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November 26, 2012

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Only Vietnamese immigrants vote reliably Republican in the US once they gain citizenship.

Sorry, but you're both wrong... as I said in my comment there... more Asians will probably act out in a racialist manner over time after religion is deemphasized. Race is the fallback after religion and the divide will be White, non-White...


The Jew and Asian are converging in economic and political profile. One thing they have in common is a justified fear of an angry White-Identity Christianist mob running the country. So long as the GOP keeps pandering to them and dog whistling on Race and Identity issues, Jewish money and Asian votes will continue to flow Democrat.

And I think part of the reason for minorities not voting for the Republican party is that they see it as the party of white people. I think it's that simple.

There are also most likely differences in the distribution of personality traits among different ethnic groups - my bet it that the core "personality" of the Republican party doesn't appeal to most asians, blacks and hispanics, and never will.

But the business Republicans can't survive without these people. Economic and social conservatives don't necessarily like each other, but they both oppose liberalism, which is almost always both economic and social.

The fact that liberalism is almost always both social and economic shows why conservatism has to be both social and economic. Economic freedom does not work unless most people are circumspect and disciplined in their behavior, and have some sense of decency and obligation to others. People who lead unrestrained personal lives will always want a government to lean on.

"Asians will probably act out in a racialist manner over time after religion is deemphasized"

Indeed. The only conservative Asians I know are devout Christians.

The only conservative Jews are orthodox Jews.

Noticing a pattern. Only religion can fight leftism.

Is it really ludicrous that Asians view the Republican Party as a socially conservative religious party? Murray seems to think so, but I am not sure why. Half Sigma'a whole argument relies on the fact that the Republican Party's overt appeals to religious conservatives harm its broader appeal to hard working professionals and entrepreneurs. If the connection between social and religious conservatism and the Republican Party were invented by liberals to make Republicans look bad, perhaps Murray would be right that nothing essential needs to be changed. But that is not even close to being true. Indeed, of late the Republican PArty has been more of a socially Conservative party than it has been a fiscally conservative one.

The goal of nearly every human being regardless of race is to advance their social status. Asians live in predominately liberal areas (big coastal cities) and in industries that are either liberal or libertarian (silicon valley, academia). And from my experience libertarianism only seems to have any hold whatsoever for white people, so that means they mostly become liberal (they may act conservative, but they identify as liberal).

There is also a coolness angle. Liberalism is hip, conservatism is not. Who doesn't want to be hip and fit in.

"There is also a coolness angle. Liberalism is hip, conservatism is not. Who doesn't want to be hip and fit in."

The fact that people like you make such blanket statements about what "Asians" think and feel, as if you were some kind of botanist explaining an exotic fern species, just confirms my theory: it's not so much that conservative Republicans hate minorities (although some surely do), but that they don't understand them. At all.

Republicans need to become a true populist party: tax the rich mercilessly and starve the poor. Give the working class and middle class anything they want.

"Republicans need to drop the creationism and anti-abortion crap if they want to win over the voters whom they should be winning over. These issues are toxic to many voters who would otherwise vote Republican."

All other things aside, it is not up to the Republicans whether or not they can change this image, because the Democrats and their lackeys in the press and academia will NEVER let the Republicans escape it. The whole basis for the Democrats 2012 campaign was to define the Republicans in terms of this image, when it wasn't even remotely true.

The social conservatives hold too much sway within the Republican Party. It is ridiculous. Steve's much talked about "Sailer Strategy" has no chance of ever working among whites outside of the South due to the excessive pandering that the GOP must do to Social Conservatives (aka bible-thumpers).

I've said this before, it doesn't matter what positions or ideas the Republicans "drop" because no matter what they will always be to the right of the Democrats and thus painted and smeared as extremist anyway. The media is controlled by Democrats and the entire national debate/conversation is shaped by Democrats assumptions and beliefs. It's perception, not policy. Republicans have the image of socially conservative extremists because there is a multi-billion dollar operation dedicated to promoting that image. Republicans have to figure out how to counter this. Saying "look see we're not crazy, we're pro-abortion now" is NOT going to work.

Opening up the Mexican border is not going to work either. Hispanics don't give a shit about Republicans immigration position (many of them even agree with it). Hispanics vote Democrat because they are poor and the Republicans have the image of being the party "of the rich" (which is another meme that exists because of a multi-billion dollar operation pushing it 24/7). Republicans need to counter that image.

Off-topic but here's a NYT story about a real E2/"Out-of-site" guy named Joshua Rechnitz: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/25/nyregion/philanthropist-joshua-rechnitz-keeps-a-low-profile.html?hpw&_r=0

Half Sigma is right. The true elite keep a very low profile. Frank Langella's memoirs make the same point about the Mellon and Kennedy families.

There's no free shit to be had from voting Republican. What have poor whites benefited from voting Republican? And it's not like Republicans punish their enemies when they do win, unlike Democrats like Valerie Jarrett. The Asians are simply making a rational decision. There's nothing to gain by voting Republican, and potentially a lot to lose.

"But Republicans can win over Asians and a higher percentage of whites, if only they stop being the Christian party."

So maybe the problem was that we let in all these asians in the first place? HS, you do realize that America was largely forged in a crucible of Christianity, in promise if not necessarily always in action? Does that fact chafe you?

Yes, part of the reason asians vote Dem is because the GOP is (mostly) unfairly smeared by the leftoid msm as a religious nutjob party. But a bigger reason why asians vote Dem is because they are natural followers and status whores who vote like all the self-annihilating SWPL libs with whom they mingle in the blue cities.

Finally, the biggest reason why minorities of all stripes vote Dem is because the Dems are the anti-majority/de facto anti-white party. In multicult societies like ours, the prime directive for minorities is, and always will be, to cut off at the knees the majority group. It's in-groupism all the way down.

Another dividing line between Republicans and Asians is that the Republican Party seems hostile toward public education. Not every Asian can afford a home in an affluent community or to shuttle their children to private schools. In fact, Asians are more likely to live in urban areas where their kids will attend school with blacks and Latinos. So the commitment that Democrats have to improving public education in urban areas is a real selling point with Asians.

It also doesn't look good when you see Republican figures sneering at teachers unions and "liberal" college professors. It defies the reverence that Asians tend to have for educators. The GOP also needs to abandon, or at least downplay, its culture war with academia.

In your opinion, the only way the GOP can win elections is by becoming another version of the Democrats. Why would any conservative white Christian American vote for a GOP that was just another version of the Democrats?

Quote: "But Republicans can win over Asians and a higher percentage of whites, if only they stop being the Christian party."

You forget that the vast majority of Americans are Christians.

"So long as the GOP keeps pandering to them and dog whistling on Race and Identity issues,"

The GOP is pandering to white people? If so, I'd like to know how.

Romney and the GOP never mentioned affirmative action, called for increased legal immigration, ran numerous Spanish language ads and had a quota convention where any Republican Hispanic or black ever elected to anything was a prime time speaker.

If Romney did "pander" to whites he would be president right now.

"And I think part of the reason for minorities not voting for the Republican party is that they see it as the party of white people. I think it's that simple."

Well, if the GOP is the party of white people, then I suppose it follows that the Democrats are the party of non-whites. I would not be surprised if, let's say, by the 2020 election if the Democrats' platform does not endorse explicit discrimination against whites and men.

Important, semi related de-rail:
The extreme right just scored a massive victory in the Israeli elections. This goes along with extreme movements taking over in the Arab countries and finding increasing success in Europe.

Why is this important? Because it shows that it is only a matter of time before extreme right movements start finding success in the United States as well. Perhaps sooner than we think.

My Japanese wife has major chip on her shoulder with the view that minorities like her are oppressed which is highly ironic considering that Japanese in Japan are the most racially closed off people that you will find on Earth.

The only reason she is conservative is that we are religious.

As an aside, I say tax the hell out of the rich. They are the ones in position to save America and they sure aren't doing it.

"The GOP is pandering to white people? If so, I'd like to know how."

Just review the tape of all the GOP primary debates in 2008 and 2012. The GOP is much more than just Romney.

Asking a Republican to turn his back on Creationism would be like asking a monkey to stop swinging on vines.

"My Japanese wife has major chip on her shoulder with the view that minorities like her are oppressed which is highly ironic considering that Japanese in Japan are the most racially closed off people that you will find on Earth."

Wait a minute, so her views informed by her experiences are invalid because of the supposed racism of a bunch of people who aren't her?

Does she hold you accountable for every stupid thing any white person has done and deny you the right to any opinion at odds with stupid things white people have done?

Ironically she's waking up every morning next to one of the reasons she has a chip on her shoulder.

Indians in the United States are right-wing Indians and left-wing Americans. They support the right-wing Bharatiya Janata Party in Indian politics and the Democrat Party in the United States.

I wonder if other Asians are the same way: right-wing in the mother country and left-wing in the USA.

Kurtosis,

Yes, that's it. Its certainly not like I went to an Asian high school, many of my best friends are Asian, and I lived in Asia for some time. No, we are all just racist red necks.

Here's a hint, SWPLs REALLY hate Asians. Like a lot more then rednecks hate Mexicans.

The GOP needs to get beyond the whole "Stop all immigration, White Christians for the win" image that it projects if it is to get anywhere with the Asian electorate.

Indians, for instance, are mostly legal immigrants to the US, pay their taxes perfectly well, and are socially very conservative. They also make up 3.2 million of the population. But the GOP seems to have done little to attract their vote.


Re: Judaism and Christianity "Only religion can fight leftism".

Islam, however, doesn't fight the leftists. They embrace them.

"My Japanese wife has major chip on her shoulder with the view that minorities like her are oppressed which is highly ironic considering that Japanese in Japan are the most racially closed off people that you will find on Earth".

Asians are the most racially aware people out there. But they love to complain in the Western world as minorities because of their pettiness and status loving behavior. Asians are the most shallow people in this regard. Have you heard Asian men complain about not getting the hottest White women? I have. Don't be surprised by it!

During the Cold War presidential elections (1948-1988) the GOP won 7 and lost 4. Since 1992, the GOP has lost the popular vote in 5 out of six elections, and the only one we won was the post 9/11 election. Economic issues have generally been a net loser for the GOP. Most people want to be taken care of rather than take care of themselves, but the weakness of the Dems on foreign policy worked against them.

I guess we need the Chinese to nuke somebody. Then we'll start winning again.

Dan, why don't you overcome your laziness and do some basic arithmetic, eh? Get back to us in about a week and tell us how much 'revenue' you came up with, and the dent you see it making in the federal 'budget'. Jeez.

Uhh, Republicans are the party of Liberty? Opportunity to get ahead? Economic Growth?
Puhleaze.

Asians are sharp they see a bunch of con men for what they are and that is the Republican party. Piece of evidence #585 - Piece of Shyte Lindsey Ehh, I think we can raise taxes after all Graham,

More to the point, they and all other minorities see the republicans as spineless and weak, it takes a hell of a nerve to complain that the minorities won't embrace policies that republicans jettison at the first sign of trouble.

I just read that the top 5% pay 40% of taxes, assuming that's not too far off, they are paying half what they should since they take home around 80% of the income.

I am happy that I have lived long enough to see the party of Limbaugh and Romney become anathema, I can die now without thinking I got gypped.

>I would not be surprised if, let's say, by the 2020 election if the Democrats' platform does not endorse explicit discrimination against whites and men.

Democratic Party Platform: "We support affirmative action to redress discrimination and to achieve the diversity from which all Americans benefit."

Looks to me like we're already there.

Asians and Jews receive all kinds of money from the federal government to run their minority disadvantaged businesses.

"But Republicans can win over Asians and a higher percentage of whites, if only they stop being the Christian party."

Christianity isn't the reason Asians didn't vote Republican because Romney ran as the corporate CEO candidate, not the God candidate, and went nowhere with Asians. The reason is that Asians don't assimilate as well into Western society as white immigrants.

The conclusion is to stop importing non-white immigrants, including Asians.

"The goal of nearly every human being regardless of race is to advance their social status. Asians live in predominately liberal areas (big coastal cities) and in industries that are either liberal or libertarian (silicon valley, academia)".

Asians are generally irrational and major turn off whiners. Their biggest complaint is that the outmarriage rates with Whites are lopsided. The females marry Whites 10:1 when comparing to the males. The males complain that American society is rigged against them because they can't find any woman who likes them. For them, it's the same type of grievance behavior when it comes to their low acceptance rates at the Ivy Leagues. Their irrationality is due in part to their contradicting combo traits such as high effeminity w/ low beta value, high status worshipping w/ low attractiveness. This is another reason why they vote democratic and lean liberal.

"Asians live in predominately liberal areas (big coastal cities) and in industries that are either liberal or libertarian (silicon valley, academia)."

They also are increasingly balkanized from the rest of the white population.

Ending non-white immigration would actually aid the assimilation process for Asians and Republicans would return to getting 40-50% of the vote.

But without shutting off Asian immigration the Asians will struggle to assimilate because they won't have enough contact with a broad range of white people.

"As I’ve been writing since the elections, Republicans need to drop the creationism and anti-abortion crap if they want to win over the voters whom they should be winning over."

But Romney did win over traditionally GOP groups that defected to the Democrats in the 1990s because of Evangelicals. Romney made gains among college educated whites, white suburbanites, and white suburbanites. In terms of support from high-IQ special interest groups, country club-Republican Wall Street heavily preferred Romney over Obama in terms of campaign donations.

If Romney was able to win over these secular leaning groups why didn't he perform to the historical average with Asians? Christianity can't be the explanation if those other secular groups went for Mitt.

white suburbanites, and white suburbanites.

meant to say

white suburbanites, and white INDEPENDENTS.

"Asking a Republican to turn his back on Creationism would be like asking a monkey to stop swinging on vines."

Is it more ridiculous than believing blacks are genetically as smart as whites?

"Republicans will never win over those Hispanics who will vote Democratic because Democrats give them affirmative action and welfare benefits,"

The Hispanics are welfare bums. They should be paid $100,000 per family member to leave.

"Is it really ludicrous that Asians view the Republican Party as a socially conservative religious party?"

It is ludicrous considering Romney made inroads among comparatively secular groups such as white college graduates, white independents, and Wall Street donors. If those secular groups didn't see Romney as an evangelical then Christianity wasn't the reason Asians voted more Democratic than ever before.

"The GOP also needs to abandon, or at least downplay, its culture war with academia."

No, it's time to defund academia under the cloak of making college cheaper for the middle class.

I say let the fornicating dorm urchins cut class by skipping the gened (this can be done at the state legislature level) to lay off as many Cathedral bureaucrats as possible:

http://www.popecenter.org/commentaries/article.html?id=2763

Restricting general education courses to a select few will be extremely unpopular with some faculty. There are large numbers of teaching jobs at stake: many departments that now teach popular general education courses could lose half or more of their students. If that were to occur, financial sanity dictates that faculty jobs in those programs be cut. (Of course, new jobs will be created at the same time for specialists in the essential subjects.)

Laying off over 50% of all liberal arts professors in America just by imposing price controls on universities, increasing online college options, and eliminating gened reqs for recent high school grads is an attractive idea.

Much more satisfying than getting frustrated with electoral politics. Indeed, defunding as many non-STEM and non-business departments as possible could be one of the best thing Republicans can do to improve their chances at the ballot box.

And this can accomplished with legislation at the state level so there's no need to worry about Congress.

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/11/should-colleges-force-liberal-arts-students-to-pay-more/264417/

Down in Florida, a task force commissioned by Governor Rick Scott is putting the finishing touches on a proposal that would allow the state's public universities to start charging undergraduates different tuition rates depending on their major. Students would get discounts for studying topics thought to be in high demand among Florida employers. Those would likely include science, technology, engineering, and math (aka, the STEM fields), among others.

But Art History? Gender Studies? Classics? Sorry, but the fates are cruel. Unless a university could show that local companies were clamoring to hire humanities students, those undergrads would have to pay more for their diploma.

http://www.popecenter.org/commentaries/article.html?id=2763

Restricting general education courses to a select few will be extremely unpopular with some faculty. There are large numbers of teaching jobs at stake: many departments that now teach popular general education courses could lose half or more of their students. If that were to occur, financial sanity dictates that faculty jobs in those programs be cut. (Of course, new jobs will be created at the same time for specialists in the essential subjects.)

"Just review the tape of all the GOP primary debates in 2008 and 2012"

You didn't answer the question, where are some concrete examples? And the left panders to blacks and latinos openly, why is that ok but pandering to whites isn't? Perhaps the GOP is using dog whistles that someone like me is who is "racist" can't hear, but there's no doubt that the left doesnt even try to hide their hatred of white men. If you and your leftist brethren hate white men so much, go a month without benefitting from any of the white mans inventions.

Half Sigma, for a smart man your political analysis needs help. First of all, more Republicans vote that way for social conservatism than for free market economics. You see all those red states in the middle of the country? They like their Jesus, but don't really care as much about lowering taxes on the rich. Catering to secularism would kill the party.

Second, the Republican party is becoming the white party, and the Dems are becoming the antiwhite party, whether we like it or not. Republicans increased substantially among Jews, white Catholics, white young people while cratering among Asians and Hispanics. The best way for Republicans to win elections is to win more white voters in the Midwest, where they seem resistant. Romney's status as a supercapitalist rich guy who Obama hammered as an outsourcer killed him there.

Unlike Obama with minorities and slutty women, Romney never explicitly pandered to his base. Republicans in the future will need to pander more explicitly to working class Midwestern whites. The best way to do that is anti-immigration, anti-affirmative action, and somewhat more populist economics. Pandering to liberals on abortion or immigration is futile and would fail.

I think that many Asians believe they are clever enough to take advantage of government programs such as Obamacare while avoiding the costs. The asians that are small business owners are probably the best tax cheats in the U.S. The idea of a larger governmnet or higher taxes does not bother them because they do not plan on paying them. However, the Asians will be a great situation to take advatnage of a bigger safety net.

Can Just Speculating ever speak a positive word about Asians? Hard to vote Republican when viewed as a race of petty, status worshiping, shallow, irrational, whining, effeminate, and beta. Throw in violent somehow and I don't think there anymore negative qualities to assign left.

Democrats and liberals - despite what the reality that may exist under the surface - at least present themselves as inclusive and seems to care and its liberal members don't bash Asians with almost every negative quality one can name when they talk in their forums.

@asdf

"Yes, that's it. Its certainly not like I went to an Asian high school, many of my best friends are Asian, and I lived in Asia for some time. No, we are all just racist red necks."

OK. Then every black, latino or asian who has lived among white people in the US are free to make idiotic statements about american whites and not get called out on it.

"Here's a hint, SWPLs REALLY hate Asians. Like a lot more then rednecks hate Mexicans."

Asians have already adopted the jewish model where they no longer give a shit about what SWPLs or rednecks think of them. Economic success + litigiousness works.

"The females marry Whites 10:1 when comparing to the males."

It was never that high, and actually dropping for the reasons that The Undiscovered Jew is citing.

"For them, it's the same type of grievance behavior when it comes to their low acceptance rates at the Ivy Leagues."

You are wrong here again. There is active affirmative action against an already overrepresented Asian cohort at HYP. And if there are any jewish readers, don't imagine that the jewish quota is dead either. It ain't.

"Their irrationality is due in part to their contradicting combo traits such as high effeminity w/ low beta value, high status worshipping w/ low attractiveness. This is another reason why they vote democratic and lean liberal."

Certainly anyone at all as this would vote democratic.

"The GOP needs to get beyond the whole "Stop all immigration, White Christians for the win" image that it projects if it is to get anywhere with the Asian electorate."

There are no Republicans who call for a "a stop to all immigration."

There are no Republicans who even call for reduced legal immigration.

Rather, here is the more typical - almost unanimous GOP stance on immigration:

“One million immigrants legally enter America every year—the largest number of any country in the world. I like that," [Romney tells Hispanics he’ll fix the economy and immigration, By Holly Bailey, Yahoo! News, The Ticket, September 17, 2012]

"The GOP is pandering to white people? If so, I'd like to know how."

Just review the tape of all the GOP primary debates in 2008 and 2012. The GOP is much more than just Romney."

Again, point out an example. Republicans run from all racial issues, never mentioned affirmative action, never called for reduced legal immigration and never appealed to white voters in any way shape or form.

When Obama took sides (his side) in the Trayvon Martin and Skip Gates cases the GOP stayed completely silent.

The only time the GOP mentioned race in the primaries was when Ron Paul said the justice system is "racist" against blacks in terms of the war on drugs and the death penalty. Not one Republican corrected him.

The GOP does nothing for white people and always panders to non-whites so I don't care if they fade away.

But facts are facts and you should point out at least one example of how the GOP panders to whites if you are going to make such a stupid claim.

"Here's a hint, SWPLs REALLY hate Asians. Like a lot more then rednecks hate Mexicans".

To clarify: SWPLs hate Asian men. Go to any liberal city in America and Asian males are generally ignored and kept out in many social functions. Not so with the females, the liberals love them or at least pretend to be.

Can you do something about The Undiscovered Jew's comment spamming? If he wants to write 7 comments in a row he can get his own blog.

"The fact that people like you make such blanket statements about what "Asians" think and feel, as if you were some kind of botanist explaining an exotic fern species, just confirms my theory: it's not so much that conservative Republicans hate minorities (although some surely do), but that they don't understand them. At all."

This 'analysis' is along the lines of what I've seen among leftist Hispanic reactions to the GOP's tentative motions toward amnesty:

"We don't like you because we don't like you. If you want us to like you, you have to get us to like you."

In other words, it's tautological bullshit covering for ethnic animus.

"You don't understand us" = "We'll never vote for you, but give us what we want anyway"

@asdf

"Asians are not a naturally conservative voting block either… they hate and resent whites too. They may be intelligent, but they’re also rather “beta”. I used to subscribe to like 30 asian-american blogs at one time and it turned me from a asiaphile to a asiaphobe."

This is clearly your posting from the AEI blog. If it isn't, this guy is surely doing a great imitation of your schtick. It is regrettable that you formed such a bitter opinion about asians based on reading the rantings of beta geeks on the Inter-Webs.

I suspect that anyone who tried to plumb the mind of white christians by reading stormfront, vdare and similar sites might have a comically perverted perspective of "how white people think."

AE wrote:
"The GOP also needs to abandon, or at least downplay, its culture war with academia."

Right. GOP needs to capitulate to leftists in order to survive. Great thinking.

"There are large numbers of teaching jobs at stake: many departments that now teach popular general education courses could lose half or more of their students. If that were to occur, financial sanity dictates that faculty jobs in those programs be cut."

It's already happening:
http://100rsns.blogspot.com/2011/04/55-there-are-too-many-phds.html

Academia is a hollow shell beginning to implode. When an institution so fanatically beholden to the-powers-that-be starts to crack under its own weight, then you know we're in trouble...

Charles Murray's IQ is too low for HS to be reading him.

"...for a party that is identified with liberty, opportunity to get ahead, and economic growth..."

What is liberty, really? It's just a word for Murray.

"Opportunity..." Opportunity is greatest in Scandinavia, Japan, and Germany. In these places the GOP is rightly viewed as a crazy party.

"economic growth" And median wages haven't increased for 30 y.

Murray speaks with an affected accent. He is ridiculous.

I always laugh when GOP politicians or strategists make much fuss about how minorities, particularly Asians and middle class Hispanics, are "natural conservatives." In their limited imagination, all this ever means is "I assume they're religious and hate gay people."

If the GOP was in any way the identifiable party of small business and hard work and entrepreneurship — if it was led by small businessmen, for example, instead of millionaires and career politicians and Evangelical Christians — then maybe they'd have a case.

But as it stands, the GOP continues to be shocked that nonwhites are uninterested in voting for the Republican Party that actually exists, as opposed to some mythical Republican Party GOP hacks like to imagine they are.

"It's already happening:"

They aren't being laid off fast enough.

The trend could be greatly accelerated. We just need one state to give recent HS graduates attending StateU an excuse to dump all or nearly all of their general education requirements and the mass layoffs in liberal arts will commence because there aren't enough liberal arts majors to make up for the potential loss of non-lib arts majors who are given the option to cut class.

I know there already ways to test out of gened requirements like CLEP testing, but few students know about it. I want a nice easy method to get rid of the gened that almost all college freshmen will jump at. Maybe the state can simply give students the option to skip the gened without testing out or automatically give high school students credit for the 50-60 gened credit hours by having their basic High School classes count for the gened. So high school writing classes would eliminate any college level gened classes, high school history classes would count for college history class credit, etc, etc.

Kurtosis,

"Then every black, latino or asian who has lived among white people in the US are free to make idiotic statements about american whites and not get called out on it."

They already do. It's called all of popular media and everyday conversation.

"Asians have already adopted the jewish model where they no longer give a shit about what SWPLs or rednecks think of them."

You really could have fooled me. If there is one thing I know its Jews and Asians, and let's just say status and perception anxiety is sky high in both.

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No, not me. Though he sounds like he's got a good idea going.

I've known Asians hated whites since the Korean kids in my high school beat the shit out of any non-Korean that walked down their stairwell.

Just Speculating,

SWPL men love Asian women provided they are both of mating age and available. If there is nothing to be gained sexually they are indifferent, or perhaps even hostile if a little Asian girl is pushing their little kid out of some elite private school.

SWPL women HATE HATE HATE Asian women. Asian women are feminine and nothing sets a manjawed lawyercunt off like seeing a superior feminine woman scoop up her men.

Authentic Asian American here weighing in:

-In general, I would say that asian people are genetically more pragmatically minded, and given factually correct information can generally be counted on to make the most logical decision in a given situation. More so than more idealistic minded whites. (IMO liberal asians have more of a dispassionate "scientific/factual" based attachment to the democrat party, while liberal whites have more of an emotional attachment to it.) However, as any reader of HS knows, the citizens of america are universally subject to a gaping black hole when it comes to knowledge (about anything really). That being said, from seeing what my politically "aware" asian friends post on facebook, I surmise that a significant fraction of (younger and well read/educated) asians vote democrat not because of status seeking, but rather because they have "researched" the issue thoroughly (by reading crap like gawker and slate), and have come to the conclusion that the democrat party is the party that best represents national interests. Essentially all I am saying is that the natural pragmatism of asians has been twisted around and hijacked through bad input. Of course...there are also many other reasons why asian americans vote democrat as well. I dont want to give the impression that my explanation is the only valid one.

Also there is a major reason that many asian MALES vote democrat that no one, to my knowledge has brought up yet. Namely the reason is that the democrat party is pretty much explicitly anti-white male. The majority of asian american males (whether they openly admit to it or not), dislike seeing their women poached by white guys. Thus, asian guys see a vote for democrats as a way to get back at white males. I'm not necessarily proposing that they are fully conscious of this, but I can guarantee you that that kind of motivation exists right below the surface. Furthermore, the democrat party is also known as the party of black people (black men). And who else is better at "getting back at whitey" than the black man? So in a nutshell, asian american males also vote democrat in order to empower black males in a proxy war against the white males who are stealing the asian girls. Do you doubt any of this? Then ask yourself why such a large percentage of asian american males are absolutely enamored with rap music and basketball; like I implied earlier, asian american males love this stuff simply because they are trying to live vicariously through "super alpha" black males who can poach the women of the white man that is poaching all the women of the asian men. Basically the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Sexual frustration + feelings of vengeance = democrat voter.

On a related tangent, I think most asian american males see the platforms and ideas espoused by the democrat party as a way to liberate themselves from being seen as nerds, or weak, or effeminate; the ironic thing being that by actually embracing the democrat platform, and trying to fight against racism and stereotypes, etc they actually end up looking more whiny and pathetic than if they were simply apathetic.

Razib already explained why Asians vote Dem:
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/11/religion-determines-politics-for-asian-americans/
They actually don't differ THAT much from the general public on homosexuality & abortion (slightly more "right" on the former, slightly more "left" on the latter). See the Pew survey on Asians & religion Razib links to. But politics is more than just those two questions, it concerns belonging to a larger coalition and non-Christian asians don't feel they belong to the Republican one.

Then why is it nearly mandatory for politicians to identify as Christian to win elections? I think Americans still feel like politicians need to be Christian regardless of their own religious status. No way would a self-proclaimed Atheist ever become a presidential nominee.

Also, it's time for the Republican party to splinter into two parties; the religious right and libertarian-leaning.

Drole Prole,

The libertarian leaning party would be 5% of the electorate, have zero enthusiasm when it came to making actual sacrifices to get legislation passed, and become a defacto part of the leftist coalition when it matched up and irrelevant when it didn't.

TGGP,

I think the relevant question is why Asians are becomming less Christian. Razib's answer seems to be immigration changes. I would add the environment in which they live. Asians became Christian to get ahead, now they are droping it or becoming modern/moderate Christians to get ahead.

On King of the Hill there is a great conversation between Kahn and Ted (both Asian) about religion.

Kahn: Oh hey Ted. I haven't seen you at the Buddhist temple in awhile.

Ted: Oh Kahn, we are Episcopalian now, its just good business.

Asian Anon,

"I would say that asian people are genetically more pragmatically minded"

Yes. A lot of us whites call it opportunistic or amoral. This may or may not be true situation to situation. Asians are less likely to exhibit the best or worst of strong moral convictions. They are the go with the flow race.

"Essentially all I am saying is that the natural pragmatism of asians has been twisted around and hijacked through bad input"

Agreed. This is true for whites too. I will say though that agreeing with the mainstream media narrative when its false is a form of status seeking.

"The majority of asian american males (whether they openly admit to it or not), dislike seeing their women poached by white guys. Thus, asian guys see a vote for democrats as a way to get back at white males"

Yes, and it takes some bravery to admit to this, even though it would be really obvious to a casual observer. Of course lower class whites feel the same about blacks stealing their women. Upper class whites have a nice IQ + income seperation cushion to protect their women (which upper class Asians don't have).

Asian Anon,

Yup on second comment.


@ asdf

"SWPL women HATE HATE HATE Asian women. Asian women are feminine and nothing sets a manjawed lawyercunt off like seeing a superior feminine woman scoop up her men".

I'm not sure about this. I see Asian women socializing with SWPL women at many of the leftist social functions, and they don't seem to be TOO bothered when they are socializing with White males, unlike insecure Asian men who get all riled up when an Asian lady is with a White guy.

White women are still the most sought after, just ask any random NAM or a Asian male and they would likely agree.

@ Asian Anon

"Then ask yourself why such a large percentage of asian american males are absolutely enamored with rap music and basketball; like I implied earlier, asian american males love this stuff simply because they are trying to live vicariously through "super alpha" black males who can poach the women of the white man that is poaching all the women of the asian men".

Asians are irrational and can't think for themselves.

"Sexual frustration + feelings of vengeance = democrat voter"

How do you explain SWPLs and NAMs voting democratic?

"asian people are genetically more pragmatically minded, and given factually correct information can generally be counted on to make the most logical decision in a given situation"

Yeah, ya gotta love the pragmatism and logical-mindedness of Japan's effort to conquer China and then fight the United States and Britain AT THE SAME TIME; of the Great Leap Forward and Cultural Revolution; of North Korea spending 67 years as a starving prison camp; of North Vietnam fighting the United States for ten years, suffering horrendous casualties; of the Khmer Rouge building a mountain of skulls; of over a billion people who still live under Communism in China, Laos, and North Korea; etc etc etc. Unless Asian genetics have somehow changed since all that happened?

"The majority of asian american males (whether they openly admit to it or not), dislike seeing their women poached by white guys. Thus, asian guys see a vote for democrats as a way to get back at white males."

Except they should logically see that the white males who are doing this are generally DEMOCRATS. It is not Bible-thumping white proles who are stealing their women.

Just look at the map: Asian-Americans are mainly concentrated in BLUE (Democrat) areas - West Coast cities, Hawaii, the Washington-Boston corridor, and Chicago.

So, either Asians are illogical, or this explanation is false.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Asian-census_density_map.png

"I just read that the top 5% pay 40% of taxes, assuming that's not too far off, they are paying half what they should since they take home around 80% of the income."

Complete nonsense. In 2010 the top 5%ers' share of national income tax was 59% and their income share 35%.

http://new-cdn.financialsamurai.com.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/toptaxes.jpg

@asdf

"They already do. It's called all of popular media and everyday conversation."

Then you need to get out more. Owing to the nature of my current and past work I have a lot of personal and working relationships with all said groups. Whatever the popular media does, it is not a white-people bashfest with minorities, and they have no reason to be reserved with me.

You sound young. Which is too bad. That's a lot of years ahead of you to be so angry.

"Dan, why don't you overcome your laziness and do some basic arithmetic, eh? Get back to us in about a week and tell us how much 'revenue' you came up with, and the dent you see it making in the federal 'budget'. Jeez."

I think Dan's point was not about balancing the budget. Rather America has been betrayed by the rich, who want either cheap labor or cheap votes, hence immigration. If the rich don't care about defending the country's borders or upholding our traditional law or morality, then screw 'em. Tax the sons of guns down to Soviet levels.

@Asian Anon

You're an idiot

You made half way sense until you got into the 'getting back at the white man' crap. I'm Asian American as well, and the guys I know dates white/hispanic women still consistently vote democrats, care to explain that? And no, I detect no anti-white male bias from them at all, myself included. Asian women aren't even on my radar, so white guys taking asian women is something of a non-issue. I honestly don't care if the ratio is 1000:1, There is no danger of fewer asian women anytime soon.

"You really could have fooled me. If there is one thing I know its Jews and Asians, and let's just say status and perception anxiety is sky high in both."

You are confusing status-anxiety with political security. The Jews and even the Irish didn't get to where they were by being passive. They developed, in a very calculated way, a political thin skin. And it works.

Just Speculating,

Nothing gives you a window into the lives of SWPL women then HBO shows about SWPL women. Let's take a quote straight from episode 3 of "Girls"(which HS noted in hit review). The SWPL woman says to a desirable white man:

"I do not approve of you fucking Coi Sharf. You know what I say about men who fuck Asian women."

In context she is basically insulting him.

JP,

Their leaders told them to. When people say "pragmatic" they mean they do what they are told because its easiest. Thinking for yourself and going against the grain is almost always a bad idea. We lionize the successes but most fail hard.

Kurtosis,

Then you aren't looking very hard.

L,

I've had male Asian friends confess about their sexual anxiety over being Asian. You have to be willfully blind to not see it.

"Economic freedom does not work unless most people are circumspect and disciplined in their behavior, and have some sense of decency and obligation to others. People who lead unrestrained personal lives will always want a government to lean on."

Simplistic. Republicans are against abortion - which saves taxpayers money.

If Republicans want restraint why are they against gay marriage?

Give me some numbers by the way - Do Republican states have more welfare than Democrat states? It would be news to me. Massachuesetts seems most responsible compared to any Republican state you could mention. Funny that.

Please explain.

Conservatives have treated Obama with a high degree of disrespect, questioning whether he is really an American. Asians, like most minorities, understand that experience. They have lived it. Even if they were born in America, people sometimes treat them as if they are not really Americans.

Asians are turned off by the over the top rhetoric routinely used by conservatives, like calling Obama a Kenyan anti-colonialist. They see the implicit racism in that language and it drives them away from the Republican party.

-JP

Judging from your rather acrid response, I'm assuming that you got the impression that I am trying to make asians sound superior or something. If you got that impression then Im sorry, that's not the gist I was trying to convey. As for regards to asian pragmatism and logicalness, you have to consider that the very far end of pragmatism and logicalness is corruption and ruthlessness. What's more, with regards to Japan, IIRC Japan was pushed/goaded into war with the US and britain. As for north vietnam, I don't see anything illogical about them fighting the US for 10 years; whats illogical about not wanting to be pushed around by an international hegemon? As for Khmer Rouge, no comment. I don't know enough about it. Additionally that happened in south east asia, my comment regarding extreme pragmatism and logic mostly applies to north east asians. The south east asian temperament IMO is a bit different. (Comparable to the northern european/southern european split.) Finally, you totally lost me in the part where you still consider people living in china to be still living under communism. That's extremely disingenious, come on, this is half sigma here, not freerepublic. Everyone knows China is not exactly "communist" anymore.

"Except they should logically see that the white males who are doing this are generally DEMOCRATS. It is not Bible-thumping white proles who are stealing their women."

You should consider the fact that the majority of people in america are only marginally interested in politics. People that are relatively well informed about the actual political situation here in america (IE half sigma readers such as yourself and I) constitute a fairly small fraction of the population. Thus, for your average disgrunted asian american male, when he sees a white guy with an asian woman, he doesn't think "oh hey that guys probably a democrat!", rather instead he just sees a plain old white guy. Your average american (regardless of race) doesn't actually view everything in life through a primarily political prism. What's more, in my above post, I tried to imply that asian american males mostly see themselves aligning with the 'vibrant' rainbow coalition faction of the democrat party as opposed to the 'boring', 'plain white bread' faction of the democrat party; thus AAM that seek salvation from the democrat party nominally see themselves as closing ranks with blacks, as opposed to SWPL whites.


-L

There's not really any need to insult me. What's more, I didn't say that all AAM vote democrat because they are insecure, but I did state that its a major underlying factor. Do I think that AAM consciously vote democrat (or at least are sympathetic towards the party) because they want to get back at white males? No. However, I do think it does factor into their thought process on a very primordial level. Anyhow, Speaking as somebody who used to frequent blogs and forums regarding asian american issues, you can easily find that there is no shortage of disgruntled and disenfranchised asian males who are angry about their women being poached and are absolutely positive that its a 'racist!' conspiracy. (In all fairness though, the MSM doesn't really paint AAM in the most flattering light, or at least it didn't used to. Not sure about now > I no longer watch TV) Unsurprisingly, these very same blogs and forums universally lean left and probably help nurture the whole 'racist society' paradigm. That being said, I would not be surprised in the least if there is a significant faction of AAM who support the democrat party partly as a way to get 'back at whitey'. Also remember that the internet is fairly anonymous, so....you will be much more likely to see people's true colors and feelings on here.

Im not trying to be too hard on you, but from reading your post, I do pick up a hint of sour grapes from what you wrote about how you and your friends are pretty much 'above' dating asian women. Is it that you really don't care for asian women? Or is it actually that they won't give you the time of day so you just settle for a nice white girl? (Nothing wrong with that of course.) The ironic thing I've noticed is that in some cases, its actually EASIER for an AAM to get a white/black/non asian gf than it is for them to get an asian girlfriend. Asian chicks can be quite picky! Especially so in America. All that being said, I don't discredit the essential gist of your response. My theory for why asian americans vote democrat is not perfect, and I never said it was, but I do think it helps fill in the gaps of our understanding of the issue. There are of course, as you alluded, other reasons why asian americans vote democrat as well.

"How do you explain SWPLs and NAMs voting democratic?"

When I wrote "Sexual frustration + feelings of vengeance = democrat voter" I was primarily referring to how it applies to AAM, it wasn't meant to be interpreted as a blanket statement.

{Yes, and it takes some bravery to admit to this, even though it would be really obvious to a casual observer. Of course lower class whites feel the same about blacks stealing their women. Upper class whites have a nice IQ + income seperation cushion to protect their women (which upper class Asians don't have)."

-Your last point about SWPLs having a nice IQ + income separation to protect their women (which upper class asians dont have) is genius, I had never considered that before, but you're absolutely right.

The reason why Asians are voting Democrat is simple Democrats have presented themselves better as the party of Asian interests by presenting themselves as the diversity party. Period.

The media have done a great job paint Democrats as the fighters of fairness for minorities while Republicans as a party of idiots and policies against Asians. The image of the Republicans party caring about rewarding hard work regardless of race does not extend outside Republicans. Go around and ask Asians and Democrats of Romney. Cutting out the corporate sellout criticism, everything is is the image of Republicans of being hostile while the Democrats being friendly. This thread about Asians as a bunch of whining, irrational, revenge-voting, beta, losers isn't fighting that image.

When general public information is news stories of idiotic and/or selllout Republicans and anecdotes of Republicans to being against minorities and thus implies of being against Asians. Then add that no one in the general public bring up any hostile actions of Democrats against Asians like Affirmative Action, but only continued advertisement as the party of inclusion. With only having those information. What do you expect one to vote for?

Oh and BTW, the point about Asians being irrational with examples about war. Wasn't there a European counter just a few timeframes before a country thought it was a great idea to attack Russia and end up in a two front war? Didn't the Soviet Union have its own mounter of skulls piled for a while before that? Didn't half of Europe existed under Communism and closer to North Korea style than nominal style of China? Though this doesn't mean I am saying Asians are genetically superior pragmatism. Only a bad argument (though as the above implies, the reasons Asians voted so Democratic this cycle is because of the media framing the Democrats and Republicans and not some revenge-voting streak as that make no sense considering who are the white guys dating the Asian women).

"Then ask yourself why such a large percentage of asian american males are absolutely enamored with rap music and basketball; like I implied earlier, asian american males love this stuff simply because they are trying to live vicariously through "super alpha" black males who can poach the women of the white man that is poaching all the women of the asian men."
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And now I've noticed that more Asians are joining forces with the blacks and Latinos in the "racial justice" movement. It's really pathetic. We're going from a group that people could respect for our intelligence and work ethic to a bunch of whiney losers.

It makes me cringe when I see a Chinese guy or a Korean guy whining about the small percentage of Asians who aren't successful and trying to pretend they have some sort of special bond with black people. But then when I see how whining and throwing a fuss seems to work for black people, I can see why they might prefer it to working hard for success.

"SWPL women HATE HATE HATE Asian women. Asian women are feminine and nothing sets a manjawed lawyercunt off like seeing a superior feminine woman scoop up her men."

Not to mention that the Asian women that SWPL men usually date are just as educated and make just as much money (if not more) than the lawyercunt... all without giving up ANY of their femininity. This is something that has always puzzled me about white women: they think they have to be strong as an ox (figuratively speaking) to compete with the men they hate. Most Asian women think that white women like that are just crazy.

Asians were solidly Republican (to an even greater extent than whites) until the mid 90's. Bill Clinton was largely responsible for making it cool to be a Democrat again and that broke the monopoly. Bush's "compassionate conservatism" further drove Asians away because even though Asians behave in a socially conservative manner, they are turned of by social conservatism in politics because it's like being preached to. Asians don't NEED to care about issues like abortion because we are largely unaffected by the "decline in family values" as it is. Talking about those issues makes a politician seem low class, and that's a big turn-off for Asian voters.

If Republicans want to win Asians again, they need to do things that appeal to SWPLs: go left of the Democrats on abortion and other token social issues that appeal to libertarians, and they need to go right on affirmative action. SWPLs and Asians who are "liberal" in name only secretly HATE 47%ers, so fiscal conservatism is fine: just make it sound like a zero-sum game. Say things like "If we spend all this money on welfare programs, we'll have to cut funding for high-speed rail and high school AP classes. Which do you want?" The same way Republicans talk about "good schools" and "peaceful neighborhoods" when talking to white conservative suburbanites.

Dreamer

-As I said earlier when responding to somebody else, most people don't view everything through a political prism. Thus, most asian american guys are not politically aware enough to see a white guy with an asian woman and surmise that the white guy is a democrat. The thought processes of most americans don't work that way, unless they happen to be politics nerds such as ourselves.

"the point about Asians being irrational"

Yes, Asians are known to be irrational because of their status loving behavior that translates into a pandering of White people. As consumers, they overinflate real estate prices in desirable neighborhoods with a White majority, are adamant in attending elite schools with Whites, and would find ways to rig the system if these things don't get their way. Just look at the recent scandal at Harvard where a Chinese couple bribed a former professor so their children could attend the school. Ironically, their pandering to Whites causes a White flight, where the same people who represent their view of prestige do not want to be associated with them.

@Asian Anon,

"with regards to Japan, IIRC Japan was pushed/goaded into war with the US and britain."

Even if one accepts that, so what? The pragmatic, logical thing to do was to REFUSE to be goaded and NOT to declare war on vastly superior enemies.

"As for north vietnam, I don't see anything illogical about them fighting the US for 10 years; whats illogical about not wanting to be pushed around by an international hegemon?"

Not liking the USA was logical. Fighting them, on the other hand, was totally illogical. North Vietnam's decision to fight reflected not pragmatism but the entirely non-pragmatic, non-logical ideals of nationalism and communism. The pragmatic thing to do would have been to do what the Chinese counseled Hanoi to do, which was to accept the Geneva Accords.

Incidentally, North Vietnam began infiltrating Laos, Cambodia, and South Vietnam in 1959, LONG before the US started "pushing" North Vietnam, so it is incorrect to argue that North Vietnam fought the USA as a response to the USA pushing them.

"Finally, you totally lost me in the part where you still consider people living in china to be still living under communism. That's extremely disingenious, come on, this is half sigma here, not freerepublic. Everyone knows China is not exactly "communist" anymore."

The commanding heights of the economy are under the control of the CCP: heavy industry, defense, transportation, and finance. They are centrally managed by party leaders. Anyone who thinks China is not a Communist country is a fool.

@Dreamer,

"the point about Asians being irrational with examples about war."

I was not making the argument that Europeans are logical and pragmatic. I was making the argument that history clearly shows that Asians are NOT inherently logical and pragmatic, contrary to what AA said.

Indeed, when someone says they are "pragmatic", it is usually a dead giveaway that they are an ideological zealot who is such a blind follower that they think their dogma is just "common sense".

@Asian Anon

What you said who not know the white guy dating an asian girl is not a Democrat is the older group who wouldn't care. The cohort you are talking about - the young to middle age Asian males - are decently politically aware. Also if Asians males are perceptive enough to notice that so many of the pairing seems to be not just white guys but ectomorphs and likely nerdy, then the group are you talking about are able to tell most of those guys are Democrats and calculated accordingly - consciously or subconsciously as you say.


The reason Asians are voting Democrats heavier despite shared social values is simply your input argument. The politically aware Asians will gather them directly, but from the mainstream news. The apolitical will hear indirectly, but all the people will talk about is how Republicans want to kick immigrants out and the latest diversity-type initiative by a Democrat. The result is the same, a picture that the Democrats are the party for minorities - which leads to automatic assumption that it includes Asians. The other picture is the Republicans are the party who wants to kick all Asians out of the country.

The solution is (relatively) simple. Having a few less candidates that talk about rape and abortion helps. But the real key is finding a way to break what popular media paints the two parties. That means breaking the "Social Justice" framing the Democrats paints that brings Asians because minorities should identify with only minorities and the negative images of Republicans. All the positives images like being the party of hard work are only seen by Republicans and only the political ones at that. Meanwhile everyone is exposed to the positive images of Democrats (and almost none of negative images unless you include lazy hippie memes spread three decades ago)

^

Wow...white women hating white men? Asian men getting back at white men by allying with super alpha black males?

We've now officially cross into Bizarro land.

azn trollboi:
"One thing they have in common is a justified fear of an angry White-Identity Christianist mob running the country."

is the anger of the gentile whites justified? or is justification only a feature of your tribe?

ps diversity + proximity = war. thanks for playing!

@white nationalist

"is the anger of the gentile whites justified?"

Whether or not it is justified, it's a cause for concern.

"diversity + proximity = war."

I'll agree with this. But diversity + proximity + restrictions on race-baiting = singapore. We'll never have such restrictions on speech in this country. But we do shame racists and agitators into staying on good behavior.

Few things in the blogosphere are better than a good flame war over Asian male SMV on Sigma's hacienda.

Some points:

1) While I'm sure there is sexual frustration because of the lopsided outmarriage ratio, I haven't noticed much Asian American desire to rebel on the part of second and third generation Asian Americans.

Among Northeast Asian men, even the second and third generation are exceptionally deferential and docile in their social interactions by European standards. Some desire to rebel may be more common amongst lower IQ, non-Indian Southeast Asians such as Filipinos and Thais because they have more NAM like qualities.

However, those same NAM like qualities might make Southeast Asian non-Indian men may be better at holding onto their own women than Northeast Asians. The high IQ Asians are more adapted to a very rigid social hierarchy where obedience to elders is more valued than in the West or in the third world parts of Asia.

2) I've been told numerous times and without any prompting by me by second and third generation Asian American women acquaintances that they don't like their men and only date whites.

3) Asian American women are gaining weight fast (stop eating carbohydrates!).

4) I'm noticing more Asian women with black men.

5) Just Speculating has called Asian men effeminate. I don't agree that this is the right word because because Northeast Asian men are too emotionally flat to be called feminine since a major characteristic of femininity is emotionally instability and egocentrism. Again, I'd say the reason Asian men score so low on desirability is because they are too obedient and deferential.

6) It's been pointed out Republicans won 40-50% of the Asian vote before the 2000s. Again, I point out that during the 1990s and 1980s, Asian Americans were more dispersed and less balkanized than today because there were fewer of them. If you want to assimilate Asians then the best policy would be to end non-white immigration because it would allow Asians to associate more with whites and make it harder for them to concentrate in ethnic ghettos.

"diversity + proximity + restrictions on race-baiting = singapore."

Or Yugoslavia. As long as Tito remained alive.

axn trollboi:
"Whether or not it is justified, it's a cause for concern."

if gentile white anger is a cause for concern, then so is non-white spite and ball-spiking like yours. come on, brah, we can play this game all day.

"I'll agree with this. But diversity + proximity + restrictions on race-baiting = singapore."

who said anything about restrictions on race-baiting? i don't want to throw angry anti-white hucksters in jail for spewing their filth. i want them to parade it for all the world to see!

"We'll never have such restrictions on speech in this country."

actually, we may. and if and when that day comes, you can thank Diversity, Inc.

"But we do shame racists and agitators into staying on good behavior."

spot the irony.

TUJ:
"1) While I'm sure there is sexual frustration because of the lopsided outmarriage ratio, I haven't noticed much Asian American desire to rebel on the part of second and third generation Asian Americans."

asians may be more deferential and obedient, but they have their own ways of rebelling. many of the men have a lot of repressed anger issues that, when it expresses, expresses in emotionally volatile ways that freak people out. another way asians have of rebelling is voting against the core of america, something which they proudly did at 70%+ rates this last election, an anti-white, anti-christian, anti-rural attitude which they share in common with the rest of their minority (soon-to-be majority) brethren.

"2) I've been told numerous times and without any prompting by me by second and third generation Asian American women acquaintances that they don't like their men and only date whites."

i've heard this too from asian girls i've dated. but of course that sample is skewed by the possibility that they were trying, in their own weird way, to impress me.

"3) Asian American women are gaining weight fast (stop eating carbohydrates!)."

her natural slenderness is the asian woman's greatest asset, and when it goes under a layer of blubber, she loses that inborn advantage she has in the sexual marketplace, because her worst features -- the flat butt and moon face -- get exaggerated to an unfortunate degree by even small amounts of weight gain.

"4) I'm noticing more Asian women with black men."

me too. and some of these black men are borderline thug, typically club owners and the like. but the asian girls with these guys are not the nerdy withdrawn types, but the really hot ones who can skank it up as well as any white or black girl.

"5) Just Speculating has called Asian men effeminate. I don't agree that this is the right word because because Northeast Asian men are too emotionally flat to be called feminine since a major characteristic of femininity is emotionally instability and egocentrism. Again, I'd say the reason Asian men score so low on desirability is because they are too obedient and deferential."

it's more accurate to say asian men are androgynous instead of effeminate. it's the androgyny, coupled with the deference and all that entails, which is a turn-off for a lot of non-asian women, and perhaps a significant number of asian women as well.

"6) It's been pointed out Republicans won 40-50% of the Asian vote before the 2000s."

which is still a majority voting against the american "core".

"Again, I point out that during the 1990s and 1980s, Asian Americans were more dispersed and less balkanized than today because there were fewer of them."

if this is true (I don't know), then what we can theorize is that in any multiracial society, a minority group's instincts for in-groupism get dampened by the lack of, or perceived lack of, an in-group support network aka booster club.

"If you want to assimilate Asians then the best policy would be to end non-white immigration because it would allow Asians to associate more with whites and make it harder for them to concentrate in ethnic ghettos."

you make a lot of sense TUJ. not that making sense is very difficult in these troubled times; all it requires is a willingness to dispense with bullshit in one's life.

asdf, check out the Pew link. It does not show Asians defecting from Christianity, in fact Christianity gains a bit of net from conversions. Buddhism is the biggest loser, with most converts from it (as well as other asian religions) opting for "No religion". If you're arguing that the net conversion gain was higher for Christianity in the past, you might be right. But since Buddhists, Hindus & "no religion" all seem to vote Dem, I think immigration of those populations best explains the partisan shift.

Men seem willing to go after anything in a skirt, but women are highly racially discriminatory in dating (Tierney had a piece in the NYT about a study showing this a while back). The exception is that asian women don't give their co-ethnics a boost vs white men, which is why we see so many white male-asian female pairings. Black women are the most discriminatory, which is odd since they've got the smallest pool of eligible bachelors to choose from. n/a at race/history/evolution notes likes to point out that the (largely male) racialist blogosphere hyperventilates about black male-white female pairings, but numerical it's white males with asian & hispanic females who do the most race-mixing.

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