More about counting the number of Jews in the United States

As I’ve previously pointed out, there is a lot of miscounting of Jews.

Most estimates of Jews in the United States is based simply on people’s response to polls such as the General Social Survey. I checked the GSS again, and for the years 2000-2010, 2% of respondents said Jewish in response to the question “In what religion were you raised?”

However, the way anti-Semites count Jews, the number is much larger than that, because they use a one-drop rule, and someone who wasn’t raised Jewish still gets classified as Jewish because they have a parent or a grandparent or even a great-grandparent who was raised Jewish.

Although the percent of people who respond “Jewish” in surveys like the GSS is decreasing, the percent of people who are Jewish based on a one-drop rule is increasing.

If you follow the link above, you will see that I previously explained that others have estimated that there are 10 million people in the United States who qualify for Aliyah to Israel, and that would be 3.33% of the population or 5% of the white population. And this is my guess, but probably 4% of the population and 6% of the white population would be classified as Jewish under the anti-Semitic one-drop classification. That’s double the number of people who self-identify as being raised Jewish.

The percent of Jews increase dramatically if you only look at people with college degrees. Based on the same 2000-2010 GSS years, 4.7% of people with at least a college degree are Jewish, and 7% of people with graduate degrees are Jewish.

If one assumes that part-Jews who do not self-identify as Jewish attend college at the same rate as self-identified Jews (and I think that’s a reasonable assumption), then maybe 9.5% of college graduates are Jewish using the broader definition. And because a college degree is a prerequisite to work in any notable profession, that’s an important number. So if some profession is one-third Jewish based on the way that anti-Semites count Jews, then this might seem like a large percentage compared to the 2% of the population who self-identify as Jewish, but it’s not such a big number at all compared to the 9.5% of college graduates who are Jewish under a one-drop rule.

Also, it’s completely unrealistic to think that those 9.5% of college graduates who are Jewish will be perfectly evenly represented in all professions. No, it’s more realistic that Jews will like some professions and industries more than others, and that Jews will be over-represented in some professions and under-represented in others. It’s no more a black conspiracy that there are a lot of black NBA players than it is a Jewish conspiracy that there are a lot of Jewish stand-up comics.

One also needs to factor in that Jews are not evenly geographically distributed. There are a lot of Jews in New York and not so many in Texas. Thus in industries based in Texas, such as the oil and gas industry, you shouldn’t expect to find a lot of Jews. But in industries based in New York, such as finance, law, media and fashion, you would naturally expect a much higher percentage of the people to be Jews.

It’s not a conspiracy, it’s just numbers plus HBD. If you anti-Semitic white gentiles want to have the career success of Jews, then you should get good grades in school, and go to the most prestigious college and graduate school you can get into. This is EXACTLY the advice I give all the time on my blog. You sound like the NAACP, which would rather sue the city of New York because not enough blacks get admitted to Stuyvesant, than tell black parents that they should make their kids study for the test.

Comments

[Herb Dregs]

Maybe there aren't a lot of Jewish NBA players anymore, but there's a successful Jewish NBA commissioner.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Stern

[Banjo]

How could you forget Kinky Friedman? Than again, he is originally a Yid from the Windy City...

[Conquistador]

@ Herb Dregs

The NBA is a failing league. Stern represents liberal Jewish idiocy well. He embraced "the urban market" at the expense of small towns with mostly white fans. The NBA is struggling now.

[outlaw josey wales]

Absolutely right. Jews should serve as a model for all white people.

[Kurtosis]

The Jew as middleman-minority follows the same dynamic as the Parsis in India, Hindus in black British colonies, Chinese in Malay societies, Greeks in Ottoman lands.

Why don't we just say once and for all that the Jew is on average cleverer than the Gentile, and that brings all the good and bad things when you induce an interaction between two populations of differing intelligence distributions.

The "problems" that come from Jewish behavior come from hardcored Zionist Jews who are openly unpatriotic, chauvinistc, etc. I knew one in school that just refused to even do pledge of allegiance at football games. I mean come on, that is a bit much. And the chauvinism was rather disturbing, especially when talking about arabs or born again christians. In any case, those are obnoxious behaviors, Jew or not. It's safe to say that those Zionist chuavinists will self identify as a Jew. However, even with X grandparents who are jews, if you self-identify as non-Jew, it is safe to say that you won't have those qualities. Therefore, the important litmus test is self-identification.

I do hope one day Jews intermarry completely and rejoin the human family. Their separatism has only brought them untold misery throughout millenia. This will be easier for males than females as is playing out in exogamy statistics. It would be faster if female Jews are as desirable on the interracial market as male Jews. Women like well-behaved, non-criminal, beta earners in the long run. Not many men like intellectually-masculine, aggressive, controlling women (unless those men have a psycological comeplex themselves). But women as a rule don't like exogamy, whatever their demographic, which further makes this difficult.

[Turambar]

"“In what religion were you raised?” "

So you guys couldnt figure out how to respond to that?

[CamelCaseRob]

Not even the Nazis followed a one drop rule. Like you said, there aren't that many Jews in Texas. My only basis for what they look like is movies and TV and news photos. But, I was in the Houston Museum of Fine Arts recently and there was a school group of 10 YO Jewish kids that I looked at with interest. They were whiter than most whites, had awkward bodies and seemed like a bunch of little nerds. Just my impression.

[oo-ee-oo-ah-ah-ting-tng-walla-walla-bing-bang]

meh. "jew" includes cohorts like Beta Israel and Mizrahis who notably under-perform vis-a-vis Sephardim who themselves notably under-perform vis-a-vis Ashkenazim. (even then, we get into the yekke vs. shettl discussion).
If you take Beta and Mizrahi out, and count sephardim for half (am I being unrealistic? I certainly don't intend on being unrealistic here) you ARE left with dispairity. That 9.5% with college degrees aren't going to the broad cohort of "jews" and we both know it.
As to what percentage of US jewry is sephardic etc, i've never seen workable breakouts. But it is clear to anyone who objectively looks at it that ashkenazim notably over-perform vis-a-vis their LSAT/MCAT figures and their population size.

[HS: The vast majority of American Jews are Ashkenazi, who mostly come from Russia, Poland, and Germany.]

[halfies]

Come on HS - Jews themselves love counting half-Jews as Jewish. Hell, it's even one of the major aspects of Judaism, i.e. matrilineal descent. Or for a more modern, secular example, listen to Adam Sandler's Hanukkah Song.

[HS: Matrilineal descent was forced upon Jews because Jewish women were raped by Roman gentiles after they were conquered. Anti-Semites twist into a Jewish conspiracy a practice that was a response to conquest and rape.

Jews like the Hanukkah song because they feel left out during Christmas. A major part of being Jewish in America is feeling sad and left out during Christmas. I keep repeating this over and over, but you gentiles just don't get it. ]

[Florida resident]

Exchange betweem
John Derbyshire and Gideon Aronoff on
"Where Should Jews Stand On Immigration?":
three entries by Derbyshire, intermixed with three responses by Aronoff.

http://www.jewcy.com/post/where_should_jews_stand_immigration_0

http://www.jewcy.com/post/lets_roast_some_old_chestnuts

http://www.jewcy.com/post/why_such_colossal_favoritism_toward_mexicans

http://www.jewcy.com/post/torah_talmud_and_undocumented_worker

http://www.jewcy.com/post/good_america_good_jews_good_whole_world

http://www.jewcy.com/post/jewish_immigration_activists_look_out_jewish_interests_so_what

Enjoy !

[HS: One should beware of ultra-liberal Jews who claim to speak for all Jews but who actually don't.

For example, the General Social Survey asked if immigration from Latin America should be increased or decreased, and 22% of Jews said it should be increased and 39% said decreased. So Jews are, on average, anti-immigration and not pro-immigration.]

[halfies]

"Jews like the Hanukkah song because they feel left out during Christmas. A major part of being Jewish in America is feeling sad and left out during Christmas. I keep repeating this over and over, but you gentiles just don't get it."

No, listen to the lyrics of the Hanuakkah song. It's just Sandler listing a bunch of Jews, many of whom are half-Jewish (even quarter!).

[HS: And if you pay attention to the lyrics and the intorudction to the song, Sandler explains that he's singing to little Jewish boys and girls who feel sad and left out during Christmas. "When you feel like the only kid in town without a x-mas tree, heres a list of people who are Jewish, just like you and me." The fact that Jews like this song so much is merely a testament to the lack of songs that make Jews feel good about themselves.]

[Sheila Tone]

HS, you haven't noticed any preference by Jews in hiring other Jews? You know, similar to the Indian preference you discuss in your last post.

[HS: Just the opposite, no Jews have ever hired me, and I've been on zillions of interviews in which the interviewer was Jewish, but only gentiles have offered me jobs. I was even once hired by an Arab, believe it or not, but never by a Jew.

Jews really do behave the complete opposite of the way that anti-Semites think they behave.]

[uatu]

@Conquistador:

I would have to disagree with your statement that the NBA is struggling. Compared to the NFL, all domestic pro-sports leagues have their 'issues'.

After jordan left, the nba had a lull period for a decade or so, but has picked back up in the last few years. The issue the NBA faces is not being 'too urban' but the fact that players are self-selecting only choice markets to play in and are willing to team-up with other superstars (and take less than optimal money) to do it. Since the NBA is a superstar driven league, you will get huge parity issues and that's the league's biggest issue right now.

As for Stern, he's probably the most competent commissioner of a major american pro-sport over his tenure. None of the NFL guys have lasted as long as him and I would ascribe the NFL's success more to the attractiveness of the sport itself to the american psyche rather than Tagliabue or Goodell's stewardship.

Stern has developed NBA's foreign assets/reach really well and basketball/NBA's global growth ceiling is much higher in my opinion than the NFL (or MLB). This is an area where the NBA can really destroy the NFL (though not enough to make up for the NFL's domestic market dominance).

[Nancy Lebovitz]

Any theories about why there are no world famous Israeli companies?

[HS: Besides Teva Pharmaceuticals? Or Israel Weapon Industries which manufactures the famous Uzi submachinegun? Or Mirabilis, the company which invented ICQ the very first instant messenger. Check Point software? Israel has more companies listed on the NASDAQ than any other country besides the United States. But most Israeli companies don't advertise their Israeliness.

Israel is a tiny country with only 8 million people, so it's not going to have as many world-famous companies as a country like Japan with a population of 128 million. But more useful stuff comes out of tiny Israel than the entire Muslim world combined. ]

[ATC]

The black comparison is more apt than you realize. Just as blacks who are white inside usually get it beat out of them unless they grow up like Obama, gentiles who are Jewish inside get it beat out of them if they grow up in Texas.

Is there any better place to be an ectomorphic nerdy kid than NYC?

[ATC]

I don't see what's wrong with sounding like the NAACP. At least in the case of smart white nobodies from flyover country with no family social capital or networks, the investment would pay off instead of going into the toilet.

[IHTG]

HS: But...but...Finland Nokia!

[Gilbert]

"If you anti-Semitic white gentiles want to have the career success of Jews, then you should get good grades in school, and go to the most prestigious college and graduate school you can get into. This is EXACTLY the advice I give all the time on my blog. You sound like the NAACP, which would rather sue the city of New York because not enough blacks get admitted to Stuyvesant, than tell black parents that they should make their kids study for the test."

HUH??!?! According to the tenets of HBD, it doesn't really matter how hard you study for the test, since there are certain limits to what you can accomplish - at least on the macro group level. Despite your mentioning of HBD, it seems that you are employing the traditional Jewish strategy of deflecting jealousy by chalking success up to hard work. Just hard work - anyone could do it, if you set your mind to it! (What you might say about the goyishe kop when you're by yourselves is another matter, of course). Not that I have any problem with Jewish success at all... it's just that there may be other factors at play than simply hard work, hmmm?

[Joe Walker]

Quote: "Jews like the Hanukkah song because they feel left out during Christmas. A major part of being Jewish in America is feeling sad and left out during Christmas"

If Jews hate Christmas so much then why don't they just go on vacation to Israel in mid-December and come back in January? This would be better than constantly trying to make gentiles feel guilty for saying things like "Merry Christmas."

[HS: Most Jews can't afford to go to Israel every year for a month, and you are making the mistake of assuming that a small but vocal minority of ultra-liberal Jews speak for all Jews, which they don't.]

[Secret of NAM]

HS,

Affirmative action directly harms whites (and Asians) who aren't powerful. Insiders like Center for American Progress don't have to hire stupid AAs, only the qualified few that they can find. Firefighters, policemen, Wal-Mart workers all are forced to work with unqualified AAs. Jews are smarter and more insidery than other whites, so they aren't harmed by the race policies that they support to the same degree.

If you've never been hired by a Jew who's more powerful than you, my guess is that they sense your burning class resentment/rage and your suspicion that they can smell your prole upbringing. You are nuts about status and hierarchy.

[HS: In other words, you agree that Jewish elite discriminate against prole Jews in favor of elite gentiles.]

"It’s not a conspiracy, it’s just numbers plus HBD. If you anti-Semitic white gentiles want to have the career success of Jews, then you should get good grades in school, and go to the most prestigious college and graduate school you can get into."

You tell 'em, HS! "Get better grades, Stupid!"

[HS: It's more than just grades, it's following all of the advice in this blog about extracurricular activities, and obtaining elite credentials.]

[Blue Willow]

Why are Jews concentrated in New York? (In Canada they are also concentrated in big cities in the east -- Montreal and Toronto).

[HS: Jews from Europe FEARED living among goyim, so once they heard that Jews were in New York City, that's where they moved to so they could live among other Jews and not the goyim who treated them like crap in Europe.]

[Conquistador]

@ uatu

The NBA is simply too black and ghetto unlike other sports. When white fans can't identify with the players and when small market teams stand no chance of winning championships (Stern's playoff rigging) they stop caring. New sports like MMA then rise.

[WJ]

"Thus in industries based in Texas, such as the oil and gas industry, you shouldn’t expect to find a lot of Jews."

Which industries Jews manage to be concentrated in is irrelevant. The fact is that the Democratic Party chooses to be far tougher on industries not dominated by Jews - like ignoring discriminatory practices, sexual harrassment, and unequal representation in Hollywood, for example, or extending the length of copyright protection; or voting for deregulation of the finance industry, etc.

[HS: No, the Democratic Party favors industries that contribute campaign money to Democrats. The Democratic Party also likes unions, because unions contribute money and not because there are lots of Jewish proles working union jobs. They like professional sports, even though there are no Jewish athletes.]

The fact is that Jews *like most other groups* choose the Democratic Party not out of any sense of sacrifice and compassion, but out of self-interest, and the Dem Party repays in kind.

[HS: Jews who truly care about their self-interest, the Orthodox Jews, vote Republican. The Democratic Party primarily benefits NAMs. Whites (which includes Jews) who vote Democratic vote that way because of white guilt, or because of global warming and other altruistic issues.]

Whatever the alleged goal of AA, quotas, and efforts at "increasing diversity," the real goal is to (roughly) equalize outcomes between groups with vastly disparate success rates. Given the HUGE overrepresentation of Jews compared to non-Jewish whites, any such program would rationally try to bring the number of Jews down to "their fair share." But...these programs don't try to do that. When they did, as with the old Ivy League quotas, the Jews bitched about the discriminatory practices of *private colleges* founded by da goyim and called it anti-Semitism.

[HS: The current college admission system benefits elite whites (Jews and gentiles alike) and non-Asian minorities, and hurts prole whites (which includes prole Jews).]

Jews can thus go about gladly supporting quotas and AA because they don't try doing specifically to them what it tries doing to whites as a whole.

[HS: Replace "Jews" with "elite white" and yes I agree.]

[oo-ee-oo-ah-ah-ting-tng-walla-walla-bing-bang]

[HS: The vast majority of American Jews are Ashkenazi, who mostly come from Russia, Poland, and Germany.]

Pace HS, ~10% of American jews are non-white (which does not include "white" lusitanian sephardim, who are religiously jewish but underacheivers)
I think your confusion on this subject is your NYC-centric view. In LA, the "modal" jew is a persian. They even have the sobriquet "Tehran-geles".
Iranian jews in CA do skew wealthy, but it;s almost never through "prestige" or technical knowhow (aka doctors, quants etc) but through running used car dealerships, construction firms, etc. "Regular Joe" stuff. Rest assured, LA mizrahi aren't taking your kid's spot at Dartmouth.
Which, again, bolsters my point. "jews" don't earn 9.x% of degrees, "jews" less 10% for non-whites less XYZ% for sephardim earn 9.x%.

[justreal]

People can be critical of demographic statistics. It doesn't mean they are anti-anything. You are confusing religious affliation with ethnic heritage. There are Jews who don't follow Judaism, they still are ethnic Jews. The current head of American Athiests is a Jewish guy and he identifies himself as a Jewish atheist.

89% of Jews in America have college degrees compared to 33% of European Americans.

[HS: According to the GSS, only 57% of Jews have college degrees. SURPISE! There are prole Jews. You just don't know about that reading anti-Semitic blogs.]

I agree Eurpean Americans should study more instead of focusing on football for boys and beauty pageants for girls. Still there is active disenfranchisement of European American students on college campuses especially the top schools because they want to fill those slots with non-European Americans whether it's for diversity or for tuition money and then later on alumni donations. European-Americans are being squeezed out of top colleges and we know it. Another thing is society needs people to be police officers, farmers, soldiers, dishwashers, day care providers, hair stylists etc. Those jobs don't require college degrees. I know a lot of people look down on those people but they are the ones that allow a complex society to exist.

What I'm concerned about is how European American have made and fostered a complex society to exist yet are allowing other groups to become overclasses in this society, to have the money and power to make decisions that affect our lives. Unfortunately, you can't say that because it will be anti-something.

[HS: Jews are European-American. The American overclass is still European-American. They don't let in much Asians, and blacks aren't smart enough to join. The overclass doesn't believe in religion, so they don't consider a Jewish European different than a gentile European. ONLY anti-Semites think that Jews somehow aren't white. Most people can't even tell the difference between a Jew and a gentile European.]

[The Undiscovered Jew]

"Given the HUGE overrepresentation of Jews compared to non-Jewish whites, any such program would rationally try to bring the number of Jews down to "their fair share.""

Jews aren't overly represented at the Ivy League.

Jewish college students with two Jewish parents are only 10-15% of the Ivy League. The other 10-15% of self identified Ivy League Jews are half or less Jews.

[The Undiscovered Jew]

"Jews can thus go about gladly supporting quotas and AA because they don't try doing specifically to them what it tries doing to whites as a whole."

Btw, the Ivys do discriminate against Jews and half-Jews in favor of fly over whites with extra weights for geographic diversity and athletic ability, both of which harm Jews and half-Jews because they are concentrated in the Norhtheast and because they are less athletic than gentiles.

[The Undiscovered Jew]

"Why are Jews concentrated in New York?"

Because Jews have been living in urban areas as merchants and traders ever since the age of Hellenic Judaism.

[The Undiscovered Jew]

"Jews are smarter and more insidery than other whites, so they aren't harmed by the race policies that they support to the same degree."

Polls and the GSS show Jews oppose AA. And AA definitely hurts Jews get into elite schools. If the 10-20% of slots devoted to NAMs at the average Ivy League school were open to merit, more Jews and half-Jews would get in.

[The Undiscovered Jew]

"Besides Teva Pharmaceuticals? Or Israel Weapon Industries which manufactures the famous Uzi submachinegun? Or Mirabilis, the company which invented ICQ the very first instant messenger. Check Point software?"

But none of those are well known even if they are listed on the NASDAQ.

[The Undiscovered Jew]

"Not even the Nazis followed a one drop rule."

The Nazis wanted to persecute half-Jews too but even Hitler ended up making exceptions because the Germans found it basically impossible to physically distinguish half-Jews from full Germans. In my experience, the only distinguishing physical characteristics of half-Jews is that we tend to be more baby-faced than average. But that's not a huge hint because there are many baby faced gentiles. However this is a nice trait to have because being baby-faced correlates with above average intelligence.

[The Undiscovered Jew]

"4.7% of people with at least a college degree are Jewish, and 7% of people with graduate degrees are Jewish."

In 2000, 45% of self identified Jewish college students said they only had one Jewish parent. By 2012, a majority of Jewish college students are now half-Jewish or less than half.

Btw, counting partial Jews as fully Jewish also lowers the number of gentiles in elite positions, which is another way anti-semites lie.

In that bogus statistic claiming 35% of the Forbes 400 list is Jewish, Steve Ballmer and Larry Page were counted as full Jews when in fact they are half-Swiss and half-generic Anglo-American, respectively. But counting them both as full Jews, the anti-semites lowered the number of white gentiles to make white gentiles appear to be helpless against Jews.

[The Undiscovered Jew]

"The fact is that Jews *like most other groups* choose the Democratic Party not out of any sense of sacrifice and compassion, but out of self-interest,"

Voting Democrat hurts Jews on both domestic policy (such as Obama care's negative effect on Jewish doctors) and on foreign policy.

Secondly, this is why it's impossible to reason with anti-semites like this one. It's impossible because the anti-semites are always imagining a non-existent conflict of interest between elite Jews and elite gentiles.

No matter how many times we explain to them that elite Jews are basically following the tastes of elite gentiles in order to gain acceptance into elite gentile society, morons like "WJ" keep searching for ulterior Jewish motivations that do not exist.

I don't know why you even allow anti-semites to comment on this blog when they have no evidence elite Jews like Stephen Bryer are pursuing a parallel ethnic agenda against elite gentiles such as David Souter.

Belief in elite gentile-Jewish conflict of interest - despite the overwhelmingly amount of evidence that Jews and gentiles are in agreement with one another - is a clear sign of out of control paranoia.

[The Undiscovered Jew]

"Is there any better place to be an ectomorphic nerdy kid than NYC?"

MIT or any elite science/math program in New England. Harvard has lots of ectomorphs but they aren't really looking for classical nerds. Harvard recruits students who are both highly intelligent and socially adept. MIT is more strictly interested in raw cognitive horsepower than Harvard.

[ice hole]

The late Christopher Hitchens would have to be one of the more bizarre examples of the 'one drop rule' as applied to Jewishness.

This is from Alexander Cockburn: 'His brother Peter and other researchers used to say that in terms of blood lineage, the Hitchens boys’ Jewishness was pretty slim and fell far outside the definitions of the Nuremberg laws. I always liked Noam Chomsky’s crack to me when Christopher announced in Grand Street that he was a Jew: “From anti-Semite to self-hating Jew, all in one day.” '

[Drole Prole]

Okay, I get it. Jews and whites aren't clannish at all while non-whites are very clannish.

[HS: Except for Japanese-Americans who aren't very clannish.]

[Camlost]

As soon as I saw the title of this thread I knew that TUJ would have 50% of the activity on it.

[HS: I am glad he's around, because even posts that have nothing to do with Jews somehow get hijacked by anti-Semitic commenters.]

[Camlost]

"The NBA is a failing league. Stern represents liberal Jewish idiocy well. He embraced "the urban market" at the expense of small towns with mostly white fans. The NBA is struggling now. "

You're out of your mind.

The NBA is on a huge recent upswing, fueled by the marketability of LeBron James:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/aliciajessop/2012/06/14/the-surge-of-the-nbas-international-viewership-and-popularity/

"Small towns" don't have an NBA franchise, and rural white people aren't going to tune in to the TNT telecast of NBA basketball on cable anyway. Take a look at an NBA game on TV some time and you'll see rappers and jive-talking dolls hawking ads for soda, fast food, sneakers, pre-paid phones, etc - items in demand by our burgeoning number of black and Hispanic youths.

The NBA is growing very fast in China, with advertising and broadcast dollars rolling in hand over fist.

The biggest reason for the NBA's newfound popularity if primarily YouTube - highlights from NBA games are very well-tailored to video snippets that can be replayed over and over. This phenomenon has played especially well with highly-connected markets in China, Hong Kong and South Korea, much as David Stern predicated accurately over 20 years ago.

David Stern's a marketing genius. His institution of a dress code for NBA players in 2007 was brilliant, as was his decision to have NBA teams do off-season playing tours of China/Far East, Western Europe and Mediterranean/Southern Europe.

[Camlost]

"Israel is a tiny country with only 8 million people, so it's not going to have as many world-famous companies as a country like Japan with a population of 128 million."

Israeli companies are super strong in technology, especially commercial software and Internet/Info Security. This is amazing for a country the size of New Jersey.

I can name several off the top of my head that Siggie didn't name - like Radware, Verint, Amdocs, Jacada...

[Conquistador]

"You're out of your mind." - Camlost

22 out of 30 teams lose money in the NBA. Basically over inflated player salaries and not enough revenue coming in anymore.

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/15/league-says-22-teams-to-lose-money-300-million-total-this-season/

"The NBA is growing very fast in China, with advertising and broadcast dollars rolling in hand over fist." - Camlost

The NBA won't catch on in Asia because most people are too short to play and knock off merchandise is huge.

Whiskey's take on the matter.

The entire sports complex is running out of money. The NHL had a season long lockout in 2004-5. The NFL had a Summer long lockout that killed the exhibition season. Money is starting to get tight. Cable rights fees are no longer able to sustain year-on increases because cable TV and sports are discretionary items for cash-strapped men. And sports featuring nearly all-Black leagues have little appeal. Yes, most White fans will agree that the Black athletes are superior to White ones. They just don't care that much. Not enough to keep paying cable or satellite TV fees to watch them. Even less to pay to see them in person, or buy their merchandise. The "Los Dodgers" have been forced into a sale, the root cause of which is that Fox which bought them in the first place was desperate to dump them to a charlatan. Who proved incapable of running the team and used it as a piggy bank as the demographic wave transforming LA made the stadium into a Mexican gang-ridden war zone.

The NBA has about $4 billion in revenue. The problem is that vastly inflated player salaries were predicated on: 1. The NBA making money in China which never happened; 2. Increasing money extracted from TNT and NBC (which never happened); and 3. Increasing arena admissions/revenue and merchandising money, which never happened. Costs are spiraling out of control and the NBA's "all-in" bet on 100% Rap and Black has been a poor one.

http://whiskeys-place.blogspot.com/2011/11/why-no-one-cares-about-nba-lockout.html

[Nicolai Yezhov]

Jews made no contributions to science or technology before the 20th century. Jews may blame hmmmm racism for this?

[HS: Jews couldn't participate in the economy of Europe because they were discriminated against. They only way they could contribute in a notable way to science and technology was to be Christian.

But many famous historical figures are believed to be crypto-Jews, such as Cristopher Columbus:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/22/christopher-columbus-jewish_n_1534928.html

http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/20/opinion/garcia-columbus-jewish/index.html

And here's a list off notable Jewish Physicists:

http://www.jinfo.org/Physicists.html

Some of them definitely predate the 20th century, such as Heinrich Hertz one of the most notable physicists. Although yes, because of anti-Semitism before the 20th century, most of the Jewish Physicists are 20th century.

I might also mention the obvious, that a Jew invented blue jeans in the 19th Century, which you are probably wearing.

And yes, I deleted the rest of your comment, because the policy of this blog is to delete anti-Semitic comments, otherwise the comment section will become filled with Stormfronters. You should go to other internet forums that are more friendly to people who think everything wrong with the world is a huge Jewish conspiracy.]

[Secret of NAM]

[HS: In other words, you agree that Jewish elite discriminate against prole Jews in favor of elite gentiles.]

Not even slightly. I think that you aren't actually a Marxist, but that you felt oppressed at some point, so you were electrified by the class distinction talk. My guess is that you act unusually stilted and maybe passive-aggressive around Jewish interviewers, making it hard for them to choose you even if you are well qualified. Just because I ape your hostile and country-killing memes doesn't mean I agree.

You tell 'em, HS! "Get better grades, Stupid!"

[HS: It's more than just grades, it's following all of the advice in this blog about extracurricular activities, and obtaining elite credentials.]

Yes, stupid people should excel in smart-people ways by being smart and doing well in school, and getting better credentials than smarter people.

[Atoz]

"A major part of being Jewish in America is feeling sad and left out during Christmas. I keep repeating this over and over, but you gentiles just don't get it."

Why do Jews feel sad and left out during Christmas? Is someone preventing them from partaking? It's hardly a religious holiday anymore.

Is feeling sad and left out a justification for feeling resentment? Non-whites feel sad and left out in majority White America and therefore hate Whites. Gays feel sad and left out too. And liberals are trying to make them feel better by making this country less White and more gay. They are also making Christian holidays more and more secular.

[HAR]

The guy claiming that the NBA is a failing league shows how strongly dislike of a particular race can cloud judgment. Last year's playoffs achieved record ratings

http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2012/story/_/id/8007884/2012-nba-playoffs-miami-heat-boston-celtics-game-4-draws-record-cable-rating

And just the other night, the second night of the new season, the Lakers-Blazers game drew the largest audience ever on NBA TV.

http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2012/story/_/id/8007884/2012-nba-playoffs-miami-heat-boston-celtics-game-4-draws-record-cable-rating

Owners claim poverty when trying to negotiate terms that will allow them to pay players less. And even if the owners were all losing money, the league is still as popular as ever and it makes no sense to call it "failing."

White Americans, and people all over the world, appreciate black basketball players. If you appreciate HBD, you should have no problem with that.

[Conquistador]

"White Americans, and people all over the world, appreciate black basketball players. If you appreciate HBD, you should have no problem with that." - HAR

Yeah just like young suburban white people looove hip hop while living nowhere near actual black people. NBA is no different.

The NBA's books were audited for labor negotiations. They've lost over 1.5 billion in the last five years. Here are the figures.

05-06: 19 clubs ran at a loss, total losses of $220 million
06-07: 21 clubs ran at a loss, total losses of $285 million
07-08: 23 clubs ran at a loss, total losses of $330 million
08-09: 24 clubs ran at a loss, total losses of $370 million
09-10: 23 clubs ran at a loss, total losses of $340 million
* 10-11 23 clubs ran at a loss, total loss of $300 million

Basically a few big market teams are carrying the entire league.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/sportsmoney/2011/07/06/audited-numbers-show-nba-lost-over-1-5b-over-last-five-years/

Moreover even Larry Bird warned the NBA was getting too black.

ESPN host Jim Gray asked Bird whether the NBA lacks enough white superstars.

"Well, I think so," said Bird, the Indiana Pacers' president of basketball operations. "You know, when I played, you had me and Kevin [McHale] and some others throughout the league. I think it's good for a fan base because, as we all know, the majority of the fans are white America. And if you just had a couple of white guys in there, you might get them a little excited. But it is a black man's game, and it will be forever."

[HS: The NBA is making a huge amount of money, it's just that the money is going to the star players and other stakeholders rather than to the owners of the residual profits.]

[HAR]

I'll explain this one more time. It's possible that the following two propositions are true at the same time

1) The NBA is extremely popular
2) The owners are losing money

In order to make the case that 1 is not true, you keep arguing 2. But 2 is irrelevant. Direct evidence of the NBA's popularity does not come from how profitable franchises are, but from things like ratings and gross revenue.

[destructure]

"the way anti-Semites count Jews [...] they use a one-drop rule, and someone who wasn’t raised Jewish still gets classified as Jewish because they have a parent or a grandparent or even a great-grandparent who was raised Jewish." -- HS

It's not unreasonable to suppose those with Jewish ancestry prefer one another over those without. It may not always be accurate but it's not unreasonable.
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"If you anti-Semitic white gentiles want to have the career success of Jews, then you should get good grades in school, and go to the most prestigious college and graduate school you can get into. This is EXACTLY the advice I give all the time on my blog." -- HS

They're lucky to have someone like you looking out for them. ಠ_ಠ
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"Matrilineal descent was forced upon Jews because Jewish women were raped by Roman gentiles after they were conquered." -- HS

Some women were raped after the Bar Kokhba rebellion. But it's more likely that matrilineal descent was established to account for intermarriage and bring Jewish law in line with Roman laws of citizenship. Indeed, the Mishnah (Yevamot 4:13, 4:16, and 7:5) indicates that children of Jewish women and non-Jewish men aren't typical Jews but "mamzers" -- children of forbidden sexual relationships ie. incest, adultery, etc who were not permitted to marry a non-mamzer. Its unlikely the Mishnah rabbis would have concluded children of rape were mamzers if their goal was to establish matrilineal descent.
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"The current college admission system benefits elite whites (Jews and gentiles alike) and non-Asian minorities, and hurts prole whites (which includes prole Jews)." -- HS

I agree. But Jews are disproportionately more elite and less prole so some of the AA burden is shifted to gentiles. Not that Jews as a whole aren't harmed by AA. But Jews benefit from being lumped with gentiles. Similarly, NE Asians benefit from being lumped with SE Asians. Just as white hispanics benefit from being lumped with non white hispanics. Whites even benefit from arabs being lumped in with whites. Not that any whites or asians benefit from AA. My point is that the pain isn't distributed evenly.

[destructure]

"the Ivys do discriminate against Jews and half-Jews in favor of fly over whites with extra weights for geographic diversity and athletic ability, both of which harm Jews and half-Jews because they are concentrated in the Norhtheast and because they are less athletic than gentiles." -- The Undiscovered Jew

There may be points for geographic diversity. But unless Jews are into ROTC, 4H, FFA, etc those points also discriminates against gentiles.

From Minding The Campus' Review of the Espanshade & Radford study. http://goo.gl/tcTr

"Besides the bias against lower-class whites, the private colleges in the Espenshade/Radford study seem to display what might be called an urban/Blue State bias against rural and Red State occupations and values. This is most clearly shown in a little remarked statistic in the study's treatment of the admissions advantage of participation in various high school extra-curricular activities. In the competitive private schools surveyed participation in many types of extra-curricular activities -- including community service activities, performing arts activities, and 'cultural diversity' activities -- conferred a substantial improvement in an applicant's chances of admission. The admissions advantage was usually greatest for those who held leadership positions or who received awards or honors associated with their activities. No surprise here -- every student applying to competitive colleges knows about the importance of extracurriculars.

But what Espenshade and Radford found in regard to what they call "career-oriented activities" was truly shocking even to this hardened veteran of the campus ideological and cultural wars. Participation in such Red State activities as high school ROTC, 4-H clubs, or the Future Farmers of America was found to reduce very substantially a student's chances of gaining admission to the competitive private colleges in the NSCE database on an all-other-things-considered basis. The admissions disadvantage was greatest for those in leadership positions in these activities or those winning honors and awards. "Being an officer or winning awards" for such career-oriented activities as junior ROTC, 4-H, or Future Farmers of America, say Espenshade and Radford, 'has a significantly negative association with admission outcomes at highly selective institutions.' Excelling in these activities 'is associated with 60 or 65 percent lower odds of admission.' "

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"Btw, counting partial Jews as fully Jewish also lowers the number of gentiles in elite positions, which is another way anti-semites lie." -- The Undiscovered Jew

Your choice of name and spirited defense suggests there may be some basis for counting partial Jews.
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"Belief in elite gentile-Jewish conflict of interest - despite the overwhelmingly amount of evidence that Jews and gentiles are in agreement with one another - is a clear sign of out of control paranoia." -- The Undiscovered Jew

I agree. One can find the same prejudice and paranoia among individuals from every group. I think the idea that it doesn't exist in every group is part of the prejudice and paranoia. People just don't notice it in their own group as much.

[nebbish]

Adherence to elite/SWPL forms and values influences admission to prestigious universities. The sort of Jews who succeed in gaining admission to these places are disproportionately from urban and upper middle class backgrounds. Participation in 4H or Future Farmers of America, though perhaps laudable for its own sake, does not resonate with the SWPL admissions officers at elite schools. Gentiles in flyover country who would like to gain admission to elite colleges should strive for sustained involvement in SWPL-approved activities that show leadership potential and a trendy sort of public spiritedness.