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November 22, 2012

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Half Sigma, I agree that more mainstream journalists are studying Steve Sailer.

I think that the immigration debate in the mainstream is moving more in the direction of recognizing that certain groups have genetically low iq and certain ones have genetically high iQ..

as such, as a nation it may be good to allow immigration of one group and not another.

Let me give an example, As far as I know there is pretty much agreement in Australia that importing plenty of super high IQ high tax paying Northeast Asians is a pretty good idea

But recently when a fat prole billionaire woman who owned mines advocated for allowing large numbers of low IQ africans to move to Australia to work in her mines, she was shot down.

That shows IQ realism in Australia... a concensus in favour of high iq immigration and against low iq immigration.

Sweden is at the opposite end of the spectrum. In Sweden, it is government policy to move large numbers of immigrants to the country with genetically lower IQ than the IQ of the native Swedes. These immigrants earn much less money than native Swedes and are of course a massive drain on the national treasury.

A mostly white political elite exists in both Australia and Sweden..... it is my view that the white elite in Australia has accepted IQ realism and the white elite in Sweden just hasn't accepted it yet

I think this is an important distinction... I think you have to divide the 50 wealthy countries in to four relevant categories... ones that invite massive immigration with a focus on genetically high iq immigrants, ones that invite massive immigration with a focus on genetically low IQ immigrants, ones that invite both high and low IQ immigrants, and ones that essentially forbid mass immigration

The Australians will regret importing a non-White overclass. Look to the Phillipines to see what the Chinese have in mind for them.

"NY Times must be reading Steve Sailer"

Well obviously. And not only are they reading Sailer. We've caught them red-handed cribbing material from you in blatant acts of IP "value transference". Lena Dunham has certainly been reading Roissy.

It helps that the left is not only corrupt but also utterly devoid of ideas a la the late Soviet regime during the Andropov-Chernenko inflection point. When an unsustainable, but comfortable and smug, political structure is in its twilight and its justification for existence hinges on spewing increasingly hysterical and, worst of all, less believable lies the only way for someone with talent who operates in the machine can satisfy their creative urges is by stealing material from the dissidents.

Join us, you increasingly doubtful gen-Y and gen-X SWPLs and libertarians, and we will complete your training. With our combined strength we can end this destructive conflict and bring *order* to the Union.

Margaret Sanger IS your mother, Maureen. And considering her scientific judgement of the American negro she is most displeased with your slobbering over that negro in the White House.

Discard, I respect what you are saying. I understand that in the Phillipines the Chinese have genetically high IQ and the native Filipinos low IQ..

I know that the native Filipinos feel emotionally crummy about having a low IQ. They feel crummy that the good jobs go to the high IQ Chinese. Emotionally it is hard to be second class citizen.

But putting that aside, from a material prosperity standpoint, don't you think the native Filipinos have a higher standard of living today than they would if there had never been Chinese immigration to their country?

I mean, every single person that reads this blog agrees that the Rhodesian blacks had a much higher standard of living when whites ran their country compared to today. Couldn't it be the same in the Phillipines?

Man does not live by bread alone. The Byzantine Emperor was no less dictatorial than the Turkish Sultan, but the Greeks still consider the fall of Constantinople to be a great tragedy.

Why would anyone risk their life in Israel when North America awaits? And Jews in the USA are far, far, from slaves. No, there's something about the ethno-state that appeals to certain sort of tribal personality.

I don't have it, but I've come to acknowledge it exists.

"I mean, every single person that reads this blog agrees that the Rhodesian blacks had a much higher standard of living when whites ran their country compared to today. Couldn't it be the same in the Phillipines?"

Whites don't need Asians to build prosperous societies.

The reason only whites should be allowed to immigrate to Australia is because whites are psychologically better adapted to a Western mode of culture and politics than are Asians, regardless of Asian IQ.

The fact different races are better adapted for certain cultural environments than others is why culture cannot be divorced from race.

Note that "Tribalism" is not the reason race is important in immigration policy, psychological characteristics/adaptions is the correct reason. If culture depended on tribalism then it wouldn't be possible for Australia to assimilate non-British and Irish immigrant groups into their society because other European ethnicities such as Poles, Germans, Dutch, Belgians etc, are genetically different "tribes" than Anglo-Saxons.

Since nobody would argue that, say, Dutch immigrants would fail to integrate into Australian society because of their genetic composition then tribalism fails as grounds for a race realist immigration policy because tribalism doesn't explain why one different tribe, the Dutch, would likely integrate well into Anglo-Saxon society while a member of the African tribe would fail to integrate.

The reason the Dutch would integrate better into Anglo-Saxon society than non-whites ethnic groups would, despite the Dutch being a different ethnicity than the English, is because of Darwinian evolution: The evolved psychological adaptations of the Dutch are very consistent with an Anglo-Saxon mode of society.

"No, there's something about the ethno-state that appeals to certain sort of tribal personality."

Byzantium wasn't ethnically homogenous.

Russ Douhat and David Brooks clearly read Sailer/HBD. Atleast Tyler Cowen gives credit.

"Whites don't need Asians to build prosperous societies".

Thank you Undiscovered Jew for bringing to light that Asians aren't adapted to Western Civilization. Being a rote learner and attending a prestigious Ivy League isn't what Western society is about. Neither is money nor the acquisition of material possessions is what defines the greatness of the Western civilization, things that Asians are adamant are pursuing when compared to others. Being prosperous isn't the criteria that defines greatness. China was once prosperous, yet it was simply unremarkable with its creativity and ingenuity compared to the Europeans who surpassed them in every way imaginable.

@the undiscovered jew. Roissy/Chateau/Heartiste just re-states Michel Houellecouq (first 3 books) in blog form. So Denham could be reading that.

Have you guys ever even met a second, third, or fourth generation Japanese or Chinese American? Aside from eating different food (sometimes) and taking off their shoes in the house (a good habit in any event), they're pretty indistinguishable from upper middle class white people. You way undersell the assimilative power of American culture. The worst thing that happens is sometimes the kids take ethnic studies courses in college and get insufferable bitchy about American culture...but that happens to white people, too.

***psychological characteristics/adaptions is the correct reason.***

It's interesting reading "Conversations with Lee Kuan Yew" that he quite matter of factly observes that groups differ in this respect and that has significant implications for how a society performs.

"Have you guys ever even met a second, third, or fourth generation Japanese or Chinese American? Aside from eating different food (sometimes) and taking off their shoes in the house (a good habit in any event), they're pretty indistinguishable from upper middle class white people. You way undersell the assimilative power of American culture."

1) I have met plenty of second or higher generation Asian Americans and they are distinguishable from white Americans because of differing personality and behavioral differences compared to white Americans.

It is true they make an honest attempt to assimilate but they are not AS assimilable as white immigrants for hard coded adaptive reasons.

Answer this question honestly: IF for one year your neighborhood became 100% filled with second and higher generation Asian Americans, except for you, and then the next year your neighborhood was filled only with second and higher generation European immigrant Americans would you come out of the experience noticing ANY substantial cultural differences when your neighborhood flipped between Asian Americans and recent European immigrant Americans?

2) To the extent Asians do assimilate into American culture the Asians need to be immersed with white people so that they adopt white cultural norms as much as they are capable of.

However, if we surpass an "Asian threshold" where Asians start balkanizing in separate neighborhoods, schools, and workplaces, then assimilation fails because they don't have enough contact with white people to try and assimilate.

In order to assimilate as much as possible Asian immigrants it's imperative to keep America white so that Asians have enough social contact with white Americans to integrate.

Whites only immigration would help facilitate Asian American assimilation and more Asian immigration will retard their integration.

"Thank you Undiscovered Jew for bringing to light that Asians aren't adapted to Western Civilization."

Asians attempt to assimilate into Western culture but they don't assimilate as smoothly as European immigrants. A neighborhood filled entirely with second generation Asian Americans won't be culturally Western like a neighborhood filled with second generation European immigrants would be because the cognitive profile of European immigrants will fit a Western country's culture better.

Also, when there are too many Asians they have less contact with white people because whites will self segregate away from Asians after a certain Asian threshold is reached.

White's only immigration would help Asians assimilate because it would limit opportunities for ethnic balkanization.

"It's interesting reading "Conversations with Lee Kuan Yew" that he quite matter of factly observes that groups differ in this respect and that has significant implications for how a society performs."

Interesting. Did he limit himself only to IQ differences or did he make a broader point about different characteristics.

"@the undiscovered jew. Roissy/Chateau/Heartiste just re-states Michel Houellecouq (first 3 books) in blog form. So Denham could be reading that."

She's probably reading Roissy too. Knowing what I do about the lack of attention span and laziness of artistes and liberal arts educated bien pensants her preferred mode of reading is quite likely to brief, digestable, blog entries over entire books.

"Being prosperous isn't the criteria that defines greatness. China was once prosperous, yet it was simply unremarkable with its creativity and ingenuity compared to the Europeans who surpassed them in every way imaginable."

Good.

Now for emphasis, always remember that the issue over immigration involves adaptive psychological traits and whether or not those traits fit into a certain social structure, not tribalism.

While tribalism can be a cause of social conflict, it can't explain why some multicultural empires such as the Holy Roman Empire were able to survive for centuries with different ethnicities.

The reason the Holy Roman Empire lasted so long was because the various ethnicities/tribes that made up her population all had cognitive profiles which more or less meshed with the cognitive profiles of the other European ethnic groups living under that political environment.

Psychological adaptation has greater explanatory power than tribalism because Darwinian adaptation explains why different ethnic groups can fit in one social environment and other ethnic groups don't fit as well.

One more issue, on the other thread some people were referring to evolutionary adaptations as mutations. Actually, adaptations are trait combinations, not "mutations".

Asexually reproducing organisms have much higher rates of mutation but sexually reproducing lifeforms have an evolutionary advantage because sexual reproduction allows for more efficient combination of traits and characteristics to be tried out in the environment.

The worth of trait combinations is judged on grounds of whether the traits fused together through sexual reproduction result in desirable or undesirable outcomes for a given environment. In the future, do not confuse Darwinian evolution with merely "mutations", the trait combinations are what really makes evolution function for more advanced lifeforms.

"The reason the Holy Roman Empire lasted so long was because the various ethnicities/tribes that made up her population all had cognitive profiles which more or less meshed with the cognitive profiles of the other European ethnic groups living under that political environment".

Yes, it's the same reason why the Medieval Islamic Empire crumbled in 500 years. Too many different tribes/races with different cognitive makeup all vying to rule. Arabs, Turks and the Mongols were fighting each other and none of them could control anything for long, because their subjects were physically and cognitively different from them.

All the great Islamic geniuses were also of Caucasoid background, and they resemble nothing like the Muslims you see today in the Middle East.

Islam was definitely against HBD, and this is the main reason why this religion has been a great failure to this day.

"The reason only whites should be allowed to immigrate to Australia is because whites are psychologically better adapted to a Western mode of culture and politics than are Asians, regardless of Asian IQ."

Asians don't emigrate/reproduce in great enough numbers in any Western society for this to be a serious problem. They rapidly fall into the prosperity trap where their fertility plunges to West European levels and decide to live La Dolce Vita instead of having huge families.

"Yes, it's the same reason why the Medieval Islamic Empire crumbled in 500 years. Too many different tribes/races with different cognitive makeup all vying to rule. Arabs, Turks and the Mongols were fighting each other and none of them could control anything for long, because their subjects were physically and cognitively different from them."

The Mongols weren't Islamic.

The Chinese ruin neighborhoods when their numbers hit a certain percentage of the population. The commercial areas start to stink of garbage and nasty food. Where a decent house used to be, an oversized architectural monstrosity of a McMansion that nearly covers the entire lot now stands, along with 10 import cars (souped up ricers and luxury cars) parked all over the place. Rental units formerly owned by decent honest landlords are now owned by extremely greedy slumlords who charge as much rent as they can , cheat their tenants out of their money and disregard all laws designed to protect tenants. They know 98% of tenants won't sue. Chinese also bid up the price of real estate by increasing supply by sponsoring all their family members and encouraging their friends to move to the neighborhood/city. the influx of Chinese tends to happen rapidly while the supply of housing can't keep up with the pace. Furthermore, the chinese tend to arrive with enough money for a massive downpayment or enough money to buy property with cash. They are house so hungry to own property that they get into intense bidding wars that lead to incredible bubbles. Just look at Chinese heavy cities such as san Francisco, vancouver, toronto, los angeles or any neighborhood with a large chinese population.

Chinese are also very loud in public and have bad manners. these traits do mellow out with successive generations though. Their businesses sell cheap crap junk schlock. Chinese either sell/buy dirt bottom crap or extremely expensive over-the-top garish crap; they'll buy a $1 plastic bucket and $2 broom while buying a jade dragon statue for $500 for good luck. They're either miserly cheap bastards or spendthrifters with no concept of value.

Some have mentioned east Asian immigration to Australia, so as as someone who is an Australian and as someone who lives in Sydney, the most important city in Australia, I have a few comments.

1. The best school in the state is a De facto Asian school. One need not look up statistics or demographics because the Asians who go to the school freely admit that they run the school and even joke about it, as is depicted in this video(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkvHXzy2BQM).

The funny thing about this school is that it's a farming school, which may sound prole to many american readers. I have no idea why the top school in the state teaches farming, but the best and brightest of NSW all graduate as semi-competent farmers.

The teaching of agriculture may seem silly and a complete waste of time, but at least they are taught something semi-traditional, which is a far cry away from the elitist liberal values that the american elite graduate with.

2. I am a student and work part time at one of the top grocery store chains in Australia, and the majority of mangers are hard-working prole East Asians, who work at least 50 hours a week.

The fact that the majority of managers are east Asians comes as no surprise to anyone with some HBD knowledge, but most whites I work with don't understand it, and are quite pissed off that they are always passed over for promotions.

3. A suburb called Chatswood has recently been dubbed 'chatswong' after the influx of East Asians. At present, 35% of the population was born overseas in East Asian countries, and the minority who were actually born in Chatswood are surely majority East Asian.

Unlike other suburbs where Aboriginals and middle eastern Muslims live, Chatswood has become one of the most prosperous and lively suburbs in all of Sydney.

I regularly visit chatswood, and there is really no other suburbs quite like it in Sydney. It definitely has an Asian feel to it -- Open air markets, street bartering and Asian script on mostly every single shop.

As well as East Asians, we also have a few islanders (Polynesians), and they are always being spoken to by the police. Some of the more rebellious and low IQ east Asians hang out with them and find themselves in trouble with the cops, but this is to be expected.

I liken Polynesians to Mexicans. They tend to be laid back, easy-going and friendly. But once you cross a certain threshold and piss them off even slightly, they'll threaten to you with violence. Polynesians have massive families and enjoy sitting around partying loudly and boisterously in and around their house from sunset to sunrise. When rows after rows of houses/apt units are occupied by Polynesians, they'll frequently have massive block parties at least once a week. the residents tend to sit outside drinking and just hanging out nearly everyday.

"Let me give an example, As far as I know there is pretty much agreement in Australia that importing plenty of super high IQ high tax paying Northeast Asians is a pretty good idea"

Not all Australians like these Asians going into their country.

TUJ, really enjoy reading your posts. Top Stuff.

One hard to overlook difference between assimilating different immigrants is of course their appearance. A 2nd gen dutch immigrant in Australia is indistinguishable from the anglo population. Locals treat them as locals and they find the whole place more accepting of them. East asians not nearly as much despite their smarts. This is even more pronounced during formative years. Children notice race immediately and aren’t so bound by social conventions, ie they notice and may act on it.

As an aussie, I’m no big fan of focusing on high iq east asian immigration. East asians dominate many SE asian countries, practically running the indonesian, malaysian, singaporean and phillipino economies. Would much prefer high IQ europeans who will assimilate better. I guess compared to alternatives it is not so bad, alternatives being low iq/low impulse control types.

"super high IQ high tax paying Northeast Asians"

You need to add "Democrat-voting" to that list of traits.

http://reappropriate.co/?p=2770
How the Asian American electorate shaped Election Night 2012

"We added a record four new Asian American congressional representatives — all Democratic —
[...]
73% support for President Obama among Asian American voters"

"super high IQ high tax paying Northeast Asians"

http://aaldef.org/press-releases/press-release/the-majority-of-asian-americans-support-race-conscious-admissions-policies.html
The Majority of Asian Americans Support Race-Conscious Admissions Policies

"among Asian American voters, support for Prop 209 was only in the range of 39% to 44%"
[compared to 63% of whites who voted for.
wikipedia: Proposition 209 November 1996 amended the state constitution to prohibit state government institutions from considering race, sex, or ethnicity, specifically in the areas of public employment, public contracting or public education.]

exit polls also found that 75% of Asian American voters in Michigan rejected Michigan's Proposal 2
[which passed with 58%.
wikipedia: legislation aimed at stopping the preferential treatment of minorities (by race, color, sex, or religion) in getting admission to colleges, jobs, and other publicly funded institutions.]

63.1% of Asian Americans indicated that affirmative action "is a good thing" as opposed to 5.7% who reported that it is a "bad thing"

Everyone who is anyone in the elite punditry circles reads Sailer. Few of them will ever admit to it. Heck, lots of them even read your blog.

"importing plenty of super high IQ high tax paying Northeast Asians is a pretty good idea"

And we get yet another opressed class to have the "first [opressed group] does [activity] in [x] years" newspaper articles. Position achieved 100% on merit, of course, and not for the diversity brownie points they would get.


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"I mean, every single person that reads this blog agrees that the Rhodesian blacks had a much higher standard of living when whites ran their country compared to today." -- ewones

Remind me again how that turned out for the whites in Rhodesia? Or the Hindus in Uganda and Tonga? Or the Chinese in Indonesia and Malaysia? Material prosperity is all well and good. But it doesn't trump evolutionary psychology and tribalism. It always ends badly. And I don't just mean on a racial level. Blacks can't get along with blacks. Whites can't get along with whites. Moslems can't get along with moslems. And Asians can't get along with Asians. Yet you think you can put them together and suddenly they're all going to get along? Not going to happen. You might get by with it for a while. But sooner or later its going to blow up. Might take 2 or 3 generations. But sooner or later there will be a major war or an economic collapse and it will blow up. Like I said, if every group fights amongst itself how the hell are different groups not going to? It's bad enough dealing with it where it already exists. But anyone who would take a homogeneous country and curse it with "diversity" should be dragged through the streets naked and bleeding.

"One hard to overlook difference between assimilating different immigrants is of course their appearance. A 2nd gen dutch immigrant in Australia is indistinguishable from the anglo population. Locals treat them as locals and they find the whole place more accepting of them. East asians not nearly as much despite their smarts. This is even more pronounced during formative years."

Your point about physical appearance makes sense. However, psychological adaptations is a more powerful argument to make because aesthetic appearance is more subjective than psychometrics and psychological traits are the main issue surrounding race because nobody on the left argues that physical differences between races aren't based on genetics.

"Children notice race immediately and aren’t so bound by social conventions, ie they notice and may act on it."

I don't agree with this point. I've noticed small children and babies are pretty oblivious to race.

"Your point about physical appearance makes sense. However, psychological adaptations is a more powerful argument to make because aesthetic appearance is more subjective ..."

Asian men have a harder time attracting mates other than their own. Another reason why it would be better for them to stay away from Western countries.

"importing plenty of super high IQ high tax paying Northeast Asians is a pretty good idea"

No, it's not a good idea since Asians are a failure in a multiracial society that doesn't reward them with meritocracy based on ability, but on racial and political agendas.

Ashkenazi Jews have a higher IQ than Northeast Asians and European Gentiles have a lower one. But both groups have surpassed East Asians in creativity and innovative ability and White gentiles have surpassed the Ashkenazi, which means high IQ doesn't equate to societal progression.

Weird, they didnt mention "Cory Booker Gay" when that's the 3rd thing in autofill by the time you get to "cory b-". Gotta protect their favored sons.

"No, it's not a good idea since Asians are a failure in a multiracial society that doesn't reward them with meritocracy based on ability, but on racial and political agendas." -- Just Speculating

Asians are affected by NAM privilege such as AA the same as whites are. But the claims I've heard over the years that Asians are somehow discriminated against for being Asian are not supported by the evidence. The stats from the Espenshade study simply don't support it. Moreover, Asians actually tend to underperform their test scores in the real world. I'm not knocking testing. The evidence strongly supports the utility of IQ and test scores. So, on average, a black with an IQ of 105 is more productive than a black with an IQ of 100. A white with an IQ of 105 is more productive than a white with an IQ of 100. And an Asian with an IQ of 105 is more productive than an Asian with an IQ of 100. But I'm not convinced that someone with an IQ of 105 is statistically more productive than someone of another race who has an IQ of 100. There are qualities aside from actual problem solving that influence productivity. I think we've all known people who were more competent and effective than others with higher IQs and test scores. Statistically that's unlikely. But my point is there are other qualities aside from raw IQ that affect productivity. Cranking out problems on paper or on a test doesn't always translate to getting shit done in the real world. And it's unlikely that those other qualities are equally distributed among populations. The unequal distribution probably isn't enough to overcome a 20 point difference. But I could easily see it overcoming a 5 point difference.

And I'll suggest one ~possible~ reason for why Asians might underperform their test scores. They work harder. At least in school. They bust their ass to get the best scores and grades possible. Whites tend to rely more on brains than grind. Therefore, Asians end up working with whites who are a little smarter because they didn't work as hard to get there. I think there are probably a number of qualities that both help and hurt Asians. But I think the net affect of all of them is that Asians underperform their test scores by a few points.

I recently watched a video by Jacob Barnett making an adjacent point that studying too hard can get great grades but kills creativity. Which is exactly how Asians are often described -- very studious and hardworking but lacking in creativity.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uq-FOOQ1TpE

"White gentiles have surpassed the Ashkenazi"

There is no question that white gentiles have been responsible for most of the truly great discoveries and new technologies. However, there are something like 100 times as many white gentiles in the world as there are Ashkenazi Jews. Furthermore, European Jews were handicapped by restrictive traditional Judaism and legal inequality until the mid-19th century.

@ Destructure

From all my years interacting with Asians, most of them don't appear to be all that bright. I find Asians rather stiff and not curious about the things around them. This is rather surprising given the fact that they have higher IQs than Whites. I could understand why NAMs lack perceptive ability because they are less intelligent, but for Asians, it must be something else.

@ Nebbish

"There is no question that white gentiles have been responsible for most of the truly great discoveries and new technologies. However, there are something like 100 times as many white gentiles in the world as there are Ashkenazi Jews. Furthermore, European Jews were handicapped by restrictive traditional Judaism and legal inequality until the mid-19th century".

Yes, but the Ashkenazis have demonstrated more creative ability than the Northeast Asians, who are less creative than White gentiles. This goes to show you that high IQ doesn't measure creative ability. It really has to do with racial differences. On a side note, Jews have suffered a lot more discrimination than Asians in this country and have surpassed them in income and educational attainments, not to mention Nobel peace prizes. The argument Asians would make is that Jews are White, and so things would be easier for them in America. But by looking at historical facts, Jews were heavily discriminated in an era of American anti-semitism before the 20th century, while the Asians have benefitted by the changes Jews were fighting for.

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