comes off as drama-seeking. Look at how attractive the girls Mike gets are in comparison to the girls Pauly D gets. Also, Pauly D---between the two of them---manages to get the interest of a fellow non-Snooki female cast member.

'This show made a group of low-IQ nobodies rich and famous, while the people doing the real high-IQ value creation work, the people behind the scenes, just got paid their regular salary or hourly wage and no doubt are still middle class.'

It's possible that these people are not as stupid as you think they are.
http://abovethelaw.com/2010/01/is-vinny-of-the-jersey-shore-smarter-than-you-are/

'c. Proles have casual sex and they often get so drunk that they throw up and black out.'

I'd wager that most college age kids---even ones who are bound for the upper middle class---engage in this type of activity.

Also, you forgot to mention the quintessential cultural meme of Jersey Shore: 'GTL.' Gym, Tan, Laundry.

Good post. It's been almost a year in the making but you finally got around to it. Jersey Shore season one will be remembered forever. Although no mention of Pauly's Israeli/Jewish girl stalker. Was she a prole? Do secular Jewish/Israeli proles exist?

"One of the differences between proles and the higher classes is that proles have to always be ready to do violence while the upper classes don’t have that attitude." - Half Sigma


Upper classes like to make snide little passive aggressive remarks instead. Although I wonder what happens in the schoolyard context. I'm sure bullying and fist fights occur even at private schools. Just look at the culture of hazing at elite fraternities.

"Do secular Jewish/Israeli proles exist?"

That was part of the Zionist plan, to normalize the Jews in their own country so that they would be part of all social strata including proles. Someone has to collect garbage, drive buses and work in factories there. Never mind that Ashkenazi Jewish immigrant proles were common in the US and UK in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. Three to four generations ago, the ancestors of nearly every American Jew were proles.

Of course, shows like Jersey Shore can only be enjoyed as examples of 'prole zoos' if one has had no prior exposure to the type.

Believe me, if you came from a prole background, and have clawed your way up the ladder, then being reminded of what you managed to leave behind is the very last thing you might consider 'entertainment'.

"Pauly D has the best social skills of the entire group, by far. Mike comes off as drama-seeking. Look at how attractive the girls Mike gets are in comparison to the girls Pauly D gets."


That has little to do with social skills. Pauly is the only Jersey Shore cast member who's 6ft tall. He also has a better face than Mike. These are genetic factors that separate them. Mike however is still the smarter, more entertaining, and more aggressive one. The show wouldn't have reached it's zenith without him. Mike's showmanship and demeanor made him a hit.

I wanted to watch it for the reasons you mention, but I couldn't make it through the first episode (which I think was two hours long). Isn't there one guy who is "authentically" Italian, but not a roided up Guido? He seemed somewat less brainless and more self-aware, and I would have liked to seen his interactions with the group. Then again, I don't think he was tan or muscled up, and never had an idiotic nickname, so his "career" went nowhere.

[HS: That was Vinny, and he was the only college graduate among the male guidos. He got more airtime towards the end of the season.]

Is "salt of the earth" necessarily inconsistent with "loud and boorish"?

"Proles like to get into fistfights. OK, I already knew that, but on the Jerse Shore you can see it happening. One of the differences between proles and the higher classes is that proles have to always be ready to do violence while the upper classes don’t have that attitude."

Definitely true, the lower the class the more aggressive and value their reputation for violence. This is a major reason why middle class people don't want to associate with lower classes - personal safety. To a far greater extent avoiding violence is the primary motivation for racism of the white flight or apartheid variety.

An interesting question is why are higher class people less violent? In most cultures high class was associated with war fare until after the industrial revolution.

I haven't read "A Return to Alms" but it argues that the industrial was spawned by middle class values being selected for through natural selection in England. The main problem I have with that is that many nations that industrialized later are no more violent than the United Kingdom.

I've seen Ronnie ("Come at me, bro!") in person before. He is the shortest guy, probably no more than 5'7".

He is definitely a steroid user. You can see he looks much smaller in one of the later seasons, when he goes off. I do not think any of the other cast members were users, however.

Trashy girls love juicers, as I have said.

Pauly D seemed like the most level-headed and intelligent cast member, even more so than Vinny. But then, they're all wealthy and famous, and we are just posting on this blog, so who really wins?

"Do secular Jewish/Israeli proles exist?"

Sure, there's even a name for Israeli proles: Arsim.

In America, there are very few secular Jewish proles since they have a strong tendency to assimilate into the far larger Christian prole subculture.

great review, HS. although i am not sure you learn about game from jersey shore.

"I'd wager that most college age kids---even ones who are bound for the upper middle class---engage in this type of activity."

No, they are much more refined than mere proles:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/27/fashion/for-college-students-social-media-tops-the-bar-scene.html?smid=tw-share

The first editor's not at the end of the article demonstrates one difference between Cornell students and the rest though: they were all smart enough, apparently to give the NYT reporters fake names.

I'm not sure this show teaches us much about so-called "proles". First off, only the most shocking behavior would make it on TV. So, they have chosen a particularly "interesting" group of people, not likely very representative. Secondly, whatever outlandish things they do are greatly exaggerated by the people behind the scenes for dramatic effect.

A lot of the appeal is to insecure viewers who need someone to feel superior to.

I met someone from New Jersey, someone who installed cable TV recently. He had moved down from NJ about a year ago. He didn't seem that idiotic to me. In fact, he was quite aware of political and union corruption in his old city. He said it took forever to get new homes built due to red tape. He said construction crews had little incentive to get things done. I suspect that has more to do with the boys and girls with liberal arts degrees.

It seems more likely that those who go into TV already have a deep animus towards those in "fly over" country and the majority of American citizens everywhere. They love portraying them as guidos, rednecks, hillbillies, thugs, etc. No doubt these subtypes exist, but it flatters the ego of the Insecure Elite to portray their countrymen as subhumans.

From what I've read/observed The Situation is probably gay. He seems harbor a lot repressed anger and misplaced aggression, and is more into the competition among guys for attaining women than he is into actual pussy. Dude, wtf?

In Whit Stillman's recent movie, a character laments the decline of homosexual culture, which was once "something refined, hidden, sublimated, aspiring to the highest forms of expression and often achieving them" but now "just seems to be a lot of musclebound morons running around in T-shirts."

If you substitute "guidos" for "morons," you get a queer convergence where the gays and the anti-gays become outwardly indistinguishable.

"In Whit Stillman's recent movie, a character laments the decline of homosexual culture, which was once "something refined, hidden, sublimated, aspiring to the highest forms of expression and often achieving them" but now "just seems to be a lot of musclebound morons running around in T-shirts."

For as long as homosexual has been an identity (latter half of the 19th century, came into being with the work of Karl Ulrichs), the ideal partner was masculine, muscular, attractive, young. In the 1890s, gay men would pass around photographs of the very well built Eugene Sandow, the father of bodybuilding.

"This show made a group of low-IQ nobodies rich and famous,"

Almost as low-IQ as the people who watch it.

"Do secular Jewish/Israeli proles exist?"

Roseanne Barr is Jewish and she built her whole comedy career and sitcom around her identity as a prole. She dropped out of high school, gave up a baby she had at 17, all her kids have dropped out of high school etc.

Snooki is not cute in the least. She's a little brown raisin with comically short limbs.

HS

I liked your mention of the producers and editors. My guess is that in the first year, the producers and editors had more control but that after Jersey Shore became a cultural phenomenon, the corporate execs stepped in and made changes that they thought would appeal to a broader demographics.

Jersey Shore is a good case study in how a show can jump the shark very quickly.

Simon says, "An interesting question is why are higher class people less violent? In most cultures high class was associated with war fare until after the industrial revolution."

Some speculations why class and violent behavior have a tendency to be inversely proportional:

- Higher classes tend to have higher IQs and tend to think about the consequences of their actions.

- Higher classes tend to have more to lose and are less willing to jeopardize all that they've accumulated.

- Lower classes tend to be raised in bad neighborhoods and develop a more primal violent-prone reaction towards threats.


Another thing I've noticed is guido/bro drift has infiltrated the lower classes throughout America during the past 5 years. It has become popular for guys to look like roided dudes who spike their short hair, grease their skins, over tan themselves, wear too small shirts, wear shades at night etc. It's bizarre seeing guys who would have been gansta thugs in the 1990s looking metrosexual.

HS, how about providing a NY perspective on this:

http://diehipster.wordpress.com/

The site is interesting anthropology although the relentless obscenities and bitterness in the comments are tedious.

They seem far more hostile to these weak,pasty weirdos than they would dare be toward any blacks or NAMS.

Roseanne Barr is Jewish and she built her whole comedy career and sitcom around her identity as a prole. She dropped out of high school, gave up a baby she had at 17, all her kids have dropped out of high school etc.

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Howard Stern has been Long Island's Jewish prole gift to the world for 25+ years.

Now he's a super-rich prole living in a mega-mansion in The Hamptons with his towering, low IQ shiksa/Aryan wife.

But still nothing more than a Jewish prole.

Cartman get Raped by Snooki - S. 14 - It's a jersey thing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IGAcp0kptA

C: "Pauly's Israeli/Jewish girl stalker. Was she a prole?"

We don't really know because most of her backstory was edited out to create the stalker storyline. By her (?) version of the story, she and Pauly had been seeing each other for a few weeks and he told her he wasn't talking to other girls. She followed him on the boardwalk because she thought (correctly) that he was lying to her. The T-shirt was in response to a bracelet he gave hert he day before that said "I {heart} Italian guys."

I'd like to see one of these "reality" shows where they do the normal editing for the one hour episides, but then all the raw footage is available online (possibly with a six month delay or something). Would be interesting.

I watched a little bit of the first episode of the first season. I think my biggest takeaway from the show is that I can now see why segregation is prevalent on the East Coast. I just can't imagine most of the characters mixing well with WASPs. It's one thing to read of the cultural differences that make different groups of people incompatible. It's another thing to witness it first hand. These guys are nothing like the Italian Americans where I live who pretty much assimilate and are inconspicuous.

"Believe me, if you came from a prole background, and have clawed your way up the ladder, then being reminded of what you managed to leave behind is the very last thing you might consider 'entertainment'."

Definitely. My wife grew up in south Jersey, in an Italian neighborhood (although she's not Italian). She watched five minutes of one episode and forced me to turn it off, saying "Those are the people I went to college to get away from."

I grew up in the most white-prole part of an East Coast city (a dying demographic in the wake of high levels of immigration): a child of prole parents.

I believe that I have a highly functioning form of Aspergers which gives me the ability to almost max-out scores on verbal and non-verbal reasoning tests, while only scoring average (52nd percentile on last test) on quant tests. I was sent to private school with upper class children, and a smattering of other gifted prole children - some guidos included.

I was a fighter coming from my neighborhood, albeit a reluctant one. Though, remember that the propensity toward physical violence isn't the most acute difference between proles and the middle/upper classes, although an important one, but the tendency toward mental/verbal violence amongst proles. The mental hostility toward peers, which becomes a game to prole boys, takes on new, more aggressive meaning for higher class children. I had to make a mental adjustment which took me through the second year of university to complete. The move from a specific worldview, and behavioral pattern, is difficult to complete as a child, and may have been more difficult for me due to the probable Aspergers.

Anyway, I can function amongst prole males, although I have a strong aversion to most, especially the 'bro' types, and I still end up fighting them to back them off of their tendency toward at-times unmitigated verbal violence. These are the guys that middle class kids have the sense to stay away from, but who I am forced to entertain due to childhood associations with a smarter prole friend. However, my best friend is a middle-upper class kid from my private high school (interesting to talk to, due to a flexible perspective).

I guess my point is that I understand the middle/upper class distaste for proles, but avoidance as a strategy to deal with them IS a social failure to adapt. Although, an understandable one. Case in point, my aforementioned middle upper class friend, and his little brother, are fascinated with prole culture and prole girls to the point that they married a couple of them (and cheat on their wives with them) and frequently engage in prole activities (some of which I enjoy, like camping). They went the other way, and instead of avoidance they are attempting to learn. I just duck out when they suggest going to the local prole bro-bar, and conveniently re-emerge as available when they want to do something more interesting. Because I am evolving the other way, most prole activities are counterproductive to me, as that was my baseline mentality for so long. When they disengage from the prole matrix, they bounce back to their default state as middle-upper class denizens. Class is a state of mind/perspective/pattern of behavior, and not a financial situation.

I'm currently between two worlds, taking pride in my progress toward a state of mind that will confer advantages to my children and lead them around so many disadvantageous modes of thinking and behavior. It's a tough road, though. The mental class ladder isn't easy to climb, starting from the (white) bottom. The minority bottom is a hopeless abyss.

****Is "salt of the earth" necessarily inconsistent with "loud and boorish"?****

Great question. I'm popping in (as a fervent "salt-of-the-earth" meme devotee) to say thank you, Sigma, for at least taking the issue seriously in this post. As an intelligent, sometimes cultured person, I would never claim that proles live properly or are exemplary people in every way. What I do argue is that whatever their faults, they have some redeeming qualities - particularly their lack of snobbery and their team loyalty - that make them more pleasant to be around than narcissistic upper-middle-class strivers.

I further claim that if you really think *all* proles live Jersey Shore lifestyles, you're out to lunch. Heck, you think that *teachers* are borderline prole!

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