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November 19, 2012


HS the control buttons are on the wire, or if you drop it into a speaker system, most of those have buttons as well.

[HS: Maybe some previous model, not the one I have.]

Correction: the remote is an upgrade. Get it here: http://store.apple.com/us/product/MD827LL/A/apple-earpods-with-remote-and-mic

[HS: You mean I have to pay another $29 to make it do what a cheap mp3 player does out-of-the-box?]

Someone beat you to it HS: http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=642196

Didn't you play with it before you bought it? Anyway, this behavior never cause me any concern. When is it relevant, when you're jogging? On the subway/metro this is so easy to do, takes 2-3 seconds.

If you just wanted a cheap MP3 player, why not the shuffle? The new iPod touches are mostly a way to price discriminate the iPhone to people who can't or won't get a phone with a plan.

[HS: I didn't want an MP3 player, I wanted a poor-man's iPhone.]

I believe if you take out the headphone cable from the jack that the music will pause. Not a great option though.

HS: I didn't want an MP3 player, I wanted a poor-man's iPhone.

Then don't complain when it's poor at something that wasn't a design goal. Complain when women notice the little differences between it and their iPhones. Most people with a phone waste their data plan on Pandora or a similar streaming service.

[HS: As far as I know, women could care less what electronic device you are using, but hey, I could be wrong about that, maybe Roissy knows.]

HS: "You mean I have to pay another $29 to make it do what a cheap mp3 player does out-of-the-box?"

No, you have to pay another $29 to make it do almost everything that an iPhone does AND everything a cheap MP3 player does, at a pretty low actual (no carrier subsidy) selling price.

An unlocked (i.e. unsubsidized) iPhone costs around $800. Another $29 for a feature not everyone cares about is a pretty good deal.

Sansa makes an MP3 player (the clip) for ~$40. Won't impress anyone, but it plays music, has a sensible interface, and is pretty well built.

Pull the headphones out of the socket to pause if you have to have a mechanical way of doing it.

Half Sigma, I just today received in the mail my I PAD FOUR and activated it on verizon. I have owned the ipad one, ipad two, ipad three, and now the ipad four. I mostly use the ipad to browse the web in the park, in the back of taxis etc.

I am a pretty hard to impress person but I have to say the speed of web browsing on this new ipad four totally totally blows away the speed on the ipad three.

For people that have the money, i strongly suggest you consider selling your earlier model ipads on amazon or something and upgrading to the ipad four. its speed is mind blowing.

if you don't do a lot of web browsing thought i would say don't bother

HS wants a button. Steve Jobs hated buttons. Conflict ensued.

At this stage with smartphones having taken over the portable music player market, iPods basically exist as a gift item.

Anyone else using the I PAD FOUR ?

You can't go wrong with any device that supports Rockbox.

What is this Rockbox you ask?

It's a free and open source firmware/operating system replacement
for various mp3 players: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockbox

This is the sort of design idiocy that Apple fanatics defend all the time. I know, I used to be one of them. Apple products are overpriced toys, don't bother with that crap.

I can't believe people waste so much money on inferior products. Is it even possible to put an iPod into UMS/MSC mode? A relative asked me to put some songs on her iPod. Unlike my cheap mp3 player, her iPod could not be accessed as a folder. It had to sync, meaning that all songs had to also be on a computer, and this particular version could only sync with one computer. Otherwise, its memory would have to be cleared before syncing to a different computer. At least some iPods require annoying earbuds rather than bluetooth headphones. I could not run with earbuds.

The Rockbox OS looks like it can solve some of those issues. It sounds like Duokan, which I use as a Kindle OS. Open-source hacks definitely improve products.

sansa makes decent mp3 players, but it's not nearly as versatile as an ipod touch. Sigma bought the ipod touch as a cheap way to see firsthand why people (esp swpls) love iphones without having to pay for an iphone. he did not set out to buy the best mp3 player, he set out to buy an iphone-like device. The mp3 player is just one of many features he wanted to check out. And yes, ipods are supposed to be the creme de la creme mp3 players, so something like this pause button issue shows how careless and fallible Apple can be. just admit this oversight is a moderate blunder instead of being a fanatical fanboy who blames the victim for Apple's shortcomings.

Apple fanatics reminds me of people who blamed Hyundai drivers for getting low mpgs. Check out the forums prior to Hyundai admitting to overstating mpgs due to "procedural errors". Many forumers blame the drivers for the poor mpg. A typical response to these nOobS reads as follows: "I can get 40 mpg in my sleep. I got 41.2 mpgs the last time I drove from Syracuse to Montreal by using common sense. I had strong tailwinds in every direction I drove. I also inflated my 35 psi rated tires to a very modest 55 psi. I rarely ever braked and coasted at 70 mph 95% of trip. I drove mostly in a straight line with my windows up without the AC or heater on. You noobs just don't know how to drive properly and are just holding the steering wheel wrong. Stop blaming Hyundai for your fuel economy killing driving habits."

It really is hilarious the way apple fans rush to tell you that a product flaw isn't really a flaw. This despite the fact that UI is what they supposedly excel at.

i have not seen the new itouch, but the ipod as integrated with the iphone is as good a PMP as i have ever seen. yes, it has physical volume buttons. a very close second is the zune hd, which regretfully has been discontinued. it was an uncommonly brilliant MS product.

[HS: Even the cheapest mp3 player has a physical volume button. As well as physical buttons for pause, skip, go back. And all in a small size and a lower price. You can also transfer songs to other mp3 players without having to use the itunes program. If you are already going to be carrying the iphone all the time anyway, there's a case to be made that it's a good stand-in for a better mp3 player, but better mp3 players are inexpensive enough that you can always leave one at work, for example.]

Actually all MP3 players are crappy because the file reduction scheme loses a significant amount of information. Kids today get the same sound quality as their grandparents did with the old 45s.

[HS: I can't tell the difference between CD and compressed music files. You can also "rip" your CDs at higher bit rates if you are into that.]

Well, CD disks have their own problems, which most recording muscians have complained about.

It goes back to the Nyquist sampling theorem, which states that a sampling rate of at least twice the frequency is needed to identify that frequency. Identify does not mean reproduce. The theorem says "at least" but CD engineers decided that that meant two times. Since human ears crap out around 20,000 Hz, the CD engineers thought that a sampling rate of 40,000 Hz would be adequate. But, in order to fully reproduce the frequency, the sampling rate must be much higher than twice, maybe six times as high. So, CDs should have been recorded at around 120,000 Hz, or so. But then they would have been as large as LPs. You couldn't have a Walkman with discs that size.

It is notable that DVDs record sound closer to 6x rather than 2x 20,000 Hz. I can't hear the difference, but Eric Clapton and others can. They think the old analog recording machines and LPs are superior to CDs.

The one area in which CDs excel is defects. Around 30% of LPs had noticeable pops due to paper remnants embedded in the plastic. CDs don't have pops.

"As a pocket computer it has its charms, but it's a crappy mp3 player."

Then return it to buy iPad 4 and review it.

[HS: I bought it for purposes of professional development. I still need the the thing.]

This is the sort of design idiocy that Apple fanatics defend all the time. I know, I used to be one of them. Apple products are overpriced toys, don't bother with that crap.

Posted by: faffy | November 19, 2012 at 11:02 PM

I am glad to see someone smart and brave enough to admit he was at some point taken into a cult, and then broke off.

The "fanboy" phenomenon, especially the "Apple fanboy" phenomenon, is very interesting from a social science viewpoint.

It actually reinforces my conviction that most people are *not* capable of bearing the weight of dissent, debate, uncertainty and doubt, and will actively persecute dissenters through name-calling, ridiculing or exclusion to safeguard their self-esteem and reinforce group bonding. They will also idealize their leaders and forbid criticism of them --- just like criticizing Stalin or Hitler was tantamount to weird heresy, suggesting that Tim Cook may not be that smart, or that honest, or that innovative, results in you, the intelligent skeptic and rationalist, being labeled an idiot, in an interesting dramatic irony.

"this pause button issue shows how careless and fallible Apple can be. just admit this oversight is a moderate blunder"

Except that it is neither an oversight nor a blunder. It is clearly a deliberate cost cutting/unbundling measure on the cheaper (iPod) as opposed to more expensive (iPhone) product. The iPhone comes with the remote (physical buttons) on the wire; to get that with an iPod, you have to pay an extra $29.

[HS: But then if you want to use the iPod with your own headphones, you're back to not having physical buttons to control the music playback.

I think it was intentionally designed this way because a touchscreen is cool and physical buttons are so old-school.]

The popularity of ipods as mp3 players has peaked long ago and now Apple doesn't even pretend that they care for that market. Ipod shuffles and nanos are WAY overpriced; the ipod touch is the only one worthy and it's more of a pocket computer which happens to have a plug for headphones. The last reason to buy it is for its mp3 player capabilities.

I still use and like the ipod 4G I bought two years ago. It doesn't have any malfunction (but seriously, DON'T forget to buy a case and a protective film for the front) and the app store is still great. The little I have seen of Android apps look terrible compared to the regular iOS apps.

That said, the 5G is probably the last generation of Apple products that will satisfy their users for their life cycle. The fact that Apple couldn't release the iPhone 5G on schedule and that they have set on a patent trolling spree are huge tells that their demise is set on the horizon.

The mp3 player market is mostly gone and if you pay attention to Apple, they don't even pretend that they care for ipods as mp3 players anymore. The ipod touch is the only one worth buying (Jobs once described it as training wheels for the iPhone) and listening to music with it is the last reason to acquire it.

That said, I still use and like my Ipod touch 4G without any malfunction (but DON'T forget to get a case and a film layer) and the apps are still awesome. The little I have seen from Android apps look terrible in comparison.

Any comment on the audio? I'm really tempted into buying some high end headphones to see what I have been missing although paying > $150 does feel silly.

"But then if you want to use the iPod with your own headphones, you're back to not having physical buttons to control the music playback."

If you want to say that the iPhone is not designed to be an MP3 player, that absolutely true. It is a portable computer first, a phone second, and, maybe, an MP3 player third if at all.

The iPod touch, despite the iPod name being historically associated with MP3 players, is really just a cheap iPhone-lite, as others have pointed out. It isn't any more or less designed to be an "MP3 player" than the nearly-identical iPhone (which is to say hardly at all).

The designed-for-music iPod nano, shuffle and classic all have dedicated control buttons, even in their current versions. So Apple apparently isn't unwilling to use buttons for music players. The iPod touch isn't really a music player.

It's been an ongoing thing that the devices require more and more of our attention. Back in the days of the Walkman (like the real one, with cassette tapes) I was able to stop or start without having to take the thing off my belt. I had to configure my old Windows Mobile phone to be able to do the same.

Then Apple came along and blew everything up. Everyone, including Microsoft, emulated their blueprint. So frustrating.

That being said, on my Android phone, I can stop or start what I'm listening to using a bluetooth earpiece. (I don't even have to be using the earpiece to listen to it, but I can use it as a remote of sorts.)

Anyway, Slate has an article that touches on the subject: http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/technology/2011/11/iphone_touchscreens_tarnish_the_legacy_of_steve_jobs.single.html

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