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October 21, 2012

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Standardized school tests almost never give you the standard deviation or percentile, probably because they don't want complaints by parents. It's pretty annoying.

"The second thing going on is that tests given to younger children are much more susceptible to coaching because they cover a much narrower range of cognitive abilities. We see this with the Head Start program, which increases test scores for the young children who are in the program, but their scores eventually sink back to their genetic potential as they get older and the tests cover a broader range of cognitive abilities"

How does this show young kids are more coachable? The scores could have sunk because the extra coaching stopped, not because the kids got too old to coach.

Or maybe they just had an anomalously bad when they took the test in grade 6.

HS, it is well known and accepted in the world of psychology that the heritability of IQ increases with age. Put another way, the percentage of your IQ which is the result of genetics increases with age.

Good points. Though, based on the mother's intelligence, as evinced by her writing skills in the Times essay, i'm confident that the twins are fairly intelligent. The parents shouldn't worry.

Wouldn't the fact that the identical twins having reared apart and still achieving similar test scores prove that its more nature than nurture? Hence IQ is largely inherited with minimal environmental influence?

"Identical twins have identical genetic potential, when they are raised in the same environment they will get very similar test scores."

"In fact, even identical twins reared apart get very similar test scores."

These two statements are contradictory. It seems that identical twins having identical genetic potential will achieve similar aptitude regardless of environmental influence if being together or apart doesn't change the results.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303552104577436333754014866.html

This study of 137 pairs of star-crossed twins prove that IQ is largely inherited.

[HS: Yes, IQ is mostly genetic, but tests given to younger children are more susceptible to score-improvement because of better prepration and familiarity with the types of questions.]

OT: Heart attacks during marathons.


Marathons are notorious for causing cardiac problems as they put such great physical strain on the body.

Now scientists have pinpointed who is most at risk from having a heart attack and when during the race they are most likely to fall ill.
A study presented at the American Academy of Family Physicians found that men are significantly more at risk of cardiac arrest, particularly those aged 49.
And the last three miles of the race are by far the most dangerous.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2221318/Thinking-running-marathon-Men-aged-49-likely-suffer-heart-attack-race.html#ixzz2A26IQcgi

How strongly does this test correlate with IQ?

[HS: Reading comprehension tests have a very high correlation with g.]

These twin girls most likely are Jewish.

I fail to see a direct relationship between the contents of the article's content and human biodiversity. Genetic potential between individuals or between individuals and a group is not biodiversity. Like evolution and speciation, biodiversity must encompass comparisons between populations.

Also drops in a standard deviation are unusual for children as old as this on tests with high internal reliability, such as IQ tests. It is possible this test has only moderate or low internal reliability.

OT: Shocker - MSM is actually totally cool with a "pay gap" as long as its victims can be labeled "nerds."

http://twitter.com/ezraklein/status/260396751037546496

GPAs and the like drop a lot in middle school. 6th grade is part of middle school in some places and the cultural shock can be big. Maybe these twins are more interested in attractive boys than studying? Also middle schools cover bigger areas than elementary schools so bad peer influences enter a kid's life.

@Skitter-

HBD is still at the stage of trying to convince people that individual variation exists. Groups will come later.

Shocker: 1) Writer is a middle-school teacher and 2) She believes her middle-school daughters' teachers have nothing to do with the lower test scores.

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