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October 23, 2012

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Sailer had a piece the other day giving the total LGBT as 3.4%. He's a numbers guy, so I would trust him more. Where does the difference come from?

Lesbians!
http://www.comics.chickennation.com/archive/0025/

(why can't we use HTML tags in the comments, HS?)

1 in 10 females are bisexual or lesbian? Doubtful there.

So hold on here. Let's say that the increase in non-hetero identification is indeed due to the advocacy campaigns, such that more individuals are coming out of the closet. Would you prefer that they remain in the closet instead?

In any case, this follows similar patterns of an increase girls identifying as bisexual. Perhaps I will make that post after all...

Among white women it is trendy to say your are bisexual. In their minds, it makes them more interesting, complex and unique.

Actress Anna Paquin "came out" as bisexual a year or so ago even though she is banging one of her male co-stars.

A decade ago, Ellen DeGeneres' girlfriend - forgot her name but she was an actress - was caught banging guys on the side.

The one lesbian couple I know well recently divorced as the femme one was banging guys on the side.

True lesbians are Ellen Degeneres, Billy Jean King, Martina Navratilova, Janet Napolitano ...etc.

Silly college girls who have engaged in a threesome or grind with other women on the dance floor when drunk are not LGBT.

And those numbers don't even include those who are gay and don't know it yet.

"8.6% of white women and 9.6% of black women, between the ages of 18 and 29, claim to be in the LBGT category."

HS, you're being selective here with the data. The media is not increasing the share of the population that is gay and lesbian and "other". Studies have consistently found that women, particularly young women, have more fluid sexualities than do men. "Experimental lesbianism" is a real thing, and suggests that what the media campaign is doing is making it cool for chick co-eds, who have been kissing a girl since the dawn of time, to announce it proud and loud. Most of those temporary lezzies will fall back in the hetero fold.

The population share of gay men is as low as it has ever been: somewhere in the neighborhood of 1-4%, depending on country.

The media is not *creating* a new desire; the media is *amplifying* an already existing desire -- in this case, straight young female lesbian experimentation -- until it is a status symbol worthy of wearing on one's sleeve.

Why can't it be called the GBLT community? BLTs are such a great sandwich

We're all bisexual according to Kinsey, but just at varying degrees.

LGBT includes B.

Somewhat off topic: Are there any studies of how representative people are who will 1.)answer the phone and 2.) answer questions involving politics or issues like this one on a phone call with a machine or stranger?

There's a poll that asked Americans what percentage of the population is gay. The people polled said about 25%. The media has warped people's perceptions:

"U.S. Adults Estimate That 25% of Americans Are Gay or Lesbian
Those with lower incomes, the less educated, women, and young people give the highest estimates"

Those groups watch more TV *and* "gayer" channels like Bravo, MTV, E!
http://www.gallup.com/poll/147824/adults-estimate-americans-gay-lesbian.aspx

Female sexuality is very fluid. A huge number of women, probably a majority, could honestly call themselves bisexual if they choose to do so. Whether or not that happens is a product of the social environment.

They must be in college still. Most of the lesbians or bisexual women I went to college with continued dating men after college. For the most part, lesbianism is learned behavior, and women who are attractive or not completely mental (a lesbians have mental illnesses that are as disfiguring as being ugly) drop it as soon as they meet a good man.

It's common for younger women to have sexual fantasies about higher status females (more attractive women in their clique). Female sexuality is wild until subdued by an alpha type male.

"Would you prefer that they remain in the closet instead?" - Jay

Yes. The west is reverting back to it's pagan identity where sexual debauchery and meanness rule the day a la Caligula.

Waaay way way more men are gay or bisexual than most people think.

I had my eyes opened to this fact a few years ago when I joined an adult hookup website a few years back.

You would be amazed how many messages I got from guys who on their profiles identified as hetero who were offering me blowjobs.

When I quizzed them the reply I usually got was "I am straight but I like sucking cock", go figure.

@CH - it's usually 1% to 2% among adult men. This poll found white men 18-64 to be approx. 3.5% gay. That is a huge increase. I don't know what it is attributable to, propaganda, as HS says, or just people being more honest, or the fact that for the lower 50%, everything seems to be crumbling and why have a family?

It will be interesting to see what happens 20 years down the line.

You've got the bi category in there. Women are more likely to be that way.

Has the white male % homo gone up so much. I think I read 20 y ago it was 3%. (Not the 10% BS of Kinsey)

One thing is for sure, HS is gay for Romney.

Propaganda/advertising depicting the targets as cool and/or handsome has always been the most efficient. This is the "dirty secret" of public policy, marketing and political theory.

With these tactics, you can actually peddle whatever ideology you want as long as you have control over a mass media.

Philippe Henriot, Minister of Propaganda in Occupied France during WWII, managed to convince brilliantly the French (over 95% success rate) that Resistance fighters were stupid, wicked, evil or ugly by carefully selecting images and footage extracts before publication.

"Pour convaincre, il n'hésita pas à se rendre en Haute-Savoie pour interviewer des maquisards qu'on venait d'y capturer et les présenter comme stupides, méchants et remplis de haine. À en croire le préfet du Vaucluse, cette propagande aurait eu de l'effet : si deux mois plus tôt, les gens avaient été massivement du côté de la Résistance, Henriot avait réussi à les faire changer d'avis."

Source: French Wikipedia

So it's not much surprising to witness homosexuality becoming a norm after having been a mental illness in the DSM manual and a crime in most jurisdictions for a very long time.

"With these tactics, you can actually peddle whatever ideology you want as long as you have control over a mass media."

Crazy, bro.

I put my TV on the curb with a 'free' sign on it because gay characters were ruining all the shows. One or two here or there is 'arty' but the when they are everywhere it is like some wierd funhouse mirror world, and I'd hate to lose my bearings.

If you aren't paying attention, you could get drunk and experiment and forget its not normal and its not you, and the next thing you know there is a dude with his cock in your ass. I'd need to cut my own head off if that happened.

"After being bombarded with images from TV series and movies showing cool homosexual characters, the result is a massive increase..." -- HS

Benjamin Shapiro wrote a book called "Primetime Propaganda" in which he discusses how the MSM manipulates the audiences' values, etc. He put audio clips from a couple dozen interviews on Youtube. A lot of bigwigs openly admitted to doing what the rest of us suspect. All the videos are worth watching but this is the one about gays.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mUVp5qq3SU

You might be able to show a correlation between consumption of mass media and sexual deviancy (LGBT self-identification).

The chart doesn't show that. It does show that NAM males exhibit greater sexual deviancy.

"Waaay way way more men are gay or bisexual than most people think."

It's a little known fact, but absolutely true. Glad you posted it.

The number of men who have experimented with homosexual acts at some point in their lives is vastly higher than 3 or 4%. Trust me.

This article applies to blacks but similar stories can be told about men of other races:
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/08/03/magazine/double-lives-on-the-down-low.html?pagewanted=all

There are lots of heterosexually-married men who are secretly into men.

"You might be able to show a correlation between consumption of mass media and sexual deviancy (LGBT self-identification).

The chart doesn't show that. It does show that NAM males exhibit greater sexual deviancy."

As a matter of fact NAMs consume waaay more TV than everyone else and they are way likely to be gay wouldncha know.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2001098/Black-minority-children-watch-50-cent-TV-day-whites-90-sets-bedrooms--study-finds.html

http://web5.soc.northwestern.edu/cmhd/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/SOCconfReportSingleFinal-1.pdf

"I put my TV on the curb with a 'free' sign on it because gay characters were ruining all the shows. One or two here or there is 'arty' but the when they are everywhere it is like some wierd funhouse mirror world, and I'd hate to lose my bearings."

It's true. I don't watch TV but I got this off of a conservative Brit commenter's blog:

"Despite consistent public opposition, there is a growing sense of inevitability about gay marriage. And Hollywood should take credit, for beneath the political radar it has affected a cultural revolution. Turn on the TV in America and you are bombarded with images of homosexuality as a social norm. Shows that showcase gay characters include American Horror Story, 30 Rock, Modern Family, Being Human, Game of Thrones (yes, really), Broadwalk Empire, Law and Order, Downton Abbey and Southland. A significant number of these (including Glee, Vampire Diaries, Teen Wolf) are aimed at teenagers. Even the comic Archie featured a homosexual union in its latest edition."

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/timstanley/100141078/hollywoods-cultural-revolution-is-making-gay-marriage-inevitable/

"There are lots of heterosexually-married men who are secretly into men."

Really? Or are they bored, stressed out, and need a quick, cheap one-off with no strings?

Gay men may not commit to one another, but once you are out of the closet, you can't go back in. That is a lifelong commitment.

Another observation about this supposed huge number of heterosexual white married men on the down low: why is the AIDS epidemic still essentially made up of MSMs (Men who have sex with men) and blacks/Hispanics? If there were so many white guys secretly making it with other guys the AIDs epidemic would long since have broken into the white mainstream population.

At least a tenth of women are also irreparably ugly to the point of finding it impossible to attract a mate even to impregnate her.

There is a strong degree of overlap with this group and the percentage of women who identify as lesbian and bisexual, probably due to masculinizing genes, uterine hormone exposure, or both.

Also, there is the common phenomenon of 'hasbiens' women who have lived as lesbians for whatever reason who then date and screw men.

Nearly every lesbian who is at least a 5+ on the attractiveness scale has been and will again be fucked by a guy.

"You would be amazed how many messages I got from guys who on their profiles identified as hetero who were offering me blowjobs." -- Jake

They weren't heteros. They were homos trolling the site looking for hook ups. They figure if they ask 100 then 2 might say "yes". A small number of people can look like a lot when they're messaging hundreds of people apiece.

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"The number of men who have experimented with homosexual acts at some point in their lives is vastly higher than 3 or 4%. Trust me." -- Allerious

Why should we trust your senses more than our own? Do you have personal experience? If so, then, I would suggest you suffer from confirmatory bias. Whenever one is around you're gaydar goes off. And since you likely hang around venues with lots of homos your gaydar is going off a lot. But, for the rest of us, the 1 in 30 figure seems about right.

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Militant homos have been exaggerating their numbers for close to 20 years. There's not that many. Most homos keep it to themselves. But there's a small percentage who think it's their responsibility to shove it in everyone's face. They're not doing the rest a favor by politicizing it.

Seems to be relatively steady for males, but females seem less hardwired according to Peter Frost's recent analysis of the last 100 or so year:

“Why not? It will leave more women for the rest of us.” I remember hearing that argument for gay rights while in high school, the assumption being that gays greatly outnumbered lesbians. There was some exaggeration in both directions. Gays have never made up 10% of all males and lesbians have never made up only 1% of all females. Even so, the former seemed to outnumber the latter. Back then.


Today, the tables have turned. If we look at General Social Survey data (2010) from the United States (analysis by Jason Malloy), the proportion of gay or bisexual men has held steady at 5 to 6%, although there seems to have been a decline among men born since 1980. Meanwhile, the proportion of lesbian or bisexual women has risen from a low of 4% in the oldest cohort to a high of 9% in the youngest one. ...


What is going on? It looks like male homosexuality is much more hardwired than female homosexuality. As our social environment becomes more liberal, fewer gays are coming out of the closet—probably because so few are left there. In contrast, the number of potential lesbians seems much more open-ended. Is there an upper limit?
http://evoandproud.blogspot.co.nz/2012/07/born-this-way.html

@Conquistador:

"Yes. The west is reverting back to it's pagan identity where sexual debauchery and meanness rule the day a la Caligula."

How many potential (closeted or otherwise) homosexuals do you think there are—i.e., what percentage of the population?

Here you go:

The Evolution of Female Bisexuality « JayMan's Blog

http://jaymans.wordpress.com/2012/10/28/the-evolution-of-female-bisexuality/

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