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November 08, 2012

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OK, abortion. Republicans are still going to pick Supreme Court justices that don't like to make crap up because it seems like a good idea. Rather, Republicans are going to choose Supreme Court justices who ask is this a constitutional issue? So Democrats can still beat a pro-choice Republican, because Republicans won't choose a SupCt justice that will make shit up as they go.

I think the wording of the question "Government should do more to solve problems" vs "Government is doing too many things better left to businesses and individuals" is skewed to produce results that are a bit more favorable to a conservative outlook than what's really happening. When tangible questions are asked, the results are different. Most exit polls suggest that 60% of Ohio voters approved of the auto bailout.

Also, Sherrod Brown is far more liberal than Obama on fiscal issues, and is probably the most liberal member of the Senate after Bernie Sanders. He outperformed Obama by more than three percent.

Based on income, it is class struggle.

"So Democrats can still beat a pro-choice Republican, because Republicans won't choose a SupCt justice that will make shit up as they go."

Good point. Plus the fact that abortion is freaking murder. If the Republicans have to become a pro-murder party in order to win, then the country is @#$#ed anyway.

42% hispanic GOP vote could easily be bumped up to 50%+ with targeted appeals. It won't matter in Ohio (yet.... remember hispanics like to multiply) but it would in FL, CA. There absolutely should be voter ID requirements, not to suppress the black vote but because it's the right thing to do. As far as abortion, it's always going to be a fine line to toe politically but as another commenter says, if we become murderers, what good are we anyway?

Chill out, dude. 20 and 50 years from now there will either be two or more real parties in the US or there won't. My guess is that there will be two. And they will dislike each other just as much as the Bushies dislike the anti-Bushies. As of today, nobobody has to give up their convictions because of what the median uninformed Ohioan who went to the polls might have thought. Think about things a little. There have been more than a hundred S Ct "justices" since the 18th century. A few might have imposed their will in limited areas for a little while, but absolutely zero of them made American patriots do what they (the "justices') wanted for very long. Free people basically do what they want. No celebrity of whose name I have heard is likely to keep you from doing the legal things that you want to do. Have you ever seen a Western? Did anyone in a Western ever mention the name of the president? Lighten up. As Frank Sinatra said, let Poland be Poland.


Btw, HS, hope you don't mind me calling you "dude". I think in real life we would get along - we both had semi-prole Jewish parents who had no idea how to help us get along in life, we both screwed up in choosing educational units, and we both grew up within an hour of Manhattan, which is an amazingly nice place if you have money, which both of us have apparently lacked for most of our lives. But you have no idea how annoying it is to see someone as intelligent as you completely screw the pooch on the issues of the day that compare to the slavery and indentured servant issues of the earlier centuries in this country.

Your idea about suppressing the black vote is the very definition of a non-starter. It's just not going to happen.

Good ideas, HS.

Whether the Republicans will listen to them is another problem altogether. I don't get why so many Conservatives are so against abortion. I mean, if you want to raise the % of whites voting for Republicans, then you have to move to the left on some issues. Duh.

The idea that you can appeal to socially and/or fiscally liberal whites with a hardcore conservative message is ludicrous. Sorry, but getting a higher % of the white vote means going to left on at least a few issues, abortion being one of them.

"Your idea about suppressing the black vote is the very definition of a non-starter. It's just not going to happen."

Not to mention illegal...

Prolifers will not vote for pro aborts. They will form their own party if the Republicans go pro abortion. That might not actually be so bad if half ∑ is right that some dems would vote republican if the only thing holding them back is abortion. That would put the dems below 50% Prolifers would be about 30-50% Republicans would get the rest and could govern as a coalition with Prolifers on every thing except abortion.

My concern is that few fiscal conservatives are single issue voters who vote democrat just because they love abortion so much they are willing to toss out everything else because abortion is their biggest issue. Half ∑ doesn't behave that way.

I can envision an anti immigration party of fiscal conservatives that would get more takers than a pro abortion republican party.

How can you believe both this:

"Republicans need to work on suppressing the black vote if they are going to be competitive in the future"

and this:

"they have to stop shamelessly pandering to rich "

I can't even follow your ideology anymore. Are you pro-white middle class? I'm with you about value-transference but don't understand the rest of your views.

@ Dr. Grzlickson

Half Sigma's motto used to be "the new politics of common sense neither liberal, conservative, or libertarian", or something to that effect. It was a lot better and catchy than what he has now.

--Good point. Plus the fact that abortion is freaking murder. If the Republicans have to become a pro-murder party in order to win, then the country is @#$#ed anyway.--

Stupid comment. Abortion is good. Less NAMs and less DWLs.

"Your idea about suppressing the black vote is the very definition of a non-starter. It's just not going to happen." -- Peter

Why are voter ID and an assigned officer not going to happen? Its common practice everywhere else. The UN observers were stunned we don't already do it.

http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/11/06/foreign_election_officials_amazed_by_trust_based_us_voting_system

If Republicans can only win by suppressing black turnout, then they are the party of losers.

[HS: Winners know how to fight dirty. That's what Democrats do. Republicans need to fight just as dirty as Democrats.]

I dont trust people to be able to aggregate all of their views into a statements like "government should do more to solve problems" and "Government is doing too many things better left to businesses and individuals." If you gave people specifics they would come down as pro government.

I dont know how you can talk about a manufacturing state like Ohio and not talk about trade tariffs. They want jobs and US aggregate demand is being bled off to give jobs to people overseas instead of domestically. And then when trade tariffs cause their economy to come back they're going to want immigration restriction.

Like I said before Pat Buchanan figured out the formula for making the Republicans appeal to the broadest spectrum of whites. Economic populism combined with pro america, pro family, pro faith, attitudes and policies.

"If Republicans can only win by suppressing black turnout, then they are the party of losers." - ScarletKnight


The drug war does that for us legally. That's why it's critical to continue it and stop all efforts at decriminalization. Taking away the voting rights of NAM criminals helps prevent the descent into third world status. Plus it's really hard to get people to testify against dealers and gangbangers so drug charges help to lock away nasty people. Even when they aren't necessarily violent offenders they likely will be in the future so having their mugshot, prints, and possibly DNA in law enforcement databases is a very good thing. This is more valuable than voter ID laws.

HS: I tend to agree with your point that it is counterproductive for the GOP to refuse tax increases on the very rich who do not support them. Of course, the $250K threshold is not "rich" let alone very rich.

But I wonder if there is not room for the GOP to agree to tax increases on the truly very rich or even on specific sources of income - such as royalties from artistic works, or remuneration in respect of motion pictures. Target those very rich who support the Democrats with higher taxes.

The GOP should really look hard at supporting a massive easing of restrictions on filesharing and IP laws in general (Silicon Valley is another Democratic party money generator). They might also benefit from pushing to end federal laws on weed, it fits well with their states rights platform, and current treatment of alcohol (with local restrictions on sale even to dry counties).

Rich GOP doners should take to heart the business ideas from Whiskey and Furious D and look into getting Nashville based film/TV studios started up. Phil Anschutz (Chronicles of Narnia series)might be a good person to leverage here. Aim for a bunch of cheap films and cheap cable content that hints at a conservative message (don't start by overselling the message which seems to be a tricky issue).

People in the low 6-figures range feel they have the most to lose through Democratic tax policies. And, honestly, it must be psychologically difficult to see 110k next to GROSS and 75k next to NET, compared to seeing, say 75k next to 50k, or 1mil next to 700k.

Obama campaigned extremely hard at Ohio State university; he visited at least twice, and there was both a big university sponsored and democrat funded pro-Obama "get out the vote" campaign. Democrats hired teenagers to beat the streets around the OSU campus getting the vote out to clean cut white kids. The republicans just ran radio ads about how Obama was "bad."

For all the cheap talk on this blog about how great scientists, doctors, and engineers are, only Obama spent any effort campaigning on this university campus, the sole university that dominates in high education and research in every category here in the state of Ohio.

Meanwhile, the Romney campaign insinuated that university students, who depend exclusively on university stipends and earn about $20k a year, were "Dependent" and "Feeling Entitled" and promoted a campaign about cutting their funding and the evils of abortion.

You don't live in Ohio, so you don't know what it's like here. Romney lost Ohio because Obama campaigned very hard here and Romney depended on the polls that said that Ohioans were disappointed with Obama, which they were, and that many voters vote exclusively on the abortion issue, which they do. Obama campaigned very hard for "have hope, give me time, I'm not patronizing you, here I am" in Ohio. It worked

Christian "Prole whites" who were once staunch republicans (my parents included) also resent the republican party due to recent events in Ohio state politics. Look up "Ohio Senate Bill 5."

Don't blame Romney's loss on "the blacks" and "illegal voting." Blame it on the failures of the republican party since W.

The Repubs should continue to press for voter ID laws, and bring the UN observers' amazement that there is no such requirement into the argument.

The abortion question is way too general; I know a lot of people who think abortion should be legal who favor some pretty stiff restrictions on the practice. The problem with Repubs is they can't seem to convince the hard core pro-lifers that 1) abortion is not going to be outlawed and 2)if you consider abortion murder, reducing the number of babies murdered is preferable to increasing the number of babies murdered due to pursuit of a position the public opposes. As with a lot of activist issues, it seems like abortion opponents are more concerned with looking righteous than being effective.

On the tax issue, Repubs should accept higher taxes on high income people, but find a way to exempt small businesses.

'Republicans need to work on suppressing the black vote if they are going to be competitive in the future. How do they do that? By vigorously pursuing anti-voter fraud laws. Require a photo ID to vote, and purge the voter rolls of people who moved or haven’t voted in a certain number of years. Also, put a uniformed policeman at every polling place. Because blacks are afraid of the police, this might deter some blacks from voting. Republicans need to make this a big priority.'

Trololololololol

Shorter version: Republicans should jettison evangelicals, a massive part of their base (but then enlightened blogs such as this don't just find them wrong, but completely irrational/possibly subhuman, so this is OK) and hope they win enough blue-state SWPLs to make up for it, cuz it's not like they won't find other reasons to hate Republicans.

yeah, good luck with that.

Also Akin may be dumb but the official Democratic position of no restrictions whatsoever on abortion is not even shared by several European countries

higher income voters aren't force fed rush limbaugh in the workplace.

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