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December 17, 2012

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*Psychiatry is a pseudoscience
*Psychiatrists are usually crazier than their patients.
*Psychiatric drugs rarely work.

Diagnoses of ADHD and autism have increased by > 10 fold in the last 20 y. Children don't know what's going on, and their parents are idiots.

As I said in a previous comment, this all about sexual revenge:

"Didn't Whiskey predict that the Chinese phenomenon of outcast males killing other people's children would soon manifest here?

This is what everyone is missing. For an omega male who feels conned out of his chance to continue his genetic line, killing the kids of reproductively successful males is the ultimate revenge. It also strikes a blow against the bitches who sexually rejected you.

On the same day, a man slashed about 22 children in China.

This isn't about autism, gothism or any other ism, this is about sexual revenge.

To paraphrase, you may not be interested in omegas, but omegas are certainly interested in you (and your progeny)."

I read that there's a connection between this phenomena and family background of schizophrenia.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8085127

I have maintained since day 1 this kid was in the throes of a psychotic episode due to schiz. The age is right, the pic of him is illustrative of it, the reports of him "staring at passersby," the reports of his being an odd kid when younger (lots and lots of people who wind up with schiz--diagnosed, unfortunatlely, only after their first psychotic episode--were "weird" kids) are all indicators.

The parents had money. I would bet Adam had had many sessions with a psychologist and psychiatrist. I would also guess that the mother lost control of him as he aged and that he would no longer visit his doctors, etc. She and her husband most likely knew exactly what was wrong with him, but the damn laws of the country make it almost impossible to incarcerate and/or institutionalize someone like this unless they have already committed a crime.

Another link about the correlation between schiz and insensitivity to physical pain:

http://speapsl.aphp.fr/publications/2009/2009-7.pdf

"This isn't about autism, gothism or any other ism, this is about sexual revenge."

So, when sex is unavailable, males evolved a tendency to kill other people's children and then kill themselves? How does that make any sense?

"Beta male rage" is supposed to be a modern condition. This freak was so deranged he couldn't function. He's not a typical beta, or even omega, male. I couldn't imagine him having a good chance of continuing his lineage in any society.

"This isn't about autism, gothism or any other ism, this is about sexual revenge."

This is an incredibly self-congratulatory take in my view. Yeah, yeah we've all read roissy, we all know the basics of evo-psych, we all know the extent to which these ancient eternal forces shape society and events. Mass killings, however, are extraordinary, this one especially so, and they ought to be considered as the exceptions to the rule that they are.

Everything we've been told about Adam Lanza so far would suggest he was profoundly troubled. On top of that, he lived in total isolation with a troubled mother. It's not the story of a sexless loser who just can't take it anymore. Based on everything we've heard about Lanza, it seems like he wouldn't have been able to handle a girl presenting herself to him in anyway.

I think we can also definitely say this about Jared Loughner. The kid was profoundly disconnected from reality--not simply a case of sexless rage.

James Holmes, I'll concede may have been large part beta rage. There are even news stories suggesting he visited prostitutes leading up to his killing, a sure sign of the link between his sex life and his decision to kill.

In short, I think you have to address these cases one by one. They don't all have the same explanation.

Also, regarding congenital analgesia--everything I've read about autism/asperger's suggests that those who suffer from it very commonly have an oversensitivity or undersensitivity to pain and other tactile sensations. Given that congenital analgesia is just so rare, it seems pretty unlikely he had this; more likely that his sense of touch was affected to some degree by his autism/asperger's.

"So, when sex is unavailable, males evolved a tendency to kill other people's children and then kill themselves? How does that make any sense?" - HAR


In past eras there were berserkers who'd mercilessly slaughter anyone in their path. That was probably the beta male rage of it's time. Women were also raped and taken as wives from this.


"Beta male rage" is supposed to be a modern condition. This freak was so deranged he couldn't function. He's not a typical beta, or even omega, male. I couldn't imagine him having a good chance of continuing his lineage in any society. " - HAR


It's not a modern condition. Violence is ubiquitous in societies where mating isn't guaranteed (Africa/Asia/the ghetto/barrio). Time, energy, and effort that could go towards scientific pursuits is instead wasted on out brutalizing rivals for power.

This Lanza kid was an honor student and upper middle class. How much more normal can you get? Sure he was a friendless dweeb but unable to function? Hardly. Conventional answers aren't cutting it. Nothing makes sense except beta male rage.

JM,

As if there were such a thing as autism/ass burgers.

All of you are wrong. This is just voices in the head telling him it's the destiny of the universe.

He saw the Batman movie and watched it enough times to probably memorize it. I know this because beta and omega males read comic books and watch comic book movies obsessively.

He discovered the Sandy Hook reference in the movie, http://www.imgbox.de/users/Deckard666/Sonstiges/The_Dark_Knight_Rises___Sandy_Hook_1.jpg

He conflated the unusual coincidence to directive from god. Took the Aurora shooting as his template and went to work.

This has nothing to do with sex, revenge, omega rage, just the Abraham complex without an angel to tell him to stop.

Of course, we're coming up on the 20th anniversary of Waco where the federal government decided tanks were an appropriate tool to use against a group of people surrounded by state and federal officials. That ultimately led to 21 children being burned to death. I think the not mentally ill people in charge of that were all promoted.

"In past eras there were berserkers who'd mercilessly slaughter anyone in their path. That was probably the beta male rage of it's time. Women were also raped and taken as wives from this."

Going on a rampage with an expected payoff in the form of forced copulation makes evolutionary sense. Killing random kids on a suicide mission does not.

Assuming that people like Holmes and Lanza could have held down a job and made a decent living, they could have easily eventually gotten a mail order bride. For a normal man with bad social skills, the sexual situation is not as bad as some of the people here would like to make it. But I'm guessing that that option wouldn't have been open to a guy like Lanza. If you're the kind of guy who will kill a room full of first graders, I think most women would probably rather stay in a third world country than go home with you.

"This Lanza kid was an honor student and upper middle class. How much more normal can you get? Sure he was a friendless dweeb but unable to function? Hardly. Conventional answers aren't cutting it. Nothing makes sense except beta male rage."

The conventional answer that works is that these people nurse an abnormal combination of hatred, paranoia, and bad social skills, and have access to dangerous weapons.

You think Lanza was about as normal as one can get because he got decent grades at some point. But there was never a society or a time where social skills and the ability to control one's emotions were irrelevant to one's place or ability to find a mate. People described Lanze as needy and weird. They said they were not surprised when they heard that he shot up an elementary school. Obviously, he was way outside the norm even for a beta or omega.

And the greatest piece of evidence that he was outside the norm and weird comes from the fact that he killed a bunch of innocent kids at point blank range.

The theory of "beta male rage" theory tries to find a general trend from the actions of people who are five standard deviations below the mean in character and social ability. People then say "if it wasn't for that damn feminism, these guys would've been all right." But people this screwed up are going to be the dregs of society no matter what.

It's ironic that the posters on these kinds of blogs have no problem blaming black crime on genetics and laugh at liberal explanations of discrimination, but believe every white male with a decent IQ, no matter how unusually sick and twisted, would've turned out ok if it wasn't for sexual freedom.

"In past eras there were berserkers who'd mercilessly slaughter anyone in their path. That was probably the beta male rage of it's time. Women were also raped and taken as wives from this".

How do you explain Genghis Khan's or any other great conqueror's sexual conquest? Beta or Alpha?

@HAR:

"It's ironic that the posters on these kinds of blogs have no problem blaming black crime on genetics and laugh at liberal explanations of discrimination, but believe every white male with a decent IQ, no matter how unusually sick and twisted, would've turned out ok if it wasn't for sexual freedom."

Well said.

HAR/aka JayMan: "It's ironic that the posters on these kinds of blogs have no problem blaming black crime on genetics and laugh at liberal explanations of discrimination, but believe every white male with a decent IQ, no matter how unusually sick and twisted, would've turned out ok if it wasn't for sexual freedom."

Strawman. No one worth his logic chops blames black crime solely on genetics. Blacks can become more or less criminal within their range of higher propensity to criminality in response to cultural pressures, like fatherlessness.

Similarly, omega or lesser beta males with mental conditions, like Adam Lanza, can be pushed closer or further from violent rupture by family and cultural forces larger than he can comprehend.

"Similarly, omega or lesser beta males with mental conditions, like Adam Lanza, can be pushed closer or further from violent rupture by family and cultural forces larger than he can comprehend."

Probably, but there needs to be more than one or two mass shootings a year in a country of 300 million before I conclude that there is any kind of trend that needs to be explained by social forces. In a large enough population, a few are going to be really sick and twisted. Thanks to American gun laws, they can do a lot more damage than weirdos can do in other societies. Big population with normal human variation + freely available guns = occasional tragedies. It might still be worth it to have libertarian gun laws, but this is an inevitable cost.

CH, I enjoy your work and with all the real evil that feminism's done, there's no need to convict it of crimes it's not responsible for. With so few shootings, any increase over time can be explained by statistical noise, greater availability of dangerous weapons, and population growth. But it doesn't even appear that there's been an increase. In fact, the opposite has happened. Sorry, female hypergamy, birth control, and absent father are not going to cause us all to be slaughtered by hordes of betas. As for medication, I'd bet it helps more crazies than it provokes.

"Grant Duwe, a criminologist with the Minnesota Department of Corrections who has written a history of mass murders in America, said that while mass shootings rose between the 1960s and the 1990s, they actually dropped in the 2000s. And mass killings actually reached their peak in 1929, according to his data. He estimates that there were 32 in the 1980s, 42 in the 1990s and 26 in the first decade of the century."

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/rise-mass-killings-impact-huge-article-1.1221062#ixzz2FQXIwbJ5

"Probably, but there needs to be more than one or two mass shootings a year in a country of 300 million before I conclude that there is any kind of trend that needs to be explained by social forces."

Violent rupture is just the most extreme manifestation of omega/lesser beta rage against the machine. So we are unlikely to see much more than a few isolated incidents of mass shootings over the years, though the trend may tick slightly upward when compared over centuries, and controlled for the overall crime rate.

The real problem, from a societal view, is the lesser psychological schisms that omega/lesser beta males will experience under the combined pressures of feminism, feminization, alpha cock carouseling aided birth control and abortion, single moms, and divorce which banishes fathers from their families. Mass shootings are canaries in the coal mine; they indicate something deeply wrong with the culture, a social breakdown that is leaving marginal dudes stranded with their own distraught and psychopathic thoughts. It doesn't help that a lot of these shooters have mental or physiological conditions which go either untreated or mistreated by a thoroughly feminized psychiatric discipline.

"And the greatest piece of evidence that he was outside the norm and weird comes from the fact that he killed a bunch of innocent kids at point blank range....but there needs to be more than one or two mass shootings a year in a country of 300 million before I conclude that there is any kind of trend that needs to be explained by social forces." - HAR


These violent trends are already underway in China which has a hellish male to female ratio some sources putting it at 4 to 1. Elementary school attacks have been going on for a while now.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012/12/15/china-stabbing-school.html

http://www.courant.com/news/connecticut/newtown-sandy-hook-school-shooting/hc-newtown-sandy-hook-school-shooting-20121214,0,6861962.story

They are looking into the genetic issues. I don't necessarily agree with your guesses here, HS, but I applaud your effort to focus on this. It's important. Don't let it drop.

I'm not convinced Lanza was autistic. Autistics are dysfunctional but they're not crazy. That's not what autism is. But Lanza was crazy. I have no idea what kind of crazy and I don't think anyone else did either. If his mother had any idea then she wouldn't have left those guns laying around would she? Sometimes people are just crazy and there's no name for it. People can look for labels to slap on him and explanations for why he did it but there aren't any. I don't even think he would know why he did it. Maybe he was so screwed up he didn't know what else to do. I think the same about James Holmes, too. But not Jared Loughner. He was schizophrenic and got mad when Sen Gifford said something that violated one of his crazy ideas. He was crazy, too, but you can see his motive.

Maybe Lanza read Half Sigma's blog post a while back and joined the cult of Zardoz. The cult of Zardoz is a radical feminist and environmentalist cult that uses the gun to purify the earth. It makes as much sense as any other explanation I've heard.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOROvO2fxTc

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