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December 16, 2012

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This is a monumental moment and a failure of Half Sigma's "marry well" thesis. Prole dysfunction (divorce, alimony, single motherhood, poor upbringing) has reached the upper classes.

expect lots more "white males are mass shooters" propaganda to come.

HS, Ryan was the nerd. He graduated high school, went to college and became gainfully employed.

Or more simply:

Peter Lanza: Highly intelligent, very social businessman.

Ryan Lanza: Highly intelligent, nerdy businessman

Adam Lanza: Highly intelligent, schizoid mass murderer?

HS,

You mention something that I too find frustrating. It's always "we'll find out soon enough" about X mass murderer. Except we never do find out because the media naturally moves on and it is impossible to gain access to the professionals who do know the story of the family history of the killers.

I want to know what are the day-to-day interactions of these people. How reclusive are they? Did Adam Lanza have contact with his dad? Why did the parents divorce? Was the mom neurotic before the kid was known to be mentally disturbed or did she develop what is being characterized as a sort of neuroticism after her kid showed himself to be disturbed?

They say that we'll figure these details out in due time, but as you point out, what do we know about Jared Loughner's family history or that of James Holmes?

This feels more like a case of a guy who was mentally ill and probably should have been committed to some institution, but unfortunately we no longer commit crazy people to institutions.

I agree with you in principle (that we should lock up crazy people) but in reality, given who is actually in charge of determining whom is or is not crazy, this is a very bad idea. We are better off with more nutjobs on the loose than with basically anyone the leftists don't like locked up.

I also agree that the mother was likely crazy. BUT note that in the press, the key evidence that she was crazy seems to be that she was worried about economic collapse and preparing for it -- aka, that she was a right winger.

The divorce of the parents is huge, but basically ignored.

Holmes is a different story, as his background is likely to come out at his trial.

Speaking of fascinating mass killers who have disappeared down the memory hole.. what about Loughner?

The meme sweeping the conservative blogosphere (sort of) -- that the decline in institutionalization is a liberal conspiracy -- is somewhat misguided. It completely ignores the advent of dopamine antagonists, which allow schizophrenics and other mentally ill persons to function in society. While it is unclear what was wrong with Adam Lanza at this point, I have not heard mention that he was taking any anti-psychotics. We shall see.

The decline in institutionalization was definitely justified by the ACLU and other left institutions, but I think there was also a fiscally conservative side to it. In short: a bipartisan disaster. There definitely should be an option to institutionalize people before they commit crimes.

Nancy Lanza was a "prepper" who thought the world was ending:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2249185/Connecticut-school-shooting-Did-paranoid-gun-crazed-mother-trigger-Adam-Lanzas-school-killing-spree-Friends-say-believed-world-edge-collapse.html

She was crazy. Her little boy-bot just enacted her insanity.

We still don't have any real evidence of Adam's IQ level.

"Prole dysfunction (divorce, alimony, single motherhood, poor upbringing) has reached the upper classes".

Many wealthy SWPL women here in NYC screw several guys just about every month. Does this count as dysfunction or indulgence? Not to mention coke snorts as a richly pleasure. We're talking about women who would be neighbors of the late Steve Jobs had he been in town, and not the ghetto NAMs with their usual bad habits.

@ Conquistador -

Neither Peter Lanza nor Nancy Lanza originated in the upper class. In a different thread here, another commenter posted a link to an article in a NH newspaper that contained some information about Nancy Lanza's family. In short, they were farmers and policemen. Respectable, but hardly upper class or even upper middle class.

"Speaking of fascinating mass killers who have disappeared down the memory hole.. what about Loughner?"

I am content with my knowledge about Loughner's mental conditional. How about being satisfied that he was schizophrenic; did not act under rational motivations; dropped out of high school; believed Pima Community College was a "genocide school", thought the government was "controlling the grammar", and that "words have no meaning".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGojJ5tKX-4 (genocide school video)
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Don't know much about Holmes though. Apparently, according to his GRE, he's a genius.

"Speaking of fascinating mass killers who have disappeared down the memory hole.. what about Loughner?"

He plead guilty and received a life sentence, avoiding the death penalty, so there was no trial.

This reminds of an episode of Law and Order that I once watched. The particular show was about a mother whose husband had been gunned down or murdered somehow a few years ago and she was left to raise her two young boys on her own.

Her youngest boy was discovered by police eating out of a garbage can. The boy said that he was always hunger because his mother didn't feed him. Well, the police went to the mother's home and it turns out that she did feed the boy, but she was very controlling about it and only let him eat flavorless vegan-type food. Eventually the older boy murdered his younger brother.

Then it turns out that the mother had a third son who only came to light once the middle-boy was in jail. The older brother told of how his mother had always been "off" but the worst of her tendencies had been kept in check by their father. Once the father was gone, the mother just went straight crazy because there was no moderating influence to keep her in check.

This same dynamic may have been at play with Adam's mother. When she was married, her husband may have kept the worst of her paranoia at bay and made sure that Adam didn't totally lose his connection with reality and spiral into utter craziness. Well, once the father was gone there was no one to keep either the mother or the son from losing their grip. So the mother became the type of gun nut who tells anyone who will listen about her love of guns and fear of the world ending, and the son became more and more mentally, disconnected from society, and began to take on his mother's paranoia.

If she had still been married I think the presence of the father would have been able to prevent this tragedy from happening.

Maybe Adam Lanza's brother or father will write a book about him. The parents of John Hinckely, the schizophrenic who shot Reagan, wrote a book about him and his struggle with mental illness.

http://www.amazon.com/Breaking-Points-Jack-Hinckley/dp/0425087840/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1355713395&sr=8-1&keywords=breaking+point+hinkley

The great irony is that Adam Lanza's mother stockpiled guns out of an irrational fear of a hypothetical external event, when all along she was harbouring her own assassin who used them to kill her and 26 others. Her paranoia only fed into his. This was a basket case - a totally dysfunctional pair from the start and no one in Newtown was prepared to help them. This was the essence of Obama's speech tonight.

"This feels more like a case of a guy who was mentally ill and probably should have been committed to some institution, but unfortunately we no longer commit crazy people to institutions. We let them become homeless or become criminals."

I just read Adam Lanza applied to buy a gun for himself just before the attack but was rejected by the gun store. So there must have already been some history in his record that indicated he was unsuitable to purchase a firearm when when his background was pulled data up.

"I agree with you in principle (that we should lock up crazy people) but in reality, given who is actually in charge of determining whom is or is not crazy, this is a very bad idea. We are better off with more nutjobs on the loose than with basically anyone the leftists don't like locked up."

Ditto.

The odds of being shot to death by a white nerd schizophrenic are statistically too minute to justify giving the government even more power.

"In short: a bipartisan disaster."

I'm not sure if it was a disaster on the whole. Most criminally insane people simply wound up in prison instead of a mental institution.

Mommy may have been a determined prepper, ready to face The End of the World As We Know It, but she was totally unprepared to deal with four bullets to the face.

"We still don't have any real evidence of Adam's IQ level."

He took college courses at age 16 in subjects ranging from programming to economics with a gpa of 3.26. Is that enough to satisfy he was not mentally retarded?

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/connecticut-school-shooting-adam-lanza-attended-college-classes/story?id=17992396#.UM6YKeTO1C4

"The meme sweeping the conservative blogosphere (sort of) -- that the decline in institutionalization is a liberal conspiracy -- is somewhat misguided. It completely ignores the advent of dopamine antagonists, which allow schizophrenics and other mentally ill persons to function in society."

A problem there is that the mentally ill aren't always so conscientious about taking their meds.

Institutionalization is not the solution. The solution is stronger families and de-urbanization. If this kid were living on a farm with both of his parents and maybe a bachelor uncle he would be fine. He would be with his married parents and he would see that his brother and his brother's future wife would take those places. He would see that his bachelor uncle had a decent life despite not being married, and that he would take that place. Every social change that happened in the last century was a huge mistake.

Ok classes, I see that there is still some confusion on this. I think that Half Sigma's theory of values and in-laws can be taken to its completion, with three core classes and three hybrids. Each class values something and seeks status in a different way.

The three core classes are the upper class, the middle class, and the proles.

Upper class: gains status through social dominance. Typical job: executive. Dream job: philanthropist.

Middle class: gains status through intellect. Typical job: engineer. Dream job: inventor.

Working class (prole): gains status through hard work. Typical job: facilities. Dream job: landlord.

Next are the hybrids:

Upper-middle class (hybrid of upper class and middle class): gains status through using intellect to dominate socially. That is by using buzzwords, jargon, and aesthetic taste. Typical job: NGO. Dream job: Diplomat.

Upper-working class (hybrid of upper class and working class): gains status by working very hard to dominate socially. Typical job: salesman. Dream job: Banking.

Working Middle class (hybrid of middle class and working class): gains status by doing hard work that not all proles can do. Typical job: tech support. Dream job: java programmer.

Ok about the mother being a prepper. That's not really crazy, just misinformed. Over the next century or two western civilization is going to collapse. Apparently only the smartest see this. People who are only a standard deviation or two above the mean might see the signs of a collapse but they misinterpret it as a sudden collapse. A sudden collapse is not going to happen. However people who prepare for a sudden collapse when they should be preparing for a gradual collapse are less wrong than those who are not preparing for any collapse at all.

Of course the mother is crazy, she's divorced. When a couple gets divorced you can bet money that the woman has a serious mental illness.

'believed Pima Community College was a "genocide school", thought the government was "controlling the grammar", and that "words have no meaning". '

A bit over the top, but higher education isn't good for fertility and the left doesn't really stick to definitions when talking.

Media never told us what was wrong with Trayvon either...

"Mommy may have been a determined prepper, ready to face The End of the World As We Know It, but she was totally unprepared to deal with four bullets to the face."

And your point is?

"I just read Adam Lanza applied to buy a gun for himself just before the attack but was rejected by the gun store. So there must have already been some history in his record that indicated he was unsuitable to purchase a firearm when when his background was pulled data up."

He refused to go through the background check and didn't want to abide by the state's waiting period for gun purchases.

T, overreact much? How many more people do you think will die in rampage shootings in the coming months.

Surely it's fewer than those that will die in cars. Should we go back to horse and buggy too?

You know people, sometimes, bad things happen, and there really isn't always anything we can do. Chill out and keep things in perspective.

Before everyone goes off too much on blaming the mom, might keeping the realities of behavioral genetics in mind be prudent?

Good lord dont even think about giving more power to the psychiatry lobby. Gun control is NOTHING compared to what leftist power can accomplish if the DSM were allowed to freely choose whom to lock up. Homosexuality was a psychiatric illness couple of decades ago, then the zeitgeist changed and probably homophobia will be classified as a mental illness in a couple of decades.

Psychiatry needs to be ridiculed and stood up to, not given any more power. No psychiatrist could have predicted shootings like the one at Aurora. But they will come up with nonsense like the "Authoritarian Personality" (by Horkheimerr and Adorno) that basically said all right wing people were insane. And it is one of the most widely read psych books.

Psychiatry is an evil, disgusting form of social control. Even Foucault, a leading leftist, felt the same way. Governmental control is nothing compared to the evils that giving psychiatrists free rein over the lockup system would lead to.

Psychiatry is fine as long as it is limited to psychosis - ie conditions in which the person loses touch with reality - hearing voices, seeing things etc. Everything else, especially vague things like personality disorders (ADHD, Asperger's, Borderline) are not based on solid evidence. Psychology itself is overwhelmingly leftist-run, so they would come after HBDers and conservatives first.

"Adam’s mother took him out of high school, and then Adam disappeared from society and never attended any formal education or worked at a job. Apparently, she didn't think he was capable of leading a normal life..."

Like has been pointed out, the mother here sounds pretty crazy herself. That and the fact the kid had no outside contact to counteract her influence mad him crazy.

"I'm not sure if it was a disaster on the whole. Most criminally insane people simply wound up in prison instead of a mental institution."

Of course this is a disaster, since by definition insane people have to COMMIT A CRIME to get sent to prison, which means they inflicted harm on someone innocent. A non-disastrous policy institutionalizes the nutcases BEFORE they commit a crime.

Also, the morality of putting crazy people in prison with evil scum is questionable.

HS,

There is an HBD angle here. It may be that autism prevalence has indicated as a result of assortive mating, which is especially true among the elites.

A theory put forth by Simon Baron Cohen,

The "extreme male brain theory" of autism views autism as an extreme version of male-female differences regarding "systemizing" and empathizing abilities. Evolutionary psychological explanations for these sex differences include that moderate systemizing would be helpful for male dominated activities such as hunting while empathizing would be similarly helpful in female dominated activities such as caring for children. However, extreme systemizing in combination with low empathizing would lead to autism. One explanation for the increased prevalence of autism may be increased assortative mating between high systemizers.[116]

we can learn a lot from other industrialized nations. In the meantime, let us continue in our arrogant and clueless American bubble of babble. America is a baskecase. Plain and simple. Trying to "fix" America is like trying to "fix" a mentally deranged person who is beyond hope, like Adam Lanza or Ted Kaczinsky.

This Cho shooter from a few years back there was more to it. A psychiatrist from the pentagon got to him. And this is quite common in the school shootings.

"I agree with you in principle (that we should lock up crazy people) but in reality, given who is actually in charge of determining whom is or is not crazy, this is a very bad idea. We are better off with more nutjobs on the loose than with basically anyone the leftists don't like locked up."

Amen, brother, amen...

The gun nuts pushing for the return of institutionalization don't realize (and it cracks me up) that they would be the FIRST actually interned if it were to return.

Survivalist nutjobs and Montana WNs don't realize that for most psychiatrists in exercise, they suffer from at least a couple of neuroses and dysfunctions.


ardes is right. Far-rightists who believe psychiatry is their friend (notably in insisting on racial differences in intelligence) are gravely mistaken. Psychiatry is very much rooted on the left, and if given such power, most psychiatrists would not hesitate before committing Tea-partiers and co.

The level of popular ignorance on the history and theory of psychiatry in rightist spheres never ceases to amaze me. Have they already forgotten about the USSR? Possibly: it's already been a long time.

Interesting theories ...

Being a prole goth kid seems like a leading indicator of engaging in a school shooting.

[HS: But the Lanzas aren't prole. The dad is a VP of tax at GE.]

"That’s pretty strange; there must have been something very dysfunctional going on for Ryan to have completely turned his back on his family."

Or maybe it was the other way around. The only times I've heard of a guy paying more alimony than required by the courts is when there was another woman involved and she is subpoenaed to testify in the divorce proceedings. Then the guy signs anything to keep the dirty laundry under wraps. If this is the case it would explain the no contact between the two sides of the family. Maybe the older brother chose to stay involved with the dad and the girlfriend, so the mom and the younger brother went no contact.

As far as his gun application he doesn't appear to have had any valid identification (he was carrying his brother's ID) so maybe that's why he was rejected. Unless he spent time in a psych ward I don't think mental illness precludes a person from gun ownership. Not sure on this though...

"They say that we'll figure these details out in due time, but as you point out, what do we know about Jared Loughner's family history or that of James Holmes?"

"Columbine" is a great book. It came out in 2009, 10 years after the killings, so maybe that's the time scale.

Sounds like the males in the family turned their back on Adam. (Btw, some speculation that "Adam Lanza" is an Italian Jewish name). They definitely should have figured out some way to help this kid. There is no way he should have lived in the Bates motel with him mother.

James Holmes – Aurora shooting – his dad was to testify in the Libor scandal.

Adam Lanza – Connecticut shooting – his dad is the tax auditor for General Electric – and his dad is to testify in the Libor scandal.

Now that is some weird coincidence!

It's worth keeping in mind that class is only of limited utility in trying to explain behavior. Sure, people socialize to assimilate to the values of their social class (and the degree that they actually do this is somewhat unclear), but quite often, especially of late, class is about wealth. The classes themselves are not at all monolithic, and contain a range of personality types. Once again, this is basic HBD.

What evidence is there that Lanza was a "Goth"? I've seen no pictures of him in Goth get up, he is described in most reports as someone who dressed "too formally." Goths tend to have friends within their little clique too (like the Columbine kids), Lanza didn't even have that. I think the Goth quote either came from a high-school kid who has no idea what Goth subculture is or is a sensationalist quote some journalist made up.


Survivalist nutjobs and Montana WNs don't realize that for most psychiatrists in exercise, they suffer from at least a couple of neuroses and dysfunctions.


Posted by: Alex | December 17, 2012 at 07:33 AM


erm, uh, psychiatrists in practice (?)


It's coming out that Nancy Lanza was not a teacher at Sandy Hook Elementary.

This means the theory that Adam lashed out at the school kids out of some kind of jealousy against her job goes completely out the window.

Man, this is getting weird. What POSSIBLY could be the motive now?? Why an elementary school??

" erm, uh, psychiatrists in practice (?)"

Thank you not too late for correcting me, as I've said I'm European and still have some trouble with English expressions.

"It's coming out that Nancy Lanza was not a teacher at Sandy Hook Elementary.

This means the theory that Adam lashed out at the school kids out of some kind of jealousy against her job goes completely out the window.

Man, this is getting weird. What POSSIBLY could be the motive now?? Why an elementary school??"

Maybe he was teased by his classmates when he was a little boy and thus wants revenge on elementary school kids.

Nancy & Peter Lanza had joint custody of Adam.

Regarding Adam's IQ level, I concede that he probably wasn't low IQ. But very bright? I doubt that highly.

He was taken out of high school by his crazy mother. More evidence that both were crazy than he was bored & unchallenged. Went to a local state college. This was "not unique" according to article.

"Lanza took courses in computer science, such as website design, the computer language called BASIC, and data modeling, as well as in philosophy, American history and economics.

Not difficult classes. Got 3.26 GPA.

This is the only objective evidence of his IQ level. I say it was about 110. Not low. But not high. If he had aced his classes, as James Holmes appeared to have (at a non-elite college), I'd say he was very bright, as Holmes was.

@LeSocialCritique

A certain William Ayers advocated a series of gruesome attacks against elementary school children in order to advance a radical left wing agenda. He was kicked out of SDS for suggesting this, and went on to form the Weather Underground and commit numerous acts of terrorism. Eventually, he cleaned up his act and became a close friend to Valarie Jarrett, who would of course go on to be President of the United States.

" Eventually, he cleaned up his act and became a close friend to Valarie Jarrett, who would of course go on to be President of the United States."

Why does everyone hate valarie jarett so much? Never seen such an invisible person receive so much hatred and be the victim of so many false rumors. I think it's because she was born in Iran so pro-Israel types fear her and convince others to do the same. I find her annoying because she calls herself black but looks East Asian and is constantly gushing about Obama being way too smart for every job he ever had and thus being bored

Holmes is the only one of these shooters who didn't manage to off himself. Maybe we can learn something from him. Here's more on Seung Hui Cho :

http://www.governor.virginia.gov/tempcontent/techPanelReport-docs/8%20CHAPTER%20IV%20LIFE%20AND%20MENTAL%20HEALTH%20HISTORY%20OF%20CHOpdf.pdf

"Being a prole goth kid seems like a leading indicator of engaging in a school shooting. "

Adam Lanza was definitely NOT a goth. He did not wear black, he wore buttoned up over-sized formal shirts. Sounds more like a socially awkward "nerd" than a goth. There is also no evidence he listened to heavy metal music or anything like that. The media and public just loves to beat the dead horse of gothic kids.

A friend of Nancy Lanza says her son "was very nonviolent" and adopted an organic vegan lifestyle . . . because he did not want to be the cause of animal suffering":

http://www.salon.com/2012/12/17/adam_lanza_was_a_vegan/

The Salon writer calls it a small detail, but I'm not so sure.

How early did he make this choice? If he was still very young at the time, it could explain both his transformation from a healthy, sweet-looking child to an uncommonly gaunt young adult, as well as his apparent susceptibility to mental disorder, which vegetarians and vegans are more likely than the general population to experience ( http://evolutionarypsychiatry.blogspot.com/2012/06/youre-vegetarian-have-you-lost-your.html ). The correlation alone does not prove anything, of course, but it's worth noting that interventions with substances that abound only in animal foods reduce symptoms of psychiatric disorders. Meat, for instance, is a rich source of cysteine, and recent studies have shown the supplement N-acetyl-cysteine to be effective at reducing episodes in autism (PMID: 22342106) and schizophrenia, among other conditions (PMCID: PMC3044191).

If what Nancy Lanza's friend says about her son is true, you have to wonder whether animal rights propaganda worked together with his potentially diet-exacerbated mental issues to push him over the edge. If each of us is responsible for hundreds or thousands of animal deaths per year simply by virtue of existing, Lanza might have seen taking out as many young children (consumers and future parents with decades of life ahead of them) as possible as a way to reduce suffering: a good thing for the world, or at least not any more evil than the "eternal Treblinka" in which the rest of us, the dogma has it, are complicit.

People hate Valerie Jarrett because she's the typical Angry Black Woman who HATES HATES HATES White guys and is the usual picture of Blackness: toxic levels of self-esteem, manifest incompetence at everything, combined with not the slightest fear of failure. Jarrett is the "Shadow President," the one who makes the day to day decisions and really runs the weak, effeminate Barack Obama. So that's why she's hated.

As for Lanza, my view is institutionalizing crazy people with safeguards to avoid Soviet Style abuse (and the Right should make an issue that they will lock up Liberals like crazy in places where THEY have local control -- mutual assured destruction aka Cold War Deterrence politically) is the way to go.

Most of the homeless, and the costs associated with them, street crime, degradation, urban decay, etc. are crazy people who need to be locked up. Its much more than random killings by crazy White and Asian guys. Its the crazy Black men and women too who randomly kill middle class Whites and Asians. Just not in mass numbers.

@Linda: The motivation would obviously seem to be simple ante-upping. Simple rampages against adults no longer warrant long-term fame. (Does anyone remember the name of the guy who did the Sikh temple massacre?) But killing young children separates you from the common-herd spree-killer. Also, since spree-killing small children seemed beyond the pale, defenses were down and it was a soft target.

My opinion schizoid & psychopathy (obviously). I think it's such a bad idea for the media to NOT mention the information regarding these mass killer's mentality. It's probably because networks are paid inflated amounts of money from game commercials. No. Not all gamers are killers. But imagine an introverted psychotic brewing with testosterone? The rush they must feel. And on top of all the hours they spend gaming? Health practitioners should evolve and include gaming addiction in psychosocial evaluations. But is it not hypocritical? Any day of the month I can easily find a show about some serial killer on TV. I think - educating people (neighbors, family members, teachers, and general run-of-the mill individuals) on warning signs. And open your eyes & seek help if an individual who all ready has antisocial behaviors and is spending a ridiculous amount of time in front of a screen.

[HS: To the contrary, I think that videogames pacify people. People like that should just be left to play videogames and we shouldn't push them outside their comfort zone.]

If all of these shootings are done by loners, then maybe it's the atomism of US society that's at fault. I would guess the Lanza's didn't go to church or synagogue. Adam didn't play sports or join clubs. Family probably didn't know the neighbors. There was no male influence to draw him out other than his father (a Spock like accountant) or his brother (who hasn't spoken to him in years). There was no extended family. He was locked ever tigher into a relationship with his mother. If he had lived in a small town, he would've had regular interactions with people outside his family who knew him and wouldn't let him get so tightly introverted.

I can tell the difference from my own experience of growing up on small military bases and then coming back and living in the US. A society of people living in detached houses and watching televisions will ultimately drive some people crazy.

[HS: But they DID sort of live in a small town. Or at least the outskirts of the very small "city" of Danbury. And Adam WAS in a tech club at high school; apparently it didn't work out.]

I would like to mention that I'm a 30 year old high functioning autistic (HFA) with a masters degree in Computer Engineering. HFA is the same as Asperger's with the slight difference that there is a speech delay during the early years, whereas Asperger's has none. I've found your past comments about Asperger's insightful. I would like to contribute my two cents as I think I could get more inside the shooter's mind than anyone else.

First I would like to mention that much like Adam, high school was hell for me. Part of the problem was that I could not relate to anybody, even the nerds. You were right on before in mentioning that nerds and aspies are not the same, although they share common characteristics. To many aspies, people seem to reject them out of hand with no explanation.

It seems to be that either because of our awkwardness, different posture, or different way of talking in monologues on our pet subjects. It's the little things in accumulation that seem to work against us. Girls are better at picking up at social cues, that's why most women at my high school could take one look at me and look instantly annoyed.

It's also related to our supposed remoteness. Contrary to some opinion, aspies do want to socialize, but not to the degree most people want. I'm fine socializing as long as I have plenty of down time to devote to my special interests. I would always sleep a good two hours after school because all the people and activity had overstimulated me so much that I needed time to recover. I've had plenty of instances of making friends only to lose them later because I wouldn't "hang-out" in a normal pace with them. Either I wanted alone time to do math or computer programming, or I would get so clingy with them (I tended to have 1-2 close friends I would hang out with all the time) that they would draw back.

If anything, I'd say the nerds were bigger persecutors of me than jocks. While there were some jerks among them, some number actually seemed to like me and take sort of a protective attitude against me. As far I can think, the nerds were people who had been persecuted themselves, but able to form a group of their special interest. Because I couldn't easily integrate into groups, my attempts to socialize with most nerds ended in failure as I stood out and seemed to be a good outlet for them to take their frustrations out on.

Because many of us are bright, above-average IQ individuals, we expect to be recognized for our genius by the school at large, but because of our remoteness, we don't seem to get any recognition at all. I fully expected to get all sorts of math and computer programming awards, then would be nearly brought to tears when I wouldn't get such a reward at all. It seemed in my mind almost a conspiracy against me. I'm sure Adam Lanza must have had the same sort of feelings.

I was lucky because my parents were pushing me constantly to socialize despite my negative experiences and were pushing me to persist in school. They felt I needed to adjust to normal society no matter what the costs. Today, I can be more ease at society thanks to that persistence. I hang out in Asperger's support groups in NYC and I can tell you, those aspies who were sheltered by there families have come out more the worse (no stable job, forced to live at home, etc.) Adam's mom made a big mistake in withdrawing him from school and society. Aspies tend to obsess with the same thoughts and if Adam was stewing over his past abuse, it may have given him something of the equivalent of PTSD.

But Asperger's by itself wouldn't cause him to massacre people. Most psychologists will tell you we're not violent by nature unless intensely provoked, and then only against our aggressors. I can tell you that I would immensely mad against my bullies, but could calm down after devoting myself to playing video games and shifting my intense focus from my abuse to trying to win in Sonic the Hedgehog.

I think he must have been on medication to treat his depression and must have suffered a bad reaction. I know one aspie in my group who went on an experimental anti-depressant through Medicaid. He seemed fine until he suffered a traumatic incident when he felt a member in our group "betrayed" him. He immediately started suffering psychosis and had to be hospitalized on and off. It got so bad that he has to take half a dozen of medication, one of them being Haldol to control his psychosis. He's now left with permanent shaking of his hands. I would not be surprised if Adam was stewing at the unfairness of being recognized and was on some sort of medication. It would have only taken some sort of incident, possibly an argument with his mother or the perception of being slighted by someone to suffer a reaction and go off the deep end.

Dear HalfSigma:
What is the basis of your semi-statement
"[...] Adam Lanza had [...] high IQ" ?
Your respectfully F.r.

As someone might have already mentioned(I didn't read through all of the comments), Adam's brother, Ryan, went to Quinnipiac University. I'm originally from Fairfield county and Quinnipiac is considered to be a loser college. Perhaps a step above community college but nothing beyond that. I only know one white person who went there and she is far from "highly intelligent." Ryan is absolutely no genius, especially if Daddy has money to pay for competitive private colleges.

I would therefore assume the Lanza's were nothing exceptional intellectually for a white south western connecticut family. No Ivys, no Smiths, no UCLAs or whatever. Adam's anti-social personality is what sets him apart, not necessarily his intelligence.

To Helen | December 19, 2012 at 11:22 PM
I agree; that is my suspicion also.
Your F.r.

"I hang out in Asperger's support groups in NYC and I can tell you, those aspies who were sheltered by there families have come out more the worse (no stable job, forced to live at home, etc.) Adam's mom made a big mistake in withdrawing him from school and society."

This is chicken-egg. It's likely the more sheltered HFAs are the more impaired ones (even if subtly) and the ones who can be "forced" to socialize are less impaired.

You are able to hang out-- because you can. It might be a stretch and it might be uncomfortable, but you can. Not all are so high functioning.

Helen, maybe Quinnipiac made Ryan a great offer and Mr. Lanza urged or demanded that he accept. As Half Sigma said of the father of James Holmes (B.S., UC Riverside), you "would think a guy with a decent white-collar background like that would be less clueless about his son's choice of college", but the UMass Lowell graduate has done so well for himself over the years that Ryan's college choice might not have struck him as particularly important. Might as well save some money.

As others have mentioned, Adam Lanza was taking college courses at 16. Maybe he was trying to follow in his older brother's footsteps. After all, the 24-year-old is said to have gone to work for Ernst & Young after graduating and to have been there for four years.

JayNE, Adam's GPA could have been dragged down by a D he took in German, probably the least g-loaded of his courses, and one in which participation might have constituted a significant chunk of the grade. The GPA might more reflect an unwillingness or inability on his part to step outside his comfort zone than it does his smarts, however much they were.

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