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November 06, 2012

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Agreed. *Sigh* Would have been such a glorious victory...

Romney was the best candidate in terms of elect-ability and alpha sex appeal that the Republicans could muster up. Romney ran a very shrewd and calculated campaign that was admirable but unfortunately, his arms were tied by the traditional Christian Republicanism rhetoric and Romney was ultimately unable to re-frame the debate.

Obama and the Leftist Coalition proved to be too strong to overcome. Republican leadership needs to take a strong look their policies if they are ever going to win another national election again. They must realize that they need to get all of the White vote and in particularly, White women.

My personal advice for 2016:

Run a hunky bachelor.

Well this sucks.

Who cares if the Republicans win, if they just offer slower socialist drift?

That wont get me to the polls.

This is condescending and stupid. I have yet to hear how Romney would've advanced your agenda one iota.

Serious statisticians called this well before you, don't try to take credit now.

Also: Consider that Roissy is an idiot, please stop kissing his ass. His alpha/omega crap was interesting for a time several years ago.

Pat Buchanan has been right. He declared that this would be the last presidential election that Republicans would ever contest. If they couldn't win this one, they will never win.

I was walking to the polls today and a volunteer from the Obama campaign actually gave me a ride and then took me back home. I was impressed by the Obama campaign's groundwork. I have a feeling he's going to win too.

***I have yet to hear how Romney would've advanced your agenda one iota.***

@ Dr. Grzlickson

He wouldn't have appointed racial socialists to the Supreme Court.

http://www.halfsigma.com/2009/06/ginsburgs-dissent-in-ricci-v-destefano.html

Fraud, fraud and more fraud

Why would America want to become more like Europe? Europe is going down the crapper. In 40 years (if not sooner) Europe might be a bankrupt, Muslim majority hellhole.

There is no place left to run to.

" And more Democratic power means more immigration which means more Democratic votes."

Did Republicans stop immigration.?

They are also just as PC and for diversity as the Dems.

Europe is finished, too. The just arrested a guy in the UK for making a monkey gesture at a soccer game.

You arrest somebody for this?

It's only going to get worse for whites and the so called conservatives will not do anything about it either.

HS, I fear you are correct about our changing demographics translating into a permanent Democratic minority. My solution: find a hunky Black Christian Republican to run in 2016.

Signed, unmarried Jewish fiscally conservative female in Manhattan (yes, we exist!)

Oops. I meant to write a permanent Democratic "majority".

White women couldn't give up on their black man sex fantasy. I've said it before and I'll say it again women shouldn't vote.

I hate to say it but i think you're right about this election being over. I can't believe so many people would vote for Obama after Fast&Furious, Benghazi, crappy economy, etc. I guess that's what comes from 90% of journalists being leftists.

But I don't think it will be the last GOP president. The Dems will likely dominate the white house and, therefore, the supreme court. While the GOP will dominate congress for a while. The party that DOESN'T hold the white house usually picks up seats in congress. Because it's easier for a president to piss people off.

Eventually, something will happen to reshuffle the deck the way it did during the Nixon and Kennedy elections. If things get bad enough the GOP will change one of its core principles to become more electable. For example, the GOP is currently fiscally and socially conservative. But they might switch to fiscally conservative and socially libertarian like Ron Paul. You may not like Paul but that combination does poll well. And Margaret Hoover has been pushing that line in a book called "American Individualism" -- a title obviously borrowed from one of her great grandfather Herbert Hoover's books.


On the other hand, when a party dominates it tends to become more extreme until it goes too far and people backlash. So the Dem's success could also be their undoing.

And, last but not least, there is nothing like being out of power to make people bitter and resentful and, dare I say it, more racial.

Assuming Obama wins, well what did the republicans expect? During a veritable depression marked by a continuing loss of jobs to China and India, why lets put a silver spoon freak on the ticket who made his fortune with daddy's contacts and outsourcing jobs to China, Brilliant.
It seems whenever I brought up Ron Paul during the primaries, I was constantly told that he could never win. The republicans could have at least had some principles with a guy who at least shows some consistency and actually pays attention to the constitution sometimes but noooo had to go with the mormon dog torturing fag basher, Outstanding.

Republicans lose because they are basically morons.

That said, I kind of hope Romney pulls it out so he can break every promise he made, declaring China a currency manipulator on the first day, puhlease.

Just shows how stupid the capitalists who run the GOP were in believing that it was a good idea to replace the white working class with cheaper illegal immigrants from Latin America. It is morning in America for non-white socialists.

Quote: "They must realize that they need to get all of the White vote and in particularly, White women."

Single white women are natural socialists. The only way the Republicans will ever win their votes is by becoming more leftwing than the Democrats.

"You may not like Paul but that combination does poll well"

No it doesn't. Leave the nerdy side SWPL echo chamber. Libertarians are a fringe movement that has never had power ever.

@HS: "I can't see how Republicans can ever win again."

The current Republican coalition may no longer be capable of getting to 270 electoral votes. It may take a few election cycles, but eventually they'll get tired of losing and adjust their coalition. The process won't be fun or pretty.

@ destructure

If Bush could get reelected after the WMD fiasco anybody could.

Conquistador

I disagree about the fantasy thing. Men are much more willing to date & marry outside of their group than women. But I've always secretly believed women's suffrage was a mistake. It wasn't until women got the vote that all this entitlement sh!t started.

@Conquistador

That's only because the democrats ran John Kerry, who's as bad a candidate as Romney. If you really think about it though, that was a gift for democrats that Kerry lost.

The only question is whether a candidate can get more of the White vote? Could a candidate theoretically get more of the White vote? I'm not sure.

Beyond that, is it feasible for parts of the country to go their own way? Or am I just dreaming (sigh)?

Republicans need to start thinking about how to widen their coalition or else they will become a regional party.

This may not be the end of Republican presidents but it will likely be the end of two white males on a presidential ticket.

"I can't see how Republicans can ever win again."

Sure they can. They just need a Hispanic candidate. Hispanics love their handouts, but they tend to be very socially conservative and would vote for one of their own on a GOP ticket. The GOP should be courting Hispanics like nobody's business.

The only way to beat the race card is to play it.

Good night and good luck.

"I can't see how Republicans can ever win again."

Might require the two major parties to break into three, like in the UK.

I predict the next four years will be a catastrophe and the GOP will win 2016 purely by default. Especially if they nominate a good candidate like Susan Martinez.

This is the end of the America. The New America, full of warring, quarrelsome ethnic groups tearing at each other, can drown in its own blood for all I care.

Why does the North East go so overwhelmingly blue?

Obama wins. The Republicans will expand their majority the House of Representatives. We will have gridlock.

Republicans economic policies are just fawning over the wealthy and large corporations. Politicians like Bush have good social skills and can trick enough poorer people into thinking otherwise but awkward ones like Romney cant.

@destructure: "It wasn't until women got the vote that all this entitlement sh!t started."

Oh man, I hate feminism as much as the next rational person but this is total shit.

Look at the first election in Britain after women got suffrage. The conservatives won - why? Because the vote was restricted to women over age 30, who were mostly married. They voted more Conservative than their husbands!!

The welfare state was a creation of working class men, during the Depressions of the late 19th century, and of course, the Great Depression.

It's dumbfucks like you that give conservatism a bad name.

I'm sick and tired of listening to assholes like you. Stew in your own dumb shit. Yeah blame women. The fact is that Romney sucked as a candidate.

"Ohio looks like it’s going for Obama.

Obama has stronger showing in Pennsylvania than I thought."

I'm amazed so many white proles in dying industrial parts of the Midwest voted for Obama considering how he's destroying the coal industry.

"Hispanics will vote Democratic because Democrats give them stuff."

I don't think Romney lost because of the Hispanic vote, it's probably only 7% of the vote this year with whites still being high 70s or low 80s (the white vote was 77% in 2008, not 74% as some have claimed.) It appears he underperformed among whites.

"I can't see how Republicans can ever win again. The white population is shrinking."

The Hispanic vote is likely to remain a minor part of the electorate even in 2016.

What matters is the white vote.

On the plus side I saw for the first time many mainstream Republicans on freerepublic and ace of spades blame their defeat on demographic changes, explicitly - although it's not clear that immigrants were the key factor in this loss considering how small an influence they are. It was probably an underperfomance in the white vote, maybe because Romney shifted his focus to longshot states like Pennsylvania and Michigan.

Still, it's good to have mainstream Republicans finally discussing demographics.

Maybe Larry Auster is right that 4 more years of Obama will break the mainstream Republicans and bring them over to HBD.

"Sure they can. They just need a Hispanic candidate."

There's no way to win Hispanics.

However, as I wrote before, mainstream GOPers are blaming the defeat on demographics (though the odds are it was the white vote that fell short). Maybe Auster is right that we need another 4 years of Obama to get HBD/race realism into the mainstream.

Remember that whites could easily change the course of the country if only they want to do so.

This is the beginning of the end of the United States of America. It was fun while it lasted.

There won't be a unified American nation left in another thirty years or so.

Sic transit gloria mundi.

@chesswife,

>>>Sure they can. They just need a Hispanic candidate. Hispanics love their handouts, but they tend to be very socially conservative and would vote for one of their own on a GOP ticket. The GOP should be courting Hispanics like nobody's business.

The only way to beat the race card is to play it.<<<<

WTF you been these past 12 years? The Republicans have been courting the Hispanic vote like nothing else. Where has that gotten them? Hispanics are not natural conservatives, either social or fiscal.

SWPL liberals are amazing. They truly believe that the colored of the world love them. Unlike malformed prole whites, they get this "race" thing. All a SWPL has to do is adopt the correct attitude towards the colored and all will be alright. The colored will react positively to benevolent SWPL kindness. Well, get your head out of your liberal bunghole. Here is some sorry news; Hispanics hate you. So do Asians. So do Muslims. They seek to dominate you, and unless you recover from your liberal stupor they will. The poor Krims learned this in a most extreme and hard way.

"We will have gridlock."

Good.

I encourage everyone to check Ace of Spades, freerepublic and other websites. This is the first time I've seen mainstream GOPers blame shifting demographics.

Why do you people think a working class white person ought to vote for Romney over Obama? All I can see is the possibility that they will get a Supreme court that overturns racial preferences (in higher education and across the board). This is a Supreme court that would be even more likely to screw them over in a host of other ways.

The disparity between the way Romney would elevate the wealthy over the working class dwarfs the ways that Obama would elevate black over white in terms of actual group outcomes and possibly be about equal in terms of dead weight loss to the economy.

So I say is again: why do you people think a working class white person ought to vote for Romney over Obama?

@Undiscovered Jew

Those 'white proles' voted for Obama because his auto bailout saved their jobs.

This isn't rocket science.

"They must realize that they need to get all of the White vote and in particularly, White women."

On average white women trail white men in vote by only 5 - 6 points.

>>So I say is again: why do you people think a working class white person ought to vote for Romney over Obama?

He shouldn't and he didn't.

The only way to get more Hispanic votes is for GOP to become more socialist and Anti-White. So what good does that do? No, I think this is a watershed election. People need to accept that those that wanted to flood country with non-Whites won, because all our elites embraced a non-White America.

Or should I say, Anti-White America.

"George W. Bush may go down in history as the last Republican president ever."

You don't think the Republican party can reform itself?

The Republican party today is totally different than the Republican party of the 1950s, 1960s, 1970s or 1980s. The Republican party is the party of Abraham Lincoln. The Republican party today is a out growth of the Nixon Southern strategy. Republicans took the "sold South" away from the Democrats and made the South solidly Republican, but it cost Republicans support outside the South.

The largest mistake of the Republican party in the last ten years has been their approach to immigration. Bush understood this and wanted to bring up a comprehensive immigration reform that included a path to citizenship for illegals. Bush won large numbers of Hispanic votes in Texas. The Republican hard line anti-immigration approach has pushed Hispanics into the Democrats arms.

Pete Wilson did the same thing in California with prop 187, and pushed California to be a solidly Democratic state.

This is the beginning of America as Neo-Brazil. Republicans have got to 1.lay off the gays/abortion issue and 2.become economic protectionists. Unless they get some of the votes of white SWPLs and midwestern white proles, they will never be relevant again.

The minority presence matters because it affects the number of electoral votes a state has. If you removed all of the immigrants, then how do electoral votes in each state change?

@ jay

People like you are why we can't have unmoderated comments.

Moreover who gives a fuck about the UK? In America the first thing women's suffrage led to was social engineering Prohibition.

If Romney ran a better campaign he could have won. He needed to do a better job of explaining how his policies were better for the economy, jobs, and the middle class. Romney was hampered by some of his dumber positions he took in the primary.

If the next four years go by poorly and the Republicans come up with policies that aren't unappealing to Hispanics then they will definitely have a great chance. I think someone like Christie could do well with Hispanics and win easily if the economy stays bad under Obama.

I have no love lost for liberals, but by god, instead of talking about sex fantasies, why doesnt anyone see the obvious issue WRT the woman vote - the GOP is a party of male A-holes who are always talking about restricting abortion rights and contraception, while making irritating comments about rape and "sluts". No educated woman is going to vote for that.
All the other gimmedat business is secondary.

"Why do you people think a working class white person ought to vote for Romney over Obama?"

Because he's wrecking the coal industry and the energy industry in general. An awful lot of Rust Belt proles would have benefited from the Keystone pipeline, etc, etc.

"Those 'white proles' voted for Obama because his auto bailout saved their jobs."

He's destroyed more jobs with his energy regulations. And as far as the auto bailouts go the auto companies that were supposedly saved may still be tipped into bankruptcy again.

"If you removed all of the immigrants, then how do electoral votes in each state change?"

I think it would be a wash. Without Hispanic immigrants Ohio would have extra electoral votes that went to Florida and Texas. But Romney lost Ohio anyway.

"If Romney ran a better campaign he could have won. He needed to do a better job of explaining how his policies were better for the economy, jobs, and the middle class. "

They weren't, that was why he couldn't explain. This isn't rocket science, here.

Show of hands, who here called Nate Silver an idiot? I should've put money on his predictions.

"If the next four years go by poorly and the Republicans come up with policies that aren't unappealing to Hispanics then they will definitely have a great chance."

non-white Hispanics will never vote GOP. Bush pandered to Hispanics even more than Obama but he never got more than 35-38% of Hispanics.

We need a white America demographic policy, not pandering to non-white immigrants who will never vote GOP.

For the idiots here who are arguing that the GOP must come up with policies that are appealing to Hispanics if they want to win, the only way for the GOP to win the Hispanic vote is for it to become even more leftwing than the Democrats.

"No, I think this is a watershed election. People need to accept that those that wanted to flood country with non-Whites won, because all our elites embraced a non-White America."

Auster was probably right that we need an Obama second term so we can hit rock bottom like the USSR did to have any chance of rebuilding.

Fortunately, there are lots of disasters Obama will be unable to deal with or will make worse. On the economic front, there's no money left to fund his Obamacare plan, Europe's banking system could implode at any moment and take the world banking system down with it, China is slipping into a Japan like recession and Japan is still comatose.

"I'm amazed so many white proles in dying industrial parts of the Midwest voted for Obama considering how he's destroying the coal industry."

Maybe one of the reasons the WWC votes Democrat is because the Republicans are infested with jerkoffs like you who call them proles.

Fuck you, Conquistador. "Who gives a fuck about UK?" is the sort of thing that a totally illiterate asshole would say. If you want to study parliamentary democracy, you study UK. Suffrage for females did not result in an expanded welfare state.

Look at the US you dumb dick. The welfare state was created during the Great Depression when the WHITE WORKING CLASS, mostly men, voted for FDR four times. Then came the Great Society under LBJ.

Regarding Prohibition, do some fucking reading asshole. Prohibition was a major reform movement supported by both men and women. The Prohibition party was headed by men.

Prohibition was the 18th Amendment, while the Amendment extending the vote to women was the 19th Amendment.

Blaming social welfare benefits on women is lazy stupid thinking.

Keep talking this way, blaming women for the defeat of the Republican party, and see how far that'll get you.

I look forward to your next review of 'Girls', HS. Don't you realize that the perverted immoral world of 'Girls' is the problem?

This column by Peter Hitchens on the night of Barack Obama's 2008 victory over the hapless John McCain seems apropos for this (even more dispriting) election night.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1084111/PETER-HITCHENS-The-night-waved-goodbye-America--best-hope-Earth.html

"The night we waved goodbye to America...our last best hope on Earth"

Oneauto: I dont know about access to and funding of contraception but women are actually more anti abortion than men. Its worth keeping in mind that highly visible, professionally accomplished women are substantially to the left of women in general and are an especially poor representation.

The democratic position on reproductive issues is deeply flawed. Its not right that women control the reproductive process and that goes double when the government pays for it. If women want to be supported as a mother than they need to find a man who wants to be a father and has the personal and financial wherewithal to do it. The government shouldnt replace fathers.

"Maybe one of the reasons the WWC votes Democrat is because the Republicans are infested with jerkoffs like you who call them proles."

Republican politicians never call blue collar whites proles and most Republican voters are supportive of proles.

"we need an Obama second term so we can hit rock bottom like the USSR did to have any chance of rebuilding."

Except everyone expects major economic improvement in the next four years regardless of who holds the office (spoiler: it's Obama). Rock bottom was what we had with Bush.

The Undiscovered Jew: So the list of reasons the white working class should support Romney is now up to two. Romney would support dirty, dangerous, environmentally destructive jobs for a some working class whites.

The working class who get jobs get the job and and the negatives. The working class without the jobs get cheaper energy and the negatives. And the rich get cheap energy and run away from the negative consequences.

@ jay

Drop the belligerent tough guy act. You aren't convincing anyone and it's embarrassing. I'd expect bravado like yours from a teenager. Moreover women had a lot of political power well before it became formally recognized. Considering the 18th and 19th amendments were passed close together I'd say I'm right.

I also never made any claims about the welfare state although women of all races are the biggest consumers of it nowadays.

@mikeca

>>>Pete Wilson did the same thing in California with prop 187, and pushed California to be a solidly Democratic state.

I am glad that you brought up Pete Wilson. Your comment reveals a certain ignorance on the matter. Pete Wilson did more to effect Hispanic immigration into this country than any living politician. Pete Wilson single-handedly (at the behest of California agricultural interests) scuttled the main enforcement mechanisms of the 1986 immigration amnesty law (Yes. We've already been down that road with amnesty and it doesn't work. It just encourages more immigration). Whereas about 300,000 should have qualified for immigration under the amnesty, with strong enforcement mechanisms, by the time Wilson was through with the law over 4 million were eventually amnestied with most enforcement mechanisms against further illegal immigration neutered. Thank you Pete Wilson. No, there should be a plaque to Wilson in every dusty, forsaken Mexican town because he is the single reason why so many Mexicans have come here over the past 30 years. Thank you Pete Wilson? No, fuck you Pete Wilson and all you shortsighted Republican assholes who are just as much responsible for the mess we are in as the Democrats.

America is no longer a real country. It is a spoils mentality state. Republicans need to adjust to that spoils mentality.

1) Protectionism. All off-shore outsourcing must end. Global free trade does not exist and does not work in theory or in practice. Tariffs should be put up to compensate workers who have suffered losses. Republican mantra: if you want to sell it in the United States, then you will build it in the United States, using American workers.

2) No more immigrants. No more immigration and the existing immigrant population is to be removed. Protectionism should benefit American workers. If you can send remittances or benefit from family reunification, then you can go back to your own country.

3) Our young people are suffering from crushing school debt. They should be allowed to discharge their debts, either in bankruptcy or not. The use of college as an artificial indicator of competence needs to end and the best way to start is to peel away the youth vote in something tangible.

4) Republicans have to start going back and supporting building trade unions. Unions in coal, oil and other businesses.

5) The great thing about this policy is that it allows an end-run around climate change. You can denounce climate change as nonsense but, once American manufacturing is brought back under American legal control, you can give the option of regulating business sometime in the future.

In addition to the above, every policy should be crafted to destroy and impoverish the Left, starting with the education policy. For example, legalized peer-to-peer file-sharing should become common.

Conquistador: THere is nothing wrong with the welfare state. Look at the UN human development index and see which countries have the highest average quality of life. Its even more stacked in northern europes favor if its ranked by median rather than mean.

Almost all countries are struggling in this economy. Germany's main problem is that is tied to Southern Europe through the Euro. Denmark, Sweden, and Norway aren't in the Euro zone. Norway isnt even in the European Union.

What do you have against the Welfare state? What do you want to have happen to you if you are permanently injured? What do you want to have happen to a child of yours that can't support himself?

"Except everyone expects major economic improvement in the next four years regardless of who holds the office (spoiler: it's Obama)."

There won't be a recovery.

Obama will crack down on fracking, drive up the cost of insurance, balloon the deficit, and let tax hikes go through. Meanwhile Western Europe, which comprises more or less 25% of global GDP, will see their currency collapse and their growth stagnate because of socialism. China is in the midst of a slump and Japan will remain on life support.

What's going to drive global economic growth?

everyone hoping that "4 more years of obama will change the GOP" is missing the point

after 4 more years of obama, the GOP won't be electable even with 100% of the white vote

@ Anon E. Mouse

The welfare state is depriving young people of opportunity by redirecting national wealth into healthcare and pensions. It's created a generational conflict as much as a financial problem.

"Romney would support dirty, dangerous, environmentally destructive jobs for a some working class whites."

Fracking is not environmentally dangerous.

Fracking was bringing manufacturing jobs back to the US because it lowered the cost of doing business in America. And North Dakota was enjoying an economic boom because of their energy reserves. Cheap energy alone would have done more to bring about in manufacturing jobs than tax cuts or any other policy.

@map I like your ideas. I'd add:

6) The people are being exploited, gouged, and killed by the medical profession. It needs extensive safety regulation at all levels and where there cannot be open and transparent price competition (such as in emergency care) there needs to be price controls

7) People need democratic control over their neighborhoods and the people and businesses that move into them. Relying purely on prices to judge admission into a community only benefits the people rich enough to afford exclusive areas. People have a right to control the destiny of their neighborhoods and shouldnt be forced to rely on the whims of the market.

8) Schools should not be tied to address or ability to afford tuition. People should be allowed to form government funded schools and be given wide berth in forming their own admissions standards. If college educated parents in stable education encouraging families want their kids to go to a school where the other students come from the same background they shouldn't have to be gouged either by private school tuition or property taxes.

>> THere is nothing wrong with the welfare state. Look at the UN human development index and see which countries have the highest average quality of life. Its even more stacked in northern europes favor if its ranked by median rather than mean.<<<

Yeah, and if our population were composed of only Finns, Swedes, Danes or Norwegians socialism would work well here too.

Anon. E. Mouse -

The European welfare state benefits Europeans. The American welfare state benefits africans and mestizos.

The European welfare state works because most Europeans don't need it. They do not use and abuse the system, unlike africans and mestizos.

The European welfare state free rides off of American drug development, medical devices, and other innovations. If the US exported medical goods on consignment with an explicit government requirement that the US get 90% of the American price, European socialism would become a lot less affordable.

There is nothing wrong with a welfare state. There is something wrong with a welfare state that services african and mestizos on the backs of Whites.

@Conquistador people need healthcare. Other countries are able to give better results at cheaper prices. Like i just said people are being exploited, gouged, and killed by the medical profession.

@The Undiscovered Jew: Fracking can be done in a way that is not environmentally destructive but it and similar methods can also be done in ways that are. I think doing fracking in the US is probably best way to ensure that it is done responsibly. By environmentally destructive I was mostly referring to coal and the fact that it is mined with strip mining and releases all sorts of horrible compounds into the atmosphere when it is burned.

The main thing the medical profession needs is more people. We have to figure out a way to break the licensing cartel and get more doctors/nurses/etc/etc

"The European welfare state benefits Europeans."

No, it doesn't work over there either. There are plenty of immigrants benefitting from EU socialism and the EU's policies are taking Europe over the cliff as well. Just watch and wait for one of the club Med countries to default and take down Europe's banking system to see how well socialism works over there. I hope one of them defaults soon as a financial collapse would help distract Obama for the next four years and limit how much money he has to implement his agenda. If the world economy is going to go over a cliff then Obama might as well get the blame for it.

Romney won the popular vote by 355. This is total BS, shouldn't the electoral college reflect this?

"If Romney ran a better campaign he could have won."

Don't blame Romney. He ran a solid campaign. The only weak part of it was out of his hands: his Super-PACs didn't kept their gloves on, while Obama hammered Romney over the summer (even essentially blaming Romney for some guy's wife dying of cancer in one ad).

@ undiscovered jew

" If the world economy is going to go over a cliff then Obama might as well get the blame for it."

We don't have a choice now, but, it would be way better for someone who hates white america NOT to be the one in charge when the world economy goes over a cliff. Plus, you foolishly assume he will actually get the blame. People who support him control the media. Bush got the blame for the last 4 years, remember?

Nnow that the Republicans are never getting in, ever

It's time to get back to work on spreading the HBD ideology as a meme

"What do you have against the Welfare state?"

Free phones.

"The European welfare state benefits Europeans. The American welfare state benefits africans and mestizos." - map


I'd also liken a lot of useless government jobs as part of the welfare state. Keeping women and NAMs with useless degrees employed is a burden. Propping up an artificial black middle class also infuriates me. Try firing a public worker in California. They'll appealed their termination and frequently get it overturned by a review board which results in their reinstatement and a gazillion dollars in back pay. What a scam.

@map: Im all for immigration restriction. The arguments that other countries Medical systems rely on americans suffering is plausible but I have never seen any evidence of it. Why, when pharmaceutical profits can be basically entirely determined by patents duration should they be the most profitable industry? If their profits can be tuned like a dial by adjusting patent duration isnt the fact that their profits are so high a sign that its being tuned wrong? Why should they be allowed to corrupt the medical treatment and research? The whole medical system is disgusting and corrupt and you seemed so sensible in your other message Im surprised we are disagreeing.

@The Undiscovered Jew: you can't lump all of europe together. And when American and european systems are brought to the brink of collapse you can't argue that it is a reflection of a flaw only found in the european system. Or even something substantially more prevalent in the European system.

@Conquistador I agree with you there. I think there's a place for busy work for unemployable people but it shouldn't be anything important.

So, the Republicans nominated the "electable" moderate pussy, and he didn't get elected.

I'm guessing this will provoke an agonizing reappraisal in which the Republicans decide they need to... blame the conservatives and be *even more moderate* in the future.

"The main thing the medical profession needs is more people. We have to figure out a way to break the licensing cartel and get more doctors/nurses/etc/etc"

There aren't enough people with the required level of intelligence.

Map wrote:
"The European welfare state benefits Europeans. The American welfare state benefits africans and mestizos.

The European welfare state works because most Europeans don't need it. They do not use and abuse the system, unlike africans and mestizos."

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Have you read about Europe recently? Freakin' Muslims and other third-world types are taking over, and they are bleeding all the welfare benefits dry.

@Meh The republican economic positions are toxic and stupid. The are only in the self interest of a very small portion of the country and there is only so much false consciousness to go around. Republicans can double down on the race stuff (whites ~75% voters), gender stuff (men + married women a majority), immigration (immigrant small minority of voters) but fawning over the extraordinarily wealthy 1% and .1% and .01% is not a winning position.

"Pete Wilson single-handedly (at the behest of California agricultural interests) scuttled the main enforcement mechanisms of the 1986 immigration amnesty law."

Pete Wilson was a Senator from California in 1986. I doubt he could have done this single-handedly. He may have sponsored the changes, but he must have convinced other Senators to go along.

This really goes to the heart of the Republican problem with the immigration issue. Agriculture and business interests like illegal immigration, because it keeps labor costs down. It is the business and agriculture interests that contribute a large faction of the money the Republican party needs to run competitive campaigns. On the other hand the tea party base of the Republican party is anti-immigration.

Good Lord, so many of you are full of shit. I'm not sure why people are attracted to this end-of-the-world talk. An Obama presidency in 2009 was supposed to lead a recession/depression of epic proportions. Didn't happen. Instead Romney had to criticize the "weak recovery."

The fact is Obama has governed as a moderate, one who compromised and extended the Bush tax cuts for two more years (which contributed to the ballooning deficit). He's done a helluva lot more to deport immigrants than his predecessor, and he did not stupidly invade a middle-eastern country (which will end up costing a couple trillion).

He signed for plenty of drone attacks that murdered and maimed innocent people (go jack off to images of that); kept Guantanamo and did other moderate Republican bullshit (like create a mandate for health insurance, which was Heritage-Foundation think tank crap circa 1990).

His victory does not come as a surprise to the anyone who followed the quant nerds, and for the people on this forum, Nate Silver's sardonic comment about meteorologists using numbers and models should be ringing in your ears.

The so-called Emerging Democratic Majority was written about over a decade ago, and the biggest implications are now that the Electoral College (not necessarily the popular vote) makes it easier for Democrats to win national elections. I wonder if Republicans will now suddenly see the wisdom in abolishing it.

The GOP took a beating in a lot of Senate races tonight, and they need to re-examine their ideology. They didn't lose because Mitt Romney wasn't a "real conservative." They're socially backward, and fiscal discipline does not equal tax cuts.

The only one more miserable than Romney right now is Hillary.

@ Conquistador

"Try firing a public worker in California".

It's time for you to fire yourself from the Golden Welfare State.

Too much sun isn't a good thing.

Since DC is going to be in gridlock, conservatives should pursue the strategy of Scott Walker which is to defund the Cathedral institutions that benefit from liberal policies. At the state level conservatives should fund referendums that would strip public sector workers of collective bargaining rights, and start defunding every college department that is not STEM or business related.

Gov Rick Scott of Florida (not withstanding the disaster in Florida tonight) wants to do to liberal arts departments what Scott Walker did to public sector unions in Wisconsin: drive down funding for the liberal arts by giving lower tuition fees to STEM and business majors and higher fees for liberal arts majors. He also wants 3 year tuition freezes, ie, price controls on college tuition.

I'd also add that we need to eliminate the gened requirements by having all high school coursework that was passed with a D or better to count as credit to gened requirements. This will will further starve the non-STEM and non-business departments of funding:

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2012-10-24/news/fl-higher-ed-report-20121024_1_tuition-increases-popular-bright-futures-scholarship-lower-tuition-and-fees

Tuition would be lower for students pursuing degrees most needed for Florida's job market, including ones in science, technology, engineering and math, collectively known as the STEM fields.

The committee is recommending no tuition increases for them in the next three years.

But to pay for that, students in fields such as psychology, political science, anthropology, and performing arts could pay more because they have fewer job prospects in the state.

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20121106/ARTICLES/121109740

State university students seeking degrees that are highly sought by employers would get a break on tuition, but others might pay higher rates under recommendations approved Tuesday by the governor’s higher education task force.

The seven-member group unanimously approved a slate of recommendations scheduled to be delivered by Nov. 15 to Gov. Rick Scott. Several proposals would move the state away from charging similar undergraduate tuition rates for all universities and programs.

Before creating the task force, Scott vetoed a bill that would have let the University of Florida and other pre-eminent universities seek tuition increases greater than 15 percent.

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The proposal to charge lower tuition for a high-demand degree program is an example. The plan would commit universities to not raising tuition on those programs for three years or until the economy improves.

TUJ, you can't discount the Hispanic vote. If you look at the exit polls, it tipped Nevada, New Mexico, Colorado, and Florida, at least, towards Obama. This is a close election and it probably tipped more states, but I don't have the time to scour polls and figure out which ones. I wouldn't be surprised if Romney would have won without the Hispanic vote.

"The Undiscovered Jew: you can't lump all of europe together. And when American and european systems are brought to the brink of collapse you can't argue that it is a reflection of a flaw only found in the european system."

The creators of the European system designed the euro to create even more socialism.

Specifically, they wanted to create a common currency that would lead to an economic crisis. Once the economic crisis came about they would then argue that their bureaucratic dictatorship needs more regulatory and financial powers to solve a problem they created with their own socialist policies.

The bureaucratic left in the US and the European Union in Western Europe (and unlike the command and control Soviet System) has no central command. Instead it is a self-perpetuating feedback loop that creates crises and then demands more regulatory powers to "solve" problems they created.

This is true of all Western Cathedral policies whether it be the invention of the euro or diversity/immigration or the global warming hoax.

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