HBD and the Petraeus affair

HBD can tell us some valuable information about Jill Kelley, because she has an identical twin sister Natalie Khawam. From the Tampa Bay Times:

In late September, a U.S. Marine Corps four-star general and the head of the Central Intelligence Agency sent letters to a court in Washington, D.C., testifying that a single mom in Tampa named Natalie Khawam was fit to parent her 4-year-old son.

. . . The court had a different opinion.

"Ms. Khawam appears to lack any appreciation or respect for the importance of honesty and integrity in her interactions with her family, employers, and others with whom she comes in contact," a judge wrote after a litany of hearings and psychological evaluations. "The court fully expects that Ms. Khawam's pattern of misrepresentations about virtually everything, including the most important aspects of her life, will continue indefinitely."

She was more than $3 million in debt, records show. She had blown through four jobs in five years and sued a former employer for sex harassment. She had had three failed engagements, left her new husband and moved in with her sister where she quickly began hobnobbing with military brass and others in Tampa's elite circles.

Jill Kelley surely shares the same genes for bad judgment and low future-time orientation. And Natalie probably shares Jill’s genes for being an attention whore. And Jill also seems to be on a path of spending her doctor husband into the poorhouse. Lawrence Auster is wrong for defending her.

Also, a warning for any of my readers who become wealthy doctors and then attract the attention of low-class gold-digging bimbos like the Khawam sisters. DON’T marry them. And as a corollary warning, stay away from any woman who looks like she might be selected to appear on a Real Housewives reality show. Per my previous good advice, marry nice “non-slutty upper-middle-class girls.” The Khawam sisters are definitely slutty, and I suspect that their Lebanese immigrant parents raised them in a prole neighborhood in the Philadelphia area.

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And while we are on this topic, Paula Broadwell’s radiologist husband also could have avoided marrying a cheating wife if he followed my advice. She may be smart and educated, but her father, Paul Kranz, is a high school basketball coach from Bismark, ND, and that’s definitely not upper-middle class. Although I’ve said that a school teacher is the quintessential middle-class job, I think that being a basketball coach rather than teaching actual academic subjects borders on high prole.

Comments

[Bernie]

They both appear to attract high status men like magnets, however.

[AriD2385]

Hmm...there seems to be a "gene" for every attitude, thought or action. I can only guess that those pointing to HBD for such things also believe in determinism in some form or another.

[RandomMedStudent]

Amen.
Low class gold diggers are for temporary rentals only (if they look good).

[Conquistador]

This story has everything we love. HBD, slutty women, political scandal, a cuckolded beta, with hopefully much more to come.

[outlaw josey wales]

They each snagged high earning beta men, who knew nothing about women, or how to deal with them. This is incredibly common in our feminized culture. Basically two crazy bitches have brought down the career of one prominent senior military officer, and possibly two (if Allen goes down). And people will defend these women.

[Just Speculating]

Petreus' military enrollment makes him a prole despite his Princeton Phd credential. Serving in the armed forces brings him down several notches to a high prole. Any Ivy League education can't change that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Petraeus

[jeanne]

Florida sure attracts the lowlifes, doesn't it.

[asdf]

The attempt by Patreus to vouch for a trashy women he barely knew in a custody battle speaks volume to the white knighting phenomonon that "game" blogs talk about all the time. Team woman may try to defend the team, but men will always be out for themselves.

[CH]

HS:
"Per my previous good advice, marry nice “non-slutty upper-middle-class girls.”"

It's one thing to sensibly tell a man what kind of girl to marry; it's quite another to redirect his passions from attractive sex fiends to unattractive prudes. Or: there's a reason why so many normally reasonable men do stupid things for the nookie.

"The Khawam sisters are definitely slutty, and I suspect that their Lebanese immigrant parents raised them in a prole neighborhood in the Philadelphia area."

Sometimes all it takes is a one second look at a woman to know how she would be in bed. Petraeus's mistress looks like she'd happily take it in the pooper while swinging from a chandelier. His wife, otoh, looks like she forgot what resides between her legs. And, judging by the look of her, that's for the better.

Which is all to say, I don't blame these guys for their seemingly irrational choices.

[HS: Patraeus's wife is old enough to be the mother of Jill and Natalie so it's unfair compare their current-day looks. Patraeus' wife, as far as we know, never cheated on him or wasted his money or did anything that would publicly humiliate him.]

[Robert]

"I suspect that their Lebanese immigrant parents raised them in a prole neighborhood in the Philadelphia area."

From Jill Kelley's Wikipedia page:

"Kelley grew up in Voorhees, New Jersey and later Northeast Philadelphia, where her parents owned a restaurant. Kelley lived in the Philadelphia area until her mid-20s."

Voorhees is a solidly middle class neighborhood in South Jersey, but people from nearby South Jersey towns like Cherry Hill (I'm sure you went to Penn with more than a few kids from Cherry Hill, HS) Medford, or Moorestown view it as sort of prolish, but not as prolish as Maple Shade or Pennsauken. Northeast Philadelphia is a small step above the extremely prole Philly neighborhood called Fishtown that Charles Murray wrote about in 'Coming Apart.' The Northeast is becoming increasingly non-white, but it's been prole for a hundred years or longer.

[HS: Voorhees looks middle class, not prole, but obviously living in NE Philly had a bad influence on her. We don't know how old she was when her parents moved there.]

[chesswife]

Not sure I would equate cheating with low IQ. Didn't Einstein cheat on Mileva with his cousin?

[Toddy Cat]

The funniest thing about this is that, as near as I can tell, Larry Auster is defending her in part because he thinks she's hot. As Auster himself says "I must confess that there’s something about this woman that makes my brain stop functioning". So much for Mr. Christian Values and Western Rationalism.

So hey Jill, if your husband dumps you, there's always Larry Auster. Man, we guys are suckers...

[CH]

HS:
"Patraeus' wife, as far as we know, never cheated on him or wasted his money or did anything that would publicly humiliate him."

No argument there. By all accounts, his wife is the "better" woman. But men don't care so much about better; they care about sexier. Prole as they may be, these Lebanese hos look like they'd be a blast in the sack. And that's the draw that few men can resist, especially men shackled to frumpy land whales for what must seem to those men an endless hell matrix.

I've seen a photo of the wife from younger years. While she was no hot babe, she certainly looked reasonably bangable. Age has not been kind to her; or, more precisely she lost the will to stay in shape and please her high status husband. A lot of feminists are like that, so perhaps the wife wasn't as virtuous as you are making her out to be. Golddigger prole chicks may blab and steal and violate SWPL norms of decorum, but at least you can count on them to keep their figures. They know their real moneymaker, and it isn't a post-grad degree.

[MC]

"Per my previous good advice, marry nice 'non-slutty upper-middle-class girls.'"

Probably the most important advice you can give. Although I think that an unusually bright and mature woman may often have a merely middle class background.

[Chris P.]

"Petreus' military enrollment makes him a prole despite his Princeton Phd credential. Serving in the armed forces brings him down several notches to a high prole. Any Ivy League education can't change that."

lol...the CIA director who is an OFFICER in the military which requires a degree is equivalent to a plumber who owns his own business or a small town cop...lol...the lunacy , I swear nobody goes outside on this website.

[GMR]

While the military is prolish, generally, those who go to the service academies (USAFA, West Point, and USNA, not so much USCGA and USMMA) probably can't be considered prole.

While Broadwell was homecoming queen, all state basketball and valedictorian, I wonder if it was still easier for her to get into West Point because she was from ND (and a woman)... I don't know enough to know if that helped or not, but I've always heard that being from small states helped your chances.

[chesswife]

"it's quite another to redirect his passions from attractive sex fiends to unattractive prudes"

Since most women lose their sex drives-- to some degree-- post marriage and post child-bearing, it would make sense to aim for a slutty but otherwise nice woman with the expectation that she'll come down a few notches after having kiddos.

[Prophet]

"And as a corollary warning, stay away from any woman who looks like she might be selected to appear on a Real Housewives reality show."

LOL!

This is pretty good advice.

In fact, when a first saw a picture of Jill Kelley, I thought: "Wow, she looks like a wife from one of those Real Housewives shows."

That said, these type of trashy, slutty chicks tend to drive men wild, so just "pumping and dumping" them ain't easy. One taste of that sweet poon, and most men will be hooked.

[Kenny]

Both Broadwell and Jill Kelly were married to doctors. There's got to be some significance to that. Are doctors super betas who gold digging women live off?

Really I always thought of doctors are alphas, but maybe I was mistaken.

[Just Speculating]

"lol...the CIA director who is an OFFICER in the military which requires a degree is equivalent to a plumber who owns his own business or a small town cop...lol...the lunacy , I swear nobody goes outside on this website".

And the guy has been a fucking loser ever since the Afghan war and now this....

[BlueWillow]

CH wrote:
"Golddigger prole chicks may blab and steal and violate SWPL norms of decorum, but at least you can count on them to keep their figures. "
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And as we all know, that is the most important thing. Never mind that they bankrupt you and ruin your life.

[Sanjuro]

I wonder who the Khawam sisters have for their handlers - perhaps the Chinese or Russia (their Christian background makes ties to Islamic states less of a possibility). Nothing like wining and dining military brass and foreign intelligence, while giving them "happy endings", to glean state secrets.

[james edwards]

Anyone who gives any weight to a judge's comments in a politically charged environment like this has a lot of brass calling someone else a lowlife.

Aside from the JD from Georgetown Natalie may have made a fantastic field agent in Lebanon?

http://www.salon.com/2012/07/08/agent_garbo_wartimes_greatest_double_cross/

True spy story: How a Barcelona chicken farmer fooled the Nazis, saved D-Day and became the greatest agent ever

Only during extreme conditions of war, when you so called, self titled upper classes are getting machine gunned against brick walls, can the nobility of a Spanish chicken farmer emerge to save your world.

[james edwards]

No thanks necessary, upper class.

"“Tangle within tangle, plot and counterplot, ruse and treachery, cross and double-cross, true agent, false agent, double agent, gold and steel, the bomb, the dagger and the firing party, were interwoven in many a texture so intricate as to be incredible and yet true.”

That’s how Winston Churchill described the campaigns of deception practiced by British intelligence services during World War II"

http://www.salon.com/2012/07/08/agent_garbo_wartimes_greatest_double_cross/

[andrew]

"lol...the CIA director who is an OFFICER in the military which requires a degree is equivalent to a plumber who owns his own business or a small town cop...lol...the lunacy , I swear nobody goes outside on this website."

Not just any degree: A Princeton PhD. Not just an officer, the director of the entire department. Not just the military, the Central Intelligence Agency.

[The Real Vince]

What I find amusing is that all of this could have been avoided. Broadwell did not have to hurl insults and Kelley could have ignored them.

Now Broadwell's marriage is under threat, her public reputation is in shambles ("SLUT"), and she's facing sharp questions because of sensitive documents found in her possession.

Kelley's bullshit Cancer Foundation has been shut down and she's lawyered up.

[JP]

"Paul Kranz, is a high school basketball coach from Bismark, ND, and that’s definitely not upper-middle class."

Worse than that, he has publicly defended his daughter, which tells you he raised her to be exactly what she is, a gold-digging whore.

[james edwards]

DUh. One quality of the self appointed upper class is the inability to question things they read on the internet?

http://gawker.com/natalie-khawam/

"That ex-husband is Grayson Wolfe, a former Bush Administration flunkie who served in Iraq with the Coalition Provisional Authority and now a partner in Akkadian Private Ventures, a Washington, D.C.-based private equity firm specializing in "infrastructure projects" in emerging markets.

Akkadian Private Ventures was co-founded by a man who calls himself Christian Bailey (his real name is Christian Josefowicz). Bailey, a British ex-pat, co-founded the Lincoln Group shortly after the invasion of Iraq in order to harvest millions of dollars in Pentagon contracts for "information operations"—propaganda directed at hostile populations throughout the Middle East and South Asia. He later founded Akkadian with Lincoln Group money. As a partner in Akkadian, Khawam's ex-husband worked out of the Lincoln Group's offices and was essentially an employee under the group's corporate umbrella."

[Questioning]

Half you are spot on. Generally, girls with upper middle class parents are less likely to cheat than ones w prole parents.

Half do you think the status of their grandparents is relevant?

Assuming the parents are solidly umc would you look askance at prole grandparents

[Peter]

Petraeus supposedly has been known as quite the horndog for years.

[Chris]

I thought this whole story was cooked up to distract from the disaster in Libya. Hell, maybe it was and then succeeded beyond all expectation. Petraeus, Allen and Broadwell have all had their careers destroyed. Conversely the gold digging twins have probably a shot at celebrity now.

No wonder Broadwell sent the emails, the twins are both archetypal scarlet women. Broadwell knew the competition, she just misjudged the poor choice of Jill who took the emails to her FBI whiteknight (who took arms up immediately).

[Frank]

Nice upper middle class women from nice upper middle class backgrounds get bored and horny, too.

[Sheila Tone]

Not a word of analysis about the cheating husbands, eh?

[JayMan]

@AriD2385:

All human behavioral traits are heritable.

[JayMan]

Yup, Jill Kelly (who I though was this chick when I first heard the story: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jill_Kelly_(pornographic_actress) ) are histrionic.

"Also, a warning for any of my readers who become wealthy doctors and then attract the attention of low-class gold-digging bimbos like the Khawam sisters. DON’T marry them. And as a corollary warning, stay away from any woman who looks like she might be selected to appear on a Real Housewives reality show. Per my previous good advice, marry nice “non-slutty upper-middle-class girls.” "

There's a trade-off between well behaved/low-drama and sex drive, just as you discovered with your discussion of sex drive and IQ. High sex drive and all the behaviors that go with it, especially for women, is a generally an r-strategy.
The problem is however as CH notes. One often has to choose between great in bed or great in life, which is often a tough call.

[asdf]

BTW, do we all not remember Jay Electronica.

Even good breeding can't stop hypergamy.

Game or Die.

[Dr. Anonymous]

Would professors and teachers at exclusive private or boarding schools be considered middle class? Or would that be upper-middle class?

Lack of morals, low future time orientation and inability to learn from past mistakes seems so prole.

There's a fundamental difference in lack of morals of proles and the Liberal elite. One is due to impulsivity and biochemically driven behavior, while the latter is a product of calculated unemotional intellectualism.

Religion used to self-regulate prolish behavior,but now that proles have free reign this type of behavior and cultural decline in those circles will continue without any form of checks or balances.

The jig is up when society's elite consume the prolefeed and reduce themselves to the beast's level.

No wonder there is a leadership and role model crisis.

According to a survey of teachers in the United Kingdom conducted in 2008 by the Association of Teachers and Lecturers young people frequently chose role models from celebrity culture such as David and Victoria Beckham, Eminem or Paris Hilton and emulate their appearance and manner.

[Chic Noir]

All over the Internet people are ragging on the looks of poor Madame Pertreus. You would think she was the one to do something wrong.

[S_McCoy]

"Really I always thought of doctors are alphas, but maybe I was mistaken."

I can tell you that I used to deal with doctors and nurses on a regular basis and found them to be just the rudest, childish, hysterical people ever, roughly 95% anyway. I always thought how low class they were, bullying unimportant people over pocket change.

Veterinarians on the other hand were always very nice and polite, good people.

Dentists could go either way.

[Jeff]

Broadwell's Dad was probably a teacher along with being a coach. Most high school coaches are teachers, and he's probably an intelligent man if Paula is his daughter.

[bluto]

I think the relevant advice here is, "if it flies, floats, or fornicates; rent it"

[Eazy-E]

How does someone get $3 million in debt?

[ogunsiron]

I found a lot of commenters incredibly rough on the General's wife. Yes she's old and dresses like a church grandma, but isn't poor fashion sense pretty universal among flyover country americans ? Holly doesn't dress sloppily: i haven't seen her wearing sweatpants or those horrible ill-fitting walmart jeans. She probably thinks that she dresses very appropriately for a woman of her age and social rank. She seems like the kind of woman who's post-menopause and is fine with it.
This can of course be problematic when you have a husband who's remained much younger in body.

What is that poor woman supposed to do ? She may not even be interested in sex at all at this point and might even have been ok with hubby playing elsewhere, as long as it all remained a secret.

[Just Speculating]

In terms of politeness of the 3 professional parasites that oversaturate the job market:

Accountants>Doctors>Lawyers

[Just Speculating]

@ Dr. Anonymous

"Religion used to self-regulate prolish behavior,but now that proles have free reign this type of behavior and cultural decline in those circles will continue without any form of checks or balances.

The jig is up when society's elite consume the prolefeed and reduce themselves to the beast's level".

Western society is indeed much hedonistic based. The message is enjoy the fun now and deal with the consequences later. The rich are able in hang there a little longer.

With this frame of mind, low time orientation isn't just prole, it afflicts every person who lives under this tyrannical system.

[Sheila Tone]

Looks like Khawam has her twin Kelley's old nose.

[prolish troll]

Most atheletic coaches I have encountered were stupid and taught worthless subjects like driver's ed or remedial classes for special education. Not to say there were a few exceptions but for the most part they were average to below average intelligence.

[L]

I don't think these women are proles tbh. It's very out of the ordinary for Doctors to go for someone who is not at least college educated. Sex is one thing, but when it comes to marriage, there's much more scrutiny involved. Infidelity is not a prole-thing as it affects all classes, upper class people just have more to lose in prestige and social standing by doing so. Eliot Spitzer, Bill Clinton, FDR, JFK, powerful people with Mistresses are nothing new to the upper class. There is probably something wrong with you if you are an alpha guy in a high powered profession and the only person you'd want to screw was your wife.

Even Tiger Woods couldn't resist the temptation and he had Elin.

[mr. wild]

There's a certain kind of man who can't resist strange pussy. Southerners are the worst-think John Edwards.

[SFG]

I've talked to a few. Doctors are usually pretty beta. You have to spend all your time studying, and the latter part of medical school you get graded on your ability to kiss butt. So you get trained to be submissive rather than dominant.

To be honest, this whole 'everybody must be alpha' business strikes as rather dumb--society would fall apart.

[Conquistador]

@ Just Speculating

When the west collapses the few literate men remaining will read of the ancients and our wicked ways. A new totalitarian theocracy will emerge where even simple pleasures will be outlawed. No alcohol, no dancing, no bacon, no pre-marital sex with adulterers executed much like in Saudi Arabia. It will be an age marked by fanatical discipline and abhorrence of all that came before it. It's a cycle that always repeats itself in history.

[Just Speculating]

@ Conquistador

Interestingly, these high profile scumbags who get caught with their pants down are all Baby Boomers. Yeah, you know them. They really know how to screw this country like they do with women. Clinton and Petreus are 2 good examples, and there are more. The same hyprocrites who preached strict morals on their kids while indulging on lustful pleasures when they were young or behind their children's backs.

Don't be suprised if one them decides to set a whole new trend for puritannical liberation after engaging a life of carnal.

Their motto: Sex was good, it's time for celibacy which is even better.

[marty]

"There's a certain kind of man who can't resist strange pussy. Southerners are the worst..."

Nah, I'm like that too, and I'm a west-coaster. Ever see that film where Harvey Keitel tells the hooker, "I like whores. I REALLY like 'em!"?

[Chic Noir]

" There's a certain kind of man who can't resist strange pussy. Southerners are the worst"

Explains where all those light-skinned blacks came from.

Actually, isn't this every man really?

All of you want to spread your seed far and wide with as many women as possible. It is only the most disciplined (and decent) who are able to deny or curtail the urge to sleep around.

[Joseph Moroco]

"The problem is however as CH notes. One often has to choose between great in bed or great in life, which is often a tough call."

Ah for the days of the landed aristocracy. They could have both by right. Of course, none of us would have been in that class.

[sage]

This article is spot on. Attention Whores. I can't stand these kind of spoiled brats who don't give a damn about the people they say they are 'helping' in their charity work. It's all about social climbing. There is nothing beautiful about Jill who was talking to 911 like they were hired help. I hope these shallow women are locked out forever and have to live in the real world the rest of us do. Lay off Holly. She doesn't have to compete with young sluts or explain herself to anyone.

[Randall Parker]

Prole versus upper middle class as a cheating signal? Nope. You are so missing the more important signal for cheating: Paula Broadwell has high enough testosterone to have served in the military herself. Women who graduate from West Point have got to have higher testosterone than the average woman and therefore are at higher risk for having an affair, especially with a highly ranked general.

Also, women get the hots for men in uniform. This whole thing is so very stereotypical it isn't even interesting.

The Khawam sisters: They should get their own reality TV show and probably will. They can compete with the Kardashians.