The nanny murders

I guess this is worth a blog post, because we wonder whether it will make rich people in Manhattan think twice about abandoning the care of their children to poor Hispanic immigrants. How many other Hispanic immigrant nannies harbor such resentment against the rich brats they take care of that they’ve thought of doing the same thing?

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Kevin Krim, the father, has a high-level high-paying job with CNBC.

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The wife, Marina (sounds Russian but she grew up in an affluent Southern California family), is a stay-at-home mom. (Her part-time “job” teaching art to children at a local playground isn’t a real job, it’s a hobby.) Why do they have a nanny? Because it’s pretty common for rich men to have non-working wives who still have a nanny.

Comments

[Conqustador]

The brat kids got their comeuppance and the Manhattan elite learned a lesson about the ugly side of human nature. The very side they so happily impose on us the wrong sort of people.

[Bilbo Baggins]

The question is, was this hispanic a typical Northeastern mulatto hispanic, or was she what most of the rest of the country thinks a "hispanic" is, a Mexican mestizo?

[Lexus Liberal]

I bet they were liberals and didn't followup on the references or conduct an extensive background check.

Smart elite families usually hire French Au Pairs instead of Hispanic maids, especially for the added benefit of having them teach French.

Still a tragedy and regardless of her "motives" (excuses)an inexcusable crime, hope the maid gets the death penalty.

[Sanjuro]

"The question is, was this hispanic a typical Northeastern mulatto hispanic, or was she what most of the rest of the country thinks a "hispanic" is, a Mexican mestizo?"

Apparently Ortega is of Dominican heritage: the mother gushed about the nanny "We met Josie's amazing familia!!! And the Dominican Republic is a wonderful country!" (source http://tinyurl.com/8nmw6l5 ). I wonder what Krim thinks of Dominicans now?

These elites are harvesting the crop which they have sown. By importing these people for cheap labor to do tasks which they see as beneath them, they have now gotten a taste of what they would have the NAMs do to the average American peon.

[anon]

Conqustador--I guess you can't help but exude the prole mentality. Living near your ilk is scarcely better than among NAMs. Very sad story. Parents are statistically likely to divorce within several years. Depression probably looms for both parents; PTSD a possibility for mom.

[anonymous]

"because we wonder whether it will make rich people in Manhattan think twice about abandoning the care of their children to poor Hispanic immigrants."

Personally, I hope they don't

[map]

Anon wrote: "Conqustador--I guess you can't help but exude the prole mentality. Living near your ilk is scarcely better than among NAMs. Very sad story. Parents are statistically likely to divorce within several years. Depression probably looms for both parents; PTSD a possibility for mom."

Anon, you're an idiot. I would sooner live next door to a white trash family then live next door to a bunch of black lawyers.

[Dubrock]

If you open the door to aliens, your country (and by extension, your family) will be destroyed. For this family, it just happened quicker than normal.

[Just Speculating]

"The question is, was this hispanic a typical Northeastern mulatto hispanic, or was she what most of the rest of the country thinks a "hispanic" is, a Mexican mestizo?"

She was from the Dominican Republic. I say Mulatto Hispanic.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/26/nyregion/fatal-stabbings-on-upper-west-side-nanny-is-arrested.html?pagewanted=all

"Ms. Ortega had moved to New York from the Dominican Republic. She had not been officially charged as of Thursday night".

Low IQ NAMs will always resent wealthy Whites. But I say many privileged Whites come off as arrogant to elicit resentment from anyone.

[IHTG]

I think they might be Jewish.

[John]

"Because it’s pretty common for rich men to have non-working wives who still have a nanny."

That is nuts. "Honey, I don't want a job, and I don't want to take care of the kids, either, so let's get a nanny. That's OK with you, right?"

What sort of a man would say yes?

[map]

Is this a "random nanny-ing gone wrong?"

[Welat]

Half Sigma,

As you know, many people in the HBD-o-sphere are against all immigration.

For a variety of reasons, I feel that it is best for America if America allows massive immigration of super high IQ Northeast Asians... Ie.. Announce that the US invites millions of Koreans and Chinese to move to America, but first they have to take a sophisticated IQ test, and other tests.

I think America could attract millions of people with little education but genetically high IQs from those nations. The high IQ females from Korea and China could take all the nanny jobs. They would be happy for the nanny jobs. The children and grandchildren of these nannies would of course go on to get educated in value creating professions and add to the overall value of the usa, and add to the per capita value creation of the usa.

Again, I subscribe to every tenet of HBD but it seems to me that the wealthy elite demand cheap nannies, and the wealthy elite will not give up on massive massive immigration since massive immigration is needed in order to provide the nannies. Since we are stuck with massive immigration anyway, i suggest that immigration be made up of genetically high IQ Northeast asians instead of the alternative.

An added bonus is that northeast asian nannies are less prone to crime than nannies from other regions

[Conqustador]

"I guess you can't help but exude the prole mentality. Living near your ilk is scarcely better than among NAMs." - anon

This is why I laugh at the rubes from fly over country who volunteer to get disfigured for people like you. Contempt and a wheelchair ramp from Wounded Warriors is their prize. Go USA!

[DaveinHackensack]

Conquistador, your comments exhibit a lack empathy and a lack of a moral compass. They really are despicable. Put yourself in Kevin Krim's shoes. What would you feel if you were him and read what you just wrote?

Chances are, the nanny will turn out to be mentally ill. Without having data on how common this sort of crime is among nannies (I'm guessing it's extremely rare), it's irresponsible to assume this nanny was driven by resentment at taking care of a wealthy couple's kids (that's the definition of the job, so it would apply to every single nanny in the world) or that her being a NAM had anything to do with it (Are NAM nannies more likely to kill the kids they take care of? Any data on this?).

[YIH]

Lawrence Auster (and his commenters) have written quite a bit about this. As noted above the nanny is Dominican and it seems they went there to hire her. Read the whole thing here:
http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/023639.html

[Bill]

Note the nanny had self-inflicted stab wounds on her neck and is in critical condition. If she was simply resentful of her white employers, she probably wouldn't have harmed herself. There are probably other factors like mental illness at play.

Also at which point in America's illustrious history have rich white people NOT used non-white nannies? They can't get enough of them.

[Bilbo Baggins]

@Just Speculating:

My question is pertinent because blacks are just more prone to violent fits than even other NAMs. This is why the whole "hispanic" label is stupid except for keeping statistics on people's native language.

@Welat: High levels of immigration from Asia must be carefully done. One of the problems with importing so many hispanics into the country is that language does unite them to some extent. Having a large number of people who speak the same language in a country that speaks a different language invites trouble.

The main reason Asian immigration hasn't been as much of a problem is due to the higher median IQ, but another big reason that must be taken into account is that no one Asian group dominates, so as a whole, Asians have no incentive to hold onto their native languages in a chauvinistic way like hispanics do. This helps in the assimilation process.

What I'm alluding to is the big elephant in the room: China. 800 million of the country's 1.2 billion people speak Mandarin, or some form of it. It's fine if mass immigration from Asia has roughly equal numbers of Japanese (a good chunk of that country might become uninhabitable thanks to Fukushima), Koreans (who knows if/when NK might decide to cause chaos in SK), and Chinese.

But if the US takes numbers of each group in proportion to their populations in Asia, the overwhelming number of Chinese compared to Japanese, Koreans, and other Asians would create a situation like Miami: where even wealthy people who run the economy speak Spanish because there's no incentive for rich people to switch to English, even though most of Latin America's elite in Miami are white. The same is not true of Los Angeles, where only poor and working Mexicans speak Spanish, but everyone who is in a corporate boardroom speaks English regardless of whether they're from Russia, Iran, France, China, or Korea.

I dunno about you, but I prefer LA over Miami, and not just because of the weather.

[KLO]

Across the world, a not insignificant minority of people fantasize about killing someone -- co-workers, bosses, clients or customers -- associated with their work. I don't see how this is any different. Work, especially boring, tedious and frustrating work, can drive a lot of people to kill. Indeed, the last story like this that received a lot of attention was the Louise Woodward case. Woodward wasn't a NAM and wasn't from a third world country.

[Peter]

"(Are NAM nannies more likely to kill the kids they take care of? Any data on this?)"

I'll hazard a guess and say that the number of cases involving children murdered by their nannies is so low that it's impossible to make any statistical judgments.

[Eric]

When I attended Columbia, I discovered that more than a few Barnard and Columbia girls were employed as babysitters by UWS families. They were not full-time nannies, of course. But I wonder how many UWS families will compromise by ditching their foreign nannies, which means mom will have to do more of the heavy-lifting taking care of her kids, while hiring more Ivy League babysitters, so mom can still live a relatively breezy UWS life?

[Zimriel]

If she was simply resentful of her white employers, she probably wouldn't have harmed herself

Depends when she did it. Did she do it when she was cornered, listening to the cops knock on the door? or did she do it immediately?

[Eric]

Conqustador: Why bring the military into this?

If it makes a difference, the mom's sister was in the Army until recently, when she started having kids, and the mom's brother-in-law is still in the Navy.

Lots of military join out of the cities on both coasts.

Last year, with the exception of Brown and the schools that held onto their ROTCs in the wake of the Vietnam War, Ivy League schools ended their Vietnam-era prohibitions on ROTC.

[Bill]

"I think America could attract millions of people with little education but genetically high IQs from those nations. The high IQ females from Korea and China could take all the nanny jobs. They would be happy for the nanny jobs."

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Rich people don't need potential math majors to watch their kids. They need cheap, compliant immigrants and minorities they can boss around. They also don't want to drastically increase the pay and prestige of the field, which would be required to attract high IQ workers. Babysitting and cleaning the house isn't brain surgery. One just has to make sure the nanny isn't mentally unstable or criminal. Why do you think poor black American women used to dominate the profession?

[eekdl]

Dave in Hackensack, some times i don't know if you are joking or not.

Of course NAM nannies are more likely to commit crimes than Northeast asian nannies. The ratio of crime among female nams vs female northeast asians is very dramatic

Look it up, the stats are on the web.

Dave, choose wisely when you hire

[T]

DaveinHackensack, I don't see how you can emphasize with people who are conducting genocide against America. This nanny probably has children, and her children will grow up to terrorize and display real Americans. Their socially irresponsible actions will result in very serious pain and suffering for others. I don't see why I should empathize for them suffering from their criminal negligence.

[Just Speculating]

@ Bilbo Baggins

Yes, Blacks are more prone to violence than other NAMs. But a society where the gap between the haves and have nots is wider than ever before, there is enough resentment coming from the latter have nots. Then add feminism and female hypergamy into toxic mix, fuels another kind of resentment from guys who can't land a women. None of this a race thing, well it is, sort of, a resentment towards White people with money who act like assholes and live the good life.

[anonymous 1]

the nanny was apparently dealing with mental health issues and specific financial problems.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/27/nyregion/motive-for-stabbings-a-mystery-as-a-portrait-of-a-troubled-nanny-emerges.html?pagewanted=all

this case really pisses the shit out of me. the parents are suspected to have actually taken this nanny to a psychologist. if this is true, it really suggests they were remarkably dumb to have not severed their relationship immediately with the nanny. any parent that actually thinks their nanny needs psychological help is playing a dangerous game of dice with their kids's lives... what the fuck were they thinking?!?

they could have been nice but still terminated her. give her 2-3 months severance pay. but, don't let her anywhere near the kids. i really think a lot of this was SWPL bullshit. they immersed themselves in the nanny's culture and met her prole family. they probably thought they were doing the world good or something. they learned an important lesson by risking the lives of their kids. fucking ridiculous.

another thing, apparently, they vetted the help themselves and didn't go through an agency. had they gone through an agency, they could have had the agency 'take over' the situation once they realized the nanny was crazy enough to need mental health treatment. their apartment was about $10k a month, but you have to wonder if they were seriously looking to save a 'few pennies' for someone who would be entrusted with the lives of their kids. if true, then that's a 'penny saved, pound foolish.'

both kids were probably going grow up very good looking based on their pictures. i'm so angry at the parents right now. this is like that case of the little girl who went missing in portugal while her parents left her to have dinner.

[Wencil]

Bill, you are correct when you write
"Rich people don't need potential math majors to watch their kids"

However, i ask that you think about the future.... The low IQ NAM female immigrants that the elite bring to america to work as nannies are of course happy to do the work. but then the nannies get pregnant and produce NAM sons that go on to drop out of school and commit crimes. So each nam nanny produces disaster for the future.

On the other hand, if you import high IQ but totally uneducated chinese females, the chinese females happily work as nannies, just as cheaply as the NAM nannies, but the chinese females produce sons that learn engineering, commit no crimes, and pay taxes that keep our whole system going.

So in the short term the effect of importing nam nannies and the effect of importing chinese nannies is the exact same thing, but the long term outcome for America is very very different.

Do you now understand why it is better for America to import millions of un educated but genetically high IQ nannies from China and to allow zero of the genetically low IQ nannies that are currently being imported?

Would seem to be obvious from an HBD perspective

[An Unmarried Man]

Mmm, what was Fumiko Kimura's issue, in that case?

Ortega was obviously deranged and her deep-seated problems transcend trite "class resentment issues."

Much of this banter has the feel of painting the bullseye around the arrow. Ortega was a sicko. She happened to be Dominican.

[Kaz]

Meh, I mean as much as I'd like to attribute this to some kind of cause. It's clear this was just a freak occurrence. A very sad one.

[totallyreal]

One person doesn't represent everyone. When you bring people into raise your children you are opening up your children to more possible violence.

The last thing this country needs is more immigrants. East Asians love that attention is given to louder races while they sneak by and do whatever they want in this country largely unnoticed. It's not the responsibility of white people to provide education, jobs, free and peaceful society for East Asians to take advantage of. The more East Asians that come here the more this place becomes like East Asia. White couples don't have and raise children in China or Mexico. Why? Because they can't provide the environment they are looking for despite what we hear about East Asians being high IQ and all that they are much like Mexicans or any other non-white group you can think of.

[T]

Wencil, while it would be less bad to have Chinese immigrants, it would still be bad. Immigrants, even good people, are bad for a society. So you're not proposing a solution, but a way of reducing the harm. Yet if you think about it, implementing your solution would be much harder than implementing the true solution. Simply convincing people to stop all immigration into the US would be much easier than convincing people to import uneducated Chinese instead of uneducated people from Latin America. You'd have to convince a majority of the population about HBD. Whereas getting all immigration banned probably only requires convincing 10% of the population, because there are other arguments against immigration (jobs) and most people in the US already support reduced immigration.

[Kurtosis]

"The high IQ females from Korea and China could take all the nanny jobs. They would be happy for the nanny jobs."

You make me laugh, kid.

If you were to import Chinese nannies, expect much, much worse than to have your kids' throats slashed. They are capable of much more heinous brutality.

[jtollison78]

OT: Girls creator, Lena Dunham, just released an ad, comparing voting for Obama to losing virginity: http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2012/10/26/girls-creator-lena-dunham-compares-voting-to-barack-obama-to-losing-virginity/

[Peter]

"the parents are suspected to have actually taken this nanny to a psychologist"

While the Times article is not completely clear, it sounds as if the nanny's own family had taken her to the psychologist, not the family for whom she worked.

[Drole Prole]

See, this is what happens when you hire third world immigrants who do jobs "Americans are too lazy to do".

[Just Speculating]

"It's not the responsibility of white people to provide education, jobs, free and peaceful society for East Asians to take advantage of. The more East Asians that come here the more this place becomes like East Asia. White couples don't have and raise children in China or Mexico".

East Asians provide no substantial value to Whites except they are competing for the same jobs and school slots.

[JerseyGuy]

Half Sigma,
OT, but here is a really good article from a few months back by Charles Hugh Smith on value creation vs. value transference:
http://www.oftwominds.com/blogjune12/parasitic-elite-taxes6-12.html

Also, this New York Times real estate article really caught my eye last night:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/28/realestate/the-hunt-room-for-children-dog-and-trumpet.html?_r=1

So this SWPL couple, in which the father teaches band in Westchester and the mother is a freelance television producer, can afford an $869,000 apartment with monthly maintenance costs of $1,750? Something doesn't seem right. Perhaps she comes from a wealthy family? If so, how can we as a nation possibly be expected to maintain our wealth if all of the accumulated savings are producing freelance producers and band teachers?

[Rufus]

See, this is what happens when you hire third world immigrants who do jobs "Americans are too lazy to do".

Posted by: Drole Prole | October 27, 2012 at 06:47 AM

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If I'm not mistaken, weren't black women used as nannies before the job was taken over by Hispanics?

Was that just in the South?

[Francis]

"we wonder" - who's we?

[rob]

Welat/Wencil/Sock Puppeteer,

While I applaud your efforts to flood the US with your race, their ain't much in it for us non-Asians. Firstly, since some sorts of Asians are capable of moving up from low-skill labor, we'd have to keep importing more and more Asians to replace them. Hispanics can't move up very much, so they at least have the potential of forming a self-reproducing servant caste.

Despite their ostensible K-selection, Asians are not good with small children: they murder their own daughters with shocking frequency. Who would trust Chinese to raise their kids?

[bjk]

What makes people think the family is white? From the pictures, the family looks about as white as George Zimmerman.

[The Real Vince]

This is why it's important to have echo-chambers -- because the "elite" media will look at most of you as nutty racists. You have one data point and a lot of confirmation bias. It's like drawing a range of conclusions from a white lab technician murdering an Asian Yale grad student.

For a couple of millenia rulers have had lower-class females raise look after their children. Remember that epidemic of child-slayings in the fifties at the hands of violent negro women?

Whatever.

[anonymous 1]

"While the Times article is not completely clear, it sounds as if the nanny's own family had taken her to the psychologist, not the family for whom she worked."

that may be correct. the times article is not entirely clear. however, i'd want to know if the kids's parents:
1) ever witnessed the nanny becoming emotionally unhinged or irritable.
2) ever knew that the nanny was seeing a mental health professional

also, i've been reading that the nanny was asking for more money from the parents and that the parents gave her more hours and referred her to another family, who allegedly turned ortega down because they found her to be 'grumpy.' if true, that again begs the question, whether or not they got concerned about such a rejection of their trusted help?

again, i think it's going to come out that the parents were in denial or too stupid about the situation. i anticipate there'll be a throng of supporters who will refuse to dispassionately evaluate how indirectly complicit the parents were in this unfortunate affair.

if any of the above suspicions are true, then at the first sign of trouble, the parents should have gotten rid of the nanny and better protected the kids.

btw, what family actually visits the nanny's family in a third world foreign country? i strongly suspect some of the parents's motivation was a SWPL desire to help the world or something.

[Kurtosis]

this is just an example of "you get what you pay for."

[Kurtosis]

and somehow, jewness gets injected into every such conversation here, but i am not sure how it is relevant. however, i perceive that jews tend to be more optimistic about NAMs, as a rule. if they were jews, this would be the ultimate mugging by reality. am i wrong about this?

[Luis Ortega]

"Dominican Republic" i.e. Haiti?

[anon]

Domestics are routinely paid under the table true?

[bjk]

The Upper West Side family whose young children were allegedly murdered by their nanny on Thursday are members of the JCC in Manhattan, the organization said today.

It’s unclear whether the parents, Kevin and Marina Krim, are Jewish.

Read more: http://forward.com/articles/165013/nanny-stabbing-victims-family-belongs-to-jcc/#ixzz2AXAs49fY

[Ftf]

Asians have lower violence levels. If this family hired only asian nannies their kids would be alive

[Park Slope Pubby]

As a person who actually hired a Barbadian black woman to be a nanny for my three children, I think that a lot of you are nuts. My children are all grown up now, and they love her dearly. One of the reasons they love her is that she left them alone more than us SWPL parents. They were allowed to "go play."

Don't overgeneralize. I am absolutely sure that the nanny had mental illness issues. The parents should have been aware of that, but if any of you have had mental illness in your families, it's can be easy to miss.

I am totally opposed to letting in more Asians. They hate whites. Even though they are very successful, they resent whites, and vote Democratic in large numbers, which leads to more immigration of all sorts. This is very similar to Jews. No matter how much they succeed, they essentially vote against white people's interests, because they resent us.

In the end, your skin color is your uniform, and you always resent people from the other side.

If you want to see socialism take over the US, admit more East Asians.

[Sanjuro]

"What makes people think the family is white? From the pictures, the family looks about as white as George Zimmerman."

The mother's ethnicity does seem somewhat indeterminate, at first glance. What I noticed is how rough she looks for her age: in one picture her face looks almost as bad as the much older nanny.

[not too late]

Is it easier on a person's ego to reject a nanny that was sent by an agency than it is to reject one that they have personally selected and it appears they sort of tried to "bond" with?

They seemed to make the mistake of seeing the nanny as family almost as though she were herself one of their children. Nannies are employees. Personally, I don't like the nanny arrangement because I don't like a lone individual to have my kids. I would prefer a top notch day care because there are always other people watching and the chance that all of them would tolerate a crazy is pretty low.

[Dumbo]

I think this was a fluke, I grew up with a non-white (mestizo) nanny and there were never problems.

There was a British girl that killed a baby some years ago, she dropped it... So it's not necessarily a race issue, although psychopathy seems to be more common in blacks according to some studies.

If I had kids I'm not sure I would trust them with any one not of immediate family, regardless of race.

However, it seems that that particular nanny had mental or psychological issues, and that the Krims were over-enthusiastic about her (to even visit her family in the Dominican Republic seems a bit too much).

As for Asians, I think they tend to be cold with children. Tiger nanny?

In any case, nannies murdering children is something that is very rare. This is just a very, very sad and unfortunate case.

[Peter]

"The Upper West Side family whose young children were allegedly murdered by their nanny on Thursday are members of the JCC in Manhattan, the organization said today.
It’s unclear whether the parents, Kevin and Marina Krim, are Jewish."

I wouldn't imagine that non-Jews would join a Jewish community center. Besides, "Krim" sounds Jewish.

[DaveinHackensack]

"how can we as a nation possibly be expected to maintain our wealth if all of the accumulated savings are producing freelance producers and band teachers?"

Their parents created wealth doing more remunerative stuff. When these two finish blowing their money, their kids will have to hustle and may create more wealth because of that.

"As a person who actually hired a Barbadian black woman to be a nanny for my three children, I think that a lot of you are nuts. My children are all grown up now, and they love her dearly. One of the reasons they love her is that she left them alone more than us SWPL parents. They were allowed to "go play.""

That is an obvious cultural difference I notice among (American) black mothers around here. Maybe it's not as pronounced among Barbadians, but American black mothers will typically let their kids to things that the average white parent would flip out over (e.g., let their kids ride bikes in the street on busy roads at night).

[Meh]

"at which point in America's illustrious history have rich white people NOT used non-white nannies?"

When my sister and I were in need of being nannied (1965-1980) my mother hired a succession of women to live in the house with us. Every single one was a white, native-born American. Most of them were southern Christian women - very wholesome influences, indeed. (Back in those days, such women were thin, too.) Doubt you could hire white women to do that sort of work these days. Somehow it has become another job that Americans "just won't do".

[Conqustador]

"For a couple of millenia rulers have had lower-class females look after their children. Remember that epidemic of child-slayings in the fifties at the hands of violent negro women?"

First off what was once considered "discipline" is no longer acceptable. Secondly the time period you're citing is when people in general but women specifically had fewer opportunities. Talented and high caliber women don't aspire to be nannies anymore. Lastly there has been a massive cultural shift among NAMs. Would you trust a Shaniqua around your kids?

[Eazy-E]

What is it with affluent families these days? Why are all of their children taking swimming lessons?

[Eric]

A major motivation for hiring Ortega probably was to have a native-Spanish-speaking nanny. Both daughters attended La Escuelita, a bilingual pre-K school in the neighborhood.

[DaveinHackensack]

"Why are all of their children taking swimming lessons?"

So they learn not to drown. Useful skill, no? Particularly when you're going to be spending time on boats, at beaches, in and around pools, etc.?

[E. Rekshun]

Philadelphia Inquirer, 10/22/12. Good pic of the immigrant day care operator.

http://www.philly.com/philly/wires/ap/news/nation/20121022_ap_texasdaycareownerfacestrialinfatalfire.html?imageId=91672171

Former Houston day care owner faces trial in fatal fire that killed four children. Had fled to Nigeria.

[PA]

There is no such thing as cheap labor.

[PA]

"Would you trust a Shaniqua around your kids?"

Something you see all the time near federal government buildings in DC is two bulldog-jawled black female dacare workers pushing those eight-seater strollers with all-white toddlers around the city sidewalks.

While I never heard of any incidents (the daycare workers are presumably screened federal employees), I don't know how the parents could be comfortable with that arangement.

[The Real Vince]

"Secondly the time period you're citing is when people in general but women specifically had fewer opportunities. Talented and high caliber women don't aspire to be nannies anymore."

This is a good point. For a long while the public education system worked rather well because talented women became teachers as they were barred from other professions. And this is probably one of the reasons why minority women are hired. So, petard and hoisting and all that.

"Would you trust a Shaniqua around your kids?"

You're comparing unlike situations. I would be less likely to trust a black woman named Shaniqua than one named Michelle, but that's neither here nor there because I would not hire anyone based solely on their name, or their race for that matter.

You guys are drawing way too many conclusions from a freak situation. The fact remains a typical non-white nanny is less threatening to the livelihood of your children than swimming pools, or keeping guns in the home.

This is a high profile case because it happened in Manhattan. Like Jack Shafer said, 3 murders at a midwestern university = 1 murder at Harvard or Yale.

[E. Rekshun]

http://www.amnation.com/vfr/

VFR has a close-up picture the nanny and good comments about what her look may tell us. To me she looks like an alcoholic.

[The Undiscovered Jew]

"This is a good point. For a long while the public education system worked rather well because talented women became teachers as they were barred from other professions. And this is probably one of the reasons why minority women are hired."

This is real smart tactics on behalf of HBDers: Become pro-Carribean black immigrant and antagonize white women without knowing anything about the topic of female labor participation. And then "race realists" drool and wonder why they can't get even prole whites to identify with white race realism.

You have no idea what you're talking about re white women's workforce participation. Minority women are hired because they're cheaper, not because there are no white women who wouldn't be happy to be a nanny.

There are tens of thousands of young white coeds buried under college debt in NY (to say nothing of professional nanny agencies) who could have worked part-time as the Krim's nanny instead of this freak from the Dominican Republic.

Only a minority of women work in fields unrelated to Human Resources, marketing, and education. These fields are areas where competitive white men have no interest competing in. Quality white men are fighting other men to become CFO of Big Bank, not a senior administrator for a charter school.

[The Undiscovered Jew]

I don't know if blacks are more likely to develop mental problems than whites, but they are more likely to engage in behavior and come from environments that could trigger mental disorders later on in life such as coming from broken homes, having unstable sexual relationships, using drugs, spending long periods in prison, hanging out with bad influences, etc, etc.

It's just a fact that from a statistical perspective, having NAMs look after white children is taking an unnecessary risk with their safety children's because NAMs have higher levels of social dysfunction.

It was also fool hardy of the Krims to send their children to a bilingual school because peers have more of an influence on children's success in life than parental intervention, even after controlling for IQ.

The more contact high IQ white children have with blacks and non-white Hispanics, the more likely it is they will pick up bad behaviors from NAMs such as early sexual activity (even if they only have sex with other whites), drug use, and criminality and inability to behave in social settings.

The more I read about this case, the more clear it becomes the Krims should be charged with neglegent homicide for putting their children in an environment where they would be statistically more likely to get harmed than if they were placed among whites who could present to them a good example.

[The Undiscovered Jew]

"The wife, Marina (sounds Russian but she grew up in an affluent Southern California family), is a stay-at-home mom. (Her part-time “job” teaching art to children at a local playground isn’t a real job, it’s a hobby.) Why do they have a nanny? Because it’s pretty common for rich men to have non-working wives who still have a nanny."

Ah, well, twas a minor incident compared to the all important objective of gaining social status among SWPLs by demonstrating how "tolerant" you are of the coloreds.

Finding your attractive toddlers mutilated and drowned in a pool of their own blood is a small price to pay for extra bragging rights at the local elite dayspa. After all, didn't uncle Joe tell us you sometimes have to break a few eggs to make an omelet?

[The Undiscovered Jew]

I'm going to have to give the SWPLs a bit of credit, though, for making the "hypocrisy" charge harder to level against them. Before, the SWPLs were blamed for pushing diversity without embracing it themselves.

The SWPLs have at least moved to try to negate that charge by spending more quality time with the black and brown yokels.

Whether it's the Krims wisely refusing to hire a perky blonde from a nearby lib arts college in favor of the fine gal from the Dominican Republic, Lara Logan walking through Tahrir Square dressed like she's strolling through a chic Milan shopping district, or Ambassador Stevens trying to turn Libyans into Norwegians, the SWPLs are at last getting out of their sheltered neighborhoods and trying to lead us all by example.

This also shows that the SWPLs are not being opportunistic in their BS. The SWPLs actually believe their own nonsense because they occupy jobs such as liberal arts departments, think tanks, news organizations, non profit "charities", federal regulatory boards, etc, where they spend their entire careers immune from reality.

It's good to see the crew at the helm of the ship of state aren't insane or evil; instead they are so divorced from reality and preoccupied with their precious academic fantasy universes that they can't tell a ferry from an iceberg.

[Meh]

"There are tens of thousands of young white coeds buried under college debt in NY (to say nothing of professional nanny agencies) who could have worked part-time as the Krim's nanny instead of this freak from the Dominican Republic."

Mrs. Krim might not be so excited about having a hot coed in the house and thus readily accessible to Mr. Krim.

[not too late]

"Mrs. Krim might not be so excited about having a hot coed in the house and thus readily accessible to Mr. Krim."

Especially after what Mrs. Schwarzenegger went through... oh wait.

[Imogen]

The mother did take care of the kids full time. The nanny helped take them to activities and allowed the mother to have some one-on-one time with each child. But perhaps you are suggesting she deserved to have two children brutally slaughtered for that transgression, too?

[E. Rekshun]

Another risk is home health care aides.

Home health aide ran up $1,500 on elderly woman's bank card.

With pics of other miscreant aides. The usual suspects.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/fl-palm-springs-health-aide-20121029,0,6594995.story

[Conquistador]

"Especially after what Mrs. Schwarzenegger went through... oh wait." - not too late

He likes darker women. Think back to Commando, Predator, Total Recall, and Eraser. His female co-stars are often NAMs.

[MoreSigmasThanYou]

The racism here seems to be getting worse. This was a freak crime that really had nothing to do with race.

[HS: Freak crime yes. But I wouldn't be so sure that minority resentment against her rich white bosses didn't have something to do with it. And also, a white or Asian nanny may have acted out on their mental health problems in a less violent manner.]

[Laura]

Whites are non violent huh? It's amazing the level of denial a group of reta- oops, whites can generate. Let's go over the list of crimes peace loving and calm whites have been known to commit the majority of. School shootings, child molestation, serial killing, family annihilation...yes, I feel safe now. Thank goodness there are peaceful, educated whites such as Jeffrey Dahmer, Dylan Klebold, Eric Harris, Charles Manson, and a long long list of other fun and friendly whites that once safely roamed the streets if the good old' USA.