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November 13, 2012

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The case against chasing the Hispanic vote is obvious, but I think the die is already cast HS.

The idea that Republicans can gain grounds with Hispanics is absurd. It might be possible to grab the Asian vote by educating them about affirmative action, but there is no possibility of getting the Hispanic vote. Any Republican that advocates any sort of hispandering is simply undermining the electoral success of the Republican party.

The Republican party needs to stop being a Southern Evangelical party and become a Midwestern Labor-Libertarian party: Economic protectionism, anti-immigration, anti-affirmative action, civil liberties, anti-war, reduced spending, etc... the platform almost writes itself.

Are higher income pro choice voters single issue voters? They are more likely smart enough to know that voting for Republicans ≠ eliminating abortion. I think 1/2 ∑ is pro choice and yet perhaps has voted for some Republicans for other reasons.

If only they would actually exercise the right..

"This table shows us that the Hispanics who are most likely to be Republican based on being financially successful, they are more pro-choice than the average American."

Wealthier Hispanics are more likely to be ethnically Spaniard/European. White Hispanics are probably 15% of all American Hispanics, give or take a few points.

If you look at images of Hispanic Republicans like Marco Rubio, Texas Senator Ted Cruz, Nevada Governor Brian Sandoval, and Texas congressman Chiqo Rodriguez, you will see that are the most Spaniard looking end of the spectrum.

I suspect the reason the GOP seems to have a floor of about 30% of the Hispanic vote is because white or whiter Hispanics are more likely to vote and more likely to be Republican and because the darker Hispanics are more likely to be illegal immigrants who can't vote and are too dumb to turn out in large numbers even if they could.

Texas Republicans seem to do better with Hispanics because they have relatively more Hispanics who are derived Spanish settlers who settled in Northern Mexico and the interior West. These settlers were purer Spanish because there were fewer Indians for them have contact with. Hispanics in California tend to be more Amerindian and Mestizo.

In order to earn more of the Hispanic vote, we should only allow Hispanic immigrants who are either wealthy euro-Hispanic tycoons or Hispanic women who look they could be weather "reporters" for Univision.

What's really shocking is that the GOP is slowly losing the Cuban-American vote. I think Obama won 49% of their vote, which is pretty amazing. If the GOP can't hold on to Cuban-Americans, who tend to self identify as White, then what on earth makes them think they can attract other Hispanics.

Wouldn't it be easier to get around the abortion problem (assuming there is one) by simply calling abortion triage? No one is against choice and no one is against life. Women aren't getting abortions because they're trying to spite people. They are getting them to avoid the circumstance of unwanted children and bad decision-making.

I agree with "T" above, but Republicans need to push policies that destroy Democrat institutions. A good example is price controls on tuition, discharging of student loans, etc.

So are you saying that Republicans should pander to rich Hispanics?

Quote: "The Republican party needs to stop being a Southern Evangelical party and become a Midwestern Labor-Libertarian party"

Why can't it be both?

I knew this post would attract the typical weird comments, but I'm still glad you made the point. Wealthier Hispanics tend to be more educated, and educated people tend to support abortion rights. However, wealthier people also don't like taxes and government interference. There do exist many libertarian-leaning Hispanics. The Republican party really needs to pull its heads out of its rear on the abortion issue. Can't the evangelicals just be content for the rest of us to duke it out on Judgment Day?

@TUJ

Rubio and Cruz are of Cuban descent. Our governor here in Nevada, Brian Sandoval, is quite Mexican, although he was born in Reno and has lived his whole life here.

T, great platform minus the libertarian claptrap.

"The case against chasing the Hispanic vote is obvious, but I think the die is already cast HS."

I don't that there's nothing that can be done about demographics. According to the CDC, the recession has reduced the absolute number of Hispanic births since the recession began in 2008 by over 100,000 births.

So there are policies that could be implemented to change our demographics. The real issue is lack of WILL not ability. But if the will were there then organized whites would be able to do anything they want.

The demographic situation could be handled with a few simple policies. It would be easy to reverse the demographic trends by just shutting off immigration and paying large cash buyouts of $100,000 per family member for immigrants to renounce residency and/or citizenship and leave. Nothing bad would happen by paying them to leave, they would just pick up a check after filling out papers and move.

Denise Rich and Eduardo Saverin turned in their citizenship for the sake of money and nothing bad happened.

For 100K per immigrant family member we would see a decent majority of non-white Hispanics pack up and leave.

[HS: If there's no will to even enfoce the laws we already have or to reduce the crazy amounts of immigration when unemployment is the highest since the Great Depression, then there definitely will be no will to implement your $100K buyout plan.]

"Rubio and Cruz are of Cuban descent. Our governor here in Nevada, Brian Sandoval, is quite Mexican, although he was born in Reno and has lived his whole life here."

I looked at more photos of Sandoval and he is more noticeably Indian than Cruz or Rubio but the Governor still looks 80-90% Spaniard, which again confirms my point that the more Spaniard Hispanic Americans are more likely to be GOP. To the extent we have more Hispanic immigrants we should put up higher educational and income hurdles to make sure we are importing white Hispanics.

"It might be possible to grab the Asian vote by educating them about affirmative action, but there is no possibility of getting the Hispanic vote."

The Asian vote may be more Democrat than it was 20 years ago because the Asian population is growing too fast to integrate with white Americans. A time out on Asian immigration would allow current Asians to assimilate better instead of having them live in ethnic ghettos where they get less opportunity to learn white middle class political preferences.

Also regarding an outmigration policy, the Center for Immigration Studies claims that 300,000 legal immigrants leave the United States each year on their own volition and even without any payment structure to encourage them to leave. 300,000 legal immigrants leave for a variety of reasons such as those immigrants only got a green card to work for a few years, not become citizens. They also might leave because they are older and want to spend their last years in their homeland.

A voluntary repatriation program that paid $100,000 to any immigrant who packed it up and left a la Eduardo Saverin or Denise Rich could easily triple the number of out migrants leaving America.

National Review's editors just came out and basically agreed with Heather MacDonald that it's basically impossible to win Hispanics because they are too dependent on government and we should switch to a skills based immigration system that would, effectively, discriminate against Hispanics. They even call illegal immigrants a permanent underclass

Interesting sign of progress:

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/333128/amnesty-delusion-editors

Legal immigration, which is largely driven by our government’s preference that the extended families of previous immigrants be able to join them here, does not closely track the fortunes of the economy.

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We know from historical experience that immigration amnesties serve only to encourage yet more illegal immigration, and the suffering and disorder that go along with it. Illegal immigrants constitute a permanent underclass, the growth of which is in the long-term interest of neither the citizens of the United States nor of those immigrants who aspire to citizenship. Stopgap measures such as “temporary guest worker” programs simply convert that underclass from de facto to de jure.

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There are many steps we can and should take toward improving our national immigration regime. It should be easier for those with job offers — particularly highly skilled, English-speaking professionals — to gain long-term residency in the United States and to embark on a path to citizenship if they so choose. And for those who are here illegally, especially those who were brought here as young children, our policy options are not restricted to amnesty or round-ups and mass deportations. As anybody who has ever missed a credit-card payment can attest, we have more than sufficient information technology to identify whether people who are cashing paychecks, renting homes, or transacting ordinary business are in fact legally authorized to do so. Until the borders are physically secured, our most effective and most humane option is steady, consistent, judicious workplace enforcement.

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Republicans who believe that amnesty would buy them an electoral advantage with Hispanics are deluding themselves. That Hispanics are a natural Republican constituency because of their Catholic and family-oriented traditions is wishful thinking. Hispanics are not uniformly in favor of amnesty for illegals — polls have shown that a segment of the Hispanic population ranging from a large minority to a small majority oppose the policy. Polls also show that a substantial majority of Hispanics support Obamacare, and that Hispanics voted accordingly on Tuesday. Those who see in Hispanics a potential bloc of socially conservative voters should consider that polls consistently find blacks to be slightly more anti-abortion than whites, but they are not exactly lining up behind Rick Santorum. There is very little reason to believe that Hispanic Catholics are any more likely to vote like social conservatives than non-Hispanic Catholics. For that matter, the majority of Hispanic evangelicals voted for Obama in 2008.

The amnesty signed into law by the charismatic and popular President Reagan did not bring Hispanic voters into the Republican party; Republican congressional leaders who believe that sending one to President Obama would redound to their benefit are engaged in a defective political calculus.

"[HS: If there's no will to even enfoce the laws we already have or to reduce the crazy amounts of immigration when unemployment is the highest since the Great Depression, then there definitely will be no will to implement your $100K buyout plan.]"

I agree that without will to act, nothing would happen. My point is that the ABILITY to change demographics still exists. So our problem is a matter of marketing immigration, not inability to change.

T, great platform minus the libertarian claptrap. "

We need more libertarians joining HBD because many HBD readers and bloggers either were or still are libertarians, including a plurality of GNXP readers. Looking at this survey, libertarians who don't work for devoted libertarian think tanks or magazines like Reason seem to be inclined to very receptive to HBD arguments. We need to persuade libertarians to join us, not condescend to them.

http://www.gnxp.com/blog/2009/02/gnxp-survey-results.php

map, you are quite right about the need to destroy Democratic institutions. We need to attack their financial and ideological support. However an explicitly anti-university policy would (rightly) come off as too extreme. Instead we need to cause universities to scale back gradually. A price cap on tuition might make sense. Then creating an alternative credentialing system (as HalfSigma suggest in the past) would further weaken them. Once universities are back in their proper place (which is teaching the middle class science) the left would have so much less power. Meanwhile we need to destroy the non-profit sector.

anonymous, the "libertarian claptrap" is essential to capturing middle-class voters under 55. If your party doesn't have middle-class voters under 55 it doesn't have a future. Furthermore they would provide decisive victories, as they consistently poll very well. If Romney had simply come out against the NDAA, for example, he would be president right now. He would have been able to grab a few million more votes and wouldn't have lost any. I am talking about things like civil liberties and the rule of law. When it comes to tariffs and immigration controls we would not follow libertarianism.

The Undiscovered Jew, limiting immigration to skilled voters only would help, but why not go all the way and end all immigration? The US has no shortage of skilled people. By importing engineers and programmers we impoverish the segment of the middle class most likely to vote Republican. The result will be the elimination of the non-leftist middle class in one or two generations. I am a programmer and statistician, my wife is in the humanities and works for non-profits (museums). We decided that I should be the one to drop out of the workforce to raise our children. Because she works for non-profits her student loans will be forgiven in 10 years. Her job will be secure because she cannot be replaced by non-European immigrants. Mine will be replaced by an immigrant (I already lost a job when the company laid off all of the white people).

"A time out on Asian immigration would allow current Asians to assimilate better instead of having them live in ethnic ghettos where they get less opportunity to learn white middle class political preferences".

From a HBD point of view, there is a natural aversion from many women towards Asian men because of their low beta level and effeminity. Whether they are assimilated or not; this is an ongoing problem that can never be fully resolved. Asians can never fully integrate successfully in White America for reasons in gender disparity in sexuality opportunities. Asian women who are fully integrated leave their men behind, and become anti-Asian. The assimilation process is this, the women get to date and marry White men, while Asian men are generally incel and left alone in American society. Many Asian men are going back to Asia to seek wives, which means there is no assimilation process for the males. Those who married their own kind usually generally avoid Whites for the reasons mentioned. Such an instability will cause more instability in Asia, where a shortage of females are already becoming a societal problem like NAMs in our country with their welfare inducing behavior.

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